Increasing speed at intersection

[mike401]

Anyone else been booked for this? Was coming up to the lights, they turned orange an i gave it some gas, easily made the red light. Nek minnit pulled up got a ticket for increasing speed at a intersection, cop was saying he could of impounded my bike an other general bullshit. Guess my noisey exhaust did'nt do me any favours ha.

[slofox]

I suspect running the orange is akin to running the red in the rule book. Stop next time might be an idea.

[pritch]

Everybody knows that orange means you speed up. Except that the police have been on TV in the past saying that the idea is you should stop if possible and that you can be fined for not stopping.

I guess we've all done it, but if caught we should just shrug the shoulders and pay up. Anyhoo, it's a fine line between running orange and running red which is potentially deadly.

[Ender EnZed]

Haven't heard of that one before.

What does it say on the infringement notice? What's the fine/demerits?

[Akzle]

i wish my car was faster so i could run down assholes like you.

[awayatc]

You for real ?
I dont agree with all the rules...
but this is not one of those...

[awa355]

Rode code states, if the light turns orange you must come to a stop.

" A yellow signal means stop, unless you are so close to the intersection that you can't stop safely. A yellow signal indicates that the lights will soon turn red. "

In the on line road code they refer to a yellow, rather than an orange light.

[mike401]

Haven't heard of that one before.

What does it say on the infringement notice? What's the fine/demerits?

Says increasing speed at intersection, $150 fine and doesn't say any demerits.

[mike401]

i wish my car was faster so i could run down assholes like you.

Cheers cunt

[Erelyes]

Ticket is fair enough based on what you've said.

Impounding your bike blah blah blah, perhaps, but only under the Thor's hammer that is the boy racer legislation, where the cops can do you for 'unnecessary display of acceleration'. If they so much as feel like it.

Loud exhaust will (for some cops) mean an automatic fail of the attitude test no matter what you do. Just suck it up and be sugar and spice

[ICE180]

if there is a SUV up ya date and you stop they wont so It's a catch 22 for bikers
either get across safely or get rammed buy some SUV on there phone..........

It sounds like this new Red Runners campaign the cops are running

[FJRider]

I avoid Traffic Lights .... :cool:



Works for me ... :niceone:

[pritch]

where the cops can do you for 'unnecessary display of acceleration'. If they so much as feel like it.



Yeah funny, when they brought that legislation in the first local to be done for "sustained loss of traction" was a businessman with a 700hp late model Mercedes coupe. OK he had to have turned the traction control off to do his burnout, but he wasn't your average boy racer.

Also recall a case where the police charged a driver with sustained loss of traction, three seconds worth.
The driver said it was only one second.
The judge said split the difference make it two seconds. Two seconds isn't sustained anything. Dismissed.

I guess those particular cops will have learned their lesson. Now they think of a number then double it. :whistle:

[Maha]

Never been booked for it but I am guilty for doing it on a few occasions...mainly out of frustration that the light phase lets 2-3 cars through and when vehicle at the front takes a while to register that it's a green, that's where my frustration stems from.

[FJRider]

Never been booked for it but I am guilty for doing it on a few occasions...mainly out of frustration that the light phase lets 2-3 cars through and when vehicle at the front takes a while to register that it's a green, that's where my frustration stems from.

So ... You run the orange ... but it's the fault of somebody else.



An interesting theory. The cop might not buy it though ... bring it up if you're stopped.

Let us know how you get on ...

[Gremlin]

I suspect running the orange is akin to running the red in the rule book. Stop next time might be an idea.
Yep, consequence is the same for both. If you are able to stop safely for orange/yellow, then you must do so. When I see the light change, I check my distance, can I stop safely, it's a quick call. If I can, next check is my mirrors, if a vehicle is right behind me I'm not stopping and will explain to anyone if I'm pulled over. However, I've seen people use the excuse on the cop shows... there was nothing behind them...

I don't like people that either ignore the light, speed up. Whether or not you made it across before it was red isn't the point.

You can look up whether the offence exists here: http://legislation.govt.nz/

[FJRider]

I've seen people use the excuse on the cop shows... there was nothing behind them...



Usually there was ... the cop ..

[george formby]

Also if the road is wet and you try and stop suddenly you will ether fall off or end up stopping in the middle of the intersection. In this situation risking a ticket is the cheaper option.

:niceone:Cassina, exacary what I was thinkin. That's twice our planets have been aligned recently.
I used to be a real traffic dodger in the Uk. In big citys. You do not mess with the road at intersections in the rain. When the light hits orange you look at your stopping distance & make the call.

[Maha]

So ... You run the orange ... but it's the fault of somebody else.



An interesting theory. The cop might not buy it though ... bring it up if you're stopped.

Let us know how you get on ...


Oh hell yeah, it is safe enough to use the orange light, any taxi driver and at least 50% of all other road users will back me up on that.

[Scuba_Steve]

I've found often the lines can be a tell of whether to stop or not. It's not an absolute so use your brain, but quite often the lines before lights (I'm referring more to highways) go from dashed to solid before the intersection; most the time if it goes amber before the solid you have time to stop, if after you hit solid carry on through it's gonna be the safer option.

