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Keen to get some feedback from owners re their brand backup service. Warranty, parts supply and mech service etc. thanks.
Looking at a few options but unsure at the moment.. Shame Aprilia dont make a good two up bike with the v4 in it! Yet!
i've been told that the rear seat on mine is very comfortable! I'm certainly loving the engine. Have you looked at the caponord
Would you spend 2 weeks touring on it sitting on the back seat? That is what I have to think when I check out a new model..
Really have to take the advise of reviews on that one as 2 week test rides are getting rare these days. Jo did not find the GTR Kawa comfortable which surprised me. Maybe she just doesn,t have a Kawasaki shaped arse?
Yes, also would consider the Caponard. Why have they not shoved the V4 in there?
Would you spend 2 weeks touring on it sitting on the back seat?
Nope! but then i wouldn't tour on the back seat my legs aren't quite that long. Caponord is similar price to 1190, could be worth a look? Reports i've heard are its quite a good tourer.
Gremlin
5th May 2014, 20:46
Looking at a few options but unsure at the moment.. Shame Aprilia dont make a good two up bike with the v4 in it! Yet!
Depends what you define as 2up, and posting in road bikes, what you're looking at in KTM. Aprilia does have the Tuono (plus the new one has the V4).
As for KTM itself... it doesn't seem to focus on it's road range quite as much as it's dirt range. Backup, yep, wasn't bad when I owned my 990 Supermoto from 08 to 11. Did think that perhaps the reliability of the KTM was more around the brand than the bike, as I buckled the front rim twice, broke the rear subframe twice, and some other random stuff. That said, I moved to a full blown adventure bike, and the SM never left me stranded... just needed lots of attention ;)
I did find the constant changing of shops to be a little concerning as I really value the relationship with a shop, the history of servicing etc. While owning, Triple X Moto was my go to, then they closed and TMG bought out the kit etc. TMG has gone (was Yamaha as well) and now it's only Cyclespot Euro I think in Auckland. Mech service is the shop, not the brand.
All said and done, I'd probably own another KTM if that's what I wanted. Out riding, gawd, it was a fantastic bike. I did 63,000km in 27 months :banana:
edit: That's right... KTM: Keep Throwing Money
Ocean1
5th May 2014, 20:46
Development of the new big road KTMs has supposedly focused on rationalising service intervals.
Don't know what they are though, be interested to find out.
Depends what you define as 2up, and posting in road bikes, what you're looking at in KTM. Aprilia does have the Tuono (plus the new one has the V4).
As for KTM itself... it doesn't seem to focus on it's road range quite as much as it's dirt range. Backup, yep, wasn't bad when I owned my 990 Supermoto from 08 to 11. Did think that perhaps the reliability of the KTM was more around the brand than the bike, as I buckled the front rim twice, broke the rear subframe twice, and some other random stuff. That said, I moved to a full blown adventure bike, and the SM never left me stranded... just needed lots of attention ;)
I did find the constant changing of shops to be a little concerning as I really value the relationship with a shop, the history of servicing etc. While owning, Triple X Moto was my go to, then they closed and TMG bought out the kit etc. TMG has gone (was Yamaha as well) and now it's only Cyclespot Euro I think in Auckland. Mech service is the shop, not the brand.
All said and done, I'd probably own another KTM if that's what I wanted. Out riding, gawd, it was a fantastic bike. I did 63,000km in 27 months :banana:
edit: That's right... KTM: Keep Throwing Money
I had a ride on Wyns V4 Tuono and loved it, but he didn,t want to swap for me Buell so I had to give it back.
Basically I am looking for the best compromise of one bike does all.
My V Strom has been pretty good so far and I have ridden plenty of bikes that I would not have. But am still tending towards the adventure style bikes for two reasons, they tend to have a good comfort level and good suspension for our roads in general. IMO.
Thanks for your response too, that is exactly the type of feedback I was looking for.
