New tiny car thing in Wellington

[pzkpfw]

Saw one of these today. Odd.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/9941731/Tiny-car-ready-to-tango

What amuses me is that the benefits of them, to the wider comunity, basically apply to bikes already * - yet certain policies from council and police seem to be about discouraging bikes!


Owner Toa Greening believes if 4000 commuters swapped their car for the Tango model, the city's motorway gridlock and parking woes would be a thing of the past.

The vehicles could travel two per lane in a staggered formation, similar to motorbikes.

Greening and the automatic car's American inventor, Rick Woodbury, are looking to set up the world's first Tango manufacturing plant, and believe Wellington could be ideal.


* this is why I posted here, and not in Rant and Rave.

[TheDemonLord]

4 wheels good, 2 legs bad

[Rhys]

Can you lane split with them?

That would really upset the cages :bleh:

[Ocean1]

It's hideous.

Might make some vague sense in an American city where it's much smaller than the alternatives, but it makes none whatsoever here.

And I'd like to see two of 'em ripping up the motorway "in the same lane in staggered formation like motorbikes".

I'd also like to know which motorbikes it's thinner than.

[Big Dog]

It's hideous.

Might make some vague sense in an American city where it's much smaller than the alternatives, but it makes none whatsoever here.

And I'd like to see two of 'em ripping up the motorway "in the same lane in staggered formation like motorbikes".

I'd also like to know which motorbikes it's thinner than.
Pretty much anything I can see past my elbows. His measurements are based on the width at the tips I the mirror. Saw one in person at Eco expo. And it is narrower mirror tip to mirror tip than my old busa, my dr or my new wheels. But have you seen how narrow the mirrors are.



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[pzkpfw]

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I'd also like to know which motorbikes it's thinner than.

Something like this ...

[GavinB]

I saw it during my lunch break.

Apparently the "thinner than" comment is in relation to the Police BMW's, presumably based on widest point.

There's no way in hell I'd be wanting to take a four wheeler with that narrow a wheelbase (width) along the motorway when there's even a fiarly regular Wellington breeze. I've had my old Mini blown across a lane going past Ngauranga a number of years ago.

Gavin

[pzkpfw]

I don't get the parking thing. They'd either have to change rules so multiple of these can share one car park - which apparently is too hard to let bikes do - or let them use bike parks; or have a third type of park just for them. Makes no sense.

[Tazz]

"240kmh top speed" ... in that thing?! Hell no!

[Big Dog]

I saw it during my lunch break.

Apparently the "thinner than" comment is in relation to the Police BMW's, presumably based on widest point.

There's no way in hell I'd be wanting to take a four wheeler with that narrow a wheelbase (width) along the motorway when there's even a fiarly regular Wellington breeze. I've had my old Mini blown across a lane going past Ngauranga a number of years ago.

Gavin
According to the inventor harder to roll than a Lamborghini due to 3/4 of the weight, about the same as a commodore, bring below the top of the wheel arches, even 2 up. I did however notice that even though I took the time to talk to him and showed unsolicited interest I was about the only person not offered to have a seat. At 6'4" 140 kegs I can't say I blame him.



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[AllanB]

$29,000
Twenty nine thousand dollars



F U C K O F F



If the council shows any interest in assisting this thing financially local motorcycle shop should raise merry hell asking why they are not getting support from the Council.

[Akzle]

when do motorcycles ride in staggered formation? Why did they even mention motorcycles?

[biketimus_prime]

No way that thing will help ease gridlocks and congestion. What a bunch of BS. Just another contraption dreamt up by some guy with too much money and trying to make it sound like a viable idea. I'd love to see how well it will come out in a crash compared to a proper late model sedan that undergoes the same crash. The kind of people who will buy it are the kind of people who buy toyota Priuses and think they're helping save the world.

FOSSIL FUELS TILL I DIE

[swbarnett]

It's hideous.
Agreed.