Course the people I hate (other then the read light runners) are the ones that are gonna become more prevalent with the rollout of red light cameras, the ones that'll go hard on the brakes 100m out from intersection in 100km/h area the instant those lights go amber

[Ulsterkiwi]

so if a yellow means stop unless its not safe to do so and you had to accelerate to beat the other light which means stop then it is reasonable to think you could have stopped safely? Sound like a fair call to me, but then I wasnt there......

Interesting mindset which prevails about traffic lights, its ok for an individual commenting on here to push the limits with signals but I wonder how many of us would be willing to complain if someone else pushed those limits (ran a light) and were in traffic crossing our path? Only last week I was at an intersection and got a green light, clicked into gear, quick check either way....WHOA!! a ute comes sailing across from my right.....not nice. Slightly more extreme example I know.

I remember commenting on the habit of speeding up at yellow lights to a relative, he smiled and said:
"Green means go, yellow means go, red means have a go"

sort of says it all really :facepalm:

[Banditbandit]

Yeah - I hit a car trying to run a light - I never saw them coming - the car turned across my path on a right turn and I dumped the clutch on the green light and went straight into the side ...

But OPer .. ya got caught - pay the fine and stop moaning ..

[nodrog]

I thought the IHC stopped giving out licenses years ago?

[Hashbandicoot]

...turned orange an i gave it some gas...

...i gave it some gas

The explanation. I have found it.


...nek minnit...

Because of this I re-read your post with a Jamaican accent in my head. Watch out for babylon.

[awa355]

Got told many years ago that if the light turns orange/amber/yellow, before, or as you get to the solid line, that at the legal speed limit, you 'SHOULD' be able to stop.

[SMOKEU]

With cops like that, it's no wonder many people hate them. An infringement notice for running an amber/red light might have been fair enough in the circumstances, but increasing your speed near an intersection just sounds like a bunch of bullshit that only a cop out looking to cause shit would actually even mention.

[TheDemonLord]

I once got pinged for this in my Cage,

I wrote a rather long but polite letter to the police stating that:

they did not know the speed I was travelling at the time,

they did not know the distance from the lights my vehicle was

they did not know the braking efficiency of my car

therefore they did not have any of the necessary data points to conclude I had time to safely stop.

After several letters back and forth, the ticket was dropped.

[Ender EnZed]

I once got pinged for this in my Cage,


For increasing speed at an intersection or for failing to stop for a yellow light?

[TheDemonLord]

For increasing speed at an intersection or for failing to stop for a yellow light?

Failing to stop

[Mike.Gayner]

Got told many years ago that if the light turns orange/amber/yellow, before, or as you get to the solid line, that at the legal speed limit, you 'SHOULD' be able to stop.

I understand your sentiment, but I'm gonna go ahead and use my own judgement rather than relying on the judgement of people who paint lines on the road for a living.

[Ulsterkiwi]

With cops like that, it's no wonder many people hate them. An infringement notice for running an amber/red light might have been fair enough in the circumstances, but increasing your speed near an intersection just sounds like a bunch of bullshit that only a cop out looking to cause shit would actually even mention.

isn't that what the OP ended up getting pinged for? not responding to the controlling signals properly?

hate is a strong word, all those negative vibes dude, cant be good for your aura......

[SMOKEU]

isn't that what the OP ended up getting pinged for? not responding to the controlling signals properly?

hate is a strong word, all those negative vibes dude, cant be good for your aura......

The OP stated that the cop mentioned something about impounding the vehicle after handing out an infringement notice for "increasing speed at a intersection". That's different from failing to stop for an amber/red light.

[G4L4XY]

Had a mate jump off his bike and push it through the traffic lights up in Auckland. In amongst the pedestrians....I asked him if he ever got a ticket (surely they have red light cameras up there) but he never did.

So what I'm saying is....next time accelerate but jump off, slide along on ya boots and she'll be sweet as!

[Ulsterkiwi]

The OP stated that the cop mentioned something about impounding the vehicle after handing out an infringement notice for "increasing speed at a intersection". That's different from failing to stop for an amber/red light.

yeah the cop mentioned it but didnt actually do it. Are we going to hate people for shooting their mouth off a bit? wont leave too many options for people to like if we do, will it?

maybe the cop's pet goldfish had just died and he was having a bad day, I dunno. I don't love the cops, I do think its a bit rough that no matter what they do somebody calls 'foul!'

Bottom line is was the ticket justified or not? I think it was, the OP freely says he accelerated to beat the red, thats the complete opposite to the instruction a yellow light is giving the road user. Sucks to be him, he has a ticket to pay (or not, he can make his own mind up). I just wondered how we might react to things like this if instead we were ones sitting waiting our turn to go through the intersection and we see a vehicle accelerating across in front of us rather than trying to come to a stop.

[awa355]

In a modern car at 50 kph, how much distance does it take to pull up from 50kph?

And only an idiot drives up to a set of lights doing 50kph right to the end of the lane. If you have passed the start of the solid centre line and the light turns orange, surely you would start preparing to come to a stop?

[AllanB]

'Increasing speed at a intersection' - surely you would need to be exceeding the speed limit at the intersection otherwise every time I take off from a red light as it turns green I'd be 'increasing speed at a intersection'. If you had been doing 40 and increased to 50 you'd still be OK 'speed' wise.

Road code says yellow light ...... hmmmm wonder what the law book states. Orange or Amber is not yellow .......:rolleyes:

It puts the shits up me when I sneak through a orange light thinking 'I should have stopped' and look in the rear mirror to still see cars coming through the same very very red light!