10bikekid
5th May 2014, 21:03
Keen to get some feedback from owners re their brand backup service. Warranty, parts supply and mech service etc. thanks.
Would you spend 2 weeks touring on it sitting on the back seat? That is what I have to think when I check out a new model..
Really have to take the advise of reviews on that one as 2 week test rides are getting rare these days. Jo did not find the GTR Kawa comfortable which surprised me. Maybe she just doesn,t have a Kawasaki shaped arse?
Yes, also would consider the Caponard. Why have they not shoved the V4 in there?
Nope! but then i wouldn't tour on the back seat my legs aren't quite that long. Caponord is similar price to 1190, could be worth a look? Reports i've heard are its quite a good tourer.
Owning both KTM and Aprillias, so completely unbiased <_<, would go Coponard for your needs, the original Rotax engines were Beautiful and super reliable so expect similar from the new Aprillia engine and the Coponard has reportedly the best active suspension on the market
http://caponord.aprilia.com/en/versions.html http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/03/25/2014-aprilia-caponord-1200-abs-travel-pack-road-test-review-photos-specifications/
Would be in Motorcycle heaven if my KTM had the Tuono Rotax in it (plus a better seat) :yes:
PS, unless you are a serious offroader the KTM may be overkill especially with a pillion
Thanks 10, having just sold a rotax powered Buell, it is a taste of power that i am also wanting hence these big bikes. there has been talk of Eric Buell producing a rotax powered adventure style bike later this year as well, but I am not going to hold my breath on that one. Ihave been checking out a lot of reviews and the KTM seems to win a lot of approval. Will look for the Caponard ones now!
Gremlin
5th May 2014, 22:50
Caponord sure looks interesting.
The thing I like about adventure bikes is the long travel suspension, which makes mincemeat of NZ roads. As for one perfect do all bike... she's a hard road. The BMW isn't perfect, but it's by far the best bike for everything I do.
I presume you're looking at the 1190 Adventure. For you, I'd stay clear of the Adventure R unless you do want to adventure ride, purely because of road tyre choices on a 21/18 combo. On the 19/17 you have some really nice tyres. Bosch brake system on the Adventure is also being raved about.
I'm annoyed at the "support" for Aprilia in NZ, but then the same company is now handling part of BMW's supply chain, with predictable results :facepalm:
Thanks for your response too, that is exactly the type of feedback I was looking for.
Be aware that Gremlin is at the unfriendly end of KTM ownership, a complete bike rapist. I'm on my third KTM (with the use of a fourth - my partners) and have had no concerns about the product or parts availability. Servicing is shop dependent.
Mine hasn't broken anything significant and has been generally cheap to look after.
That's a 690 SM, 200EXC, 690 Enduro R, and 990 Superduke R.
Thanks Devil and Gremlin, I have heard stories about Aprilia being a bit useless but recently my mate has his bike sorted by them pretty quick. So they are back on the "consider" list along with the KTM. Apparently the Caponord has the most advanced active suspension.
A lot to think about and I need to take the time to try and test ride them back to back.
White trash
6th May 2014, 11:27
KTM stand by their product so well they've recently tacked on another 12 months factory warranty to owners of 2013 model 1190 Adventures. The new batch of LC8 powered machines (Adventure and Super Duke R) have 15,000km service intervals.
paturoa
6th May 2014, 12:38
To the actual questions: brand backup service. Warranty, parts supply and mech service etc
Brand backup service - KTM THEMSELVES 2 out of 10: When I look / read the international forums, KTM at this end of the world are very poor. For example, the extension of warranty, not seen anything. Other things like the on-line service history - fail. The air box design problem on the 1190 2013 required me to talk to the shop owner, who talked to KTM, before they would actually do anything about the issue. THE SHOP I BOUGHT IT FROM 1/10 for service. They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Never return phone calls as promised (yes you read that correctly - I cannot remember them ever returning a single phone call as agreed), don't answer emails until the 3rd or 4th chaser, and even then half arsed answers to half my questions. PM me for their name and I'll tell you how it happened for me. If there was another auhorised KTM service agent in reasonable travel distance I'd go there in a nano second.