I'd also like to know which motorbikes it's thinner than.
Their statement about being thinner than many motorbikes is an out and out lie. Legally the maximum width of a motorbike is 1m - the same width as this monstrosity.

[Berries]

Their statement about being thinner than many motorbikes is an out and out lie. Legally the maximum width of a motorbike is 1m - the same width as this monstrosity.
I was never good at maths, but what?

[nzspokes]

It would be fun to ride past em and give a push sideways. If two were parked at the lights it would be like domino's. :woohoo:

[Gremlin]

I'd love to see how well it will come out in a crash compared to a proper late model sedan that undergoes the same crash. The kind of people who will buy it are the kind of people who buy toyota Priuses and think they're helping save the world.
To be fair, I think it will actually perform extremely well within the confines of it's design. It has a full nascar style roll cage and weighs somewhere around 1500kg, which is incredibly dense given it's size. 3News reporter drove in one, takes off pretty damn quick.

Not that I'm considering one, just respecting the engineering. If it's 1m wide, it's only fractionally wider than my BMW, which is around 955mm from memory. Should probably measure with panniers on, but I always assume I'm 1m wide.

Also, that $29,000 price tag is after it's in full production, cost of tech comes down etc, possibly including subsidy. Those prototypes (the orange one doing the rounds is owned by Google co-founder Sergey) are more like $400,000.

Oh... and Wellington for a factory? :scratch:

[thehollowmen]

Load must not overhang 50cm from the centre line of the motorcycle.
Yes, my panniers are over width. A lot of motorcycles are over-width from factory.
I'm going to find links now.

EDIT: http://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt.nz/virms/in-service-wof-and-cof/motorcycles/vehicle-exterior/dimensions#table231



I was never good at maths, but what?

[Big Dog]

Load must not overhang 50cm from the centre line of the motorcycle.
Yes, my panniers are over width. A lot of motorcycles are over-width from factory.
I'm going to find links now.

EDIT: http://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt.nz/virms/in-service-wof-and-cof/motorcycles/vehicle-exterior/dimensions#table231

Exclusions: Measurement does not include:

collapsible mirrors which extend no more than 240 mm from the body
direction indicators and side-marker lamps
ropes, lashings, straps, chains, and related connectors and tensioning devices that extend no more than 25mm from either side, and that are not permanently or rigidly fixed to the vehicle
the bulge towards the bottom of a tyre.


So wing mirrors and removable panniers are not included. Probably should go measure my bars. Pretty sure they are 900 including bend. On their own they should be alright but you never know by the time bar ends are on.
Also probably should check my shoulder width with gear on. I don't fit through doors.


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[avgas]

There's no way in hell I'd be wanting to take a four wheeler with that narrow a wheelbase (width) along the motorway when there's even a fiarly regular Wellington breeze. I've had my old Mini blown across a lane going past Ngauranga a number of years ago.


"240kmh top speed" ... in that thing?! Hell no!


I'd love to see how well it will come out in a crash compared to a proper late model sedan that undergoes the same crash.


It would be fun to ride past em and give a push sideways. If two were parked at the lights it would be like domino's. :woohoo:
http://www.chailife.com/wp-content/uploads/The_Most_Interesting_Man_in_The_World.jpg
I don't often use multi-quote.....but when I do, I like to collect all the under researched, biased, morons in one group.

It doesn't tip over, its 1500 kgs and a majority of it is under the seat.
It has a roll cage.....you know - like a race car.......you know the race cars where people don't die as often as they do in normal cars.
It travels at speed with weight down low. I will let you do the math on if that is safe.

Really kids. Stop thinking you know - and research.
Quick google found this old video (1999):
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/r0biSmCktVY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>

If you are going to discredit it - do it on something substantial.

Like the fact it is hideous and expensive.

[jonbuoy]

Most cars that have a proper roll cage need you to be strapped in a multi point safety harness tight to the seat and wear a helmet - otherwise that roll cage is just an anvil to strike your head on.

