Problem with expired temporary imported motorbike

[timpel_800]

Helle guys,


Back in 2007 I shipped my Moto Guzzi NTX to New Zealand to ride it around the Islands while I was here on a working holiday.
But my dad passed away and I had to return home to take care after my family. I left within 24 hours and left everything at a friends house. Including the bike.
Now I've come back to complete my trip, we have got three months, of which I spend two weeks working on the bike to get it back on the road, and I now want to register it, but I'm running into problems.

The bike was when I first got it here on a Temporary Import Entry. This would last for a year.
This as you understand is now expired. I've paid the duty and now the bike is fully imported according to customs.

The bike is in very good condition, so I don't expect any problems regarding WOF and REG, but the paperwork is the issue.
The guy at VTNZ was not very helpfull (I was there more than a week ago and he said he was going to ring me back).
He said the bike has to be vinned, but since it is only for two months, it might not be worth it (he reckons it's gonna cost $800,-).
This half what the bike it worth.
Time is also slipping away from our precious holiday time and I'm getting a bit frustrated. I went back to VTNZ and asked if he had made the call to Wellington but he only said: I was gonna ring you wasn't I?

We have now come to the idea of swapping number plates of a friends bike but I'm not really into that actually.

I would not mind spending some time to get it Vinned, but 800 dollars is out of my reach.
Anyone knows what it really costs? Or other suggestions?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Tim

[JimO]

We have now come to the idea of swapping number plates of a friends bike but I'm not really into that actually.


do it.........

[ellipsis]

do it.....

[Hashbandicoot]

do it...

...also you could try the AA instead of VTNZ. In my area when I was trying to get my license and some lessons sorted VTNZ were almost useless, AA sorted it in minutes.

[BoristheBiter]

The cost is around $800 for the check and vinz #, plus WOF and reg cost.
The fine will be $150, plus demerits, but they might be a dick and make you get it towed.

But that's if you get caught.

Just speak to them in Nederlands or some other language, pretend to not know, and they will more than likely let you off.

[timpel_800]

Thanks for the replies.
I also made that calculation Boris, that is indeed a good way to think about it.

I will definitely consider the numberplate swapping. Thanks, that's got my mood up again :)!

[macka77]

Thanks for the replies.
I also made that calculation Boris, that is indeed a good way to think about it.

I will definitely consider the numberplate swapping. Thanks, that's got my mood up again :)!

So if you get a ticket for any reason would the cops remove the plate from the bike? if so you would be screwed

[timpel_800]

If we are swapping the plates, we are also going to fix a little aluminium frame plate on which we stamp some things like the year and the model :)

[Madness]

Do it.

The Dutch have always been good forgers.

[FJRider]

After looking at the police programe on TV they only prevent unregistered and warranted vehicles from being driven if they are found to be unsafe as well. Is there a fine for vehicles being unvinned as we'll?

To get Registration it needs to have current Vin check. To get a WOF ... it needs a current registration license label.

The applicable fine for not displaying either is (I think) $250 for each offense.

Actions of the Highway Patrol Officer roadside rely a lot on his/her discretion at the time.

Having plates fitted that are not applicable to his bike ... will not enhance this discretion in any way. And possibly drop his friend in the shit too ...

[Ocean1]

If we are swapping the plates, we are also going to fix a little aluminium frame plate on which we stamp some things like the year and the model :)

Wouldn't bother. As I understand it you've got a plate but it's registration isn't current?

In which case while your chances of being caught are the same with the expired or swapped plate the cost of being caught with the swapped plate are much higher.

If you don't misbehave unduly you'd have to be very unlucky to be pulled over, and if you are you're on your way again with no more than a slap on the wrist.

[Madness]

To get a WOF ... it needs a current registration.

That is actually quite incorrect. To get a registration licence (rego) it needs a current WOF, not the other way around. Early start today FJ?