Warranty: All good. No problems invoking warranty (with the exclusion of the air box issue).
Parts supply: Can't comment as haven't needed any.
Mech Service: Quality = OK, just a pity that it gets used so much! KTMs and from what I can see euros in general need it a lot!. I've owned a whole bunch of new and near new Suzukis, Hondas and Kwakas over the years and there is a gulf between them in terms of little things needing attention. Current bike has a long list of small anoying things that need attention. None of my jappers did / have. Timelyness = crap, took 4 weeks to fix a loose steering head bearing!!!
What you didn't ask is what is the bike like. It is the best bike I've ever ridden by quite some margin. There are a number of reputatable overseas (and even local) bike mags that say it is currently the best all round bike ever made and the safest ever made. Which is why I'm putting up with all of the bullshit above under the belief that eventually all of the issues will be resolved.
paturoa
6th May 2014, 12:44
KTM stand by their product so well they've recently tacked on another 12 months factory warranty to owners of 2013 model 1190 Adventures. The new batch of LC8 powered machines (Adventure and Super Duke R) have 15,000km service intervals.
Yes, I've read that over-seas people have had letters (with conflicting dates / typos) regarding that. http://advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=24065988&postcount=469
Not seen anything from my dealer or KTM here. Mind you they didn't even send me my welcome letter with my codes.
Thanks Paturoa, I was going to PM you as I see you own one, but you have pre- empted me.
As to the riding, I have only seen rave reviews so far!
Thanks Cassina, I am a bit schooled up on the new strom as well and it is definitely still on my list. Mainly cos my 07 Strom has never put a foot wrong in85,000 km!
I am nearly at the point where I am sick of looking and researching. Test ride time!
Gremlin
6th May 2014, 13:39
Be aware that Gremlin is at the unfriendly end of KTM ownership, a complete bike rapist.
:confused: No... the shop and I were both at a loss as to how I was buckling the rim. Apparently they're stronger than normal... beat me. The sub frame was simply a bad design, but screwing with it would have voided my warranty. BMW is far stronger in that sense (just has other problems instead :weep:)
I am nearly at the point where I am sick of looking and researching. Test ride time!
I'm not seeing a down side to this course of action :ride:
10bikekid
6th May 2014, 18:00
To the actual questions: brand backup service. Warranty, parts supply and mech service etc
Brand backup service - KTM THEMSELVES 2 out of 10: When I look / read the international forums, KTM at this end of the world are very poor. For example, the extension of warranty, not seen anything. Other things like the on-line service history - fail. The air box design problem on the 1190 2013 required me to talk to the shop owner, who talked to KTM, before they would actually do anything about the issue. THE SHOP I BOUGHT IT FROM 1/10 for service. They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Never return phone calls as promised (yes you read that correctly - I cannot remember them ever returning a single phone call as agreed), don't answer emails until the 3rd or 4th chaser, and even then half arsed answers to half my questions. PM me for their name and I'll tell you how it happened for me. If there was another auhorised KTM service agent in reasonable travel distance I'd go there in a nano second.
Warranty: All good. No problems invoking warranty (with the exclusion of the air box issue).
Parts supply: Can't comment as haven't needed any.
Mech Service: Quality = OK, just a pity that it gets used so much! KTMs and from what I can see euros in general need it a lot!. I've owned a whole bunch of new and near new Suzukis, Hondas and Kwakas over the years and there is a gulf between them in terms of little things needing attention. Current bike has a long list of small anoying things that need attention. None of my jappers did / have. Timelyness = crap, took 4 weeks to fix a loose steering head bearing!!!