There is a video of one on you tube pulling a 13 second 1/4 mile time so it's not all bullshit. Not sure how many of those you can pull on one set of batteries.

[avgas]

Most cars that have a proper roll cage need you to be strapped in a multi point safety harness tight to the seat and wear a helmet - otherwise that roll cage is just an anvil to strike your head on.
This has a 4-point harness.....up to you if you want to wear a helmet. I don't know how special you are.

[MD]

I'm surprised so many are against it?

I would rather commute on a crowded motorway of Tangos than bloody Pajeros and Landcruisers and Explorers. It sure looked fast on that autocourse and may better a bike around it. Lets see, it's small and reduces congestion, useful 380km range, better than 95% of bikes, even tourers. It uses no fossil fuels, zero pollution, less parking space, safer than a bike, well you have some metal and roll cage around you, keeps you warm and dry. Where do I get one for wet days.

Oh yeah I also quite like the look of it.

[chasio]

... It uses no fossil fuels...

Its fuel use is hidden behind the grid so its use or otherwise of fossil fuels must be qualified by where the power comes from. If you charge it in Auckland, chances are it'll be indirectly using fossil fuels at Huntly, I believe. Unless you have your own generation facility e.g. PV, that is. At least NZ has good renewable supplies so it is more likely to be true here than most other places.

[jonbuoy]

This has a 4-point harness.....up to you if you want to wear a helmet. I don't know how special you are.

Not about being special - its about not caving your head in on a pole. Its the reason cars don´t come with roll cages from the factory.

[Swoop]

The news item showed it travelling along a road in Wellytown somewhere. It appeared to be taking up the lane it was driving in (making it impossible for another car to use it as well) but a bike could fit alongside easily.
I believe a previous poster has a very good point that motorcycle shops and motorcycle advocacy groups should be playing up merry hell over this "concept" of getting more efficient transport systems in place. FFS a scroter would be far better (cheaper, take up less space, easier to park, etc) than that mobility scooter with a roof.

[Gianz]

I'm surprised so many are against it?

I would rather commute on a crowded motorway of Tangos than bloody Pajeros and Landcruisers and Explorers. It sure looked fast on that autocourse and may better a bike around it. Lets see, it's small and reduces congestion, useful 380km range, better than 95% of bikes, even tourers. It uses no fossil fuels, zero pollution, less parking space, safer than a bike, well you have some metal and roll cage around you, keeps you warm and dry. Where do I get one for wet days.

Oh yeah I also quite like the look of it.


a part from your sense of aesthetics, I'd expect better from someone with an MV, this thing sucks cause it can't wheelie.

[GrayWolf]

I love the 'concept'....

if its performance is even 2/3 of what they are quoting, it would still deal to 80% of cars on the road off the line! That would satisfy the 'need for speed' of many riders. :rolleyes:
It's nothing new as such, the Quaser, would be the first 'encased' Motorcycle concept in the 70's. Many bikers in the UK drove Reliant's in the winter (3 wheeled covered by a full bike licence). We now have the Canam's which are increasing in numbers.

Definately, if it even 'sniffs' like the WDC is thinking of supporting it, the local bike dealers should be able to 'cash in' as well. Sadly we all know that the idea of manufacturing will overshadow that....Delorean was a prime example in Ireland. :weep:

I'd agree, I'd rather ride among a few hundred of these than the urban tanks that are so popular.

[F5 Dave]

oh Well, if George Looney has one. . . . <_<



Excess electricity generation is going to be fossil so that's a lie.

2 abreast is just silly except at walking pace & well you already have a problem & expect most car drivers to bang into each other if they are sharing a lane.

But yes. A vote for these rather than urban tanks that still seem popular.

Me? I'll probably still be in my Van (its ok, - there will likely be a motorbike or parts of one in the back being transported)

[James Deuce]

Saw a n00b on a CBR500R get a ticket for using a pay and display yesterday (he'd paid for it) and he just nutted off. Didn't want to understand that council bylaws mean he can't use them.

