TV coverage of NZ racing?

[scott411]

to take this discussion of facebook,

is it worth the 20K (which is the figure thrown around) to film a round of the NZ superbike, or NZ MX champs, for it to go on TV 3 months later, on a sunday afternoon?

are we not better to spend half that money on getting a walk up crowd, that pays to get in?

[Shaun Harris]

to take this discussion of facebook,

is it worth the 20K (which is the figure thrown around) to film a round of the NZ superbike, or NZ MX champs, for it to go on TV 3 months later, on a sunday afternoon?

are we not better to spend half that money on getting a walk up crowd, that pays to get in?








Deffinately not! and Yes.

[budda]

to take this discussion of facebook,

is it worth the 20K (which is the figure thrown around) to film a round of the NZ superbike, or NZ MX champs, for it to go on TV 3 months later, on a sunday afternoon?

are we not better to spend half that money on getting a walk up crowd, that pays to get in?

Oh Dear - here we go .............:brick:

[scott411]

Oh Dear - here we go .............:brick:

you know i like a good debate Budda, whats your opinion on the questions?

[budda]

you know i like a good debate Budda, whats your opinion on the questions?

NOW you're being silly - you KNOW I have an opinion.

Lets be honest, you're asking on here so you have written stuff to refer to, 'cos there's no way you'll remember 99% of what you talk about at the AGM

[scott411]

NOW you're being silly - you KNOW I have an opinion.

Lets be honest, you're asking on here so you have written stuff to refer to, 'cos there's no way you'll remember 99% of what you talk about at the AGM

i'm not going to the AGM, but if i was, you would have a point,

I am interested to know, because i struggle to see the value in it, but others may disagree,

[Shaun Harris]

i'm not going to the AGM, but if i was, you would have a point,

I am interested to know, because i struggle to see the value in it, but others may disagree,










The money would be so much better spent on hiring a proffessional promoter/commisioner

[jellywrestler]

Deffinately not! and Yes.

is this a thread for discussion or a poll?

[budda]

i'm not going to the AGM, but if i was, you would have a point,

I am interested to know, because i struggle to see the value in it, but others may disagree,

Most struggle to understand that there IS a difference between putting our BEST ( in theory that's what the Champs are ) on't tele in an effort to gain traction with the mainstream non-motorheads, and the need to generate a good walk-up crowd to recoup some of the pretty big costs involved in ANY Nationals event ( with the odd exception )

Yes, there is a school of thought that the TV coverage panders to the Distributors - also true that without their support the Nats rounds will be another Club Day, without the sizzle and spectacle that the flash harrys on "factory" bikes and all the attendant glossy setups bring.

As I've said elsewhere ( multiple times ), I HAVE engaged the services of a "professional" promoter to investigate taking the RR ( REAL RACING ) Nats up a peg or two - but when he saw the numbers, he walked, never to be heard from again

This is why its imperative that ALL our Competitors get involved with and support their own Club before running their mouth - when they see just what is involved in a Nats level event, may open their eyes a tad ........

Ita also why the MNZ Board instituted the much-loathed "Championship Protocols" - so many were grizzling about their events running at a loss, something had to change. Certainly in MY time as Commissioner, there was no way I wanted to inflict a financial loss on any Club stepping up to run a round of the Champs, and I know Billy shared this point of view.

When we saw the numbers from what are effectively event budgets, its not hard to see why some succeed and some fail

[ellipsis]

...eyes down and looking...66, clickety click...Kelly's Eye, number 1...all the ones, legs 11...oh fuck, wrong forum, sorry , my bad, thought I was in the Womans Weekly, bingo pages...same old numbers,different day, just in a different order...

[Shaun Harris]

is this a thread for discussion or a poll?





if you feel the need to talk more shit go for it man

[Billy]

you know i like a good debate Budda, whats your opinion on the questions?

CRIKEY!!! I can hear the paper bags rustling as the crazies awake,Best I get in fast before this turns into yet another "Maggie Thatcher benefit".
Short version,
When I took over as commissioner I researched the figures to justify what was going on before moving forward,After around 9-10 months of smoke and mirrors,Heres what I managed to extract.

