Bastard Street Triple would not start this morning!

[HenryDorsetCase]

It has not been started for a week but I thought I would take it for a WOF today in the hope of some decent autumn riding.

Key on, it does its little dance: needles sweep, lights come on, fuel pump whines, hit the button, turns over no fire. Turns over twice ... Gurrr Guurrrrr. nothing.

thought it might have been the clutch lockout or the sidestand lockout. Flicked the stand up, hold the clutch in.... same deal.

It doesnt "feel" like a flat battery: the lights do not go as dim as they do trying to start with a flat battery. I did put the battery on charge this morning and will try to start it tonight.

Suggestions as to what else to try?

09 Street Triple R with arrows lowboy and mapped to suit. ... and it went last week.

[oneblackflag]

Plugs?
Just had a battery die on me, would light up turn over etc but just wouldn't crank over hard enough to start.

[Trade_nancy]

Done anything such as remove the tank since it last ran?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Done anything such as remove the tank since it last ran?

not a thing. Parked it (in the garage - it is pampered).

My thoughts are leaning towards the battery but I don't have another one to try it with. Will try and jump it off the car tonight.

[Edbear]

Did sombody mention a battery..? :rolleyes:

[nodrog]

Try holding a bit off throttle on while starting. That works on an adult sized triple displaying the same syptoms.

Alternatively you could contact triumph new zealand for some help.

[oneblackflag]

Did sombody mention a battery..? :rolleyes:

Almost brought one of yours Ed... But was told if any water gets on the chip it's fucked (It's a dirt bike so quite likely).

[Edbear]

Almost brought one of yours Ed... But was told if any water gets on the chip it's fucked (It's a dirt bike so quite likely).

I sell a lot to dirt bikes and the answer is really simple. As with any battery installation one should use a bit of electrical grease over the terminals, and with the Shorai, do the same across the charging port cover.

If it's likely to get dunked, as in a jetski for example, then you do need to waterproof them and most either seal around the terminals and port with silicon or put it in a plastic bag.

The biggest market for the batteries is to KTM dealers for some reason.

[oneblackflag]

I sell a lot to dirt bikes and the answer is really simple. As with any battery installation one should use a bit of electrical grease over the terminals, and with the Shorai, do the same across the charging port cover.

If it's likely to get dunked, as in a jetski for example, then you do need to waterproof them and most either seal around the terminals and port with silicon or put it in a plastic bag.

The biggest market for the batteries is to KTM dealers for some reason.

Might give it a try next time... Funnily enough It was a KTM dealer who talked me out of it, they did say about the waterproofing though.

Sorry for hijacking the thread for a minute :innocent:

[Blackbird]

Your Triple is the same year as mine and 4 or 5 years from a battery these days seems around par for the course. Depends on how often you use it as longer periods without use does cause sulphating. My favoured option would be the battery too. Interestingly, I correspond with a chap in the USA who has one and had a similar problem to yours. The dealer reckoned the existing battery was fine after testing but the problem persisted until the battery was changed and all was fine afterwards. Just didn't hold enough capacity for cranking amps compared with the lower load demand for lights and so on.

[LankyBastard]

Lets hope it is just the battery! A friend of mine had similar symptoms on his Daytona 675, was all good and then all of a sudden just no start. Would crank over fine, all lights would work, but dead. Turned out the crank position sensor had had enough and decided to retire. Required a whole new stator. Fun times.

Fingers crossed a new battery solves your problem!

[Edbear]

Might give it a try next time... Funnily enough It was a KTM dealer who talked me out of it, they did say about the waterproofing though.

Sorry for hijacking the thread for a minute :innocent:

I will put it in the dealer newsletter for April, and explain what to do. Thanks.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Did sombody mention a battery..? :rolleyes:

If I have to replace it (and thinking about it some more, it is most likely to be the OEM battery that John Bloor whittled from a solid block of lead then painstakingly personally installed in my bike) then its five years old... so likely at the end of its life.

If I have to replace it I will definitely buy a Shorai.... sure there is a price difference but the weight saving is completely worthwhile.

[BuzzardNZ]

Did sombody mention a battery..? :rolleyes:

Owl had ( has ? ) a triumph and one of your batteries caused him all sorts of grief.

OP should ask Owl before risking putting a Shorai in as from the sounds of it Shorai and Triumphs don't seem to play nice together.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Try holding a bit off throttle on while starting. That works on an adult sized triple displaying the same syptoms.

Alternatively you could contact triumph new zealand for some help.

AHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAHAHAHAA yeah, thanks for that.

I can ring Street and Sport though. They're awesome.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Owl had ( has ? ) a triumph and one of your batteries caused him all sorts of grief.

OP should ask Owl before risking putting a Shorai in as from the sounds of it Shorai and Triumphs don't seem to play nice together.

I have a Shorai in my VFR. Its brilliant. Even if the VFR is less so.

[neels]

Had the same thing with my ducati the other day, enough to turn it over but wouldn't fire up, until I gave it a quick charge and away it went.

Too much electronics these days, if the voltage drops a bit when the battery is in sub-optimal condition then computer says no.

[Edbear]

If I have to replace it (and thinking about it some more, it is most likely to be the OEM battery that John Bloor whittled from a solid block of lead then painstakingly personally installed in my bike) then its five years old... so likely at the end of its life.

If I have to replace it I will definitely buy a Shorai.... sure there is a price difference but the weight saving is completely worthwhile.

Cheers, mate!


Owl had ( has ? ) a triumph and one of your batteries caused him all sorts of grief.

OP should ask Owl before risking putting a Shorai in as from the sounds of it Shorai and Triumphs don't seem to play nice together.

Owl explained what happened in the Shorai thread. He has no issues now. Well worth looking at.

