Busybody cops?

[Slorider]

Im not at all against them but holly molly-one pulled into the servo for gas today and decided to conduct legality checks on the forecourt,hardly a place to be nosey surely?.........lady in question didn't appear 'scum' although her reg was expired,whats yr opinion? personally I thought he was acting desperate considering we have an obvious element of losers around here who deserve and req their attention

[roy.nz]

I personally think cops should sit at the end of drive thu's and see what the end up with. Would be a good laugh.

[avgas]

I would be curious to know the statistics of crashed vehicles with no wof/reg vs having both.
I suspect having a wof means jack shit in terms of crashing and a rego means less. But wouldn't mind being proved wrong.

So yes, lady in a parked car. If I were her I would claim that I had the car towed, call a mate to have it towed home.

If cops wanna play traffic cop - they should keep it on the roads.

[unstuck]

Sounds like you need to get a life. FFS, is this fuckin facebook now.:facepalm:

[jim.cox]

Just doing his job - collecting tax and alienating the public

[Berries]

FFS, is this fuckin facebook now.:facepalm:

Like.




10mfc

[oneofsix]

I would be curious to know the statistics of crashed vehicles with no wof/reg vs having both.
I suspect having a wof means jack shit in terms of crashing and a rego means less. But wouldn't mind being proved wrong.

So yes, lady in a parked car. If I were her I would claim that I had the car towed, call a mate to have it towed home.

If cops wanna play traffic cop - they should keep it on the roads.

stats were brought out during the WOF debate and most people chose to ignore that they showed your suspicions are correct. The cop on the forecourt would have been better to do random safety checks and point out all the vehicles with up to date but invalid WOFs, failed lights would be a big one.

[MarkH]

Just doing his job - collecting tax and alienating the public


Here is the same cop dealing with a drunk:
http://www.tickld.com/cdn_image_content/41284.jpg

[Berg]

I would be curious to know the statistics of crashed vehicles with no wof/reg vs having both.
I suspect having a wof means jack shit in terms of crashing and a rego means less. But wouldn't mind being proved wrong.

So yes, lady in a parked car. If I were her I would claim that I had the car towed, call a mate to have it towed home.

If cops wanna play traffic cop - they should keep it on the roads.
Interestingly enough, many of the un-regoed, un-wofed vehicles I stop go hand in hand with shit driving habits and attitudes (not all, just many)
What I tend to find is people who don't give a rats about their vehicles also tend not to care how they drive. Just my observations of the past few years

[Katman]

Like.


Dude, it's the wrong colour and font.

Have you learnt nothing?

[Berries]

Unfortunately that is my total knowledge of Facebook.

[pritch]

Unfortunately that is my total knowledge of Facebook.

That's not at all unfortunate, more a state of grace. What with Facebook plundering your page for info to sell to advertisers, and the NSA, ASD, GCSB and God knows who all else having access for whatever. All of which may appear paranoid, but on the Internet "they" are out there and they are out to get you. Paranoia rules. :devil2:

[Stylo]

Im not at all against them but holly molly-one pulled into the servo for gas today and decided to conduct legality checks on the forecourt,hardly a place to be nosey surely?.........lady in question didn't appear 'scum' although her reg was expired,whats yr opinion? personally I thought he was acting desperate considering we have an obvious element of losers around here who deserve and req their attention

I was filling up the car recently when my Dentist pulled up to the adjacent pump and , while his Range Rover was being replenished( glug glug ) saw me, said hi and asked me to open my mouth so he could check the recent work he'd done replacing some broken teeth. In the middle of the forecourt of the Mobil station.

I reckon that's pretty special and it probably saved me a few bucks as well for not having to book in for a post-op check up . True story

Ps my teeth are fine and, apologies for being slightly off-topic.

[Slorider]

^ he simply saw an opportunity to recouperate his gas money and exploited his position in the process,highly unprofessional

[cheshirecat]

^ he simply saw an opportunity to recouperate his gas money and exploited his position in the process,highly unprofessional
There's no way gas money can be recuperated for a Range Rover. One time I filled it up the attendant asked me to move to another pump as it had drained the first.

[Akzle]

safer communities together motherfucker.

You just be fucken grateful theyre out there saving your god fearin, rootin tootin votin lilly white ass from all thats unholy.

[Asher]

If i was the servo manager i would have gone out and told the cop to fuck right off. Badgering and driving away customers...

[Berries]

I had the impression they were not allowed to prosecute for traffic offenses on private property unless the person they were after was being chased onto the property.
Excellent. Next time someone takes my parking spot at New World I will wait until they get out of their car and then run them over.



I was filling up the car recently when my Dentist pulled up to the adjacent pump and , while his Range Rover was being replenished( glug glug ) saw me, said hi and asked me to open my mouth so he could check the recent work he'd done replacing some broken teeth. In the middle of the forecourt of the Mobil station.
I met my proctologist on the forecourt at BP last week.






We are in court on Tuesday.

[Maha]

I personally think cops should sit at the end of drive thu's and see what the end up with. Would be a good laugh.

I had to walk through one of them last Friday night, well walk back to be honest, I didn't pay at the first window....:apumpin:

[James Deuce]

I had the impression they were not allowed to prosecute for traffic offenses on private property unless the person they were after was being chased onto the property.

Nope. Due to the successive erosion of human rights in NZ they can knock on your front door and ask to look at your vehicle. Thank goodness NZ cops aren't as small-minded as Australian and US cops. You can also be detained indefinitely for refusing to go through the testing process at a drunk driving check. Again, the only thing protecting you from a massive abuse of privilege is the average Kiwi cop's attitude to his job.

[nzspokes]

I read that they were able to do this in the paper a few months back so the next step will be them patrolling supermarket car parks etc. I had the impression they were not allowed to prosecute for traffic offenses on private property unless the person they were after was being chased onto the property.