[BoristheBiter]

Also if the road is wet and you try and stop suddenly you will ether fall off or end up stopping in the middle of the intersection. In this situation risking a ticket is the cheaper option.

Then you shouldn't be going so fast.

If you can't stop without dropping your bike in the wet you should find another means of transport, maybe try walking.

[SMOKEU]

yeah the cop mentioned it but didnt actually do it. Are we going to hate people for shooting their mouth off a bit? wont leave too many options for people to like if we do, will it?

maybe the cop's pet goldfish had just died and he was having a bad day, I dunno. I don't love the cops, I do think its a bit rough that no matter what they do somebody calls 'foul!'

Bottom line is was the ticket justified or not? I think it was, the OP freely says he accelerated to beat the red, thats the complete opposite to the instruction a yellow light is giving the road user. Sucks to be him, he has a ticket to pay (or not, he can make his own mind up). I just wondered how we might react to things like this if instead we were ones sitting waiting our turn to go through the intersection and we see a vehicle accelerating across in front of us rather than trying to come to a stop.

I didn't say I hate the cops. But from the way the cop sounded like he was acting, I can understand why many people in NZ have a low opinion of the police, especially the ones in traffic enforcement.

[rustyrobot]

Road code says yellow light ...... hmmmm wonder what the law book states. Orange or Amber is not yellow .......:rolleyes:


Well, I attempted to find something in the legislation that refers to this alleged offence and came up empty. Didn't find any mention of light colour, and they call them a 'traffic signal device'.

Pretty much everything can be covered by this though I would have thought:

8. Drivers not to be careless or inconsiderate
A person may not drive a vehicle, or cause a vehicle to be driven, carelessly or without reasonable consideration for other persons

[mike401]

saw about 5 cars guilty of the same offense today, but i guess 5 wrongs don't make a right, i'm sure that cop just hated bikes though.

[FJRider]

saw about 5 cars guilty of the same offense today, but i guess 5 wrongs don't make a right, i'm sure that cop just hated bikes though.

That just makes you unlucky ... and regardless how many have done it in the past and not get caught ... you did get caught.

Such is life ... get over it ..

[FJRider]

Well, I attempted to find something in the legislation that refers to this alleged offence and came up empty. Didn't find any mention of light colour, and they call them a 'traffic signal device'.



It's really simple ... you must stop for an amber light unless it is unsafe to do so in time before it turns red.

If you have the need to speed up to get through on the amber ... then you must have time to stop.

[Erelyes]

They are cracking down on orange/red running lately anyway. Often a cop posted at one of the intersections that show poorly in crash stats, taking down regos

[breakaway]

Got told many years ago that if the light turns orange/amber/yellow, before, or as you get to the solid line, that at the legal speed limit, you 'SHOULD' be able to stop.

What about the twat behind you following too closely sipping on his latte yelling at the ankle biter in the back seat?

[Ulsterkiwi]

I didn't say I hate the cops. But from the way the cop sounded like he was acting, I can understand why many people in NZ have a low opinion of the police, especially the ones in traffic enforcement.

fair enough

[Taxythingy]

What about the twat behind you following too closely sipping on his latte yelling at the ankle biter in the back seat?

That'd be the rozzers then? Guess you take your pick between being rear-ended and being shafted. Good luck with that :bleh:

[FJRider]

I understand your sentiment, but I'm gonna go ahead and use my own judgement rather than relying on the judgement of people who paint lines on the road for a living.

Using your own judgement is a fine and noble thing. And having the courage to do so ... be commended. And ... those that do ... must live with the consequences of those judgement calls. And accept responsibility for those consequences ....

The OP made a judgement call ... and got pinged $150 for it (and then bitched about it). Freedom of choice in decision making is a wonderful thing ... but often ... NOT free.

And ... you are still free to make the same judgement call. (As clearly stated in legislation)

[rastuscat]

Oh hell yeah, it is safe enough to use the orange light, any taxi driver and at least 50% of all other road users will back me up on that.

That's the problem with yellow lights.

If you're in the habit of running them, one day you run one when some other road users who uses yellows as a default right turn phase will turn across your path. They turn even after seeing you as you are supposed to stop for the yellow.

And at the same time as he's using it as a turn phase you're putting your foot down to beat the change to red.

We attend them several times each week.

That's why we enforce the bejesus out of yellow lights. So people don't think it's okay.

While you've all been grizzling about cops writing too many speeding tickets we've been hammering the shit out of traffic light offences in Chur Chur. Goldfish in a bowl, reflected in our crash stats too.

[Maha]

Truthfully, I only ever run them (orange lights) if I am to close to stop effectively/safely, which does always involve approach speed.

[rastuscat]

Traffic Regs 1976 said orange. Road User Rule 2004 says yellow. So for now it's yellow. Until it changes.

Just a point. This is my primary offence, my bread and butter, it's why we got Popo bikes back in Chur Chur. I know a thing or two about this offence.

Observation. If you have to accelerate to beat a change to red, you could and should have stopped at the yellow.

Donuts.

[Ender EnZed]

Just a point. This is my primary offence, my bread and butter, it's why we got Popo bikes back in Chur Chur. I know a thing or two about this offence.