Productions costs of $16,500 per round and then TV 1 would not show it on free to air unless the $20,000 advertising campaign was undertaken,Therefore to air limited coverage of a 5 round series(By limited I mean Supers and 600s only) would cost over $100,000 AND the series sponsors demanded it in return for their investment.

Sponsors investment:

So after even more smoke and mirrors that began with the statement "The sponsorship covers it"
It complied of at that stage,For roadracing 5 distributors @ $2,000 and 1 oil company $5000 = $15,000,Now I cannot categorically state that this is 100% correct due to the information(Or lack thereof) that I struggled to attain from the board and office,BUT it is pretty damned close at the very least,Therefore,Cost = $100,000+ funding outside of MNZ= $15,000 leaving us -$85,000 or more.

The statement made by Phil Dark that "In sport without TV you are dead" is backward thinking in my opinion(AND that is ONLY my opinion and not part of any concensus I have been involved in),My vision was to aim for the future which I see as the internet,Its common knowledge that in future years,People will not own a television but will instead view all material online,Its already started and I thought we should get in at the start as opposed to 10 years after everybody else,Enter Grant Collingwood and his Ctas system,Brilliant,Every second of every practice,Qualifying and race !!!! Yea I know "But its not primetime TV" BIG DEAL,When outfits like the Americas Cup organisers and the EPL start using it as an added tool and recognise its benefits,Shouldn't we be getting in on the action as well,Why the hell do we have to be followers???? Why can't we be the leaders,Even if it is just this once FFS,

Also,I question why MNZ have not contracted Grant or Purchased his business,WHY can't we utilise its benefits for,Moto X,Supercross,Enduro,Cross Country and even trials AND promote the thing for christs sake,Sell advertising and so on,Then we could really get some promotion of motorcycling WORLDWIDE,Not just on the VERY occassional Sunday and within NZ, Total cost to MNZ for Grants services at the recently completed NZSBK 2014=$6000.00.

So your choice TV at a huge cost with limited coverage,Or Livetiming and streaming,Worldwide,ALL disciplines,Limited cost,Yip at the moment Grants system is not up to the same quality as Phil Darks production,What say we took ONE years TV investment and poured it into Ctas ???????

Did I mention this was the short version????

[budda]

CRIKEY!!! I can hear the paper bags rustling as the crazies awake,Best I get in fast before this turns into yet another "Maggie Thatcher benefit".
Short version,
When I took over as commissioner I researched the figures to justify what was going on before moving forward,After around 9-10 months of smoke and mirrors,Heres what I managed to extract.

Productions costs of $16,500 per round and then TV 1 would not show it on free to air unless the $20,000 advertising campaign was undertaken,Therefore to air limited coverage of a 5 round series(By limited I mean Supers and 600s only) would cost over $100,000 AND the series sponsors demanded it in return for their investment.

Sponsors investment:

So after even more smoke and mirrors that began with the statement "The sponsorship covers it"
It complied of at that stage,For roadracing 5 distributors @ $2,000 and 1 oil company $5000 = $15,000,Now I cannot categorically state that this is 100% correct due to the information(Or lack thereof) that I struggled to attain from the board and office,BUT it is pretty damned close at the very least,Therefore,Cost = $100,000+ funding outside of MNZ= $15,000 leaving us -$85,000 or more.

The statement made by Phil Dark that "In sport without TV you are dead" is backward thinking in my opinion(AND that is ONLY my opinion and not part of any concensus I have been involved in),My vision was to aim for the future which I see as the internet,Its common knowledge that in future years,People will not own a television but will instead view all material online,Its already started and I thought we should get in at the start as opposed to 10 years after everybody else,Enter Grant Collingwood and his Ctas system,Brilliant,Every second of every practice,Qualifying and race !!!! Yea I know "But its not primetime TV" BIG DEAL,When outfits like the Americas Cup organisers and the EPL start using it as an added tool and recognise its benefits,Shouldn't we be getting in on the action as well,Why the hell do we have to be followers???? Why can't we be the leaders,Even if it is just this once FFS,

Also,I question why MNZ have not contracted Grant or Purchased his business,WHY can't we utilise its benefits for,Moto X,Supercross,Enduro,Cross Country and even trials AND promote the thing for christs sake,Sell advertising and so on,Then we could really get some promotion of motorcycling WORLDWIDE,Not just on the VERY occassional Sunday and within NZ, Total cost to MNZ for Grants services at the recently completed NZSBK 2014=$6000.00.