What you didn't ask is what is the bike like. It is the best bike I've ever ridden by quite some margin. There are a number of reputatable overseas (and even local) bike mags that say it is currently the best all round bike ever made and the safest ever made. Which is why I'm putting up with all of the bullshit above under the belief that eventually all of the issues will be resolved.
My experience is similar :wacko:
Took bike in for big service, suggested to them they pull it all to bits to find out what parts they needed to order, but O no they knew better, ordered first bits, 1 month later arrived, then found they needed more parts when started second part of job, 1 month later, bike was ready after nearly 3 months and $1500 later :crazy:
IMHO KTM Adventures are the best bikes with the worst back up :(
Love mine and would struggle to part with it even if it sits Idle for a few months waiting for parts, its just that good to ride :headbang:
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nodrog
6th May 2014, 18:33
KTM's can back up? chur!
KTM's can back up? chur!
They're not even french!
After reading up a bit on a ktm forum, it seems they are a bit of a prima donna! Still up for a test ride tho so will have to call in sick one day next week.
Feeling a bit poorly already!
BoristheBiter
6th May 2014, 20:52
My experience is similar :wacko:
I think that was where you took it as ordering parts for my KTM has been easy, the longest i have had to wait (headlight surround) was a week.
When i needed the top end doing i went to Spectrum not KTM, they were cheaper, and i got it back quicker and just better.
most other things i do myself.
10bikekid
6th May 2014, 21:00
I think that was where you took it as ordering parts for my KTM has been easy, the longest i have had to wait (headlight surround) was a week.
When i needed the top end doing i went to Spectrum not KTM, they were cheaper, and i got it back quicker and just better.
most other things i do myself.
I like the guys a spectrum and use them for all my dirt bikes and singles, but not sure I would be keen on them working on an ADV RC8 twin? it takes about 4hrs to get to the heads for a valve check then you have to put it all together again ( might sus them out next time I'm down there to see how confident they are)
BTW rode a friends 350F at Woodhill the other day it was pretty cool
10bikekid
6th May 2014, 21:08
After reading up a bit on a ktm forum, it seems they are a bit of a prima donna! Still up for a test ride tho so will have to call in sick one day next week.
Feeling a bit poorly already!
I'm suspicious that if you ride one (in sports mode) you best have you cheque book at the ready or you may not sleep that night
(you probable won't sleep either way)
O dear the worlds gone mad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld5QeWLC28k&safe=active
I'm suspicious that if you ride one (in sports mode) you best have you cheque book at the ready or you may not sleep that night
(you probable won't sleep either way)
O dear the worlds gone mad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld5QeWLC28k&safe=active
So I have insomnia! Told you I was sick,
Gremlin
6th May 2014, 23:09
I'm suspicious that if you ride one (in sports mode) you best have you cheque book at the ready or you may not sleep that night
(you probable won't sleep either way)
O dear the worlds gone mad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld5QeWLC28k&safe=active
My 990SM only had one mode... hooligan. Once 6th gear was usable from 120kph (instead of 130kph) power wheelies in 3rd were far too easy to not do it. :laugh:
BoristheBiter
7th May 2014, 07:44
How they are meant to be ridden.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWIZfYQhgMc
How they are meant to be ridden.
I very like that!
BoristheBiter
7th May 2014, 13:34
I like the guys a spectrum and use them for all my dirt bikes and singles, but not sure I would be keen on them working on an ADV RC8 twin? it takes about 4hrs to get to the heads for a valve check then you have to put it all together again ( might sus them out next time I'm down there to see how confident they are)
BTW rode a friends 350F at Woodhill the other day it was pretty cool
well they do all the big kawakas so i would think they know what they are doing.
Gremlin
7th May 2014, 14:28
How they are meant to be ridden.
Yeah, but as an ex-owner (not the adventure) they don't show you what happens after you'd ridden it like that... it involves the dealer grinning... :laugh:
BoristheBiter
7th May 2014, 14:37
Yeah, but as an ex-owner (not the adventure) they don't show you what happens after you'd ridden it like that... it involves the dealer grinning... :laugh:
That's why its good to do your own work.
