I would say I'm surprised but that'd be a lie

[Scuba_Steve]

This should surprise absolutely no-one with any sort of real world knowledge/happenings

Police broke law, breached human rights

^ I like how they say it as if it's not a daily occurrence from NZ's most notorious gang

Police broke the law and breached the human rights of hundreds of people when they blocked off a Christchurch street for seven hours to check about 200 vehicles that had gathered for a charity event, the police watchdog says.

Authority chairman Judge Sir David Carruthers said while they accepted police needed to act to control the situation given their concern about the large number of people gathered and possible disorder, their detention of people, in some cases for more than six hours, and their treatment of them during this time, was unlawful and a breach of human rights.

Common issues from those complaints included being detained and the length of time people were detained; the lack of access to toilet facilities, food and water; police videoing people without consent and police being dressed in riot gear and their attitude during the operation.

NZHearld (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11251699)

[SMOKEU]

I've had shit like that happen to me before (but I wasn't at the event in the article), stuck in a car for several hours while the police threatened to arrest me for even leaving the vehicle. I wasn't drunk or on anything, I was just chilled out and that sort of behavior is inexcusable from those who are there to protect us. They acted like thugs who used standover tactics to force everyone into submission.

In saying all that, the vast majority of police do a great job and without them we'd be fucked, so this isn't an "anti police" rant as such.

[caseye]

That ewe Smokie?
Charity events don't include keeping the whole town awake all night doing illegal shit in cars, fucking good job, pity our minister of Police didn't back the boys on this one, was a very good way to deal with lots of potential miscreants who, given half a chance would have got ugly. shoot the lot of em would have been quicker and we'd not have lost too many potential citizens.

[SMOKEU]

That ewe Smokie?
Charity events don't include keeping the whole town awake all night doing illegal shit in cars, fucking good job, pity our minister of Police didn't back the boys on this one, was a very good way to deal with lots of potential miscreants who, given half a chance would have got ugly. shoot the lot of em would have been quicker and we'd not have lost too many potential citizens.

I've heard cagers say very similar things about those "noisy, inconsiderate motorcyclists who always hoon around and overtake dangerously", except for the part of it being at night. Not everyone is impressed by a Gixxer with an aftermarket pipe which is fitted almost soley to create more noise than standard. And yes, that describes my bike exactly.

[Akzle]

In saying all that, the vast majority of police do a great job
no they dont

and without them we'd be fucked,
no we wouldn't


was a very good way to deal with lots of potential miscreants who, given half a chance would have got ugly. shoot the lot of em would have been quicker and we'd not have lost too many potential citizens.
come on tim, guilty until proven innocent?
dont farken thinkso.


OP.
no. no surprises at all. "do unto others" or, as jesus said, "fuck this world, fuck this shit, fuck everything you stand for"

[SMOKEU]

no they dont

no we wouldn't


come on tim, guilty until proven innocent?
dont farken thinkso.


OP.
no. no surprises at all. "do unto others" or, as jesus said, "fuck this world, fuck this shit, fuck everything you stand for"

We're not allowed vigilante justice here, so we have to let the cops do the job. And then the courts can give them a slap on the wrist.

[R650R]

Actually I'm surprised as in my experiences they tended to pussy foot about with the boy racer problem.
Not impressed when you ring in to complain that 300 cars are parked on private property where you need to unload for a turn and burn at 2am and they say oh we'll send someone to disperse them.
If the cops were like that from when the problem started it would never have ballooned into the issue it is now.
Before anyone says it yes we've all been young and done it ourselves but not with the lack of respect that happens now and preventing people going about their business unimpeded.
You could argue that such an event of mass law breaking demands temporary suspension of basic rights, even the full on gangs don't cause the problems these cars do.
Those guys in chch got it easy though compared to the Akld ones as in the end one of my co workers who ended up opening a crowbar session on the closest cars when they rolled up one night.
I guess that was a breach of their human rights too but they didn't come back.
Funny though our trailers started getting ticketed for parking with no lights after that, guess they like the cops when it suits them...