So your choice TV at a huge cost with limited coverage,Or Livetiming and streaming,Worldwide,ALL disciplines,Limited cost,Yip at the moment Grants system is not up to the same quality as Phil Darks production,What say we took ONE years TV investment and poured it into Ctas ???????

Did I mention this was the short version????

Hard to argue ..........

[scrivy]

Did I mention this was the short version????

Spot on there Billy.

Thank fuck that was the concise version........ :lol:


Why do you have to make so much sense???
You going for the Pressies job next year? :scratch::not:

[scott411]

Hard to argue ..........

x 2

10 char

[Billy]

Spot on there Billy.

Thank fuck that was the concise version........ :lol:


Why do you have to make so much sense???
You going for the Pressies job next year? :scratch::not:

Pressies Job.....ME? No I thought there maybe a small chance I could detract form your nomination by splitting the vote hahahahahaha!

[RobGassit]

CRIKEY!!! I can hear the paper bags rustling as the crazies awake,Best I get in fast before this turns into yet another "Maggie Thatcher benefit".
Short version,
When I took over as commissioner I researched the figures to justify what was going on before moving forward,After around 9-10 months of smoke and mirrors,Heres what I managed to extract.

Productions costs of $16,500 per round and then TV 1 would not show it on free to air unless the $20,000 advertising campaign was undertaken,Therefore to air limited coverage of a 5 round series(By limited I mean Supers and 600s only) would cost over $100,000 AND the series sponsors demanded it in return for their investment.

Sponsors investment:

So after even more smoke and mirrors that began with the statement "The sponsorship covers it"
It complied of at that stage,For roadracing 5 distributors @ $2,000 and 1 oil company $5000 = $15,000,Now I cannot categorically state that this is 100% correct due to the information(Or lack thereof) that I struggled to attain from the board and office,BUT it is pretty damned close at the very least,Therefore,Cost = $100,000+ funding outside of MNZ= $15,000 leaving us -$85,000 or more.

The statement made by Phil Dark that "In sport without TV you are dead" is backward thinking in my opinion(AND that is ONLY my opinion and not part of any concensus I have been involved in),My vision was to aim for the future which I see as the internet,Its common knowledge that in future years,People will not own a television but will instead view all material online,Its already started and I thought we should get in at the start as opposed to 10 years after everybody else,Enter Grant Collingwood and his Ctas system,Brilliant,Every second of every practice,Qualifying and race !!!! Yea I know "But its not primetime TV" BIG DEAL,When outfits like the Americas Cup organisers and the EPL start using it as an added tool and recognise its benefits,Shouldn't we be getting in on the action as well,Why the hell do we have to be followers???? Why can't we be the leaders,Even if it is just this once FFS,

Also,I question why MNZ have not contracted Grant or Purchased his business,WHY can't we utilise its benefits for,Moto X,Supercross,Enduro,Cross Country and even trials AND promote the thing for christs sake,Sell advertising and so on,Then we could really get some promotion of motorcycling WORLDWIDE,Not just on the VERY occassional Sunday and within NZ, Total cost to MNZ for Grants services at the recently completed NZSBK 2014=$6000.00.

So your choice TV at a huge cost with limited coverage,Or Livetiming and streaming,Worldwide,ALL disciplines,Limited cost,Yip at the moment Grants system is not up to the same quality as Phil Darks production,What say we took ONE years TV investment and poured it into Ctas ???????

Did I mention this was the short version????