They will be fitting NPR cameras to all petrol stations so they dont even have to bother having a cop there.

[James Deuce]

They will be fitting NPR cameras to all petrol stations so they dont even have to bother having a cop there.

That wouldn't surprise me at all.

[nzspokes]

That wouldn't surprise me at all.

Riding a bike on hold rego could get a little expensive.

[pritch]

Was riding across town on the one-way system a few weeks ago and became aware that there was a :Police: car keeping pace with me to my left. I glanced across to see what he was up to, and he was trying to read my rego label. There isn't much to read, he must've been a slow reader. The thought occurred that what he was doing is as dangerous as using a cell phone while driving. There ougta be a law against it. :whistle:

[roy.nz]

safer communities together motherfucker.

You just be fucken grateful theyre out there saving your god fearin, rootin tootin votin lilly white ass from all thats unholy.


Thank you!! :Police::Police::Police:

[jahrasti]

I read that they were able to do this in the paper a few months back so the next step will be them patrolling supermarket car parks etc. I had the impression they were not allowed to prosecute for traffic offenses on private property unless the person they were after was being chased onto the property.

Na bro, your example of a supermarket carpark is considered a public place.

I believe you may be talkin' about chasing someone in "fresh pursuit" through private properties. Yes you may but there are rules for that too.

There was always the common law right to enter a property (not to do what you like however) but S&S 2012 has superseded that (but Police still can't do what they like once on the property).

[jahrasti]

Im not at all against them but holly molly-one pulled into the servo for gas today and decided to conduct legality checks on the forecourt,hardly a place to be nosey surely?.........lady in question didn't appear 'scum' although her reg was expired,whats yr opinion? personally I thought he was acting desperate considering we have an obvious element of losers around here who deserve and req their attention

Could you please define what you mean by losers for me? Is that a low socioeconomic person, or what constitutes a loser?

Sooo did the lady is question get a ticket, for all you know she might not have even known it was expired and was grateful for the reminder. I could have been a fleet vehicle and she didn't even handle the registration.

Contrary to popular belief, Police may eat alot of donuts but they don't all issue hundreds of traffic tickets.

Although today (18/05/2014) I do see that the popo bosses seem to drink alot of free coffee on the card, while Constable Joe Bloggs lost his half price BP coffee.

[FJRider]

They will be fitting NPR cameras to all petrol stations so they dont even have to bother having a cop there.

They have access to the cctv pictures of already installed cameras ... in most gas stations.

On the grounds of "looking for suspects" ... if they really need an excuse.

[FJRider]

I read that they were able to do this in the paper a few months back so the next step will be them patrolling supermarket car parks etc.

In areas "Where the Public have access" ... they can Patrol and ticket to their hearts content.

Dole "Paydays" used to be their favorite days to patrol (on foot) supermarket car parks ... (and pub car parks)


I had the impression they were not allowed to prosecute for traffic offenses on private property unless the person they were after was being chased onto the property.

On closed (ie: Locked gate) private roads ... and signed as such ... no. If public have access (even through closed but not locked gates) ... YES.

If it involves "whilst in pursuit" of an offender ... yes.

[mstriumph]

Just doing his job - collecting tax and alienating the public

cynicism is us :no:

[avgas]

Interestingly enough, many of the un-regoed, un-wofed vehicles I stop go hand in hand with shit driving habits and attitudes (not all, just many)
What I tend to find is people who don't give a rats about their vehicles also tend not to care how they drive. Just my observations of the past few years
Fair call. But I wonder if that would change if people didn't get asked about it.

I was previously commenting less on the driver and more on the car.
Over here they don't seem to give a fuck - cos you get sued to kingdom come when you hit someone. Most of the old trucks are so rusted that the flares are gone.

With that being said - mainly see new cars in accidents. Old ones blown up on the side of the road.

Which back to my question - if we removed the wof. How many more cars would crash? Cos it looks like zero.

[mstriumph]

safer communities together motherfucker.

You just be fucken grateful theyre out there saving your god fearin, rootin tootin votin lilly white ass from all thats unholy.

Sorry, fella ...
... they are more trouble, expense and aggravation than they are worth. If MY (non) "lilly white" posterior needs saving I'm more than capable of doing it myself, thank you very please.

All that gets in the way is a web of contradictory, dense, open-to-misinterpretation legislative bulldust and a simpering nanny state that doesn't think the ordinary man/woman is capable of wiping their own noses without a raft of procedural gobbledegook-verbiage to "guide" them.

And as for 'god fearin' - I am no more afraid of your imaginary friend than I am of any other man-made construct (except perhaps the live forest in 'Snow White' - THAT gave me nightmares as a child) ... perhaps, in YOUR book that makes ME 'all that's unholy'. That'd be fun.

Don't know how much of this post is comedy, valid retort or just comeback because you seem to have a knack of irritating me. Don't really care :bleh: go find a cop to hug or something :Police:

[Kickaha]

Which back to my question - if we removed the wof. How many more cars would crash? Cos it looks like zero.

Retards would be out in force in any old heap of shit they could drive, if you spent a few day or a week or so at somewhere that does warrants it'd be a big eye opener for you just how shit some vehicles on our roads are

[swbarnett]

Retards would be out in force in any old heap of shit they could drive, if you spent a few day or a week or so at somewhere that does warrants it'd be a big eye opener for you just how shit some vehicles on our roads are
Yes, but would those POS vehicles actually cause an accident if not remedied?

[Kickaha]

Yes, but would those POS vehicles actually cause an accident if not remedied?

No way of telling whether they would or wouldn't

From what I have seen I think the WOF serves a useful purpose other peoples opinions may differ

[mstriumph]

...........................................
Which back to my question - if we removed the wof. How many more cars would crash? Cos it looks like zero.