What's the difference between "increasing speed at intersection" and "failing to stop for a yellow"?

[FJRider]

What's the difference between "increasing speed at intersection" and "failing to stop for a yellow"?

"Failing to stop for a yellow" is not a traffic offense.

Running a RED is ... as is not stopping for the yellow "When it was safe to do so" ... IS.

The last line in post #43 and #51 explains it clearly ...

[Maha]

Traffic Regs 1976 said orange. Road User Rule 2004 says yellow. So for now it's yellow. Until it changes.

Just a point. This is my primary offence, my bread and butter, it's why we got Popo bikes back in Chur Chur. I know a thing or two about this offence.

Observation. If you have to accelerate to beat a change to red, you could and should have stopped at the yellow.

Donuts.

Scenario: You are sitting on you popo bike at a right turning red arrow, a vehicle to your left goes through a ''yellow'' light, but it changed when said vehicle was 3-4mts from the lights, what would be your personal response to that?

[Scuba_Steve]

That's the problem with yellow lights.

If you're in the habit of running them, one day you run one when some other road users who uses yellows as a default right turn phase will turn across your path. They turn even after seeing you as you are supposed to stop for the yellow.

And at the same time as he's using it as a turn phase you're putting your foot down to beat the change to red.

We attend them several times each week.


I've been to chch a couple times, because of the retard giveway rule we now have u guys a a few intersections where the only way to turn right is for someone to breach the road user rules so no wonder you attend so many "accidents".
In-fact visiting chch after they retarded the giveway rule I can see why u guys have so many red light runners... it's almost the only way to get a right hand turn especially when the straight through vehicles speed up at orange



Traffic Regs 1976 said orange. Road User Rule 2004 says yellow. So for now it's yellow. Until it changes.

Just a point. This is my primary offence, my bread and butter, it's why we got Popo bikes back in Chur Chur. I know a thing or two about this offence.

Observation. If you have to accelerate to beat a change to red, you could and should have stopped at the yellow.

Donuts.

So really isn't all your effort in vain? I mean if the system wasn't so corrupt there should be no way you could possibly get an offence; everyone would be let off because, well the obvious, even a 5yr old could tell you there's no yellow lights (well except maybee street lamps) they're green, red & orange ain't no yellow in that mix

[Akzle]

And ... you are still free to make the same judgement call. (As clearly stated in legislation)

i wouldnt hold legislation as the epitome of freedom...

[FJRider]

i wouldnt hold legislation as the epitome of freedom...

The choice to stop for the yellow ... or speed up before/during the red is his free choice. If he gets it wrong ... there are costs.

He has the freedom to choose ... legislation in it's wisdom ... gives him that freedom. On the assumption he'll get it right.

[Ender EnZed]

"Failing to stop for a yellow" is not a traffic offense.

Running a RED is ... as is not stopping for the yellow "When it was safe to do so" ... IS.

The last line in post #43 and #51 explains it clearly ...

The "when it is safe to do so" part is redundant in the context of my question, which is not answered at all by post #43 or #51.

From the OP's description of events it sounds like he failed to stop for a yellow light when it was safe to do so. That's not what he received a ticket for though. Instead he was ticketed for "increasing speed at intersection".

[Berries]

Scenario: You are sitting on you popo bike at a right turning red arrow, a vehicle to your left goes through a ''yellow'' light, but it changed when said vehicle was 3-4mts from the lights, what would be your personal response to that?
3-4 metres? You have to be taking the piss. Can you stop from 50km/h in that distance? It is not an offence to go through a 'yellow' light. If it was we would just have green and red.


Instead he was ticketed for "increasing speed at intersection".
Interesting that the Road User Rule states this -

4.5 Approaching and entering intersections
(1) A driver must not increase speed when approaching an intersection if any other vehicle is approaching or crossing.

I would have thought it would be a bit of a push to use that clause at traffic signals when cross traffic is on red but if there is opposing traffic about to turn right across your intended path you could possibly fall foul of this is. Especially in Christchurch.

[FJRider]

The "when it is safe to do so" part is redundant in the context of my question, which is not answered at all by post #43 or #51.

From the OP's description of events it sounds like he failed to stop for a yellow light when it was safe to do so. That's not what he received a ticket for though. Instead he was ticketed for "increasing speed at intersection".

If the light is yellow ... and it is safe to stop IN TIME before the light goes red ... you must do so. If you have to increase speed to pass the light before it goes red ... you HAVE time to stop.

Therefore ... increasing speed (instead of stopping) is clearly then illegal. And the OP was ticketed as such.

Those pesky red light cameras are a good revenue gatherer too ... if you miss judge ... just a little.

Get it wrong and plod has a chat with you. Or a bill arrives in the mail.

Get it really wrong ... and you meet somebody jumping the green light.

Judgement calls (if you do get it wrong) can be a bitch at times ...

[Ender EnZed]

Interesting that the Road User Rule states this -

4.5 Approaching and entering intersections
(1) A driver must not increase speed when approaching an intersection if any other vehicle is approaching or crossing.



That's the bit I couldn't find.


I would have thought it would be a bit of a push to use that clause at traffic signals when cross traffic is on red but if there is opposing traffic about to turn right across your intended path you could possibly fall foul of this is. Especially in Christchurch.