(or get free bikes)
Ocean1
7th May 2014, 16:33
it involves the dealer grinning... :laugh:
And pain, lotsa pain.
Gremlin
7th May 2014, 16:56
And pain, lotsa pain.
The line I kept hearing was something like - I've never seen that before / Never seen that happen
This is when they're servicing top race dirt bikes, and I'm the one with knackered suspension not moving properly, oil turned to sludge etc, parts breaking. Granted, a race bike should be pulled apart more frequently. :innocent:
First service at 1k was slightly under a grand, because I had them pull apart the front suspension, badly setup from factory. Service costs never really seemed to get better... I think the cheapest service was $666
BoristheBiter
7th May 2014, 17:22
The line I kept hearing was something like - I've never seen that before / Never seen that happen
This is when they're servicing top race dirt bikes, and I'm the one with knackered suspension not moving properly, oil turned to sludge etc, parts breaking. Granted, a race bike should be pulled apart more frequently. :innocent:
First service at 1k was slightly under a grand, because I had them pull apart the front suspension, badly setup from factory. Service costs never really seemed to get better... I think the cheapest service was $666
That is just shit service. should have been covered under warranty. I don't know where you got it serviced but when I had faults with mine they fixed it all free, even the the bent radiator (i dropped it) because the thermostat was hitting it and had dented the fins.
Happily I can say I have never had it quite that bad.
I have had a shop take both bikes in for a service, tell me one needed new chain and sprocket (i did know they needed doing) only to find out, when I got there, that they had changed the other bikes chain.
So not only did they miss my chain and sprockets, the headlight bulb and side stand fault that i had told them about, they didn't tighten the sump plug up (oil over garage) they over oiled my air filter (oil over garage) and didn't even set the correct tension on the new chain.
Oh and charged me for a new spark plug (when I serviced next i found the broken spark plug still in)
I have done my own work since then.
Ocean1
7th May 2014, 19:49
I think the cheapest service was $666
Aye. But for me, riding 200kg 'venture bikes like a slightly tubby MX bike just means plain ol' ordinary pain pain.
Attempted murder is the term that springs to mind...
paturoa
7th May 2014, 20:06
Aye. But for me, riding 200kg 'venture bikes like a slightly tubby MX bike just means plain ol' ordinary pain pain.
Attempted murder is the term that springs to mind...
Excellent troll!
Seriously, If you get a chance to ride a 1190 then you are in for a reset.
To be honest, this thread has made it obvious that despite how great the riding experience is on the KTM, it would not make it to the 86,000km mark like my V Strom has with only the usual maintenance items. Correct me if I am wrong?
I am not going to be thrashing it through the forest like Chris Birch, but I am going to expect some long hard days two up without shit breaking. Sub frames esp!
AllanB
7th May 2014, 22:07
Think you are looking at the misses seat the wrong way.
I'd be considering the best bike I could afford that suits my/our intended use and then considering what would be required to remodel/replace the seat (if required) to suit the loved one. Foot-pegs can be relocated if needed as well.
Yeah, thanks Allan, I have considered that too but also aware that I could move up to a bmw and not have issues at all. Just going by reviews and what people have said on here so far. Still hoping to get a demo ride in early next week! I am pretty competant mechanically but would rather have a bike to ride, not work on or fix. Will check out a couple of forums and get another bunch of owners perspectives. At least these machines have been around long enough to have clocked up some k,s and shown up their faults.
Gremlin
7th May 2014, 23:05
Yeah, thanks Allan, I have considered that too but also aware that I could move up to a bmw and not have issues at all. Just going by reviews and what people have said on here so far. Still hoping to get a demo ride in early next week! I am pretty competant mechanically but would rather have a bike to ride, not work on or fix. Will check out a couple of forums and get another bunch of owners perspectives. At least these machines have been around long enough to have clocked up some k,s and shown up their faults.