[Akzle]

We're not allowed vigilante justice here, so we have to let the cops do the job. And then the courts can give them a slap on the wrist.

no, you're right, the policy and policy enforcers are effective, that's why there's no crime and 100% compliance with the legislation as it////


wait, bahahahahha
no fuck that.

[Katman]

shoot the lot of em would have been quicker and we'd not have lost too many potential citizens.

Thank fuck you're not a cop any longer.

[Scuba_Steve]

That ewe Smokie?
Charity events don't include keeping the whole town awake all night doing illegal shit in cars, fucking good job, pity our minister of Police didn't back the boys on this one, was a very good way to deal with lots of potential miscreants who, given half a chance would have got ugly. shoot the lot of em would have been quicker and we'd not have lost too many potential citizens.

Sounds like it's well about time you fucked off & took a bike cruise in Queensland best if ya take a few mates along with you or join up with some when your over there. Just to make sure you get the proper "royal treatment" be sure to fiercely challenge anyone that gets in the way of your cruise

[Woodman]

fuck the boyracer cockless fags. Good job Police. Should do it more often.

[bogan]

2 part question, how much money did they raise?

[Stylo]

Sounds like it's well about time you fucked off & took a bike cruise in Queensland best if ya take a few mates along with you or join up with some when your over there. Just to make sure you get the proper "royal treatment" be sure to fiercely challenge anyone that gets in the way of your cruise

Whatever that means,

Keep smokin' it Scoober, you're the man

[98tls]

"car enthusiasts":clap:yea right,hey they at least got one driving pissed so all good chances are they saved someone some grief.Raising money for Christchurch is a worthy cause possibly seize there cars for unpaid fines sell em and donate that money.

[Akzle]

"car enthusiasts":clap:yea right,hey they at least got one driving pissed so all good chances are they saved someone some grief.Raising money for Christchurch is a worthy cause possibly seize there cars for unpaid fines sell em and donate that money.

no what they should actually be policing is motorcycles travelling more than104km/h.
that shit's dangerous.
impound them straight away, take their helmet and boots too incase they get any clever ideas about fucking off.
if fines aren't paid within 3 days auction the bikes off.


ahhh. making society better one reckless hooligan at a time...

[oneofsix]

"car enthusiasts":clap:yea right,hey they at least got one driving pissed so all good chances are they saved someone some grief.Raising money for Christchurch is a worthy cause possibly seize there cars for unpaid fines sell em and donate that money.

Good technique for them to try with the next bike charity ride, through in unregistered or WOF they should be able to raise heaps. :shifty:

Why deal with just the ones that are misbehaving when you can demonstrate your authority to hundreds? :niceone:

[Katman]

"car enthusiasts":clap:yea right,hey they at least got one driving pissed so all good chances are they saved someone some grief.Raising money for Christchurch is a worthy cause possibly seize there cars for unpaid fines sell em and donate that money.

Dude, the only difference between you and boy racers is about 30 years.

[willytheekid]

A charity run huh....and how much did they raise again? <_<

The "angelic" CHCH boy racers

...they blatantly ignore vehicle standards & road safety, regularly endanger other road users*, constantly give the police attitude, disrespect them and the law, surround & swarm lone squad cars and smash them up...and worst of all...have followed off duty officers HOME with the intent to intimidate said officers and there FAMILY'S!!

So yes...while I do see there "issues" with being subjected to the heavy hand of the law...I feel that they caused this reaction by acting like a group of criminal thugs for so bloody long...they pushed there luck, and the patience of the police to reach this point....so fuck em!

...you reap what you sow!



*And being pelted with bottles, nearly rear ended at some lights, and nearly hit in dense fog by two car loads of kids racing has NOTHING to do with my attitude towards Boyracers:laugh:....I love people who are CONSTANTLY threatening my life for daring to use a public road!....honest!:innocent:

[Madness]

... pity our minister of Police didn't back the boys on this one...