Yep - the only negative impact would be on revenue currently earned from NZ's finest policing and enforcing yet ANOTHER stupid, restrictive impost on a populace already overburdened with such.

Not just NZ though - the planet is LITTERED with unnecessary restrictions ...
Aus has made a start on getting rid of some of the rubbish but don't kid yourself there's not a barrowload still remaining http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/26/repeal-day-australia-red-tape.

... and as for the Johnathons .... http://www.legalzoom.com/us-law/more-us-law/top-craziest-laws-still ... (but SURELY that's a spoof? :rolleyes:)

[mstriumph]

.................... The cop on the forecourt would have been better to do random safety checks and point out all the vehicles with up to date but invalid WOFs, failed lights would be a big one.

That's my biggest bleat in WA - you cannot drive a Km down the road at night without encountering a veh with either badly-adjusted or non-operative lights; most of these are newish-looking vehicles, too.

And the kicker is that I've seen cop cars drive straight past these vehs without challenge. Unbelievable.

[Kickaha]

That's my biggest bleat in WA - you cannot drive a Km down the road at night without encountering a veh with either badly-adjusted or non-operative lights; most of these are newish-looking vehicles, too.
WOF check would pick that up:msn-wink:

What do they have as a roadworthiness check over there?

[R650R]

Retards would be out in force in any old heap of shit they could drive, if you spent a few day or a week or so at somewhere that does warrants it'd be a big eye opener for you just how shit some vehicles on our roads are

Agree 100% You only have to watch police 10/7 for five mins just to see some of the stuff they randomly catch.

And for the other posters it may not cause an accident but minor faults can seriously affect the control after a vehicle skids or swerves etc...
I can't believe the LTSA has let some 'good' companies issue their own COFs... its so desperate at some companies the only way to get things fixed sometimes is to pull into the weighbridge and point it out to the cops...

Berg is fairly right though. Through friends and families of mine across a wide range of backgrounds the ones who always have no wof/rego are usually involved in dodgy stuff or their partner is...

As for supermarkets, any place the public has access without restriction is technically a roadway. Was told at forklift course that out company at the time would be 100% liable for running over any one of the office workers from surrounding businesses that cut across our unfenced yard as there was no warning sign to say danger hoist, keep out etc. With shoplifting at epidemic proportions I'd say a carpark is a very likely place to get pulled these days as the cops are there every five mins...

[avgas]

Retards would be out in force in any old heap of shit they could drive, if you spent a few day or a week or so at somewhere that does warrants it'd be a big eye opener for you just how shit some vehicles on our roads are
Um they do that anyway......winz pays the fines.

[avgas]

Yep - the only negative impact would be on revenue currently earned from NZ's finest policing and enforcing yet ANOTHER stupid, restrictive impost on a populace already overburdened with such.

Not just NZ though - the planet is LITTERED with unnecessary restrictions ...
Went through the drama here in buying a car. Took a week to drive it home.
1 week from test driving it, to actually driving it home.

None of that week involved checking if the brakes actually worked (they did). But we did have the following issues:
- Needed STATE (not national) ID.
- Needed proof of insurance.
- Needed vehicle to get emissions check
- Needed to change of ownership
- Needed to have plates issued in out name
- Needed to have insurance placed on the vehicle under those plates.

This was pay cash in full also - so I skipped the extra day of finance bullshit.

But no check to see if the car was actually road worthy. When I asked how often I need to get it checked for road-worthyness the guy simply looked at me and said "ya need to get the emissions checked again in 2 year, and also VISIT the dmv to renew your registration"
(that's right kids - every time you need to do something you must visit a DMV - which basically means you kill a day to drive to some building in the middle of nowhere.......just to top up your rego).

But no checking brakes or tyres or brake lines or suspension or driveline or.....
However if your exhaust leaks your fucked lol.

[swbarnett]

No way of telling whether they would or wouldn't
Agreed. Until it is tried there is no way to be sure. Seeing as how we're one of the few counties (or the only one?) in the world that still has a WOF system I suspect not.

[pritch]

Agreed. Until it is tried there is no way to be sure. Seeing as how we're one of the few counties (or the only one?) in the world that still has a WOF system I suspect not.

There is apparently a big Euro company does warrant type checks because it was them driving the much tighter restrictions on bikes through the European parliament. They were trying to get a "super warrant" introduced in the EEC which would have failed any motorcycle with any modifications to the brakes, engine, or the drive chain IIRC.

They got stopped first time but I understand they are lobbying the politicians hard. All in the name of safety. No interest like self interest.

[Akzle]

Sorry, fella ...
... they are more trouble, expense and aggravation than they are worth. If MY (non) "lilly white" posterior needs saving I'm more than capable of doing it myself, thank you very please.

All that gets in the way is a web of contradictory, dense, open-to-misinterpretation legislative bulldust and a simpering nanny state that doesn't think the ordinary man/woman is capable of wiping their own noses without a raft of procedural gobbledegook-verbiage to "guide" them.

And as for 'god fearin' - I am no more afraid of your imaginary friend than I am of any other man-made construct (except perhaps the live forest in 'Snow White' - THAT gave me nightmares as a child) ... perhaps, in YOUR book that makes ME 'all that's unholy'. That'd be fun.

Don't know how much of this post is comedy, valid retort or just comeback because you seem to have a knack of irritating me. Don't really care :bleh: go find a cop to hug or something :Police:

oh darling. You need a hug.
With my penis.

[FJRider]

oh darling. You need a hug.
With my penis.

As usual ... you would fall SHORT of expectations ...

You need a life ... and another 6 inches ...

[jim.cox]

as I know I am the better person.

Yet another up themselves condescending member of Blue Gang, huh?

[FJRider]

So when your house is burgled or somebody does an agg robs on you or you get beaten to a pulp you'll want me to attend. I will still attend no matter what you think as I know I am the better person.