:laugh:
I've done just under 90k on my R1200GSA in 40 months. One broken thingie in a headlight, took 2 replacements to get a working one. Ordered parts (quite extensively thanks to one uh... tumble) and one accessory switch block I was after, needed 4 switches until I got 2 that worked. Final drive seal that's supposed to be long lasting and I'm on my 5th I think. Spoke to one owner with a few more km done, he's on the original. Brake rotors varying in thickness after 40-50k, an aftermarket replacement set I've done 10k on and they're varying now too.
Suspension can't be serviced, no service interval. You buy a new set (quoted price was $4800 +GST +fitting) and then another new set as required. The cost of electronic suspension. Ohlins was actually cheaper and serviceable (which I'll need to arrange shortly). It's left me stranded once (fortunately at home, a few weeks ago) and when the shop got around to it a few days later... it starts fine. However, I've thrown way more crazy stuff at the BMW and I couldn't imagine another bike taking it like the BMW has...
Pros and cons. It's fantastic to ride, does exactly what I want and I love it. The con. Not quite a queen like the KTM, but it's no UJM either.
I don't think you'd have any trouble with the KTM. I don't think you should be expecting anything out of the ordinary maintenance wise.
Having had KTM and BMW - from a maintenance perspective I wouldn't lean either way in particular. Both have been great.
Just remember how the internet works - take away everything you read knowing that you're hearing the squeaky wheel story. You're far more likely to find complaints on the internet, skewing your perception.
10bikekid
8th May 2014, 10:42
:laugh:
I've done just under 90k on my R1200GSA in 40 months. One broken thingie in a headlight, took 2 replacements to get a working one. Ordered parts (quite extensively thanks to one uh... tumble) and one accessory switch block I was after, needed 4 switches until I got 2 that worked. Final drive seal that's supposed to be long lasting and I'm on my 5th I think. Spoke to one owner with a few more km done, he's on the original. Brake rotors varying in thickness after 40-50k, an aftermarket replacement set I've done 10k on and they're varying now too.
Suspension can't be serviced, no service interval. You buy a new set (quoted price was $4800 +GST +fitting) and then another new set as required. The cost of electronic suspension. Ohlins was actually cheaper and serviceable (which I'll need to arrange shortly). It's left me stranded once (fortunately at home, a few weeks ago) and when the shop got around to it a few days later... it starts fine. However, I've thrown way more crazy stuff at the BMW and I couldn't imagine another bike taking it like the BMW has...
Pros and cons. It's fantastic to ride, does exactly what I want and I love it. The con. Not quite a queen like the KTM, but it's no UJM either.
Impressive K's you done there in such a short time, bit of saddle time and obviously having a comfortable bike would pay big diffidence there
If we weren't so rebellious we would all be riding these things or optionally the Yamaha, I friend of my did major research for his North to South Conquest of the Americas and said it came out tops for functionality, he wasn't looking for personality mind you, which admittedly would be small comfort somewhere on the side of the road in New Mexico
My rides are only in NZ so can live with personality much easier
Ocean1
8th May 2014, 11:39
Yeah, thanks Allan, I have considered that too but also aware that I could move up to a bmw and not have issues at all. Just going by reviews and what people have said on here so far. Still hoping to get a demo ride in early next week! I am pretty competant mechanically but would rather have a bike to ride, not work on or fix. Will check out a couple of forums and get another bunch of owners perspectives. At least these machines have been around long enough to have clocked up some k,s and shown up their faults.
Balance, dude. Ask about problems and you'll get answers about problems, google any device at all and the first 10 pages are all bleats about faults.
My brother had exactly the same machine as Gremlin's, sold it last year after the ABS unit shat itself at a cost of $4500, the last of a reasnably long list of issues, not the least of which was a lack of support at dealer level. He won't own another BMW.