Ummm, I think the idea behind the Independent Police Conduct Authority is that they're independent. Besides, the Right Honorourable Judith Collins :facepalm: has been a bit pre-occupied lately.

[98tls]

Good technique for them to try with the next bike charity ride, through in unregistered or WOF they should be able to raise heaps. :shifty:

Why deal with just the ones that are misbehaving when you can demonstrate your authority to hundreds? :niceone:

Always amazes me they dont to be honest,poker runs in particular where fat cunts on Harleys go from zero to hero in the space of 5 pints.

[scumdog]

Dude, the only difference between you and boy racers is about 30 years.

And attitude...

[Scuba_Steve]

Ummm, I think the idea behind the Independent Police Conduct Authority is that they're independent.

Haha I hope you don't believe that; They're one of the biggest false advertisers out there, 2nd only to "ministry of justice".
They're about as independent as Sprite is to Coca-Cola, maybee go as far as Fanta to Coca-Cola on a good day

[98tls]

Dude, the only difference between you and boy racers is about 30 years.Didnt realize we had ever met.

[Madness]

Haha I hope you don't believe that

I did say being independent was the idea behind the IPCA. It's manned by washed up Judges, who are appointed by politicians and who work within the laws written by politicians. Sounds pretty kosher to me :msn-wink:

[SMOKEU]

...they blatantly ignore vehicle standards & road safety, regularly endanger other road users*, constantly give the police attitude, disrespect them and the law, surround & swarm lone squad cars and smash them up...and worst of all...have followed off duty officers HOME with the intent to intimidate said officers and there FAMILY'S!!


Those happen to be criminal thugs who just happen to be driving "boy racer" type vehicles in an anti-social, and dangerous manner. It's not much different to how some Harley riders are members of criminal gangs, yet it's not fair to say that all Harley riders are like that.

[BoristheBiter]

Ummm, I think the idea behind the Independent Police Conduct Authority is that they're independent. Besides, the Right Honorourable Judith Collins :facepalm: has been a bit pre-occupied lately.

Anne Tolley is the police minister.

[mashman]

Anne Tolley is the police minister.

Probably why he suggested that someone else look into it.

[Winston001]

Haha I hope you don't believe that; They're one of the biggest false advertisers out there, 2nd only to "ministry of justice".
They're about as independent as Sprite is to Coca-Cola, maybee go as far as Fanta to Coca-Cola on a good day


I did say being independent was the idea behind the IPCA. It's manned by washed up Judges, who are appointed by politicians and who work within the laws written by politicians. Sounds pretty kosher to me :msn-wink:


Sooo...


The much distrusted Police Complaints Authority rules that the Police acted unlawfully and breached human rights. That is a biggie. Prisoners have obtained court rulings for big payouts for breaches of human rights.

We couldn't ask for better evidence that the PCA is truely independant and will rule against the Police.

But wait - surprise surprise. Even that isn't good enough for Steve and Madness. Somehow this decision confirms the bias in favour of the police. :spanking: :doh:

[avgas]

I think if you change the name from Charity Cruise to Charity Gala......you might attract a more PC crowd.

I suspect the streets were blocked off for more than "law abiding citizens escorting granny home".

Like I said. Call it a Gala and see if the problem starters turn up.

[BoristheBiter]

Probably why he suggested that someone else look into it.

read into it what you like, you guys make up any old shit to suit yourselves.

[Madness]

But wait - surprise surprise. Even that isn't good enough for Steve and Madness. Somehow this decision confirms the bias in favour of the police. :spanking: :doh:

Excuse me but where did I say I was unhappy with the ruling or the performance of the IPCA? You can kindly go fuck yourself.

[Scuba_Steve]

Sooo...


The much distrusted Police Complaints Authority rules that the Police acted unlawfully and breached human rights. That is a biggie. Prisoners have obtained court rulings for big payouts for breaches of human rights.

We couldn't ask for better evidence that the PCA is truely independant and will rule against the Police.