:Police:

Considering .. SHE lives in Australia ... that WOULD be above (and beyond) the call of duty ... :killingme

My suggestion ... google the meaning of Reality.

[James Deuce]

So when your house is burgled or somebody does an agg robs on you or you get beaten to a pulp you'll want me to attend. I will still attend no matter what you think as I know I am the better person.

:Police:

So where were you when we were burgled when we moved? Where were you when we located the stuff but the Insurance companyy refused to gte involved, as did the Police? Why are the Police now refusing to release the stuff they've recovered from that burglary after we tipped them off to our stuff appearing on Trademe?

Be honest. The Police do not care about property crime. They view it as an insurance mateer whihc gives the insurance compnaies carte blanche to refuse claims for a variety of reasons, number one of which is that the Police to seem to support our claim of being burgled and we didn't own a washing machine in the first place. Or any of the other stuff we have receipts and retailer provided proof of purchase and ownership?

I accept that NZ Police are less aggressive than most of their overseas counterparts and for that I am grateful. I do not accept that they give a crap about anything except getting easy convictions. They certainly do not care about solving crime quickly or preventing harm to the average Joe, either property theft or physical harm. However if you retailiate of your own accord, you find yourself in trouble fairly rapidly.

[Madness]

I do not accept that they give a crap about anything except getting easy convictions.

Don't forget infringements.

[jahrasti]

Yet another up themselves condescending member of Blue Gang, huh?

Do you mean he is a member of the Crip Nation?

http://hiphopisland.com/Got2know/Bloods%20and%20Crips/Crips/pic1.jpg

[jahrasti]

So where were you when we were burgled when we moved? Where were you when we located the stuff but the Insurance companyy refused to gte involved, as did the Police? Why are the Police now refusing to release the stuff they've recovered from that burglary after we tipped them off to our stuff appearing on Trademe?

Be honest. The Police do not care about property crime. They view it as an insurance mateer whihc gives the insurance compnaies carte blanche to refuse claims for a variety of reasons, number one of which is that the Police to seem to support our claim of being burgled and we didn't own a washing machine in the first place. Or any of the other stuff we have receipts and retailer provided proof of purchase and ownership?

I accept that NZ Police are less aggressive than most of their overseas counterparts and for that I am grateful. I do not accept that they give a crap about anything except getting easy convictions. They certainly do not care about solving crime quickly or preventing harm to the average Joe, either property theft or physical harm. However if you retailiate of your own accord, you find yourself in trouble fairly rapidly.

Property Crime as you call it comes under the Dishonesty umbrella (theft ex shop burglary and the like) and yes it is very hard work for often little results. A young person may get spanked with a semi wet bus ticket for multiple burglary convictions, hell adults as well.

Quite often it is very hard to Police i.e solve and obtain a conviction. The wheels can often turn at less than snails pace, but sometimes they have to.
If the popo dont follow the rules it gets kicked to touch (look at the chch boy racer thing). I know some very hard working people that are passionate about catching burglars (and don't issue tickets :shit:), but hey I cant speak for the whole country.

If someone you know or even yourself for example have ever bought something that you know to be "hot" then you are helping the circle of crime. The old adage is very true. Without receivers there would be no burglaries. Well alot less anyway :sunny:.

[James Deuce]

So are you accusing me of receiving stolen goods? And have even vaguely thought of the implications of having stuff stolen and then not being able to replace it? If yes to either: Go fuck yourself you small-minded Police apologist.

[oneofsix]

Interestingly enough, many of the un-regoed, un-wofed vehicles I stop go hand in hand with shit driving habits and attitudes (not all, just many)
What I tend to find is people who don't give a rats about their vehicles also tend not to care how they drive. Just my observations of the past few years

Are you saying the WOF system hides all those shit drivers just above the line that occasionally wrangle a WOF and therefore a rego?

[R650R]

So where were you when we were burgled when we moved? Where were you when we located the stuff but the Insurance companyy refused to gte involved, as did the Police? Why are the Police now refusing to release the stuff they've recovered from that burglary after we tipped them off to our stuff appearing on Trademe?

Be honest. The Police do not care about property crime. They view it as an insurance mateer whihc gives the insurance compnaies carte blanche to refuse claims for a variety of reasons, number one of which is that the Police to seem to support our claim of being burgled and we didn't own a washing machine in the first place. Or any of the other stuff we have receipts and retailer provided proof of purchase and ownership?

I accept that NZ Police are less aggressive than most of their overseas counterparts and for that I am grateful. I do not accept that they give a crap about anything except getting easy convictions. They certainly do not care about solving crime quickly or preventing harm to the average Joe, either property theft or physical harm. However if you retailiate of your own accord, you find yourself in trouble fairly rapidly.

They do care but they are just overwhelmed with dealing with all the nutbars and immediate threat to life incidents daily. The amount of serious crap happening out there is massively under reported by the media.
The govt has forced them to react immediately to any sort of arguments between people with the focus on domestic violence and bullying etc.
There are that many fruitcakes out there now with brains fried from P or whatever that its not funny and like anyone they have good days and bad days customer service wise.
I've had some poor 'customer service' from them at times but mostly due to the inept civilian tools they have at the comms centre with idiots talking over you while your trying to give the rego number of an offender leaving the scene...
But the rare occasions when they have been needed for serious stuff they've been pretty sharp and committed.

[jahrasti]

So are you accusing me of receiving stolen goods? And have even vaguely thought of the implications of having stuff stolen and then not being able to replace it? If yes to either: Go fuck yourself you small-minded Police apologist.

No, I clearly spelt out an example of the problem faced by society when it comes to dishonesty offending. That includes objects of great sentimental value.

I can still have a go at fucking myself if you like.

[awayatc]

I can still have a go at fucking myself if you like.