[timpel_800]

Maybe I should've been more clearly. If we are swapping plates, I'm going to get a new WOF and Rego for the bike! Should be not a big problem I guess. It's a moto guzzi and the bike were I get the plates from is also a Guzzi. Different model but still hard to tell the difference.

[Robbo]

Maybe I should've been more clearly. If we are swapping plates, I'm going to get a new WOF and Rego for the bike! Should be not a big problem I guess. It's a moto guzzi and the bike were I get the plates from is also a Guzzi. Different model but still hard to tell the difference.

You will need to get the WOF issued while the plate is on the original bike as they will check the VIN to see that it matches the paperwork. Once that is done then swap the plate over and update the registration, if necessary, at the AA.
Because both bikes are Guzzis i can't see you having a problem unless you are involved in an accident. If you ride safe and carefully you should be ok.:niceone:

[BigAl]

Do it esp if the plates belong to same make of bike & you'll have rego and wof for plate.

Don't ride to attract attention & you'll be sweet.

Anyway what's the worst they'll do? Deport you:cool:

[timpel_800]

You will need to get the WOF issued while the plate is on the original bike as they will check the VIN to see that it matches the paperwork. Once that is done then swap the plate over and update the registration, if necessary, at the AA.
Because both bikes are Guzzis i can't see you having a problem unless you are involved in an accident. If you ride safe and carefully you should be ok.:niceone:


The original bike is in pieces so hard to get that one WOF issued :)
The bike is a 1989 built so it has no VIN number but a chassis number. We are going to duplicate the chassis number on a aluminium plate and mount it to my bike (my bike has also the details on a alu plate riveted on the frame). Then get a WOF and a rego.
Sounds okay?

[FJRider]

Maybe I should've been more clearly. If we are swapping plates, I'm going to get a new WOF and Rego for the bike! Should be not a big problem I guess. It's a moto guzzi and the bike were I get the plates from is also a Guzzi. Different model but still hard to tell the difference.

All the details of the bike the plates belong to ... come up on the computer when the WOF is done. If the tester notes the different details to what he has in front of him ... <_<

Get a WOF on your mates Guzzi before you swap plates. And get it's rego up to date if you can.

[timpel_800]

so I'm not able to get a WOF for a friend? Or for example my girlfriend? You have to be there in person?

[Tazz]

If you're going to do it, just do it man. Posting up the details on the internet about it probably isn't going to do you any favours about keeping it on the down low ;)

Enjoy the trip!

[Tazz]

so I'm not able to get a WOF for a friend? Or for example my girlfriend? You have to be there in person?

Anyone can get a WOF or register/license any vehicle :yes:

[timpel_800]

If you're going to do it, just do it man. Posting up the details on the internet about it probably isn't going to do you any favours about keeping it on the down low ;)

Enjoy the trip!

Your're right. We live in a village.
thanks, will do !

[FJRider]

so I'm not able to get a WOF for a friend? Or for example my girlfriend? You have to be there in person?

The vehicle that you are getting a WOF for has to be there "In person". They test it .. not you.

[ellipsis]

Anyway what's the worst they'll do? Deport you:cool:

...or even worse, make you stay...

[russd7]

Maybe I should've been more clearly. If we are swapping plates, I'm going to get a new WOF and Rego for the bike! Should be not a big problem I guess. It's a moto guzzi and the bike were I get the plates from is also a Guzzi. Different model but still hard to tell the difference.
if they do the wof properly they will check the chassis number against the reg plate, better off gettin ya mates bike wof and reg then doin swap

[BMWST?]

the original bike is in pieces so hard to get that one wof issued :)
the bike is a 1989 built so it has no vin number but a chassis number. We are going to duplicate the chassis number on a aluminium plate and mount it to my bike (my bike has also the details on a alu plate riveted on the frame). Then get a wof and a rego.
Sounds okay?




get a wof on your mates guzzi before you swap plates. And get it's rego up to date if you can.


if they do the wof properly they will check the chassis number against the reg plate, better off gettin ya mates bike wof and reg then doin swap

his mates bike is in peices!