It definitely makes sense in that it prevents anyone being legally in the right after accelerating into someone who was doing a reasonable job of giving way. But it'd be a bit strange if you were technically meant to remain stationary when the lights turn green if an oncoming vehicle indicating to turn right was already rolling.

[Big Dog]

saw about 5 cars guilty of the same offense today, but i guess 5 wrongs don't make a right, i'm sure that cop just hated bikes though.

Have you ever been fishing? Did you catch all the fish?




Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Erelyes]

even a 5yr old could tell you there's no yellow lights (well except maybee street lamps) they're green, red & orange ain't no yellow in that mix

If you're going to be a picky cunt, they are amber.

[scracha]

It's really simple ... you must stop for an amber light unless it is unsafe to do so in time before it turns red.

If you have the need to speed up to get through on the amber ... then you must have time to stop.

What utter shite. Lights turn amber as I approach them, in many situations (pissing rain etc) it's more dangerous to hit the picks hard and I certainly don't want to risk running a red light so the SAFEST OPTION IS TO GAS IT.

You only stop at amber if it's safe to do so. Depending on work circumstances and distance to court, I'd argue this one.

[BoristheBiter]

What utter shite. Lights turn amber as I approach them, in many situations (pissing rain etc) it's more dangerous to hit the picks hard and I certainly don't want to risk running a red light so the SAFEST OPTION IS TO GAS IT.

You only stop at amber if it's safe to do so. Depending on work circumstances and distance to court, I'd argue this one.

Then you are either riding to fast or not paying attention.

I would say you will lose every time if you take it to court.

[scracha]

Then you are either riding to fast or not paying attention.
.

So if I'm cruising along at 85kmh (like most of the traffic) on the 100kmh zone on SH2 near Upper Hutt then you're saying I've to roll off the throttle every time I approach the lights just incase they turn amber? Hmm...that'll be good for traffic flow. Say the lights turn amber in the pissing rain when I'm 100m from the lights........that's a pretty hard stop. Far safer to roll on the speed a little and go through the lights at amber.

[Gremlin]

Say the lights turn amber in the pissing rain when I'm 100m from the lights........that's a pretty hard stop. Far safer to roll on the speed a little and go through the lights at amber.
You get about 3.6 seconds because you're travelling at 27.777 metres per second.

Without some sort of comparison or hard testing, I would have thought you should be able to complete that stop. Depends on you, bike, conditions blah blah, and just how far up your arse the next car is.

[BoristheBiter]

So if I'm cruising along at 85kmh (like most of the traffic) on the 100kmh zone on SH2 near Upper Hutt then you're saying I've to roll off the throttle every time I approach the lights just incase they turn amber? Hmm...that'll be good for traffic flow. Say the lights turn amber in the pissing rain when I'm 100m from the lights........that's a pretty hard stop. Far safer to roll on the speed a little and go through the lights at amber.

And if a car stops in front of you? I guess you'll just run up its arse and we'll have another biker down thread.



I agree and even if you do get a ticket it is far cheaper than risking dropping the bike. There is still extreme danger though if the intersection you are going into is say 6 lanes wide which I had to once but still made it through ok.

That's because you are inexperienced (well your posts make it seem so) and ride like a dick.

[GTRMAN]

I agree and even if you do get a ticket it is far cheaper than risking dropping the bike. There is still extreme danger though if the intersection you are going into is say 6 lanes wide which I had to once but still made it through ok.

Here's a thought, If you are scared of dropping the bike under heavy braking then perhaps you should work on your stopping technique.

[rastuscat]

You get about 3.6 seconds because you're travelling at 27.777 metres per second.

Without some sort of comparison or hard testing, I would have thought you should be able to complete that stop. Depends on you, bike, conditions blah blah, and just how far up your arse the next car is.

Yeah baby!! That's the guts of it.

So many posers on here think they are so shit hot at riding until they are expected to stop at a yellow light.

Then they get all cautious, and use their lack of braking ability to justify their false belief that they couldn't stop for the light.

All in the name of safety. Bullshit.

[Berries]

I agree and even if you do get a ticket it is far cheaper than risking dropping the bike. There is still extreme danger though if the intersection you are going into is say 6 lanes wide which I had to once but still made it through ok.
Funnily enough the speed of approaching traffic and the size of the intersection are both taken in to account when the phasing is decided on. Generally speaking the higher the approach speed the longer the amber time to allow people to get through without emergency braking. The wider the intersection the longer the all red period to make sure there is no conflicting traffic if you do enter towards the end of the amber period. If you have to accelerate to get through the intersection before it turns red then you probably weren't paying attention to the lights. Even in the wet you should be able to stop in plenty of time when the light changes without locking up the front wheel. And if you can't then you are pretty much knackered if you are following a car that does decide to stop aren't you?

All traffic signals change every few minutes, that is all they do. If you aren't familiar with the phasing then you should ride expecting them to change. Not like all those fucking idiots who slow down or even brake when coming up to a green light, who should be shot, but ready to stop if they change before you get to them. To accelerate is tempting fate with someone who is about to turn right across your bow as soon as they see the lights change and rightly expect you to stop.

Basically, if you really really believe that you have to accelerate to get through the lights and it is not just an excuse for being a lazy arse then it sounds to me like the phasing is wrong. You'd be best off ringing the council/NZTA to get them sorted rather than getting a ticket.