But wait - surprise surprise. Even that isn't good enough for Steve and Madness. Somehow this decision confirms the bias in favour of the police. :spanking: :doh:

I'll let Jackie say it...
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/f7/f7be5f9e45d8ec2fda05e4a95286692ea0c0c1ec40eb873af1 f4ff8d1dfd2b10.jpg

[Akzle]

We couldn't ask for better evidence that the PCA is truely independant and will rule against the Police.

per the ipca website
"Most complaints to the
Authority are referred to the
Police for investigation and
resolution. The Authority
independently oversees Police
handling of these complaints. The form of that oversight
depends on the nature of the
complaint, but can include
independent review or audit of
the Police investigation."
translate
"we warn the cops shit may hit the fan so they can hide as much evidence as need, then they write out a nice bullshit report, affifavits, tell all the boys the "real" story and surprise fucking surprise, you loose"


just F your I.

[Banditbandit]

That ewe Smokie?
Charity events don't include keeping the whole town awake all night doing illegal shit in cars, fucking good job, pity our minister of Police didn't back the boys on this one, was a very good way to deal with lots of potential miscreants who, given half a chance would have got ugly. shoot the lot of em would have been quicker and we'd not have lost too many potential citizens.

Fuck me - you and a few others here complain because boy racers don't obey the laws .... and then you support another group who flagrantly believe they have the authority to break the law ???

Don't you think that a little more consistency on the part of people who want the laws obeyed might go some way to helping the situation?

(Or I have I given you too many big words and deeper concepts than you can cope with?)

[Ulsterkiwi]

So what was it exactly that triggered the cops to close the road? Burnouts? 'some disorder'?
Is it illegal to have a gathering like that without some kind of notice or permit?
I suppose the police cant win really, if they do nothing one section of the community is up in arms, they go the other way and this is what happens.
So is there a 'right way' for the police to respond to events like this?

[TheDemonLord]

So what was it exactly that triggered the cops to close the road? Burnouts? 'some disorder'?
Is it illegal to have a gathering like that without some kind of notice or permit?
I suppose the police cant win really, if they do nothing one section of the community is up in arms, they go the other way and this is what happens.
So is there a 'right way' for the police to respond to events like this?

the right way would be to deal with each individual in a manner befitting that individuals behaviour...

But when you have 200 cars with updwards of 300 people and the police are probably outnumbered 6 -1, this is impossible to do.

I see the police side of when things like this happen - with large crowds, the police know that they could easily loose control unless they act overly aggressive to maintain control - kinda like shock and awe

[BoristheBiter]

Fuck me - you and a few others here complain because boy racers don't obey the laws .... and then you support another group who flagrantly believe they have the authority to break the law ???

Don't you think that a little more consistency on the part of people who want the laws obeyed might go some way to helping the situation?

(Or I have I given you too many big words and deeper concepts than you can cope with?)

So who can I sue for sitting in traffic for more than 15 min as the only thing was the police had a check point and because of the amount of traffic they had to wait, boo hoo sucks to them i guess.

[Akzle]

I see the police side of when things like this happen - with large crowds, the police know that they could easily loose control unless they act overly aggressive to maintain control - kinda like shock and awe

or, they could change the attitude of the institution so it was less "us vs them",
they could ignore BS laws that noone really wants, they could butt-secks some politicians more often, they could weed out all the kids that got bullied at school and the old boys that jack their mates off at the golf club and become a professional PEACE enforcement unit, rather than mindlessly and needlessly enforcing crown policy to keep lawerjews and jewdges paid.

but naaaaaah. force and threats of violence, that's a surefire way to get kiwis to comply.

[Akzle]

So who can I sue for sitting in traffic

noone. you live in auckland, it's your own retarded fault.