I understand his frustration.

Especially when some whack doodle fuckwit then tries to compare a shit car with a motorcycle and parks exactly the same way he did with no repercussions.

Fuck the trappings of authority with a 250cc chainsaw.

[F5 Dave]

Saw a n00b on a CBR500R get a ticket for using a pay and display yesterday (he'd paid for it) and he just nutted off. Didn't want to understand that council bylaws mean he can't use them.

I understand his frustration.

Especially when some whack doodle fuckwit then tries to compare a shit car with a motorcycle and parks exactly the same way he did with no repercussions.

Fuck the trappings of authority with a 250cc chainsaw.


I like how you're thinking.


Followed by a 250cc MX bike:crazy:

[Jay GTI]

Its fuel use is hidden behind the grid so its use or otherwise of fossil fuels must be qualified by where the power comes from. If you charge it in Auckland, chances are it'll be indirectly using fossil fuels at Huntly, I believe. Unless you have your own generation facility e.g. PV, that is. At least NZ has good renewable supplies so it is more likely to be true here than most other places.

Much like most of the press around electric/hybid vehicles, they always seem to report like they think the batteries make themselves for free, with no environmental impact and have an infinite service-life.

[Erelyes]

Saw a n00b on a CBR500R get a ticket for using a pay and display yesterday (he'd paid for it) and he just nutted off. Didn't want to understand that council bylaws mean he can't use them.

I understand his frustration.

So do I, as that's farkin stupid. Dunedin allows bikers to buy P&D, they are allowed to just keep the receipt to present to PO or to send in if a ticket's issued.

On topic, that thing is hideous, heavy, and FAR too expensive. I can only guess they are basing pricing off what a Smart ForTwo costs?

[Ender EnZed]

http://www.commutercars.com/

Have a read, it actually sounds pretty awesome.

Apart from the US$200000 price tag and the fact that it's gayer than a Honda scooter.

[James Deuce]

http://www.commutercars.com/

Have a read, it actually sounds pretty awesome.

Apart from the US$200000 price tag and the fact that it's gayer than a Honda scooter.

Just get the bus.

[Tazz]

Really kids. Stop thinking you know - and research.


If you are going to discredit it - do it on something substantial.

Who yanked your chain :lol:

I have nothing against it, other than doing 240km/h in something with that sort of wheel base, no matter how low the weight is...fark that.

Other than the price ticket and the utter uselessness of anything other than getting you between two points that are close-ish or where you have 10 hours spare I think they are awesome. Can jump in wearing your suit (which is a pain on a bike) and motor along a bit happier in the winter.

As for the special parks...if it's only 1m wide you could park it inside next to the coat rack :p

[GrayWolf]

Who yanked your chain :lol:

I have nothing against it, other than doing 240km/h in something with that sort of wheel base, no matter how low the weight is...fark that.

Other than the price ticket and the utter uselessness of anything other than getting you between two points that are close-ish or where you have 10 hours spare I think they are awesome. Can jump in wearing your suit (which is a pain on a bike) and motor along a bit happier in the winter.

As for the special parks...if it's only 1m wide you could park it inside next to the coat rack :p


and WHO yanked your Leash??? Get back in Ya kennel like a good boy!!! :lol::lol:

and WHO in their right mind would do 240kph+ on a short wheelbase vehicle with NO bodywork, inbuilt safety protection?? :cool:
At least the low center of gravity will be a lot more stable than some of the monstrosities out there already. Almost 400km.s to a charge? Sounds a quite reasonable distance compared to a Priapus.

Think I'd stick to a Spyder for shyte weather conditions though! given the options

[swbarnett]

I would rather commute on a crowded motorway of Tangos than bloody Pajeros and Landcruisers and Explorers.
If the motorway is full of these things forget about lane splitting. Then again you may not have to.