A friend has a 990SD and appart from oil changes has mistreated it horribly from berth and absolutely can't kill it.
Ballance. If you want something reliable stick with the Suzuki or some other UJM and save your money, just don't expect the ultimate in jollies.
10bikekid
8th May 2014, 12:27
Balance, dude. Ask about problems and you'll get answers about problems, google any device at all and the first 10 pages are all bleats about faults.
My brother had exactly the same machine as Gremlin's, sold it last year after the ABS unit shat itself at a cost of $4500, the last of a reasnably long list of issues, not the least of which was a lack of support at dealer level. He won't own another BMW.
A friend has a 990SD and appart from oil changes has mistreated it horribly from berth and absolutely can't kill it.
Ballance. If you want something reliable stick with the Suzuki or some other UJM and save your money, just don't expect the ultimate in jollies.
Its true it can be a bit of a luck of the draw, and why I buy what I want and take the punt, obviously as a Buel owner you do the same
PS, Except if you buy a Honda or a Yamaha (have a couple of each just in case)
paturoa
8th May 2014, 20:41
To be honest, this thread has made it obvious that despite how great the riding experience is on the KTM, it would not make it to the 86,000km mark like my V Strom has with only the usual maintenance items. Correct me if I am wrong?
I am not going to be thrashing it through the forest like Chris Birch, but I am going to expect some long hard days two up without shit breaking. Sub frames esp!
You are correct. But feck the 1190 is a stunning bike, others thinks that too.
...in the March issue of Cycle World, we stated that the KTM 1190 might be the best all-around bike in the world (http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/01/15/ktm-1190-adventure-road-test-review-photos-specifications/). We still believe that but with a small word change: Replace “might be” with “is.”
http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/03/31/bmw-r1200gs-vs-ktm-1190-adventure-vs-suzuki-v-strom-1000-abs-comparison-test-review-photos-specifications/
Its true it can be a bit of a luck of the draw, and why I buy what I want and take the punt, obviously as a Buel owner you do the same
PS, Except if you buy a Honda or a Yamaha (have a couple of each just in case)
Haha, true, I had a Buell 1125 until very recently and loved it! But it was not my primary bike and also my wife refused to get on it! I tricked her into it once but that is another story!
You are correct. But feck the 1190 is a stunning bike, others thinks that too.
http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/03/31/bmw-r1200gs-vs-ktm-1190-adventure-vs-suzuki-v-strom-1000-abs-comparison-test-review-photos-specifications/
And the little boy in me really wants one! Sadly it will be more of a bike than I can really use, but we shall see!
paturoa
11th May 2014, 17:01
And, is the piggy bank about to get smashed?
Laava
11th May 2014, 17:15
Sometime this week, prob later on I want to go play! Will be weather dependant and also whether there are enough demos available. There are at least 3 bikes I want to ride back to back. I am rubbing the piggy bank as we speak!
Hinny
11th May 2014, 19:03
:confused: No... the shop and I were both at a loss as to how I was buckling the rim.
Especially perplexing considering you ride so slowly and carefully.
Hinny
11th May 2014, 19:12
Yeah, ... I could move up to a bmw and not have issues at all.
Hey Man, This is not the jokes and humour forum.
Good laugh tho' ... Feckin beauty!
Made my night.
Gron ya mate.
RideLife
15th May 2014, 15:45
Test ride time!
Northwest Motorcycles - New Plymouth, have a new 1190 R Demonstrator available for test rides.
06 7599059
steve@northwest.co.nz
Kendoll
27th May 2014, 17:09
I second what Devil said, my KTM has covered 25,000ks in the last year and she's never missed a beat. Parts are easy enough to get hold of and there is plenty of aftermarket gear available.
If you're looking for passenger comfort you can't go past the bigger adventure bikes like the 1190 adventure or the BMW R1200GS - I fell asleep regularly on the back of my partner's old BMW R1200GS :woohoo:
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