[R650R]

or, they could change the attitude of the institution so it was less "us vs them"

But "they" who call the police for help which is about 99% of population expects "them" 0.5% cops to deal the unruly 0.5% "us".
The whole modern system of justice and law enforcement is a game anyway operating under a more confused set of ever changing rules than the Americas cup.
People misbehaving here get off very lightly compared to other nations.
Just look at cop show on telly last night with that party in howick, huge turnout of cops, heaps of pissheads smashing bottles on road and fighting, going through peoples properties and only one arrested who was released next day anyway. Then the tenant comes on tv saying its not the first party and wont be the last.
We've had the same dispersal of mobile riots in our suburb, to say we are toughly policed or some kind of police state is ridiculous.

[Akzle]

But "they" who call the police for help which is about 99% of population expects "them" 0.5% cops to deal the unruly 0.5% "us

i dont know what circles you move in, but it's been a long while since i've met someone who'd expect help from the cops...

[mashman]

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/73/0b/bf/730bbfb741ad97e1575bac1de946fd9f.jpg

[Winston001]

Oh bugger it.

Generally I support the police because they have a prick of a job - we don't talk about the cheerless domestic disputes they attend and other awful stuff (child abuse etc).

But breaching fundamental rights - that is a no-go.

Big ups to the PCA for making this call.

[avgas]

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/73/0b/bf/730bbfb741ad97e1575bac1de946fd9f.jpg

His head from his body. So I don't think I will take his advice.

[scumdog]

per the ipca website
"Most complaints to the
Authority are referred to the
Police for investigation and
resolution. The Authority
independently oversees Police
handling of these complaints. The form of that oversight
depends on the nature of the
complaint, but can include
independent review or audit of
the Police investigation."
translate
"we warn the cops shit may hit the fan so they can hide as much evidence as need, then they write out a nice bullshit report, affifavits, tell all the boys the "real" story and surprise fucking surprise, you loose"


just F your I.

So what happened this time that your eleguent explanation of how the IPCA system works didn't pan out for the cops???<_<

[Akzle]

So what happened this time that your eleguent explanation of how the IPCA system works didn't pan out for the cops???<_<

the cops got a strongly worded letter...(has anthing else been done??)
oh yes. i'm sure they're all trembling at the thought of another one....

fuck, cops can kill people with no disciplinary action nor recourse....

[oneofsix]

So what was it exactly that triggered the cops to close the road? Burnouts? 'some disorder'?
Is it illegal to have a gathering like that without some kind of notice or permit?
I suppose the police cant win really, if they do nothing one section of the community is up in arms, they go the other way and this is what happens.
So is there a 'right way' for the police to respond to events like this?

What triggered it? That, in a way goes right back to a Fast Fours and Rotary show where the police decided they would run a "check-point". Since them there has been an escalating arms race in Chch between a determined group of racers and authoritive police. OF course the racers are no longer the ones involved in the show but the more militant growd and you can be sure that about 10% or less of the cruise were some of these.
How to handle it? tell the organisers to get their shit together and get the cruise started. Sadly that means you don't get to show off your authority as much, instead you use it more intelligently. Then you can pick off the cars you think were doing the burn outs or whatever and if you can be 100% sure it was them you can still shadow them. Makes your point, gets the problem out of the neighbourhood and targets the troublemakers and not the majority you turned out for what they thought was a good cause.

[scumdog]

the cops got a strongly worded letter...(has anthing else been done??)
oh yes. i'm sure they're all trembling at the thought of another one....

fuck, cops can kill people with no disciplinary action nor recourse....


So???

Suck it up Jewboy, suck it up...

[Scuba_Steve]

fuck, cops can kill people with no disciplinary action nor recourse....

What you talking bout? They'll get put on "paid leave"

[Akzle]

So???

Suck it up Jewboy, suck it up...

lame troll is lame....

[Akzle]

What you talking bout? They'll get put on "paid leave"

of course!

carry firearms with the intent to kill humans, then have a wet-eye about the stress THEY suffered killing humans. :facepalm:

[scumdog]

Akzle.

How many wheels have ever turned on him?

[scumdog]

lame troll is lame....

No, seriously, whatcha goin' to do about it except for whine on KB???