[FJRider]

his mates bike is in peices!

Put mates bike plates on ... book/take in for WOF at a busy time of day ... (chances are ... it wont be closely checked) places that do cars AND bikes ...

[Akzle]

dont bother vinning it. (if its not in the cop-puter, they cant do feckall, legally.)
Ill have it when you leave.

[Big Dog]

Just a thought but, no wof or reg is petty misdemeanour type stuff. Max problem is fines and no insurance in the event of a crash. Conversion is a criminal act. I know at least 2 people who have spent time at the leisure of her majesty for conversion. One was in a stolen car with legit plates transferred. The other was on his own bike riding on the rego of his crashed bike. As a second time offender ( previous shoplifting charge) he did not qualify for diversion. You would also be uninsured in the event of a crash.


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[Big Dog]

Conversion may be the wrong term given you are not depriving anyone o their legitimate claim to property but it is fraud.


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[FJRider]

Conversion may be the wrong term given you are not depriving anyone o their legitimate claim to property but it is fraud.


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Your signature on ALL the forms declare the stated particulars are true and correct. (and worded to that effect)

Making a false declaration is then the charge if court action is taken against you.

[Big Dog]

Your signature on ALL the forms declare the stated particulars are true and correct. (and worded to that effect)

Making a false declaration is then the charge if court action is taken against you.

This is criminal offence yes?


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[Laava]

Maybe I should've been more clearly. If we are swapping plates, I'm going to get a new WOF and Rego for the bike! Should be not a big problem I guess. It's a moto guzzi and the bike were I get the plates from is also a Guzzi. Different model but still hard to tell the difference.

You get caught doing that and it will be a prosecution. You still have the dutch plate? Give it a clean, bung it on and finish your trip. Try not to speed and you will not get pulled over. Even if you do, tell the truth, most decent cops will point out the best roads for you to be on and send you on your way. Enjoy your trip!

[FJRider]

This is criminal offence yes?


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Giving false or misleading information is liable for a fine of no more than $1000 ..

Fitting plates to a vehicle for which it is not authorized will get you 25 demerits ... (probably a fine too)

[timpel_800]

You get caught doing that and it will be a prosecution. You still have the dutch plate? Give it a clean, bung it on and finish your trip. Try not to speed and you will not get pulled over. Even if you do, tell the truth, most decent cops will point out the best roads for you to be on and send you on your way. Enjoy your trip!


I'm not so worried about getting pulled over. I usually drive pretty normal. Main thing I'm worrying about is the fact that the rego plate says 2008 and that when I park ik somewhere in town the parking-guy will give me a fine

[BoristheBiter]

I'm not so worried about getting pulled over. I usually drive pretty normal. Main thing I'm worrying about is the fact that the rego plate says 2008 and that when I park ik somewhere in town the parking-guy will give me a fine

Like where is he going to send it?

Don't fit the other plates.
The most you will get if stopped is $100 for no reg, they will not impound your bike.

Have a good time while you are here and don't sweat the small stuff.

[Hashbandicoot]

The applicable fine for not displaying either is (I think) $250 for each offense.

So if my rego information is behind the license plate obscured from view I could get fined? I would ask where else am I supposed to put it?

[FJRider]

So if my rego information is behind the license plate obscured from view I could get fined? I would ask where else am I supposed to put it?

The charge is Not displaying the labels ... so if it is not in sight ... YES you can and many have.

You can get License label holders that can bolt on beneath your plate (or elsewhere)

And NO WOF or Rego label displayed is $200 for each ...

[Big Dog]

The charge is Not displaying You can get License label holders that can bolt on beneath your plate (or elsewhere)

Last time I got one it was free with rego transaction at VTNZ. if you ask how to attach they normally offer some double sided tape pre cut to the same size as the label or one of these aluminium and Perspex jobbies. I have had about 5 or 6 this way. Never paid. Or they are about $10 from a bike shop.