That's the future for sure, but if MNZ buy it or run it,, you are screwed. MNZ can't find it's own arse with both hands! Contractors and promoters who only have the "successful outcomes" axe to grind is the only way we can achieve anything.

[nodrog]

Cant we get some sort of a good deal with Telesport?

[scott411]

Cant we get some sort of a good deal with Telesport?

it has been said in the past that the deal we get is a good deal,

[Grumph]

it has been said in the past that the deal we get is a good deal,

Yeah, BUT....when you're dealing with the telly lot, come race day and everything is in place....then they ask for more money...

Ask Cosford what happened at wanganui - and why motorcycling disappeared off TV for some years.

While i'm not myself set up to see Ctas, i'd say it's probably the way forward.

[CHOPPA]

TV Coverage is more important to my sponsors that spectator attendance

Gate fees suck, its just the family and sponsors of the guys racing that usually show up and have to pay to watch. I think riders should be allocated with 10 passes free. If each rider could get 8 people there then we would have about 1000 spectators and create some atmosphere

[Billy]

TV Coverage is more important to my sponsors that spectator attendance

Gate fees suck, its just the family and sponsors of the guys racing that usually show up and have to pay to watch. I think riders should be allocated with 10 passes free. If each rider could get 8 people there then we would have about 1000 spectators and create some atmosphere

The reality is.There were 1000 through the gate at Manfeild and the clubs need that revenue to help pay the bills,My suggestion that they went for the no gate option for that round which also brings with it cheaper track hire was ignored as it would apparently cheapen the sport,Also I doubt many would bring 10 people with them,Especially if they were say from Christchurch and the meeting was at Taupo,The clubs are forced to ensure the series sponsors are provided with a number of tickets free of charge as it is and yet they see none of the money as it ALL goes towards the TV coverage,I took the step of forcing MNZ to provide the TT trophies this year as the Vic club was already looking at taking a bath and we are constantly told that those championships and associated titles belong to MNZ.Time to open the purse strings and start owning the Championships as we have been telling them for a number of years now,It shouldn't be the host clubs job to take the financial burden while being forced to supposedly operate to a ridiculous protocol forced on them by the board at MNZ.

[Brian d marge]

TV Coverage is more important to my sponsors that spectator attendance

Gate fees suck, its just the family and sponsors of the guys racing that usually show up and have to pay to watch. I think riders should be allocated with 10 passes free. If each rider could get 8 people there then we would have about 1000 spectators and create some atmosphere

Right Im going to be blunt , because Im off to watch you tube and said all this before;

paying money to sit in the windswept hell hole that constitutes a track ( as good as some of the layouts are ) with nothing much to do apart from try to figure out what the man on the tannoys is saying and watching a few bikes strung out around the circuit , not my or my families, idea of fun

( insert rant about sitting in a car on the bank at Ruapuna in horrible weather watching almost a track day .......borrrring )

Hell my wife gets bored when we go to Motegi ! and that has some awesome shops .....and speedway hamburger ,,,,the steak burger ,,,oh yes

TV,
That sponsorship thing hits the nail , TV , gets your sign ( company logo out to a lot of people but cost money , thats the catch 22 of tv .... )

but what about you tube,,,,, have you noticed the hits on some of the channels ........( Im mean Divine ,born to be cheap ...74 000 views!!! tell that to ur sponsors ( they to need feed back, proof of value for money etc) Google even pays for hits!!! )

Me , I need racers , I make parts and need people to test the parts ,due to what I do , I am familiar with the design , testing and implementation of parts ....but I have people refuse my sponsorship due to concerns about part reliability ..most of the testing is done before it goes on the bike ,....duhhhh)

So to sum up , No , the modern age is; facebook/twitter youtube and building subscribers , with incentives to visit sponsors web sites and trade using racing to improve their product ......

Paeroa ...... love it,,,, beer , shops, ,,,,, great first corner by the pub ,,,,the IOM in NZ ,,,,,,, ( wangas isnt so good but ,,,,,)


All in IMHO !!!