Suit yourself,

90 % of boys in blue don't care much about burglaries and such

so if you want a real good fucking over...

take your bike for a wee spin

chances are you will get "lucky"

[roy.nz]

I would love all you police haters to go go go ride with them for a week to really see what goes on. Stop believing what the media drips feeds you.

[awayatc]

Ride with them for a week ?

Be glad to go for just 1 ride, 1 day

without having to deal with the fuckers

[Madness]

I would love all you police haters to go go go ...

http://youtu.be/ZFo8-JqzSCM

[Scuba_Steve]

They do care.

Yep so much so now that in a theft you report it & a week later receive a letter stating
"thank you for reporting this crime here's your case number unfortunately due to insufficient evidence we're unable to find the offender"
Not once did they contact the victims for info, not once did they come round for fingerprinting or to check the scene, absolutely no effort at all was made... If only we had fines for thieves

[R650R]

Yep so much so now that in a theft you report it & a week later receive a letter stating
"thank you for reporting this crime here's your case number unfortunately due to insufficient evidence we're unable to find the offender"
Not once did they contact the victims for info, not once did they come round for fingerprinting or to check the scene, absolutely no effort at all was made... If only we had fines for thieves

Yeah that new CRL setup is annoying the first time you try to ring your local number and it takes them five mins to get to the part where "if the offenders are still at the scene or nearby hang up and call 111"
But it makes sense if you think about it, the phone line person is going to record same details you would say to cop. If you, the neighbours saw nothing or no cctv who are they going to look for?
Better they driving around the street stopping and turning over known perps than holding someones hand over tea and scones for 30mins cause their lawnmower left unsecured in backyard etc got taken.
In the last five years I've probably called them about 3 times for actual burgs in progress or highly suspicious perps, all cases multiple patrol cars on scene in less than 6mins, one time about 2mins.
When shed got broken into fingerprint guy was there within two days and spent considerable amount of time doing his job.

[Akzle]

Property Crime as you call it comes under the Dishonesty umbrella (theft ex shop burglary and the like) and yes it is very hard work for often little results. A young person may get spanked with a semi wet bus ticket for multiple burglary convictions, hell adults as well.

Quite often it is very hard to Police i.e solve and obtain a conviction. The wheels can often turn at less than snails pace, but sometimes they have to.
If the popo dont follow the rules it gets kicked to touch (look at the chch boy racer thing). I know some very hard working people that are passionate about catching burglars (and don't issue tickets :shit:), but hey I cant speak for the whole country.

If someone you know or even yourself for example have ever bought something that you know to be "hot" then you are helping the circle of crime. The old adage is very true. Without receivers there would be no burglaries. Well alot less anyway :sunny:.

you dumb shit. The police have heaps of budget. Crimes all solved, now they can focus on the minor things, like 5km/hr, to help the fund for the christmas pig. Err, ham, uhh. Pork.
Well. Whatever the cunts are doing for the J mans birthday.

Wont somebody do something?!
Fuck that. Vote someone else to.

[roy.nz]

you dumb shit. The police have heaps of budget. Crimes all solved, now they can focus on the minor things, like 5km/hr, to help the fund for the christmas pig. Err, ham, uhh. Pork.
Well. Whatever the cunts are doing for the J mans birthday.

Wont somebody do something?!
Fuck that. Vote someone else to.


Glad you think they have heaps of budget. Another person taking the medias word.

[Akzle]

Glad you think they have heaps of budget. Another person taking the medias word.

oh darling. I think you need a hug. With my penis.

[awayatc]

No point needling her.........

[jahrasti]

you dumb shit. The police have heaps of budget. Crimes all solved, now they can focus on the minor things, like 5km/hr, to help the fund for the christmas pig. Err, ham, uhh. Pork.
Well. Whatever the cunts are doing for the J mans birthday.

Wont somebody do something?!
Fuck that. Vote someone else to.

Axel oh sorry Akzle, I find this post absolutely disgusting :baby:. Are you having a bad day?

This post is not a piss take and its hardly even a troll, Definitely not up to your usual standards by any means.

Can you sort it out please :banana:.

[Pixie]

Interestingly enough, many of the un-regoed, un-wofed vehicles I stop go hand in hand with shit driving habits and attitudes (not all, just many)
What I tend to find is people who don't give a rats about their vehicles also tend not to care how they drive. Just my observations of the past few years

Ohh fucking wonderful.
So you give them a ticket for whatever and let them go off and continue their shit driving habits and attitudes.
So,how did that achieve anything.
Dumb fucking cops.

[Akzle]

This post is not a piss take and its hardly even a troll, Definitely not up to your usual standards by any means.


au contraire sir. It is both.
Terribly effective too.

[Kiwi Graham]

So Friday afternoon SH27 towing a trailer, revenue cop pulls me over after mighty immpresive U turn and pings me for 94 K's??!! I asked about the 10% thingy and he said its discretionary??
No attitude from me at all leading up to this statement but when he said that he could see the total lack of respect drain out of me (I must say I disn't have a lot for these revenue cops anyway).
And they wonder why the public is loosing respect for the police!

[Akzle]

And they wonder why the public is loosing respect for the police!

-ing?
Lost, more like.

[awayatc]

And they wonder why the public is loosing respect for the police!

They have been targeting people like you and me with ever increasing vigor for the last few years.

They run the biggest extortion racket I ever had the displeasure of fallen victim to.....

the worst part of it is,that unlike with other patched or unpatched scum

one isn't allowed to defend oneself.....

allthough the temptation is becoming almost irresistable......

[Akzle]

one isn't allowed to defend oneself.....

allthough the temptation is becoming almost irresistable......

oh, one can defend oneself son.
the pen is mightier than the sword, and all that.

words like "CONsent" (i do not) and "jurisdiction" (fuckoff) actually still carry weight when you go to the bank (bench) and see the fully grown men playing dressups and talking funny (court/ caught).

learn to use em good. most cops are fucking morons. just like most normal people.

and they day they have no weight at crown court, well, then we load the magazines and bandoliers and, err, enforce the peace against those determined to fuck it up.

