Casey Stoner retired young. Why?

[Shaun Harris]

This is the best most sensible thoughts on the subject I have ever read about this topic and comes in the middle of the discussion regarding his up bringing from his parents.



" The fact that he left when he did makes me wonder if he lived their dream, or his dream. I have to think it if was his dream, he would still be doing it.

I can't fathom not racing a motorcycle. I have had plenty of good excuses/reasons for walking away, but i can't. It is almost like it is a part of me. And it costs me a lot of my own money. Stoner was getting paid millions to do it, and one could say his reasons for leaving were weak.

His reasons for quitting were things that somebody like me/us would just laugh at and go on, because we don't want to quit. But if he was living somebody else's dream, then those reasons are good enough for him to justify quitting."


I guess at least he made his parents as well as himself extremelly rich financually.



A Talking heads song something to do with " Burning down the house" springs to mind for some reason here Pritch.

[tigertim20]

You're over thinking it.
as talented as we was, he was a whining little cunt who didn't get everything his way like he wanted so he left.

I would not be surprised if he came back, Id love to see him on a suzuki or aprilia entry next year battling with jorge and MM etc. THAT would be entertaining as fuck

[trustme]

From what I have read he never tired of racing a bike , he tired of all the bullshit that surrounded it. He got tired of the press , the politics, the fame, the constant pressure of attention.
Been a few chuck it in early not the least of whom was Croz.

[wayne]

well said, the press politics etc,
he did testing for honda , not a bad test rider to have to test products

[AllanB]

Reckon once you get to that level all the associated bullshit starts to prey one you.

[Shaun Harris]

From what I have read he never tired of racing a bike , he tired of all the bullshit that surrounded it. He got tired of the press , the politics, the fame, the constant pressure of attention.
Been a few chuck it in early not the least of whom was Croz.





Agreed and also Fact! Buy why did he tire of it so soon, perhaps because he was living some one elses dream in the first place for such a dam long from being a pretend child that he never really got to be which turned him into a bleeting whinging prick that he did become in his later years




Starting kids our real young is super duper cool imo but, let them enjoy the racing and there life untill at least early teenage years where they can then start to make there own educated decisions. For the europeans they get to go home to family and friends after a few hours of driving to a semi NORMAL life, he never ever did.


And now owns a farm in an area he spent his early childhood days before departing offshore, in my mind that is for him to find a part of his true missing self.

[Brian d marge]

Let me just say when u work with bikes every day and you can ride pretty much any bike 　、、the gloss wears off . . Also when the pressures on . . Ie the engines gone bang and the boys in hamamatsu are trying to find out why . . You cant start your job untill they do and uour report on that engine is due later the next day

Fishing looks real good

I have 3 weeks with no motorbikes yeahhhh

Stephen

[trustme]

There is a story of him as a kid on the start line bursting into tears, he felt that everyone was looking at him. He never really associated well with others , his mum home schooled him because of the bullying he suffered , was that a solution or simply compounding the problem, buggered if I know.

I could be a little wrong in details as I'm going from memory of an article I read.

Honda rate him as one of the best test riders ever. They gave him a bike , he came back in saying there was a problem in the motor, they found nothing in any of the data so they sent him back out.
Bang went the motor, he has that uncanny feel.

[Shaun Harris]

Reckon once you get to that level all the associated bullshit starts to prey one you.





C Edwards at 40 and many many others in top level motorsport still at it man and they have all had to deal with the same level and shit that he has re press and pressure etc

[Shaun Harris]

There is a story of him as a kid on the start line bursting into tears, he felt that everyone was looking at him. He never really associated well with others , his mum home schooled him because of the bullying he suffered , was that a solution or simply compounding the problem, buggered if I know.

I could be a little wrong in details as I'm going from memory of an article I read.