Stephen

ps this is 74 000 hits ........ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNM7dOx6aDI

[scott411]

TV Coverage is more important to my sponsors that spectator attendance

Gate fees suck, its just the family and sponsors of the guys racing that usually show up and have to pay to watch. I think riders should be allocated with 10 passes free. If each rider could get 8 people there then we would have about 1000 spectators and create some atmosphere

Why should the club/MNZ pay big money for TV for your sponsors to get TV coverage?,

you pay to watch live sport of any caliber, the warriors and super 15 teams are not free to watch, neither are NPC games, I think Riders should be able to buy cheaper tickets earlier, (win win for the club and rider) but dont think 10 free would help the clubs much, which already struggle to pay all the bills running these events,

[budda]

Why should the club/MNZ pay big money for TV for your sponsors to get TV coverage?,

you pay to watch live sport of any caliber, the warriors and super 15 teams are not free to watch, neither are NPC games, I think Riders should be able to buy cheaper tickets earlier, (win win for the club and rider) but dont think 10 free would help the clubs much, which already struggle to pay all the bills running these events,

That was very polite of you Scott - you feeling O.K. ?

[scrivy]

TV Coverage is more important to my sponsors that spectator attendance


Simple maths. No income from gate, racers entry fees double.
Unfortunately it would only cut the fields in half Chop.

[scott411]

That was very polite of you Scott - you feeling O.K. ?

its early, ill get warmed up later,

[scott411]

i personally think the CTAS live video and timign for the fanatics, and a good under 5 minute highlight package with interviews, thats up on youtube by monday night is the way we should be looking to go, and then maybe look at a season wrap up type deal that is suitable for the TV shows,

also it would be good to have the full results available updated during the day, even if its just to mylaps, as the problem sometimes wiht live timing is you miss a race, you cant find the results till the end of the day,

[Billy]

i personally think the CTAS live video and timign for the fanatics, and a good under 5 minute highlight package with interviews, thats up on youtube by monday night is the way we should be looking to go, and then maybe look at a season wrap up type deal that is suitable for the TV shows,

also it would be good to have the full results available updated during the day, even if its just to mylaps, as the problem sometimes wiht live timing is you miss a race, you cant find the results till the end of the day,

Yip,

Pretty much whats been ignored to date by the experts,You do realise Ctas has scroll back for results....Aye LOL

[scott411]

Yip,

Pretty much whats been ignored to date by the experts,You do realise Ctas has scroll back for results....Aye LOL

yeah but the scroll back is not that great for trying to find exact class results, if you upload to mylaps after every round its much easier,

[budda]

yeah but the scroll back is not that great for trying to find exact class results, if you upload to mylaps after every round its much easier,

Well there is an OBVIOUS answer - get theee to the raceeee

[jellywrestler]

TV Coverage is more important to my sponsors that spectator attendance

Gate fees suck, its just the family and sponsors of the guys racing that usually show up and have to pay to watch. I think riders should be allocated with 10 passes free. If each rider could get 8 people there then we would have about 1000 spectators and create some atmosphere

yeah then they just give them away to people who would pay at the gate anyway, better way is go to schools and give kids a demo of a bike and free tickets then daddy has to take em along and pay to get in. bit tough for south island nationals as it's school holiday time

[scott411]

yeah then they just give them away to people who would pay at the gate anyway, better way is go to schools and give kids a demo of a bike and free tickets then daddy has to take em along and pay to get in. bit tough for south island nationals as it's school holiday time

we did this for the Pukekohe round of the MX nationals, took Cody Cooper, Ben Townley, and a local kid to the local primary school, worked very well, also got the front page of the local rag because of it,

[budda]

yeah then they just give them away to people who would pay at the gate anyway, better way is go to schools and give kids a demo of a bike and free tickets then daddy has to take em along and pay to get in. bit tough for south island nationals as it's school holiday time

We used to run a colouring competition through all the local primary schools, prize was tickets etc awarded at a "meet the riders night"( usually the Friday Night ), and Mum n Dad had to take 'em, like you say. Worked well ........

[Brian d marge]

meanwhile the rest of the world is actually doing stuff

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Stephen