Hill starts?

[Swivel]

Any advice on hill starts, I try to avoid them when I can, sometimes I do ok, other times I stall then get it right the 2nd attempt, bloody shamful when a car is behind you.

[Berries]

Don't pick both feet up until you have forward momentum.



Otherwise just make your second attempt first et voila.

[swbarnett]

Sounds to me like your revs aren't high enough when you let the clutch out. Either that or you're letting the clutch out too fast or keeping your foot on the brake too long.

Don't worry too much. It will come with time and practice. Find yourself a quiet street on a bit of an angle and practice. Once you've mastered that one try something steeper.

[biketimus_prime]

I'm just starting to ride but I pride myself on hill starts, never stalled on one yet!

You first need to understand where your clutch engages and disengages. So get to an empty carpark or something and practice moving off easily and getting a feel for the clutch where it bites and how much you can let it on before the bike almost dies etc. Have a play around.

The main thing to hill starts is that it's more complicated in your head than it is actually doing it. So you need to actually practice them, not just read about it.
To make things as easy as possible to begin with when on a hill. Put your bike in first gear, clutch in and foot on the rear brake pedal. Just like you would on a flat. However, don't press the brake pedal down hard, do it so it's just enough to hold you on the hill.

To begin with, increase your RPM a bit, then ease the clutch out SLOWLY. Let it slip and as the bike dies, increase RPM. If you have the clutch engagement right with RPMs, you'll feel the bike wants to move forward. That's when you let go of the brake pedal. If you have your foot on the pedal just enough to hold you on the hill, it'll want to move forward more easier and be less prone to stalling than if you had your foot hard on the pedal.

Practice first on a flat with your foot on the brake pedal and getting used to letting the clutch out and having the bike want to go forwards.
Honestly it's really straightforward once you do a couple. Then move on to a small slope. The rest is all clutch and RPM work. You need to get a good feel for your clutch.

[p.dath]

Any advice on hill starts, I try to avoid them when I can, sometimes I do ok, other times I stall then get it right the 2nd attempt, bloody shamful when a car is behind you.

Crack the throttle a little until it just starts to rev a bit. Then start letting out the clutch until you just feel it start to bite. Pause. At this stage the engine will now hold the bike without it rolling backwards. Getting the right amount of initial revs is a skill learned by experience. You can start to let the brake off, and continue to let the clutch out gently the rest of the way and gently roll on more throttle.

[SMOKEU]

If you can do a hillstart on a manual car, then it's the same concept on a bike. Except that instead of releasing the handbrake you're releasing the rear brake, but otherwise timing the clutch, throttle and brake is pretty much the same.

[strandedinnz]

Sounds like you need to practice clutch control a bit more .. find an empty car park and ride around slowly using only the idle revs and the clutch (hands off the twisty thing on the right!) till you get comfy with where the clutch starts to bite and how the engine feels, then when you are a guru at that find a hill and repeat ... should all be covered in the motorcycling 101 course you did when you got the bike ?

[gjm]

As others have said, it's just practice. Balancing clutch modulation against revs - too much or too little of either and you can have problems.

Practice pulling away on the flat. Engine running, closed throttle, hold the brake, ever-so-gently ease the clutch out and feel where it 'bites'. You should be able to do this, and with care pull away, with no throttle at all.

Once you have that sorted - it won't take long! - try pulling away a little faster by using a little throttle. Again, you'll quickly get used to it.

Then think of a hill start as being a slower version of a faster flat start. Same principle, only you'll more often need a few revs to get moving without bogging down or stalling.

Practice, practice, practice. :)

[Tazz]

Go for a ride towards Raglan (nice wee blat) and spend an afternoon/day practicing. Nothing beats experience and you'll have it nailed in no time.

[matrox02]

I must say that hill starts are a bit of a nightmare on my dr650, that one hill by doubtless bay nearly had me on my arse, doesnt help that the bike has been lowered and im still too short for it

[Big Dog]

I must say that hill starts are a bit of a nightmare on my dr650, that one hill by doubtless bay nearly had me on my arse, doesnt help that the bike has been lowered and im still too short for it

If have thought the thumper was an easy hill start. Unless you mean near vertical with limited traction a dr650 should be a doddle.