[BoristheBiter]

What triggered it? That, in a way goes right back to a Fast Fours and Rotary show where the police decided they would run a "check-point". Since them there has been an escalating arms race in Chch between a determined group of racers and authoritive police. OF course the racers are no longer the ones involved in the show but the more militant growd and you can be sure that about 10% or less of the cruise were some of these.
How to handle it? tell the organisers to get their shit together and get the cruise started. Sadly that means you don't get to show off your authority as much, instead you use it more intelligently. Then you can pick off the cars you think were doing the burn outs or whatever and if you can be 100% sure it was them you can still shadow them. Makes your point, gets the problem out of the neighbourhood and targets the troublemakers and not the majority you turned out for what they thought was a good cause.

Was than when they (the cops) started getting bottles and rocks thrown at them or was that another time?

[mulletman]

Was than when they (the cops) started getting bottles and rocks thrown at them or was that another time?

Some other time..

Said event was a gold coin or food item in exchange for a map , dont know how much was raised , cruise was in the middle of the day, authorties and council were informed , cops stuffed up badly that day.

[BoristheBiter]

Some other time..

Said event was a gold coin or food item in exchange for a map , dont know how much was raised , cruise was in the middle of the day, authorties and council were informed , cops stuffed up badly that day.

Or some pro active work stopped it turning into a shit fight later?

CHCH has a bad history of street racers/events going ugly, even the ones with good intent.

And as one that has had to deal with the noise and mess left behind I have little sympathy.

[oneofsix]

Or some pro active work stopped it turning into a shit fight later?

CHCH has a bad history of street racers/events going ugly, even the ones with good intent.

And as one that has had to deal with the noise and mess left behind I have little sympathy.

The cops escalated and now they have had only a limp wristed warning for it the ugly will come so you better get your mop and handkee out. :girlfight:

[BoristheBiter]

The cops escalated and now they have had only a limp wristed warning for it the ugly will come so you better get your mop and handkee out. :girlfight:

A good massey ferguson has made sure they will never come back, well not in those cars :killingme

[RDJ]

So???

Suck it up Jewboy, suck it up...

"Come and see the violence inherent in the system" said Dennis The Peasant.

Except that was satire. Scumdog demonstrates the reality.

What goes around, comes around. Reasonable law-abiding people do make judgments on the basis of their direct experience with lorrenorder's soldiers.

[blue rider]

No, seriously, whatcha goin' to do about it except for whine on KB???

like i said to the cop that investigated my complaint with the IPCA,
"Dear Seargent BlhaBlah...i will complain every single time i believe a Police Officer is stepping over the line. Every single time will i write to the IPCA, I will name names, show pictures, quote appropriate legislature etc etc. And you or someone like you will have to spend time investigating, and coming to me to have a chat about what can be done to remedy the situation. So tell your Constable Blah Blah Blah that next time they deal with Ladybikers, that they should be polite and without bias....not all of us are owned Mongrel Mob Pussies".

I put that in writing too.....and you know scumdog, as long as you and your work mates are paid for with my tax payers money, you and your mates better be polite, treat only those as guilty that are guilty, let people use the restrooms if they demand it, etc. etc. If not, I will complain, in writing, every single time.

and quite frankly, if every citizen of this country would complain, maybe the Police as an institution would get their act together, and a. become a Peaceforce, b. work to protect and serve.....all of NZ and not just a select few.

[BoristheBiter]

I put that in writing too.....and you know scumdog, as long as you and your work mates are paid for with my tax payers money, you and your mates better be polite, treat only those as guilty that are guilty, let people use the restrooms if they demand it,


I would be very surprised if the tax you pay evens pays the wage of one cop.

[blue rider]

I would be very surprised if the tax you pay evens pays the wage of one cop.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/albundy_shock.gif

[BoristheBiter]

[


And if we carry on down that road it only stands to reason that if you pay more tax then you should get more say in how/what laws are written.

See how stupid your post was?