[unstuck]

and they day they have no weight at crown court, well, then we load the magazines and bandoliers and, err, enforce the peace against those determined to fuck it up.

Sungu Sungu? :crazy::motu:

[swbarnett]

Glad you think they have heaps of budget. Another person taking the medias word.
KB definitely needs a sarcasm smiley.

[swbarnett]

So Friday afternoon SH27 towing a trailer, revenue cop pulls me over after mighty immpresive U turn and pings me for 94 K's??!!
That ticket is illegal and the cops know it! If your speedo is legally allowed to be 10% inaccurate you can hardly be blamed for being up to 10% over.

[oldrider]

Should be :Police: consigned to supermarket parking lots! ... The number of unregistered unwarranted unroadworthy vehicles parking there is astonishing!

If I am waiting for her indoors I sometimes just wonder around the parking lot and check a few vehicles out just filling in time, amazing!

Careful where we park our car now try to park as far away where others don't park, if they don't care about their own they sure as hell wont care about ours!

Death by a thousand dings and you get no insurance for them and the dickwits don't give a fuck ... your just screwed! :doh:

[BoristheBiter]

That ticket is illegal and the cops know it! If your speedo is legally allowed to be 10% inaccurate you can hardly be blamed for being up to 10% over.

Please do share where you got those facts from.

[imdying]

Please do share where you got those facts from.Pretty much... they don't test speedometers for accuracy in NZ, and it's not a requirement in the VIRM. In fact there are only very modest requirements for one in the VIRM.

[BoristheBiter]

Pretty much... they don't test speedometers for accuracy in NZ, and it's not a requirement in the VIRM. In fact there are only very modest requirements for one in the VIRM.

So? the point? (in relation to SWB post)

[R650R]

That ticket is illegal and the cops know it! If your speedo is legally allowed to be 10% inaccurate you can hardly be blamed for being up to 10% over.

Even IF that were true and I doubt it its redundant in this case as the offender pretty much confessed to speeding and confirmed/accepted the 94 figure by asking about tolerance.
That's why the cops enjoy letting people have a rant as somewhere in their spiel they confess to the speeding or whatever and therefore throw away any chance of defending the charge/ticket.
And a judge wouldn't even hear the case unless you presented some stunning evidence at deposition of why you stand a glimmer of being innocent.
I got pulled in truck one night for 112 kph with broken speedo from two days earlier, told the cop and he said but you know your definitely above 90 and I agreed and whamo no chance of getting of that.

[Scuba_Steve]

That ticket is illegal and the cops know it!

Every ticket is illegal, but I wouldn't give the Police gang that much credit as to say they know it.

[Erelyes]

I've had some poor 'customer service' from them at times but mostly due to the inept civilian tools they have at the comms centre with idiots talking over you while your trying to give the rego number of an offender leaving the scene...

On the way back from Chch last night I had a truck about 3m off my arse. I was making full and entire use of the national speed limit, so the fact he caught up to me (passing another truck in the process) was a bit unnerving. Pretty heavy duty fucker with a trailer to boot, but not quite B train.

In the rear-view I could see that he had a VERY interesting front numberplate setup. It was mounted to a hinged flap, and the flap was perfectly visible at 50km's. On the open road it was blown back to about a 70 degree angle. Any speed camera or passing motorist would have zero chance of spotting it. It was such that at first glance I didn't even think he had a plate.

When we *555'd them the lady at the call centre seemed entirely blase about the whole thing and simply said they had no-one in the area at the time but they would note it down.

From memory of previous posts you know a fair bit.. what do you reckon - standard fare? simple oversight? or the dodgiest cunt truckie that ever dodged cunts?

[Erelyes]

most cops are fucking morons. just like most normal people.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs

[swbarnett]

Please do share where you got those facts from.
Admittedly it was something I was told by someone in the know about 30 years ago. Whether it's actually in legislation in such clear terms remains to be seen.

Anyway, for all practical purposes it's impossible to predict what the speed gun is going to read for any given reading on the car's speedo. Hell, the early ones in Britain registered a tree doing 100mph and a microwave doing 300.

When a cop pulls someone over for 4kph over the limit they cannot say with any certainty at all that the driver was deliberately speeding. At least at 10 over the chances of the speed being normal fluctuations for terrain etc. are much lower.

[swbarnett]

Even IF that were true and I doubt it its redundant in this case as the offender pretty much confessed to speeding and confirmed/accepted the 94 figure by asking about tolerance.
Indeed


I got pulled in truck one night for 112 kph with broken speedo from two days earlier, told the cop and he said but you know your definitely above 90 and I agreed and whamo no chance of getting of that.
I think they gave you the wrong ticket. Surely a "working" speedo is a legal requirement?

[swbarnett]

Every ticket is illegal, but I wouldn't give the Police gang that much credit as to say they know it.
Yeah, that would be endowing them with a level of deviousness that's probably beyond most of them.

[BoristheBiter]

Admittedly it was something I was told by someone in the know about 30 years ago. Whether it's actually in legislation in such clear terms remains to be seen.

Anyway, for all practical purposes it's impossible to predict what the speed gun is going to read for any given reading on the car's speedo. Hell, the early ones in Britain registered a tree doing 100mph and a microwave doing 300.

When a cop pulls someone over for 4kph over the limit they cannot say with any certainty at all that the driver was deliberately speeding. At least at 10 over the chances of the speed being normal fluctuations for terrain etc. are much lower.

It's not.
All they have to prove is you were going over the speed limit.
whether or not the drivers knows that, the speedo is correct/incorrect or you were/weren't aware of it is irrelevant.