Correct and exact details man. To me it was a part of the problem, he never really had a shot at social skill data building

[Brian d marge]

Edwards pissed on stage in england was as funny as fk . . Love togo on the piss with that fella
Bang bang from the honda dakar squad is a lad hahahha
Stephen

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[Shaun Harris]

Let me just say when u work with bikes every day and you can ride pretty much any bike 　、、the gloss wears off . . Also when the pressures on . . Ie the engines gone bang and the boys in hamamatsu are trying to find out why . . You cant start your job untill they do and uour report on that engine is due later the next day

Fishing looks real good

I have 3 weeks with no motorbikes yeahhhh

Stephen






Did my first deep sea fishing trip a couple of weeks back out off New Plymouth with a good mate, that was the first time I have been in a fishing boat since I was 8 years old due to my father drowning at sea whislt going out to fish at Patea, Loved it big time and will be getting out a shit load more now.

[AllanB]

C Edwards at 40 and many many others in top level motorsport still at it man and they have all had to deal with the same level and shit that he has re press and pressure etc

Some people can handle stress, some not so. Does not make either 'better' than the other just different.

[Shaun Harris]

Edwards pissed on stage in england was as funny as fk . . Love togo on the piss with that fella
Bang bang from the honda dakar squad is a lad hahahha
Stephen

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I used to see some real funny things going down in the pit padocks of the GP 2 Stroke area days when I was a 250 team manager in 93 I think it was

[Shaun Harris]

Some people can handle stress, some not so. Does not make either 'better' than the other just different.






True! But also some can handle stress better as they were given better grounding data as kids to go into life with

[trustme]

There is a guy I know pretty well. He has worked his arse off for years to get a high flying prestige project management job, huge hours , huge time away , huge sacrifice for him & the family.
Chucked it in, he's suffering from depression, left the wife & kids to try & put himself back together
Sometimes the place you think you want to be is not the place you actually should be.

[Shaun Harris]

There is a guy I know pretty well. He has worked his arse off for years to get a high flying prestige project management job, huge hours , huge time away , huge sacrifice for him & the family.
Chucked it in, he's suffering from depression, left the wife & kids to try & put himself back together
Sometimes the place you think you want to be is not the place you actually should be.








Sad but true, many of these people we do not here about, as they are not world famous in the media loop

[James Deuce]

He didn't tire of it "soon" he started when he was 6. 20 years of bullshit and self-sacrifice is enough for anyone.

[Madness]

20 years of bullshit and self-sacrifice is enough for anyone.

I moved out at 16.

[Shaun Harris]

I moved out at 16.




I was escorted out at 13

[Shaun Harris]

He didn't tire of it "soon" he started when he was 6. 20 years of bullshit and self-sacrifice is enough for anyone.





That alone could well some it up

[Brian d marge]

[QUOjTE=Moto-Dynamix;1130708915]I used to see some real funny things going down in the pit padocks of the GP 2 Stroke area days when I was a 250 team manager in 93 I think it was[/QUOTE]

Hahahahaaa me to . . . I dont know which bullshyit story to tell first . .. .


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[Shaun Harris]

[QUOjTE=Moto-Dynamix;1130708915]I used to see some real funny things going down in the pit padocks of the GP 2 Stroke area days when I was a 250 team manager in 93 I think it was

Hahahahaaa me to . . . I dont know which bullshyit story to tell first . .. .


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Have you seen the photo book in the old mamas bar near Suzuka with Robbie Phillis with his own penis in his mouth man? eeew fekin yuk but dam funny man

[pritch]

Been a few chuck it in early not the least of whom was Croz.

From what I recall Mamola had a clause in his contract that Suzuki could not sign Crosby. Don't know if that's 100% accurate, but that was what was reported at the time.
I still don't like Mamola.

As for Stoner, he had a very effective psychological approach for any one race. Beyond that he had nothing. He hated everything about GPs excapt the racing itself, and that was entirely his own fault.

If you read his book it becomes apparent that he had a very isolated upbringing and never got on with anybody much outside his immediate family.

He probably left at the right time, I don't feel he could be any more competitive with Marquez than any of the rest of the field. It's a shame we'll probably never know...

[trustme]

I can't find the link but Spies put the pair of them ahead of anyone else . When Rossi or Lorenzo went passed he could understand what they were doing. When Stoner & MM went by he had no idea how they did it
He thought Stoner was ultimately faster but MM was better in mixing it up
I've always thought Stoner was the fastest rider we have seen for some time but not necessarily the best racer
Never really understood the hate thing, he's not the first prickly unapproachable arsehole world champ we've seen
Think Doohan, Hulme wasn't nick named the bear because he was cuddly.