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[FJRider]

Last time I got one it was free with rego transaction at VTNZ. if you ask how to attach they normally offer some double sided tape pre cut to the same size as the label or one of these aluminium and Perspex jobbies. I have had about 5 or 6 this way. Never paid. Or they are about $10 from a bike shop.




Very true ... I've never paid for one yet ...

You become parking warden bait if either (or both) labels are not displayed.

[russd7]

dont have the warrants on either of my bikes displayed and have never had an issue, the one on the zzr is in the locked front pocket and the one for the wing is stuck on the inside of the trunk lid, have always been able to present when pulled up and only comment i have ever got from cops is that im old school, those that lived in central north island and had bikes in the 70's and early 80's may understand why this was a necessary thing to do, just never stopped doin it and never caused any issues for me

[timpel_800]

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[FJRider]

You would have a problem with parking wardens though.

Avoid car parks where payment is required ... problem solved.

[hayd3n]

I thought the fine was $200 for no reg and $200 for no warrant.

$100 each and 35 demerits each , well thats what i paid last time lol

[Big Dog]

I think the logic of giving demerits needs to be challenged in court as I was under the impression that the intent of a demerit was to provide motivation to drive/ride safer or loose your licence which for no reg/wof is nonsense.
I think the logic is that if you cannot keep your vehicle properly licensed and warranted you are not a fit and proper person to be using the road.
To get your license confiscated for this offence alone you would need to be caught 6 times.
History indicates that the sort of person who would get caught 6 times in two years is a recidivist offender who is better off our roads. Especially long piece of rope given the extremely low detection rates for this offence in this country.

This is only likely to be an issue for people who are already one ticket away from losing their licence.



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[Madness]

Some of you lot need to read this... www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/offences-penalties/demerit.html#vehicle

[Madness]

That does not explain the logic why the NZTA considers no reg/wof a dangerous driving/riding offense.

The NZTA only do what the gubbermint task them with by way of passing laws & regulations, oh and what the cat food people tell them to do as well. I get the feeling you're about to head off on another idiotic tangent. :facepalm:

[Madness]

Are you not aware that debate of laws is a common topic of discussion on this website? Just because you believe its wrong to question the logic of laws it does not mean everyone else feels the same way. You have never heard the saying the law is an ass I am guessing.

Try to gain an understanding of the laws you're questioning first and you might seem (slightly) less of a pillock. Lots of laws don't make a lot of sense to me but then I read one of your posts and it all seems pretty sensible all of a sudden.

[Conquiztador]

Is the bike still in the system overseas? Can a license (rego) be attained from there?

[avgas]

Do it.
But most of all - watch yourself. Don't look like a dick on the bike and the cops will leave you alone.
Contrary to most beliefs - if your a good sort (don't speed etc) the cops generally leave you alone.

I once went through a compulsory check (alcohol) with no license, on a bike too big for me, with the girlfriend on the back, bike had no rego or wof but was clean and tidy.
Cop told me to take it easy and to make sure I didn't attract any attention.

Other times I was being a dick, when the cop pulled me over I kept being a dick....end result was I got more than I deserved.

So take it easy, enjoy the scenery and have a great time.

[awayatc]

Actions of the Highway Patrol Officer roadside rely a lot on his/her discretion at the time.




Highway patrol officer and discretion ?

Tui.............

[FJRider]

... Tui.............

We don't much of the imported beers down here ... :shifty:

[jonnyk5614]

I came across a Chassis number mismatch on my old Stag at the WOF.

A Triumph Stag has a chassis no. in the passenger door jam and a body number on a plate under the bonnet. The body number isn't even listed on the build documents - the body factory use it then forget it once everything is pressed.

I was in a hurry and hadn't remembered this when the WOF guy goes "hey - my system is flagging up an incorrect chassis number". I just went "dunno guv - it is pretty hard to read aye". He went "oh well, car is fine - she is all good. People are always misreading Ds for 0s and whatnots" and passed me.

Lol