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[Akzle]

get it right the 2nd attempt, bloody shamful when a car is behind you.

do your second attempt first, then.

and never mind shame. you're on a fucking bike, they're in a car, they can fucking wait.

[PrincessBandit]

Must admit I rarely use the foot brake when doing a hill start, the bandit is pretty easy to feel that bite and I'm able to control it completely from my right hand brake/throttle. Some time ago I did a low speed handling course and the instructor had me do hill starts on West Hoe rd in Orewa. Even then she made me do them using my foot just to show her I could. Having said that I avoid having to do them on surfaces that provide minimal traction...

I remember practicing on the ginny on the mild slope of our driveway - just sitting there going through the repetitive process of synchronising my throttle and clutch. Stalling the ginny was a pain as it tended to lurch :eek: at least the bandit just cuts out without jumping or twitching! Like anything it just takes practice and every bike will feel slightly different so if you're on someone else's bike you can't assume it will feel exactly the same as your own bike.

[Banditbandit]

Except that instead of releasing the handbrake you're releasing the rear brake, but otherwise timing the clutch, throttle and brake is pretty much the same.

I never use the rear brake for a hill start ... LATE RIDER . if that's what you are doing then practice using the front brake only - its much easier ...


Must admit I rarely use the foot brake when doing a hill start, the bandit is pretty easy to feel that bite and I'm able to control it completely from my right hand brake/throttle. Some time ago I did a low speed handling course and the instructor had me do hill starts on West Hoe rd in Orewa. Even then she made me do them using my foot just to show her I could. Having said that I avoid having to do them on surfaces that provide minimal traction...

I remember practicing on the ginny on the mild slope of our driveway - just sitting there going through the repetitive process of synchronising my throttle and clutch. Stalling the ginny was a pain as it tended to lurch :eek: at least the bandit just cuts out without jumping or twitching! Like anything it just takes practice and every bike will feel slightly different so if you're on someone else's bike you can't assume it will feel exactly the same as your own bike.

Like teacher says - but if you use the front brake, you already know how to co-ordinate the clutch and throttle - the new skill is knowing when to release the front brake and use the throttle with the same hand ..

[SNF]

Find yourself a quiet road with a gentle slope. I had to learn hillstarts from day 1, every road where I live has them. So what I did was on a slope when nothing was around, I stopped. Foot on rear brake. Brought the revs up, held them steady - 2-3000 rpm, 4+ if its a steep one. Hold throttle steady, slowly let the clutch out. Repeat til you can do it without worrying. Be patient it will come. When you can do a gentle slope, find steeper ones.

Add in the front brake as well when you feel comfortable. I can use both. You may even find the front brake easier than the rear and also there will be times when you have to use the front brake when taking off

[SMOKEU]

I never use the rear brake for a hill start ... LATE RIDER . if that's what you are doing then practice using the front brake only - its much easier ...


I've never even thought about doing hill starts with the front brake, I always thought the rear brake was "the" way of doing it. I'll try the front brake method at some stage.

[Big Dog]

I never use the rear brake for a hill start ... LATE RIDER . if that's what you are doing then practice using the front brake only - its much easier ...



Like teacher says - but if you use the front brake, you already know how to co-ordinate the clutch and throttle - the new skill is knowing when to release the front brake and use the throttle with the same hand ..

The knack to that is to only use your thumb to roll the throttle on.
Practice using your thumb independently of the brake with the engine off first. Then add the clutch. When confident that all of this is now independent start the engine. Try it on the flat in the open.
Curbs in quiet empty car parks are great for practicing hill starts without the threat of being on a real hill in real traffic.
I also recommend when you can competently do them on a steep hill trying them in gravel before you have to.


I don't think front is easier than back but when the road slopes to the right and your turning left you'll be grateful for the choice. If you find yourself in less than desire able traction you'll be grateful for learning to use the back.


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[sil3nt]

Why would you want to juggle front brake and throttle?

Rear brake is there and your foot isn't doing anything so you might as well use it.