You get about 3.6 seconds because you're travelling at 27.777 metres per second.
Coincidentally I am looking at some signal phasing now for a crossroads with a 60km/h speed limit. The amber time is set at 4.5 seconds on all approaches.

[russd7]

Yeah baby!! That's the guts of it.

So many posers on here think they are so shit hot at riding until they are expected to stop at a yellow light.

Then they get all cautious, and use their lack of braking ability to justify their false belief that they couldn't stop for the light.

All in the name of safety. Bullshit.

funny how those candy colored cars affect driving habits at lights, was stopped a a set of lights in dunners back in march and beside me was a pretty candy colored car, next minute there was a screaching of tyres and i look around to see a ute with a young fella almost sideways at the lights, my guess is he saw an amber light and gunned it then saw the pretty car beside me and locked up, i looks over to the car and just see the officer shaking his head :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Gremlin]

funny how those candy colored cars affect driving habits at lights,
Or worse, makes no difference. Stopped at lights behind a marked car on a bike, lane to my right is right turning. Car comes sailing past me and through as it turns red. I'm hoping like hell and sure enough, on with the pretty lights and the cop goes after him.

Either, so used to running lights didn't give it a second thought, or such poor observation skills they never saw the fully marked car...

[Scuba_Steve]

Not like all those fucking idiots who slow down or even brake when coming up to a green light, who should be shot, but ready to stop if they change before you get to them.

...

Coincidentally I am looking at some signal phasing now for a crossroads with a 60km/h speed limit. The amber time is set at 4.5 seconds on all approaches.

Ironically those fucking idiots who slow for greens will often accelerate through an amber, like I've mentioned previous, it's always the slow cunts that are in such a hurry.

I hope you're not one of these people who extend red light time because of red light runners? Fucking counter productive that is

[Erelyes]

Coincidentally I am looking at some signal phasing now for a crossroads with a 60km/h speed limit. The amber time is set at 4.5 seconds on all approaches.

Is that for Cumberland St, the 1-way south?

[Berries]

was stopped a a set of lights in dunners back in march
Ha ha. Tourist.


I hope you're not one of these people who extend red light time because of red light runners?
The opposite actually, I get it reduced if a truck is approaching on the side road, just to give them a little scare.

[Gremlin]

...but would not risk a hard breaking stop for one though.
I completely agree. I hate a breaking stop. Unnecessary costs you understand.

However, I do practise how hard I can safely brake, including wet conditions as hard braking is something I consider a valuable skill.

[Big Dog]

I completely agree. I hate a breaking stop. Unnecessary costs you understand.

However, I do practise how hard I can safely brake, including wet conditions as hard braking is something I consider a valuable skill.

+1


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Berries]

I very much doubt they would increase the phase time of amber lights to allow motorcycles who could not stop in time in the wet to get through.
It would be quite odd to have traffic lights that only allow safe stopping in dry conditions for any road user. And they don't require hard braking. If you are that close that you are going to have to brake so hard that you fall off then you are too close to stop, and it should not need a quick twist of the throttle to get through.


For what it's worth the majority of Amber lights I strike in the wet I am able stop for but would not risk a hard breaking stop for one though.
That's the whole point of the amber light. You don't need to brake so hard you fall off, you are allowed to go through it but should stop if safe to do so.

[Scuba_Steve]

The opposite actually, I get it reduced if a truck is approaching on the side road, just to give them a little scare.

I likes the way you think :msn-wink: That's my idea to fix red light runners; special truck lanes that sit supertrucks with bullbars which get the green as soon as the cross gets the red :devil2:

[ducatilover]

It would be quite odd to have traffic lights that only allow safe stopping in dry conditions for any road user. And they don't require hard braking. If you are that close that you are going to have to brake so hard that you fall off then you are too close to stop, and it should not need a quick twist of the throttle to get through.


That's the whole point of the amber light. You don't need to brake so hard you fall off, you are allowed to go through it but should stop if safe to do so.

Oh no fucking way.

Cassina you flamboyant womble, how are you not aware of this? Or are you just desperately tring to justify your poor riding habits?

[bogan]

It would be quite odd to have traffic lights that only allow safe stopping in dry conditions for any road user. And they don't require hard braking. If you are that close that you are going to have to brake so hard that you fall off then you are too close to stop, and it should not need a quick twist of the throttle to get through.


That's the whole point of the amber light. You don't need to brake so hard you fall off, you are allowed to go through it but should stop if safe to do so.

I fell off stopping for a yellow once, but I was speeding, my bike had fuck all front end feel, and I hadn't practiced wet breaking :shifty:

I think this conclusively proves something, but since it hasn't happened again I'm not sure what that might be :whistle:

[Katman]

I personally would never practise hard braking on a wet road because I don't have the money to afford dropping the bike while practising like you do.

You just leave it to chance, do you?

[ducatilover]

I personally would never practise hard braking on a wet road because I don't have the money to afford dropping the bike while practising like you do. It may give you a false sense of security as there is no guarantee when you have to do a real emergency stop the road will not be more slippery than your practise stretch of road. Some of us and 2 others in this debate agree with me that risking a ticket is cheaper than risking dropping your bike and I did say I am able to stop for amber lights most of the time in the wet but I would never do it at the risk of dropping my bike.