[Edbear]

Had the same thing with my ducati the other day, enough to turn it over but wouldn't fire up, until I gave it a quick charge and away it went.

Too much electronics these days, if the voltage drops a bit when the battery is in sub-optimal condition then computer says no.

It's a real problem with the Rocket, as anymore than about 5 - 10% down and it's a no go.

[MIXONE]

Had the same thing with my ducati the other day, enough to turn it over but wouldn't fire up, until I gave it a quick charge and away it went.

Too much electronics these days, if the voltage drops a bit when the battery is in sub-optimal condition then computer says no.

Ducatis are notorious for not playing nicely without a fully charged battery.

[bogan]

Has it got fuel in it?


He has no issues now.

He also has no Shorai :innocent:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Has it got fuel in it?



He also has no Shorai :innocent:

What is this "fuel" you speak of?




yes

[willytheekid]

...bet your honda starts up first go after sitting for a week or more :bleh::laugh:

Seriously tho...hope ya get it sorted mate, its a bloody horrible feeling when ya baby won't go :weep:

(Have ya tried yelling at it?, or weeping and beggin it to go?...used to work on my Guzzi lol)

[BuzzardNZ]

Owl explained what happened in the Shorai thread. He has no issues now. Well worth looking at.




He also has no Shorai :innocent:


Ahhh, I'm beginning to see the pattern here...

No Shorai = No issues

[HenryDorsetCase]

...bet your honda starts up first go after sitting for a week or more :bleh::laugh:

Seriously tho...hope ya get it sorted mate, its a bloody horrible feeling when ya baby won't go :weep:

(Have ya tried yelling at it?, or weeping and beggin it to go?...used to work on my Guzzi lol)

Weeping and begging. Works for this, sometimes works when I want sex.......



The Honda was about a bloody year... and it desperately needs a tune..... sigh.

[Geeen]

Had a similar issue with my speedy, turned out to be the clutch switch not engaging properly. Some contact cleaner sorted it out. Could be a place for you to look... Stupid things cant be bypassed as the ECU looks at them constantly...

[cynna]

do they have the same problem as the speedmasters? the computer wont let my 09 start if it drops below 12.6v ..... dam annoying

[HenryDorsetCase]

Thanks everyone for your input. Pretty sure it is the battery at this point. On charge all day and it fired up straight away tonight.
The good news is I also have a spare battery because it is the same as the battery in my VFR. Street and Sport have a battery load tester so I wil get them to check it out but I think the question has been answered.
Which is good because I am skint at present.

[Gremlin]

Too much electronics these days, if the voltage drops a bit when the battery is in sub-optimal condition then computer says no.
What he said. Modern bikes and cars all alike these days.

If it helps, 9 year old battery in the CB900 still starts just fine. Even left for 7 weeks in 2011, started up like it was the previous day. Disgustingly reliable :shifty:

[AllanB]

My Hornet 900 factory battery gave up the ghost a couple weeks after the bikes warranty ran out :brick:

Blue Wing did not help one bit ............


Side note - year back I spent a hour fucking around when the bike would not start - turned out I had bumped the kill switch to off ....................... :angry2:

[Gremlin]

Side note - year back I spent a hour fucking around when the bike would not start - turned out I had bumped the kill switch to off ....................... :angry2:
My BMW wins. Had it on it's side for some work (non-electrical). Sat upright for a while, then tried to start it, and it would only crank, no start. Left for rest of the day, no start. Overnight, nothing. Carted it off to the dealer to figure out what was wrong on Monday morning, they finally get the time to look at it Thurs/Fri, and it starts fine :pinch:

[caseye]

Situation Normal, then, sorry Grem, but these bikes , they do this!

[IkieBikie]

Situation Normal, then, sorry Grem, but these bikes , they do this!

Like coalburners????

[AllanB]

It will start leaking oil soon ...... :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Sorry I could not resist!

[Gremlin]

It will start leaking oil soon ...... :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Sorry I could not resist!
Nah, it's only to keep putting some nice fresh oil in... kinda like a constant oil change. I laugh now... but not when the oil light comes up, and I'm a long way from oil :brick:

[Owl]

He has no issues now

Not since I converted back to lead-acid Ed!:laugh:

[Edbear]

Not since I converted back to lead-acid Ed!:laugh:

:shifty: :bleh:

[Pumba]

Just a thought incase you still have problems. Just had to pull the starter button apart on my 08 Speed Triple because it left me stranded at the servo one morning refusing to start. I reckon it has been an intermitant problem for the last couple of years that I didnt recognise.

Just had to pull it apart and spray round some contact cleaner and it has been all good since.

[Stirts]

Turns over twice ... Gurrr Guurrrrr. nothing.

It's actually roaw, roaw, pooooooooosh!


Thanks everyone for your input. Pretty sure it is the battery at this point. On charge all day and it fired up straight away tonight.
The good news is I also have a spare battery because it is the same as the battery in my VFR. Street and Sport have a battery load tester so I wil get them to check it out but I think the question has been answered.
Which is good because I am skint at present.

I'd put money on it being battery. Battery doesn't have to be dead for mine not start. And I would say yours may be same, greedy and needy little farker that requires a lot of juice to fire - I readed somewhere once that if a battery can't supply around 13.5 volts at starting, then you're gonna have the roaw, roaw, pooooooooosh issue!


Alternatively you could contact triumph new zealand for some help.

You're about as helpful as they are :bleh:

[bogan]

It's actually roaw, roaw, pooooooooosh!

Are we talking about bikes or sex lives now?

[Stirts]

Are we talking about bikes or sex lives now?

You say that like those are two separate things :scratch:

[bogan]

You say that like those are two separate things :scratch:

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