Rear brake + take off as normal releasing rear brake when you feel clutch biting

100x easier than hill start in a car.

[bogan]

Do some of you have tiny hands, slow throttles, or poorly set brake levers? It's well easy to change both brake pressure and throttle position at the same time with one hand.

It's the same theory as doing a burnout, or are you the type of plebs who don't do burnouts either?

[sil3nt]

Do some of you have tiny hands, slow throttles, or poorly set brake levers? It's well easy to change both brake pressure and throttle position at the same time with one hand.

It's the same theory as doing a burnout, or are you the type of plebs who don't do burnouts either?Smoking is bad for your health.

[Big Dog]

Why would you want to juggle front brake and throttle?

Rear brake is there and your foot isn't doing anything so you might as well use it.

Rear brake + take off as normal releasing rear brake when you feel clutch biting

100x easier than hill start in a car.

Not always practical on uneven ground, especially two up.
Better to have more than one string for your bow.


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[Swivel]

do your second attempt first, then.

and never mind shame. you're on a fucking bike, they're in a car, they can fucking wait.

Nice love the attitude, fuck the cars, one thing I bloody hate is sitting on the speed limit in a 50km zone and a fucken car tail gates.

[Swivel]

[QUOTE=Banditbandit;1130702223]I never use the rear brake for a hill start ... LATE RIDER
. if that's what you are doing then practice using the front brake only - its much easier ...




Yip I had presumed the rear brake was to be used for hill starts and thats what I have been using, thanks everyone for the advice and support, I have now got the nack of rear brake hill starts with the help of all your awesome advice, my new mission is practice the front brake.

[gjm]

It's the same theory as doing a burnout, or are you the type of plebs who don't do burnouts either?

Have you seen the price of 190-section rear tyres lately? <shudder>

[bogan]

Have you seen the price of 190-section rear tyres lately? <shudder>

Exactly, counts out the plebs for the most part; though, when they need replacing is still a good opportunity...

[pritch]

OK so despite the usual conflicting KB advice the OP has hill starts with the back brake sorted.

Now to the front brake; try using just the first two fingers. That'll leave the thumb and two fingers for the throttle. It will also get you used to just using the two fingers which will come in handy later because that's all most modern bikes need.

It will also make things easier in the future, should you wish to learn the correct technique for changing down at the same time as applying the front brakes.

[jasonu]

I heard the IAMS course covers hill starts...<_<

[bogan]

So what is the IAMs way front or back brake?

Both, while standing on your head composing poetry.

[Akzle]

Nice love the attitude, fuck the cars, one thing I bloody hate is sitting on the speed limit in a 50km zone and a fucken car tail gates.

you should always exceed the posted limit. Speed limits are for pussies.

[IkieBikie]

you should always exceed the posted limit. Speed limits are for pussies.

So speed limits are for men??

Real men that is!!

[Big Dog]

When I sat my license (a very long time ago) I was warned before we started I would be failed if I did not use my back brake. I could use the front as well If I wished, but at all lights and the mandatory hill start they had to see me use my foot brake.

Does anyone know if this is still the case?


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[Swivel]

you should always exceed the posted limit. Speed limits are for pussies.

Speed limit is for poor people like me who can't afford to pay fines or lose my license, usually if you go faster the tail gater goes faster, exceeding the speed limit can get you paralised if your lucky, but usually idots like you get killed and give the Government an excuse to raise the rego costs.

[swbarnett]

exceeding the speed limit can get you paralised if your lucky, but usually idots like you get killed and give the Government an excuse to raise the rego costs.
What a load of bollocks. Those two things have absolutely nothing to do with arbitrarily set paranoia filled speed limits. It looks like you, like many others, need physics lessons.

[SNF]

Speed limit is fine. I actually find it relaxing just cruising around at 50. Not as cool as taking corners though. Half the pricks these days think 35 and 40 is the new 50 when its not. And then glare at me/flash lights when I pass them at oh around 50 km/h - ironically!

[Swivel]

You have a false sense of security if you think you will be safe by never going over the speed limit its just less safer generally speaking depending on where and how much you go over it. There are times also when it is very much safer eg if you are overtaking something as the cost of a speeding ticket is a lot cheaper than a head on for not getting past quick enough. I think there is a statistic that more accidents occur under or at the speed limit than over it.