[scumdog]

oh, one can defend oneself son.
the pen is mightier than the sword, and all that.

words like "CONsent" (i do not) and "jurisdiction" (fuckoff) actually still carry weight when you go to the bank (bench) and see the fully grown men playing dressups and talking funny (court/ caught).

learn to use em good. most cops are fucking morons. just like most normal people.

and they day they have no weight at crown court, well, then we load the magazines and bandoliers and, err, enforce the peace against those determined to fuck it up.

Fuck you're SO full of shit!:lol:

[scumdog]

Ohh fucking wonderful.
So you give them a ticket for whatever and let them go off and continue their shit driving habits and attitudes.
So,how did that achieve anything.
Dumb fucking cops.

OK, I'll bite on a lame troll (Lame ones are easier to catch)

So, assuming the driver can't be dealt with by anything 'stronger' than a ticket how do YOU suggest these drivers be taken off the road? Or soundly educated while they're stopped?

If they can be taken off the road on the spot they generally are.

[Akzle]

Fuck you're SO full of shit!:lol:

qed
.

[swbarnett]

All they have to prove is you were going over the speed limit.
So someone who's brakes have failed could rightly be given a speeding ticket on a long downhill? Circumstances do matter.


whether or not the drivers knows that, the speedo is correct/incorrect or you were/weren't aware of it is irrelevant.
Yeah, that old chestnut - "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." There is a corollary to that - "be reasonable". That's even been used in court - "what would a reasonable person do?". To my mind a reasonable person cannot be expected to know their speed to more than the accuracy of their speedo. Given that the average speedo is not nearly as accurate as a police speed gun I would posit that a reasonable person cannot be regarded as "speeding" when registered at 4kph over the limit.

[imdying]

So? the point? (in relation to SWB post)The point is I agree with your post, as far as I can tell from what is legally required for a vehicle in service, those are not facts.

[imdying]

So someone who's brakes have failed could rightly be given a speeding ticket on a long downhill? Circumstances do matter.It seems likely that, once they have caught you (given that with no brakes you're going to take a while to respond to their flashing lights as you go through the gears whilst using your handbrake), you should easily be able to demonstrate those circumstances, and you're unlikely to get a ticket. Mind you, if the car is a piece of shite, I would expect to pick up a few tickets for that instead.

[BoristheBiter]

So someone who's brakes have failed could rightly be given a speeding ticket on a long downhill? Circumstances do matter.

yep along with, not up to wof standard and a pink sticker.



Yeah, that old chestnut - "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." There is a corollary to that - "be reasonable". That's even been used in court - "what would a reasonable person do?". To my mind a reasonable person cannot be expected to know their speed to more than the accuracy of their speedo. Given that the average speedo is not nearly as accurate as a police speed gun I would posit that a reasonable person cannot be regarded as "speeding" when registered at 4kph over the limit.

Well you go and use that as a defense in court and tell us how you got on.

Most reasonable persons know that most speedo's read under, so will be well aware that they are speeding.

[Swoop]

In the rear-view I could see that he had a VERY interesting front numberplate setup. It was mounted to a hinged flap, and the flap was perfectly visible at 50km's. On the open road it was blown back to about a 70 degree angle. Any speed camera or passing motorist would have zero chance of spotting it. It was such that at first glance I didn't even think he had a plate.

Two key-rings do a superb job. Cheap and effective.

Or so I've been told...:shifty:

[BoristheBiter]

The point is I agree with your post, as far as I can tell from what is legally required for a vehicle in service, those are not facts.

:facepalm:carry on:facepalm:

[Scuba_Steve]

Most reasonable persons know that most speedo's read under, so will be well aware that they are speeding.

Guess I'm not to reasonable then as like many others I know speedo reads fast

[buggerit]

On the way back from Chch last night I had a truck about 3m off my arse. I was making full and entire use of the national speed limit, so the fact he caught up to me (passing another truck in the process) was a bit unnerving. Pretty heavy duty fucker with a trailer to boot, but not quite B train.

In the rear-view I could see that he had a VERY interesting front numberplate setup. It was mounted to a hinged flap, and the flap was perfectly visible at 50km's. On the open road it was blown back to about a 70 degree angle. Any speed camera or passing motorist would have zero chance of spotting it. It was such that at first glance I didn't even think he had a plate.

When we *555'd them the lady at the call centre seemed entirely blase about the whole thing and simply said they had no-one in the area at the time but they would note it down.

From memory of previous posts you know a fair bit.. what do you reckon - standard fare? simple oversight? or the dodgiest cunt truckie that ever dodged cunts?

So, were you happy to remain his crumple zone or did you let him past?

[awayatc]

They tell you there is no cop in the area.......

problem fuck'n solved isn't it?

[swbarnett]

yep along with, not up to wof standard and a pink sticker.
Pink sticker I agree with but a speeding ticket for that is nothing more than proof of revenue collection.


Well you go and use that as a defense in court and tell us how you got on.
If I ever get a ticket for 4kph over I just might. However, I agree that it probably wouldn't work. The modern justice system is anything but reasonable.


Most reasonable persons know that most speedo's read under, so will be well aware that they are speeding.
Most reasonable persons know shit all about their speedo, under or over.

[Erelyes]

So, were you happy to remain his crumple zone or did you let him past?

Passed another vehicle which in turn became the one sitting in death's shadow. Apparently they were happy enough to let him tailgate them, as I didn't see the truck again until it passed us as we were pulling into a servo down the road.


They tell you there is no cop in the area.......

problem fuck'n solved isn't it?

Maybe. Although the call centre op could have meant to say 'there is noone available in the area at this time'. They like to keep things brief (keeps their call time down). We didn't bother clarifying, evidently they had better shit to do :whistle:

[BoristheBiter]

Most reasonable persons know shit all about their speedo, under or over.

Then that wouldn't make them reasonable.

[roy.nz]

People will get around that by parking down the road and getting a few gerry can refills.