My concern is how it would stand up in a good wind. Even thought the weight is down low I still question if it would be enough. It looks like it would act as a sail. Even buses and large trucks have trouble with high winds.

[swbarnett]

Not about being special - its about not caving your head in on a pole. Its the reason cars don´t come with roll cages from the factory.
You don't even need a roll cage to come off with brain damage from contact with the door post.

[Ender EnZed]

My concern is how it would stand up in a good wind. Even thought the weight is down low I still question if it would be enough. It looks like it would act as a sail. Even buses and large trucks have trouble with high winds.

It weighs as much as a medium sized car and has a much smaller surface area for the wind to push against. It's going to be less affected by wind than just about anything.

[SMOKEU]

That car looks like a lot of fun. It will be funny to troll cagers who expect something that small to be really slow.

[Ender EnZed]

That car looks like a lot of fun. It will be funny to troll cagers who expect something that small to be really slow.

Especially if you'd just filtered up to the front at a set of lights.

[SMOKEU]

Especially if you'd just filtered up to the front at a set of lights.

If the car delivers what they promise, I wouldn't mind owning one actually. It will be funny as fuck to shit over V8 Commodores and Falcons at the traffic lights just to see the look on the other drivers face.

[James Deuce]

It's interesting how many of our "brethren" are choosing to ignore the fact that this piece of shit mobility scooter is being offered all the advantages of a motorcycle, which in Wellington means competing for a small and decreasing collection of "free" parking that is gone by 7:30am, however the piece of shit roll cage with a hi vis jacket on gets to park in pay and display parks with impunity. The staggered formation dream is the sort of thing that would have that rabid Nazi fuckwit motorcycle cop in Wellington chasing and ticketing motorcyclists for impeding the flow of traffic. I bet he'd escort these fucking horrible abominations in a staggered formation, given the opportunity.

Wellington's infrastructure is being deliberately made less motorcycle friendly from the top down. This is just another dig at motorcyclists, those who chose to ride something that falls over if you don't put the sidestand down.

WTF is anything that size doing weighing 1500kg??? And only carrying two medium sized people? Blatant waste of resources, marketed on the back of a romanticised vision stealing from motorcycling commuting thunder. I hope they fail and have to go live with their Grandma in the Chathams.

[swbarnett]

It weighs as much as a medium sized car and has a much smaller surface area for the wind to push against. It's going to be less affected by wind than just about anything.
You may have a point. However, the important thing in the wind is not the weight but the leverage. Being so narrow it may be affected. It just depends on whether the weight is enough to resist the force of a gale to the side. Be good to see some wind tunnel tests.

[Tazz]

and WHO yanked your Leash??? Get back in Ya kennel like a good boy!!! :lol::lol:

and WHO in their right mind would do 240kph+ on a short wheelbase vehicle with NO bodywork, inbuilt safety protection?? :cool:
At least the low center of gravity will be a lot more stable than some of the monstrosities out there already. Almost 400km.s to a charge? Sounds a quite reasonable distance compared to a Priapus.

Think I'd stick to a Spyder for shyte weather conditions though! given the options

hahaha yesss mummmm :p

yeah man that was all I was saying, pretty much, except in a very brief way haha.
I'd be interested to see some crash test footage of it. Might have a hunt. It is amazing what they can do with roll cages these days but as someone pointed out without the harnesses (which are actually illegal to wear on the road) and a helmet you're going to lunch your head on the cage for sure in something that compact in a crash.
Then again, we're talking worst case scenario and you're not going to come out well in any vehicle if you stack up enough against it.

Distance is good comparatively but in my mind I calculate a trip to Chch and back as being something I'd want to do without losing a day to charging, so from that aspect to me is seems city and outer burb mobile only.
That link the other day somewhere on here of that super fast charging would fix that though.

[Tazz]

WTF is anything that size doing weighing 1500kg???

Good point. Wonder how it would go on that course linked on the other page in the wet...

[Swoop]

WTF is anything that size doing weighing 1500kg??? And only carrying two medium sized people?