The weeks only started and I see this load of rubbish, you think wrong, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know most fatalities or serious injuries on motorbikes are caused by speed deeeeer. Go and read the stats again properly, better still tell me were you THINK you read these rubbish stats your talking about and share it. False sense of security lolz, so the Police don't write out speeding tickets, and take away licenses anymore.

[pritch]

The weeks only started and I see this load of rubbish, you think wrong, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know most fatalities or serious injuries on motorbikes are caused by speed deeeeer. Go and read the stats again properly, better still tell me were you THINK you read these rubbish stats your talking about and share it.

Oooooh you'll fit right in around here. :whistle:

[Swivel]

Speed limit is fine. I actually find it relaxing just cruising around at 50. Not as cool as taking corners though. Half the pricks these days think 35 and 40 is the new 50 when its not. And then glare at me/flash lights when I pass them at oh around 50 km/h - ironically!

I dont often get that problem in Tok

[swbarnett]

The weeks only started and I see this load of rubbish, you think wrong, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know most fatalities or serious injuries on motorbikes are caused by speed deeeeer. Go and read the stats again properly, better still tell me were you THINK you read these rubbish stats your talking about and share it. False sense of security lolz, so the Police don't write out speeding tickets, and take away licenses anymore.
Boy, you've really fallen for the lies of ACC and NZTA in a big way. You need to learn some physics. Speed cannot cause an injury, otherwise every astronaut would die two minutes after take-off. What causes the injury is the sudden deceleration.

Speed in and of itself cannot even cause an accident. Not riding to the conditions, on the other hand, can.

[bogan]

The weeks only started and I see this load of rubbish, you think wrong, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know most fatalities or serious injuries on motorbikes are caused by speed deeeeer. Go and read the stats again properly, better still tell me were you THINK you read these rubbish stats your talking about and share it. False sense of security lolz, so the Police don't write out speeding tickets, and take away licenses anymore.

Speed or Speeding? there is a difference.

[Swivel]

You have a false sense of security if you think you will be safe by never going over the speed limit its just less safer generally speaking depending on where and how much you go over it. There are times also when it is very much safer eg if you are overtaking something as the cost of a speeding ticket is a lot cheaper than a head on for not getting past quick enough. I think there is a statistic that more accidents occur under or at the speed limit than over it.

False sense in Security, did you not read my full comment, I stated 3 reason, 1st I can't afford to pay fines, 2nd I definately can't afford to lose my license.

[skippa1]

exceeding the speed limit can get you paralised if your lucky.
Two things,

1) if this were true, we would all be paralysed
2) being paralysed is not being "lucky"

Hyosung brain

[Banditbandit]

The weeks only started and I see this load of rubbish, you think wrong, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know most fatalities or serious injuries on motorbikes are caused by speed deeeeer.

No, I'm sorry - as Mr Clarkson repeats on many occasions - speed never killed anyone ...

It's the sudden unexpected stop that does it ..

[Big Dog]

Aka the speed differential between you, object a, when you come into contact with object b.
You can in fact be stationary when struck by something else at 100kmph and have the same result as traveling at 200kmph and panic braking for 1.5 seconds before contact. Or strike something at 4000kmph that is traveling in the same direction that is only doing 3999kmph with negligible effect. Your speed cannot on its own kill you. Your speed differential can.


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[Swivel]

Two things,

1) if this were true, we would all be paralysed
2) being paralysed is not being "lucky"

Hyosung brain

Read my comment again, I stated CAN be not will be

Peanut brain

[Swivel]

Aka the speed differential between you, object a, when you come into contact with object b.
You can in fact be stationary when struck by something else at 100kmph and have the same result as traveling at 200kmph and panic braking for 1.5 seconds before contact. Or strike something at 4000kmph that is traveling in the same direction that is only doing 3999kmph with negligible effect. Your speed cannot on its own kill you. Your speed differential can.