[RDJ]

And if we carry on down that road it only stands to reason that if you pay more tax then you should get more say in how/what laws are written.

See how stupid your post was?

A better analogy is when you fly. Regardless of what you pay for your seat, you expect to be treated professionally, courteously, and be kept safe - and indeed to arrive at the same time at the promised destination. Similarly, regardless of how much tax you pay, you should get safe, effective quality service from the public servants whose wages and salaries you are paying.

[Scuba_Steve]

Regardless Police should not be breaching law especially not criminal law & especially not when "fishing" for civil breaches... How it is people think this should be ok I have no idea, fucking retarded they are. Maybee a home invasion & ransacking by the Police gang, you know "just in case", would wise them up a little.
As for the criminal gang members that participated they should all be serving out maximum sentences of 14yrs for knowingly & willingly abusing power to carrying out criminal activity

[mashman]

A better analogy is when you fly. Regardless of what you pay for your seat, you expect to be treated professionally, courteously, and be kept safe - and indeed to arrive at the same time at the promised destination. Similarly, regardless of how much tax you pay, you should get safe, effective quality service from the public servants whose wages and salaries you are paying.

If Boris pays more than you, he's entitled to have a better standard of experience.

[Madness]

If Boris pays more than you, he's entitled to have a better standard of experience.

Which could be as simple as the difference between warm hands with lube and cold hands without.

[mashman]

Which could be as simple as the difference between warm hands with lube and cold hands without.

Interesting image... thanks for that :sick:

[ducatilover]

I think the majority of you may need this http://www.instructables.com/id/Riding-a-Motorcycle/

[scumdog]

"Come and see the violence inherent in the system" said Dennis The Peasant.

Except that was satire. Scumdog demonstrates the reality.

What goes around, comes around. Reasonable law-abiding people do make judgments on the basis of their direct experience with lorrenorder's soldiers.

In the same way that, should I have a negative experience with one motorbike rider I can reasonably expect all other motorbike riders to be the same???Sheesh......:facepalm:

[Big Dog]

In the same way that, should I have a negative experience with one motorbike rider I can reasonably expect all other motorbike riders to be the same???Sheesh......:facepalm:

I think what really happens is people normally only encounter police on the worst days of their lives or have their day dampened by them.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[BoristheBiter]

A better analogy is when you fly. Regardless of what you pay for your seat, you expect to be treated professionally, courteously, and be kept safe - and indeed to arrive at the same time at the promised destination. Similarly, regardless of how much tax you pay, you should get safe, effective quality service from the public servants whose wages and salaries you are paying.

Unless of course you pay for first/business class then you get better treatment than the plebs in cattle class.

No sorry that analogy doesn't work either.

[SPman]

Maybee a home invasion & ransacking by the Police gang, you know "just in case", would wise them up a little.

You mean like this......
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-05/victoria-breached-un-covenant-in-treatment-of-corinna-horvath/5431690

[scumdog]

I think what really happens is people normally only encounter police on the worst days of their lives or have their day dampened by them.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Yep, and sadly they carry it with them forever.

As a youngster I ran foul of a lot of cops, mainly for my driving etc so it was mainly traffic cops and I can see how easy it would be to bear a grudge against all cops from the experience with one.

But I didn't.

[Big Dog]

Yep, and sadly they carry it with them forever.

As a youngster I ran foul of a lot of cops, mainly for my driving etc so it was mainly traffic cops and I can see how easy it would be to bear a grudge against all cops from the experience with one.

But I didn't.

I have had nothing but good experiences. Yes, I have been pulled for breaking the rules but if you can't do the time don't do the crime.

Could be the attitude that sets the altitude here. I am always as courteous as I hope they will be and so far I have never been let down. I have seen a little abuse of power and a few discourteous officers but not to me, to people I was with who had shit attitudes.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Banditbandit]

In the same way that, should I have a negative experience with one motorbike rider I can reasonably expect all other motorbike riders to be the same???Sheesh......:facepalm:

Naaa bro .. you know it's only the 1% ...