Quite so. It is a racist vehicle. How do "big boned" people use it?
Burn it!

[schrodingers cat]

The pint-sized roadster, which accelerates to 100kmh faster than a Ferrari 458 Italia supercar, drew a few stares.

See? Just like a Ferrari!

You could neither cart nor start a family in that thereby making it a true wankers car

[Robbo]

Here is a better looking one although i will not be changing the bike for one anytime soon.

[AllanB]

The silver one does look better.

But see it's name (number plate) SMERA - I may be wrong but I am sure that is something a woman has done to her most private regions once a year or so to ensure they are in good working shape ............

[avgas]

Not about being special - its about not caving your head in on a pole. Its the reason cars don´t come with roll cages from the factory.
Thats what the seatbelt and airbags are for.
Have you been in a car since the 1970's? They have evolved past the old land rover design. You can even buy curved soft volvos now.

[avgas]

Who yanked your chain :lol:
I have nothing against it, other than doing 240km/h in something with that sort of wheel base
I had the same thought - but then I thought, "Fuck your biased - look it up". So I did.......and was surprised.

Fact is we all think its a pile of shit - because it looks like shit, and priced like shit.

Unfortunately we are all wrong and it's not a pile of shit........it just looks like one. Which means we are all biased.

Sit down and have a think about how non-bikers think about motorbikes......

- It so dangerous
- I wouldn't be on that thing at 250+kph
- What happens in a crash
- If you go around a corner fast you will just fly off


Sound familiar
Hate breeds hate. I now realise that.
If this ugly car wants to come to NZ, who am I to say no to it? I think wheel standing an FZ1 or filtering through traffic on a GB400 @ 100+kph is fun. Last thing I want is some nancy telling me what I like is dangerous to me.

So who yanked my chain, the nancy's who are on their period and want to cramp others from doing something that research tells me is quite safe.

[avgas]

How do "big boned" people use it?
suppository......

[James Deuce]

I had the same thought - but then I thought, "Fuck your biased - look it up". So I did.......and was surprised.

Fact is we all think its a pile of shit - because it looks like shit, and priced like shit.

Unfortunately we are all wrong and it's not a pile of shit........it just looks like one. Which means we are all biased.

Sit down and have a think about how non-bikers think about motorbikes......

- It so dangerous
- I wouldn't be on that thing at 250+kph
- What happens in a crash
- If you go around a corner fast you will just fly off


Sound familiar
Hate breeds hate. I now realise that.
If this ugly car wants to come to NZ, who am I to say no to it? I think wheel standing an FZ1 or filtering through traffic on a GB400 @ 100+kph is fun. Last thing I want is some nancy telling me what I like is dangerous to me.

So who yanked my chain, the nancy's who are on their period and want to cramp others from doing something that research tells me is quite safe.

Nothing to do with safety or looks. It's the blatant anti-motorcycle stance of WCC. Which none of you give a fuck about. Or the local bike cops who just want bikes off the road, full stop. My bias is against the cunts with the big pens who don;t want us riding. And cunts who think they can leverage off the positives of motorcycling without adressing the actual issues around the immaturity of NZ's road users.

[pzkpfw]

Nothing to do with safety or looks. It's the blatant anti-motorcycle stance of WCC. Which none of you give a fuck about. Or the local bike cops who just want bikes off the road, full stop. My bias is against the cunts with the big pens who don;t want us riding. And cunts who think they can leverage off the positives of motorcycling without adressing the actual issues around the immaturity of NZ's road users.

Now, you get what I was meaning in post #1; but your words are betterer.

[Jay GTI]

Quite so. It is a racist vehicle. How do "big boned" people use it?
Burn it!

I'm pretty sure fat people aren't a race.

The weight I also assume comes from the batteries and electric motor(s).

[Big Dog]

I'm pretty sure fat people aren't a race.

The weight I also assume comes from the batteries and electric motor(s).

Is that not murkins?