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you have to also realise it's not just the rider on the roads, sometimes other vehicles may not judge the speed correctly and cut infront, because the waiting vehicle never realised the rider was gunning it

[swbarnett]

Read my comment again, I stated CAN be not will be
Then why the "if you're lucky"?

[Big Dog]

you have to also realise it's not just the rider on the roads, sometimes other vehicles may not judge the speed correctly and cut infront, because the waiting vehicle never realised the rider was gunning it

Meaning the differential between the relational speed of yourself and the person who failed to judge your speed is the cause of your stress.

To put that into context: according to NASA if you were at the equator you would be travelling at roughly 1070 kmph relative to the core of the earth due to the rotation of the earth. That speed is unlikely to kill you. Unless it stops or you encounter something travelling at a higher or lower relative speed.

Or more simply: if you leapt with great courage and valour from an aeroplane you would reach you're personal terminal velocity. From memory this is approx 126 kmph. Even in the nude this is unlikely to kill you on its own.
If you're high enough you may freeze to death.
You could hit the ground.
You could hit something else.
Something else hits you.

Until you change your pace you have little fear of harm.
If you stop gradually ( such as a parachute ) you will probably land safely.
If your deceleration ( or acceleration ) exceeds a certain number of gs we are likely to suffer. If we contact something with enough speed differential we will die.

There is no denying speed kills, just ask River Pheonix.

But what you are referring to is speed differential.

In the calamity you describe the cause of the accident is the confluence of two poor decisions. Decisions in that on their own are unlikely to be fatal, together?


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[swbarnett]

There is no denying speed kills,
Um, you've asserted exactly the opposite in the post.

[skippa1]

Read my comment again, I stated CAN be not will be

Peanut brain
Bit touchy aren't you

[PrincessBandit]

When I sat my license (a very long time ago) I was warned before we started I would be failed if I did not use my back brake. I could use the front as well If I wished, but at all lights and the mandatory hill start they had to see me use my foot brake.

Does anyone know if this is still the case?


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Not sure. I don't even remember doing a hill start when I did my license.

Even if using the foot brake is "compulsory" when sitting your license, how many bother to keep to "exam" regulations once they've passed and are out on the road? Hell, I still stick my car in neutral when coming to a stop in various situations and therefore "coast" to a stop - definitely a fail when sitting your drivers license when I did it back in the day. I can't be bothered making sure I'm in first gear when stopping! (yes, I do drive a manual, and yes I did do it the 'proper' way for my test).

[cowpoos]

Any advice on hill starts, I try to avoid them when I can, sometimes I do ok, other times I stall then get it right the 2nd attempt, bloody shamful when a car is behind you.

really?.....okay!....foot on rear brake. as clutch takes up, release rear brake.

[george formby]

Ok "financially safe" then. You had better not ever overtake anything then as you will likely have a head on if you do not take the financial risk of exceeding the speed limit.


:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: You what? Cassina the conservative advocating a touch of throttle? Goodness, might end up going fast. Crivens!

Any hoo, hows the hill starts?

[tbs]

I can't remember the last time I used either brake for a hill start. Same method as driving a manual car. Hold the front brake on until I want to go, then release the brake and grab some revs. I use a few more revs than the average flat start and probably ride the clutch a bit more. I frequently have to do it at the top of a steep street turning left. The road cambers away to the left like crazy, and putting my left foot down could easily result in a fall to the left. It also saves a bunch of time kicking it into gear as if I'm stopped for any length of time I leave it in neutral.
If I'm only stopping for a moment I won't use the brake at all. I just hold the bike in place riding the clutch.

An easy way to practice is to find a suitable hill, ride the clutch a bit with some revs so you start moving, then roll off and pull clutch in, let the bike stop moving forward and start rolling back, then roll back on and release the clutch enough to catch it and creep forward again... Repeat.

I reckon being able to do this is safer than having to use either brake

[cowpoos]

I can't remember the last time I used either brake for a hill start. Same method as driving a manual car. Hold the front brake on until I want to go, then release the brake and grab some revs. I use a few more revs than the average flat start and probably ride the clutch a bit more. I frequently have to do it at the top of a steep street turning left. The road cambers away to the left like crazy, and putting my left foot down could easily result in a fall to the left. It also saves a bunch of time kicking it into gear as if I'm stopped for any length of time I leave it in neutral.
If I'm only stopping for a moment I won't use the brake at all. I just hold the bike in place riding the clutch.