[pritch]

For those of you who have not raed Stoner's book, this should give you a glimpse of who he is.
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/inside-the-mind-of-casey-stoner/

[jasonu]

From what I have read he never tired of racing a bike , he tired of all the bullshit that surrounded it. He got tired of the press , the politics, the fame, the constant pressure of attention.
Been a few chuck it in early not the least of whom was Croz.

Bet he didn't get tired of the cash...that comes with all you mentioned.

[scott411]

there are a couple of TV series about young motocrossers, and thier family, the commitment required,

they are on youtube, inside the outdoors, and Supercross Behind the dream

[caspernz]

Don't think we'll get to see the real Stoner in any media publication, nor does it matter to me. All that I will add is the guy said it like he saw it and left the sport on his terms, he earns my respect for that.

[Crasherfromwayback]

You're over thinking it.
as talented as we was, he was a whining little cunt who didn't get everything his way like he wanted so he left.



Lol. And the others don't? How's Cruthlows comments this season? Swapping tyre brands mid season ring any bells too? He's a huge loss to the sport, and never seeing him go head to head with MM is one of the worst bits.

[BoristheBiter]

there are a couple of TV series about young motocrossers, and thier family, the commitment required,

they are on youtube, inside the outdoors, and Supercross Behind the dream

That would have to be one of the best doco series i have seen.
Puts it all the pressure into perspective.

[tigertim20]

Lol. And the others don't? How's Cruthlows comments this season? Swapping tyre brands mid season ring any bells too? He's a huge loss to the sport, and never seeing him go head to head with MM is one of the worst bits.

yup sure they all whine - but they dont all leave when they dont get their own way.
Agree that not getting to see him and MM battle is shit!

[Crasherfromwayback]

yup sure they all whine - but they dont all leave when they dont get their own way.
!

Maybe not. But Rossi threatened to! And Stoner didn't leave because he didn't get his own way mate. He'd simply had enough. What's wrong with that? Least he didn't throw in the towel 1/3 way into the season because he got hurt like Schwantz. Would've been really easy for him to have done the same after mashing his ankle to bits at Indy! But no...he raced with a severe injury that'd cripple most cunts Doohan style and came back to win more races before quitting. Only cunt I've never seen/heard whinge so far is MM. But looks like we ain't ever gonna see him vs Stoner. Poos to that!

http://motomatters.com/news/2014/04/17/casey_stoner_i_miss_racing_but_not_enoug.html?utm_ source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MotoGPMatters+%28MotoMatters% 29

[cowpoos]

This is the best most sensible thoughts on the subject I have ever read about this topic and comes in the middle of the discussion regarding his up bringing from his parents.



" The fact that he left when he did makes me wonder if he lived their dream, or his dream. I have to think it if was his dream, he would still be doing it.

I can't fathom not racing a motorcycle. I have had plenty of good excuses/reasons for walking away, but i can't. It is almost like it is a part of me. And it costs me a lot of my own money. Stoner was getting paid millions to do it, and one could say his reasons for leaving were weak.

His reasons for quitting were things that somebody like me/us would just laugh at and go on, because we don't want to quit. But if he was living somebody else's dream, then those reasons are good enough for him to justify quitting."


I guess at least he made his parents as well as himself extremelly rich financually.



A Talking heads song something to do with " Burning down the house" springs to mind for some reason here Pritch.


Casey left MotoGP...because he had such enormous talent and skill, whinny attention seeking cocks like Shaun Harris et al, who bitched about him for years and years [like you have Shaun...among the shit you bitch about]...bitched about him so much he got sick of it.. Because they could not handle his vast skill [that he could back up] and his no tolerance of motorbike tall poppy syndrome bullshit. Why would put up with that shit?? He would be the only racer that would be able to be close to MM [not saying he would be better]...

I find this thread such a crock of crap because of your attitude towards him in the past and your attitude to any talented rider in this country that wants nothing to do with you...

I do think you to a great job of the ones you work with though.