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[James Deuce]

This I would buy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo_zXe2UWKw

[James Deuce]

This I would buy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo_zXe2UWKw

[F5 Dave]

I'm pretty sure fat people aren't a race.

. . ..

But what if you raced them?

C'mon Fatty. Gooo you good thing!!

[Ender EnZed]

Nothing to do with safety or looks. It's the blatant anti-motorcycle stance of WCC. Which none of you give a fuck about. Or the local bike cops who just want bikes off the road, full stop. My bias is against the cunts with the big pens who don;t want us riding. And cunts who think they can leverage off the positives of motorcycling without adressing the actual issues around the immaturity of NZ's road users.

The fact that WCC are a pack of motorcycle hating cunts doesn't mean the car is shit though.

[Swoop]

I'm pretty sure fat people aren't a race.
Disliking a "section" of our society is racist. Colour, religion, ethnicity. etc. etc , so tubbies are a "grouping" of our society.
Luckily we will not be seeing any driving the OP's mobility-scooter-on-steroids in any hurry.

[James Deuce]

The fact that WCC are a pack of motorcycle hating cunts doesn't mean the car is shit though.

Yes it does. This is the $5 argument too, so don't expect anything more than contradiction.

[swbarnett]

Disliking a "section" of our society is racist.
No, it's discriminatory.

Racism is simply one form of discrimination.

[F5 Dave]

No it isn't.

[Big Dog]

I consider my race and creed to be biker :wari:


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[Jay GTI]

Disliking a "section" of our society is racist. Colour, religion, ethnicity. etc. etc , so tubbies are a "grouping" of our society.
Luckily we will not be seeing any driving the OP's mobility-scooter-on-steroids in any hurry.

Racism is widely regarded as discrimination based on ethnic or cultural grouping, separating someone out based on their race, not their waist measurement. Unless you are making being fat an ethnic issue, such as all Samoans are fat, you are not being racist

[swbarnett]

No it isn't.
What do you think it is then?

[James Deuce]

No it isn't.
Yes it is!

Wait a minute!

[imdying]

Hahaha, trolled! Seriously guys, nobody is fucking stupid enough to believe that calling someone fatty is racism... you guys are too easy :D

[swbarnett]

you guys are too easy :D
Especially when there are no visual clues to give the lie to the troll.

[F5 Dave]

What do you think it is then?

I think this is the $5 argument if you knew your 'Python'

[Erelyes]

I think this is the $5 argument if you knew your 'Python'

"I came here for a good argument!"

"Ah, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!"

[Swoop]

Hahaha, trolled! Seriously guys, nobody is fucking stupid enough to believe that calling someone fatty is racism... you guys are too easy :D

Shhh!
Dammit, I had a good hook sunk deep into the lip and the fight was on!:shifty:




Right. Off to cook up some racist sausages for dinner.

[F5 Dave]

Yes you will. Oh crap, I've lost the hang of this:(

[avgas]

Nothing to do with safety or looks. It's the blatant anti-motorcycle stance of WCC. Which none of you give a fuck about. Or the local bike cops who just want bikes off the road, full stop. My bias is against the cunts with the big pens who don;t want us riding. And cunts who think they can leverage off the positives of motorcycling without adressing the actual issues around the immaturity of NZ's road users.
You are absolutely right. I care not about your plight.
So much so I think I will laugh at you.
Ha ha.

(also its not entirely WCC stance.......it technically was in Auckland first, in fact the plan/push for Auckland to get them started about 6 years ago, fuck knows why this shifted to Wellington - but I guess it was due to the people giving up in Auckland)

As for what I would prefer - I rode in a Tesla S recently and all I can say is "Fuck Yes!" - thing went like a cut cat. Also it wasn't as ugly as most electric wonders.

[GrayWolf]

"I came here for a good argument!"

"Ah, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!"

Is this going to be the 5 minute argument, or the full half hour? :angry:

You'll have to pay again!!