An easy way to practice is to find a suitable hill, ride the clutch a bit with some revs so you start moving, then roll off and pull clutch in, let the bike stop moving forward and start rolling back, then roll back on and release the clutch enough to catch it and creep forward again... Repeat.

I reckon being able to do this is safer than having to use either brake

hmmm...foot rear brake...is the only real way to hill start. Your way works for you....well done. it works...kills your clutch...but works.

Great thing about freedom of speech...everyone can have an opinion....wether they know what they are talking about or not.

TBS...if you don't understand how using your rear brake for hillstarts works [like hand brake for a car hill start]...PM me...I'll get my crayons out and draw you a picture of one of the simplest components of motorcycle riding...scan it for you...and email it to you.

:2thumbsup

In short...if you don't know what the hell your talking about...keep your opinion to yourself. cool...enjoy your riding and fucked up hill starts :)

[Big Dog]

Um, you've asserted exactly the opposite in the post.

Perhaps if you don't truncate my sentence?


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[Big Dog]

In short...if you don't know what the hell your talking about...keep your opinion to yourself. cool...enjoy your riding and fucked up hill starts :)

You do know where we are right?


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[swbarnett]

Perhaps if you don't truncate my sentence?
OK, this is a complete sentence, no? Actually it's two but who's counting?

To put that into context: according to NASA if you were at the equator you would be travelling at roughly 1070 kmph relative to the core of the earth due to the rotation of the earth. That speed is unlikely to kill you.
and this:

Or more simply: if you leapt with great courage and valour from an aeroplane you would reach you're personal terminal velocity. From memory this is approx 126 kmph. Even in the nude this is unlikely to kill you on its own.
and this:

Until you change your pace you have little fear of harm.

All of which assert that speed, in and of itself, can't kill you.

[Zarkov]

Front wheel braking won't hold you on a steep uphill gravel surface, you'll need to use the back brake and do a rear brake start.

Same if you stall it going up a steep gravel grade.

You need to leave it in gear and use the clutch to control the bike and avoid rolling backwards out of control.

[Tazz]

Front wheel braking won't hold you on a steep uphill gravel surface, you'll need to use the back brake and do a rear brake start.

Same if you stall it going up a steep gravel grade.

You need to leave it in gear and use the clutch to control the bike and avoid rolling backwards out of control.

This.

Hardest thing I've found about hill starts is having the luxury/foresight to hill stop in a good spot. Easy as around the burbs and sealed road, not so much when it is unplanned on a steep clay hill with heaps of those annoying little (but fawkin deep) ruts/washouts :eek: You're right foot is in big demand when you need it to hold up the bike, kick start it and hold the brake all at the same time.

[tbs]

Cowpoos I do know how to use the rear brake to hill start. I recall now that I did do it a couple of weeks ago on a loan bike with an unfamiliar clutch. Maybe I didn't come across properly, but much like driving a manual car, once you get used to finding the clutch release point and the right amount of throttle, and can do it quickly, then the rear brake becomes pretty superfluous.

Personally I don't like being stopped with my left foot down because in that position I don't have quick use of the shift pedal and I would rather have the bike out of gear with the clutch out when I'm not going anywhere. When it's go time all I have to do is clutch in, into first, release the front brake, roll on and release the clutch enough to start moving forward.... Exactly the same as a flat start. I don't have to muck about putting the bike in gear and then swapping my foot position so I can use the rear brake. It saves time and burns up no more clutch than your method.
Maybe I gave you the impression that I sit there riding the hell out of the clutch, or that I was advising newbies not to use the brake, but that wasn't it. It's just that once you get fluent at it you can dispense with the brake most or all of the time.

[Big Dog]

OK, this is a complete sentence, no? Actually it's two but who's counting?

and this:

and this:


All of which assert that speed, in and of itself, can't kill you.