[Wingnut]

He left cause he wanted to.... Its a fucken free world aint it? Fuck, it had been his life for the past 10 odd years..... I'd be over it at that stage with having to deal with two faced prima donnas like Rossi etc

Regardless... Have you not seen his wife???? Why the fuck would you go anywhere with that in the sack beside ya. Sure beats Uccio :killingme

[MVnut]

He left cause he wanted to.... Its a fucken free world aint it? Fuck, it had been his life for the past 10 odd years..... I'd be over it at that stage with having to deal with two faced prima donnas like Rossi etc

Regardless... Have you not seen his wife???? Why the fuck would you go anywhere with that in the sack beside ya. Sure beats Uccio :killingme:rofl: He gave up because he couldn't handle being a pro racer any more, simple as that. He sure has some talent but I don't miss him, 2014 is plenty exciting and I sure don't miss his attitude

[tigertim20]

Least he didn't throw in the towel 1/3 way into the season because he got hurt like Schwantz. Would've been really easy for him to have done the same after mashing his ankle to bits at Indy! But no...he raced with a severe injury that'd cripple most cunts Doohan style and came back to win more races before quitting. Only cunt I've never seen/heard whinge so far is MM. But looks like we ain't ever gonna see him vs Stoner. Poos to that!

http://motomatters.com/news/2014/04/17/casey_stoner_i_miss_racing_but_not_enoug.html?utm_ source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MotoGPMatters+%28MotoMatters% 29

Didnt stoner walk away crying half way through a season and miss 3-4 races? Claimed he had become lactose intolerant overnight more or less when he decided to come back or something . . .:rolleyes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Didnt stoner walk away crying half way through a season and miss 3-4 races? Claimed he had become lactose intolerant overnight more or less when he decided to come back or something . . .:rolleyes:

Lol. You need to get your anti Stoner goggles off bro. You're looking a bit G.A.Y.

[BMWST?]

Didnt stoner walk away crying half way through a season and miss 3-4 races? Claimed he had become lactose intolerant overnight more or less when he decided to come back or something . . .:rolleyes:

He came back and won a world championship.

[tigertim20]

Lol. You need to get your anti Stoner goggles off bro. You're looking a bit G.A.Y.
resorting to personal insults? lame. Just pointed out that he DID leave mid season, after you pointed others out for the same.
never doubted his talent, but im entitled to think he's a cunt, just as youre entitled to like him. Great, awesome rider, but a cock.

He came back and won a world championship.

yep he did - as above was just pointing out an error in the above fanboy's earlier post

Least he didn't throw in the towel 1/3 way into the season because he got hurt like Schwantz.

[Crasherfromwayback]

resorting to personal insults? lame. Just pointed out that he DID leave mid season, after you pointed others out for the same.
never doubted his talent, but im entitled to think he's a cunt, just as youre entitled to like him. Great, awesome rider, but a cock


Fuck off. If I wanted to resort to personal insults you'd see far fruitier language! Stoner never left mid season. He was seriuosly ill. He got himself sorted and came back. Is there something wrong with that? Seriously. Are you that anti that you can't see the truth? And I assume you're calling me a *fanboi*?

Yes? What do Rossi's nuts taste like? Poos?

[Tazz]

The dude who has been top checkout operator at the local Woolworths for the last 4 months in a row quit last week. Think I might go nuts publicly and try and pressure him back into his job...

Fawk ever being a sports 'professional' with all this crap floating around in the wings. It's a wonder more don't quit. He's just a dude doing whatever makes him happiest at this point in time in his life. Good on him as I'm sure it's taken a fair amount of work to be in a position to do so =)


Didnt stoner walk away crying half way through a season and miss 3-4 races? Claimed he had become lactose intolerant overnight more or less when he decided to come back or something . . .:rolleyes:

Have a google. You can pretty much become lactose intolerant at any time in your life, and yes it can completely mess your body up as you try and figure out WTF is going wrong with it.
You can hold whatever opinion you like on how bad it could be, but it is something that does happen.

[avgas]

When a joy becomes a task, your passion will become poo.

[Shaun Harris]

Casey left MotoGP...because he had such enormous talent and skill, whinny attention seeking cocks like Shaun Harris et al, who bitched about him for years and years [like you have Shaun...among the shit you bitch about]...bitched about him so much he got sick of it.. Because they could not handle his vast skill [that he could back up] and his no tolerance of motorbike tall poppy syndrome bullshit. Why would put up with that shit?? He would be the only racer that would be able to be close to MM [not saying he would be better]...