I never practice emergency braking because I might drop my bike, so when I do emergency brake I definitely drop my bike? It's pretty piss easy to lock up the front in the wet, yes, but it's also just as easy to get teh wheel spinning again.
I used to enjoy practicing this on GN250s, because of the geometry they are very easy to lock in the wet, and easy to control. Fuckin horrid feeling 'till you get used to it.

Being better at recovering a front end slide is better than whatever the fuck your plan is

[bogan]

Fuckin horrid feeling 'till you get used to it.

What fucking feeling? Get more feels by cupping a snowmans tits through 8 pairs of mittens.

[bogan]

You take a far bigger risk riding on wet roads than dry no matter how good you claim you can brake in the wet. There will always be those on this site that claim riding on a wet road is no less safer than on a dry road and good luck to them if that's the way they think. They just need to respect the fact that others think differently.

Perhaps you should invest in a brolly and a bus pass dear...

The issue is not the difference between wet/dry, it is how the rider addresses such a difference, accelerating to get through yellows instead of stopping is a fucking retarded solution to this issue.

[ducatilover]

What fucking feeling? Get more feels by cupping a snowmans tits through 8 pairs of mittens. Are you actually an engineer? :nya:


Perhaps you should invest in a brolly and a bus pass dear...

The issue is not the difference between wet/dry, it is how the rider addresses such a difference, accelerating to get through yellows instead of stopping is a fucking retarded solution to this issue.

Nah, according to Cassina, you don't need to know how to ride to ride. Or summat. Or practice kills?

[bogan]

Are you actually an engineer? :nya:



Nah, according to Cassina, you don't need to know how to ride to ride. Or summat. Or practice kills?

I prefer the term imagineer :bleh:



Hmm, perhaps she was so busy talking rubbish she misheard the more adviceful advice of 'practice skills' so you aren't caught lacking when you need em.

[ducatilover]

I prefer the term imagineer :bleh:



Hmm, perhaps she was so busy talking rubbish she misheard the more adviceful advice of 'practice skills' so you aren't caught lacking when you need em.

Oh, if Cassina is a woman, that explains everything. Probably used to slipping up on the freshly mopped kitchen floor.

[Gremlin]

Or summat. Or practice kills?
Practise breaks.

Apparently.

[sil3nt]

2 other posters as well as me think differently and if you read my post again I said I am able to stop in MOST cases at amber lights in the wet. Maybe you would think the idea is not so retarded if you lost it braking hard in the wet at the lights too.Maybe you wouldn't be posting shit if you actually went out and discovered how hard you can actually brake in the wet. You might be surprised.

[bogan]

2 other posters as well as me think differently and if you read my post again I said I am able to stop in MOST cases at amber lights in the wet. Maybe you would think the idea is not so retarded if you lost it braking hard in the wet at the lights too.

Too? Have you lost it when braking hard in the wet then?

And no, the laws of physics dictate it is a retarded idea, either you will make it all the way through at your current velocity before the other traffic moves into the intersection, or you can stop safely; accelerating for the yellow is never the safest option.

[ducatilover]

2 other posters as well as me think differently and if you read my post again I said I am able to stop in MOST cases at amber lights in the wet. Maybe you would think the idea is not so retarded if you lost it braking hard in the wet at the lights too.

But nobody said you had to stop in a hurry.

[sil3nt]

I quite frankly don't give a dam if you guys feel wet road riding does not impair stopping distances but even the NZTA in their safety bulletins state otherwise so they must be talking shit too eh!!Where did I say wet weather does not impair stopping distances? I am suggesting that you are grossly underestimating how hard you can brake in wet conditions.

[Erelyes]

I personally would never practise hard braking on a wet road because I don't have the money to afford dropping the bike while practising like you do. It may give you a false sense of security as there is no guarantee when you have to do a real emergency stop the road will not be more slippery than your practise stretch of road. Some of us and 2 others in this debate agree with me that risking a ticket is cheaper than risking dropping your bike and I did say I am able to stop for amber lights most of the time in the wet but I would never do it at the risk of dropping my bike.

The whole idea of practicing braking is not to 'find the limit' but to learn how to read what the bike is telling you as you approach it.

Yes, it's a similar concept between dry and wet weather braking.

Yet wet weather braking has its own nuances, and to not practice it out of fear, is just an admission you haven't a clue where the limit would be anyway.

[bogan]

some of us do not care to find out especially on wet roads.

What exactly is your approach then? don't bother trying to stop at all? or is it the brolly and bus pass option?

[bogan]

Yes that's right if I am so close to the intersection where I feel I would come off if I tried to stop I just don't bother trying unless of course there is a vehicle in my path.

and how hard will you try and stop if a vehicle is in your path? In such a situation you would want to stop as hard as possible, surely?

[GTRMAN]

and how hard will you try and stop if a vehicle is in your path? In such a situation you would want to stop as hard as possible, surely?

Come on Bogan, there is no point arguing with Cassina. You may as well shout at windmills.