And then I made a joke about speed kills. Just ask River Pheonix. An actor who died at the hands of a speed cocaine mix. Outside a nightclub owned by Johnny Depp.

A mixture of my own immaturity and a desire to show how much distain I have for the concept that speed kills.


It is called sarcasm. Is often known as the lowest form of wit but handily is also the gap between those who get it and those who don't.


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[swbarnett]

And then I made a joke about speed kills. Just ask River Pheonix. An actor who died at the hands of a speed cocaine mix. Outside a nightclub owned by Johnny Depp.
My apologies. I missed this completely. I thought he died in a plane crash. I must be thinking of someone else.

Sarcasm is often very hard to pick up in writing. Especially when I have my facts wrong.

[Big Dog]

My apologies. I missed this completely. I thought he died in a plane crash. I must be thinking of someone else.

Sarcasm is often very hard to pick up in writing. Especially when I have my facts wrong.

Lol, I know the feeling. Even harder on tapatalk where lots of features are missing. Like emoticons, some picture types.


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[nzspokes]

the rider was gunning it

You ride a Hyosung 250, I wouldnt worry about gunning it creating excess speed.

[Swivel]

Bit touchy aren't you

Ok Big black loud one brain then

[Swivel]

Ok "financially safe" then. You had better not ever overtake anything then as you will likely have a head on if you do not take the financial risk of exceeding the speed limit.

Crikey, you can over take legally,helloooo

[skippa1]

Ok Big black loud one brain then
It took you 3 days and that's the best you could do?

[Swivel]

It took you 3 days and that's the best you could do?

Some people do have a life and don't log in here everyday, unlike you.
I am over your crap and over this site, dont bother to reply because I wont be reading it. I thought riders respected each other obviously NOT. However to the decent fellow riders thanks heaps for the helpful advice much appreciated but to the others bird brains like this idot can take a run and jump. over and out. Are all you lot from Taranaki inbred... lol guess what clown that only took me 1 day.

[Big Dog]

Some people do have a life and don't log in here everyday, unlike you.
I am over your crap and over this site, dont bother to reply because I wont be reading it. I thought riders respected each other obviously NOT. However to the decent fellow riders thanks heaps for the helpful advice much appreciated but to the others bird brains like this idot can take a run and jump. over and out. Are all you lot from Taranaki inbred... lol guess what clown that only took me 1 day.
That's Kiwibiker I am afraid. Some are bullies, some are trolls, some bring opinions from another planet, but most are pretty good sorts.

Either ignore or blacklist the idiots. The good folk will be along soon enough.



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[swbarnett]

That depends on how much time you feel is safe on the other side of the road without having a head on.
And the speed of the other vehicle, the length of the straight, the presence of a passing lane etc, etc. It can definitely be done safely at legal speeds.

Which is not to say that overtaking at above the legal limit is not the safer option much of the time.

[nzspokes]

Some people do have a life and don't log in here everyday, unlike you.
I am over your crap and over this site, dont bother to reply because I wont be reading it. I thought riders respected each other obviously NOT. However to the decent fellow riders thanks heaps for the helpful advice much appreciated but to the others bird brains like this idot can take a run and jump. over and out. Are all you lot from Taranaki inbred... lol guess what clown that only took me 1 day.

Leaving thread now? Doesnt that mean he gets cut off?

[skippa1]

Speed limit is for poor people like me who can't afford to pay fines or lose my license, usually if you go faster the tail gater goes faster, exceeding the speed limit can get you paralised if your lucky, but usually idots like you get killed and give the Government an excuse to raise the rego costs.
Read your own post. What a load of twaddle

Some people do have a life and don't log in here everyday, unlike you.
I am over your crap and over this site, dont bother to reply because I wont be reading it. I thought riders respected each other obviously NOT. However to the decent fellow riders thanks heaps for the helpful advice much appreciated but to the others bird brains like this idot can take a run and jump. over and out. Are all you lot from Taranaki inbred... lol guess what clown that only took me 1 day.
boo fuckin hoo. You thought riders respect each other? What makes riders so special? Speed limit is for poor people? Get you paralysed if you're lucky? What part of that shit should a "rider" respect?