I find this thread such a crock of crap because of your attitude towards him in the past and your attitude to any talented rider in this country that wants nothing to do with you...

I do think you to a great job of the ones you work with though.








O yea that's write I forgot he gets on here reads the crap WE all do spout on occasions, ( Yep I have said I do not like him, Must have been in similar threads where I have also said Dam he is special fast) sorry Casey My Bad hope your spirit has not been badly dented buddy.

Also best I get in touch with the talented ones I do help then and let them know you reminded me that they do not actually want any real advise from some one that has the history knoledge and contacts for them to use to go forward with, ( Best for them to just ask an arm chair expert that has read this and that and quote (well without quoting) if ya know what I mean as well as cancell the booking to help a real star ( I think he is) work on his riding style. Would hate for them to waste a dollar on me when they could have the internet for free buddy.

Funny how some people hold grudges in life eh to the extent they can spend another 5 minutes typing some thing negative once again years after the first instance real horse had bolted and under the pretence that they really have a genuine concern.

Seriously though, Thankyou very much for the compliment it means so much coming from you Ryan, hope your relationship and work are going well for you.

[awa355]

How sad to see a thread dedicated to racing motorbikes ( what we all dream of doing ) being dragged down to personal insults.

Any professional rider who quits at any stage does it for reasons best known to himself. There has been many drivers/riders whos personality I couldn't cotton to, ( Stoner was one ) but I've always admired and respected their skills.

Anyone who goes racing gives me a lot of enjoyment. As a kid at the Ardmore Grand Prix I used to feel sorry for the racer who came last. Now, I'd give anything to be finishing last on a motorbike.

I have today off, so I'm riding my scooter out to Oparua later to watch the Enduro racing. Dont know any body competing, but it's watching and listening to motorbikes all day. Gotta be good.

[Shaun Harris]

How sad to see a thread dedicated to racing motorbikes ( what we all dream of doing ) being dragged down to personal insults.

Any professional rider who quits at any stage does it for reasons best known to himself. There has been many drivers/riders whos personality I couldn't cotton to, ( Stoner was one ) but I've always admired and respected their skills.

Anyone who goes racing gives me a lot of enjoyment. As a kid at the Ardmore Grand Prix I used to feel sorry for the racer who came last. Now, I'd give anything to be finishing last on a motorbike.

I have today off, so I'm riding my scooter out to Oparua later to watch the Enduro racing. Dont know any body competing, but it's watching and listening to motorbikes all day. Gotta be good.





sorry for my part in that

[eelracing]

Fuck off. If I wanted to resort to personal insults you'd see far fruitier language! Stoner never left mid season. He was seriuosly ill. He got himself sorted and came back. Is there something wrong with that? Seriously. Are you that anti that you can't see the truth? And I assume you're calling me a *fanboi*?

Yes? What do Rossi's nuts taste like? Poos?

I'll have a dozen mac's malt thanx pete...none of that stieny shit either.

[tigertim20]

Fuck off. If I wanted to resort to personal insults you'd see far fruitier language! Stoner never left mid season. He was seriuosly ill. He got himself sorted and came back. Is there something wrong with that? Seriously. Are you that anti that you can't see the truth? And I assume you're calling me a *fanboi*?

Yes? What do Rossi's nuts taste like? Poos?

I don't gravitate towards any one racer in particular. Some I like, some I dont. - interesting though that you have a mild hissy fit anytime some one dares to suggest your favourite wee fella is a dick! - take your tongue out of stoner's ass and you might see that!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I don't gravitate towards any one racer in particular. Some I like, some I dont. - interesting though that you have a mild hissy fit anytime some one dares to suggest your favourite wee fella is a dick! - take your tongue out of stoner's ass and you might see that!

Let's get something real clear. If I was to lick Stoner butt...it'd be Mrs Stoners. I don't throw a hissy fit if you slag Stoner off becuase you think I love him. It's because I think you're talking shit is all. I'd do the same if I thought you were talking shit about Doohan, Rainey or any other racer. If I think you're talking shit...I tell you. If you call me out for talking shit and it turns out I am, I'll own it and say "my bad, sorry 'bout that!"