Cassina, by all means ride in whatever manner suites you. But please do not offer advice on subjects you patently have no clue about. Every rider should know exactly how fast they can stop their bike, on as many different road surfaces as possible. The way you talk it is only a matter of time before you end up a hood ornament or a wet patch on someone's boot lid

[R650R]

I doubt this law gets used very often, would be pretty hard to properly enforce...
If we're going to have stuff like this they should add people who late brake at lights already red on their side and get off on making other traffic stop.
The junction of Links and Pakowhai/SH2 is good for this, you see the sick smirk of some saddo all gleeful that they made a big truck slam on its brakes for the lights, makes you think to hell with it maybe run the yellow next time...
There seesm to be a massive inconsistency of light phasing around the country, I see someone stated something about size of intersection etc but there should be set standard and no instant sensor triggering of reds on major through routes like when trying to go round the old Hamilton bypass...
We should do away with traffic light enforcement and just treat them as a guide as no ones really being saved by the halfway behaviour at moment, just look at how cautious people are when there are broken.

[Gremlin]

If I wanted to avoid impact I would stop as hard as possible but why risk coming off just practising on a wet road?
With that idea in mind... how exactly did you start riding? :scratch:

[Mom]

Take a taxi in Auckland, the drivers here slow down for green traffic lights in the hope they turn orange/yellow and they can stop :lol:

[bogan]

If I wanted to avoid impact I would stop as hard as possible but why risk coming off just practising on a wet road?

Cos it is the lower risk, knowing how to ride mitigates more risks than any risk involved in learning. In this case not knowing how to stop as quick as possible results in only one thing, a longer stopping distance.


Come on Bogan, there is no point arguing with Cassina. You may as well shout at windmills.

Cassina, by all means ride in whatever manner suites you. But please do not offer advice on subjects you patently have no clue about. Every rider should know exactly how fast they can stop their bike, on as many different road surfaces as possible. The way you talk it is only a matter of time before you end up a hood ornament or a wet patch on someone's boot lid

Yeh, but my flatmates look at me funny when I do that, and I don't think the sounds carries as far as the windmills either...

[Erelyes]

The whole idea of practicing braking is not to 'find the limit'


You have overlooked the fact the road surface can have an influence on your braking limit

Wait... what? That's the crux of the whole argument. That's the whole freakin' topic - that grip can vary and we should practice braking on various grip levels accordingly.

Whatever, you keep doing your ostrich thing and stick (!) to dry riding

[bogan]

I am not offering advise but am simply saying what works for me.

Let's be honest though, your approaches haven't been working all that well, how many accidents have you been in so far?

[ducatilover]

I am not offering advise but am simply saying what works for me. If everyone knew the exact stopping distance of their vehicle on any surface there would be no accidents now would there? I think you are kidding yourself if you think you can predict your stopping distance in any situation and with your way of thinking you might be the one becoming the hood ornament. To say you know your exact stopping distance does that include on icy roads as well?

So, don't practice controlling your braking? Ever? Panic braking and lowsiding in to a car is bad ass, stopping or avoiding a car is for faggots and wimps

[ducatilover]

Let's be honest though, your approaches haven't been working all that well, how many accidents have you been in so far?
Conception.
Birth.

Two major ones so far

[Berries]

Yes that's right if I am so close to the intersection where I feel I would come off if I tried to stop I just don't bother trying unless of course there is a vehicle in my path.
At every set of signals that I approach there is a point where if they change before I reach it I will stop, if they change after I reach it I will keep going. The point varies depending on a multitude of factors which I don’t usually consider until the lights change, ie a very quick subconscious process to come up with a yeah/nah decision. Without thinking too hard Point A will be further from the signals in the wet, but not by all that much.

To be honest, the braking effort I use in the dry would not be sufficient to lock the front wheel in the wet. If you have to grab a handful very quickly to the point where you might lock the wheel then most likely you could have both safely and legally entered the intersection on the amber/yellow light. No need to gas it and no prospect of a ticket.

[bogan]

In view of the fact the amber light is only on for a few seconds I myself and 2 others in this thread (if you read back) gassing it is a more desirable option than being halfway through the intersection at the speed limit when the light goes red.

3 seconds @ 50k is 42m...

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[ducatilover]

297446


:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

[Jantar]

In view of the fact the amber light is only on for a few seconds I myself and 2 others in this thread (if you read back) gassing it is a more desirable option than being halfway through the intersection at the speed limit when the light goes red.
So how far away do need to be before you gas it? From 100 m away gassing it would put ou crossing on the red when there is other traffic already in the intersection. From 20 m away you would get through safely.

[raftn]

In view of the fact the amber light is only on for a few seconds I myself and 2 others in this thread (if you read back) gassing it is a more desirable option than being halfway through the intersection at the speed limit when the light goes red.

Just because some one agrees with you does not mean its correct. Your attempt to use back up from others to suport your stupidity, renforcers my all ready dim view of your skills and ability.

[Jantar]

In view of the fact the amber light is only on for a few seconds I myself and 2 others in this thread (if you read back) gassing it is a more desirable option than being halfway through the intersection at the speed limit when the light goes red.


......I have been rubbished many times on here for taking notice of those signs and not going faster maybe those that rubbish my thinking on here will learn from this accident.

So don't go faster, but do go faster?

[Berries]

In view of the fact the amber light is only on for a few seconds I myself and 2 others in this thread (if you read back) gassing it is a more desirable option than being halfway through the intersection at the speed limit when the light goes red.
If you (or your two mates) are halfway through the intersection when the light goes red and you are travelling at the speed limit then you had more than enough time to stop, and to stop safely.

I am guessing that the braking performance on a bike your age is not up to modern day standards but seriously, do they actually work?