Thats all good then as there will be less petrol drive offs. Fitting ANPR cameras to gas stations is such a great idea as long as they are programmed only to show vehicles that have been involved in petrol drive offs.

[awayatc]

like speed camera's only operate on dangerous accident prone spots..?

Your arse not sore enough...?

cause you are asking for another reaming.....

[FJRider]

Pink sticker I agree with but a speeding ticket for that is nothing more than proof of revenue collection.

You DON'T have to pay fines for exceeding the posted speed limits .... if you don't exceed posted speed limits.

Simple eh ... !!


If I ever get a ticket for 4kph over I just might. However, I agree that it probably wouldn't work. The modern justice system is anything but reasonable.

It's not unreasonable ... just inconvenient (for some) ... if you (they) get caught ... :killingme


Most reasonable persons know shit all about their speedo, under or over.

An accurate speedometer has NEVER been required by New Zealand legislation ... most reasonable know that.

Not knowing ... if the vehicle you are driving/riding HAS an accurate speedometer is a sign of stupidity ... (in my opinion)

[Scuba_Steve]

You DON'T have to pay fines for exceeding the posted speed limits .... if you don't exceed posted speed limits.

Simple eh ... !!


What a load of shit, that's like saying "if you're not doing anything wrong you won't be hassled by the cops" or "if you're innocent you won't goto jail" you're either naive or stupid, I do hope it's the former.

[FJRider]

... that's like saying "if you're not doing anything wrong you won't be hassled by the cops" or "if you're innocent you won't goto jail" ...

Yep ... perhaps you're not as thick as I first thought ..... <_<

[Big Dog]

What a load of shit, that's like saying "if you're not doing anything wrong you won't be hassled by the cops" or "if you're innocent you won't goto jail" you're either naive or stupid, I do hope it's the former.

Never had a ticket I didn't deserve. But then I have never been charged with a crime, let alone one I did not deserve. I know a few who were innocent of what they were charged with. None of them wee innocent altogether.

They have always done something.
Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Swoop]

Busybody cops?

I had two of them around here last week, asking some very awkward questions.
"Did you put rophynol in our coffee?"
"Why are we chained to the wall of this basement?"
"What are you going to do with that chainsaw?"

[Akzle]

"What are you going to do with that chainsaw?"

fuken knew i shouldnt have lent it to you... Just remember its got my fingerprints all over it and//
... Oh i see...

'got to do some firewood' you said...'roofalin helps my wife sleep' you said...

Guess you want to borrow my tarp and ute now, huh?

[BoristheBiter]

fuken knew i shouldnt have lent it to you... Just remember its got my fingerprints all over it and//
... Oh i see...

'got to do some firewood' you said...'roofalin helps my wife sleep' you said...

Guess you want to borrow my tarp and ute now, huh?

What? i thought you were a pig farmer.

[BoristheBiter]

Yep ... perhaps you're not as thick as I first thought ..... <_<

No, you were right.

[Madness]

Fitting ANPR cameras to gas stations is such a great idea as long as they are programmed only to show vehicles that have been involved in petrol drive offs.

Really? How much more effective do you think ANPR cameras would be at reducing petrol drive offs over say, I dunno... existing standard CCTV cameras that the attendants have access to? Fuck all I'd say, especially when you consider the likely expense.

Anyhoo, 'Spokes posted it to begin with so I call a steaming pile of bullshit, until facts are presented otherwise.

[Scuba_Steve]

Yep ... perhaps you're not as thick as I first thought ..... <_<

Guess I was wrong seems it might be the latter, don't worry I'm sure Boris has a spare pair of blinders for you to complete the look (but given some of your ramblings you may already own a pair?).

[swbarnett]

Then that wouldn't make them reasonable.
A reasonable person (who is also a competant deiver) will know if their speedo is wildly off. To expect that same person to judge it's accuracy to within +/- 10% is, in my view, unreasonable.

[swbarnett]

Never had a ticket I didn't deserve.
It would be more accurate to say that you have never had a ticket you did't commit the crime for? Whether you deserved the ticket is more a matter of philosophy than law.

[Big Dog]

It would be more accurate to say that you have never had a ticket you did't commit the crime for? Whether you deserved the ticket is more a matter of philosophy than law.

Semantics. Speeding is not a crime. In most cases a cop having a bad day could have metered out far more costly fines.

From a philosophical standpoint I usually deserved a far bigger serve of the ticket book than I received.
From a regulation standpoint I was issued an infringement notice to a lesser speed than that captured by the officers measuring equipment.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[swbarnett]

From a regulation standpoint I was issued an infringement notice to a lesser speed than that captured by the officers measuring equipment.
You've obviously met some of the more reasonable ones. It's nice (or at least less shitty) when that happens.

[BoristheBiter]

Guess I was wrong seems it might be the latter, don't worry I'm sure Boris has a spare pair of blinders for you to complete the look (but given some of your ramblings you may already own a pair?).

He could use yours, as you don't need them with your tinfoil hat on

[Scuba_Steve]

He could use yours, as you don't need them with your tinfoil hat on

Sorry I got rid of mine long ago, decided being ignorant was boring. How ya getting on with finding some shades with the mirror on the inside? I know how much you'd prefer to remain ignorant & never see the truth ever.

[BoristheBiter]

Sorry I got rid of mine long ago, decided being ignorant was boring. How ya getting on with finding some shades with the mirror on the inside? I know how much you'd prefer to remain ignorant & never see the truth ever.

Sorry you're still boring.

[willytheekid]

Damn Cops INDEED!<_<

...how DARE the one yesterday arvo shoot me a friendly wave/nod as he walked out of a shop!, and THEN come over for a quick chat about bikes when I waved back!!...I mean WTF!!, the bastard was even...NICE!!...FRIENDLY!!...AND he own's & ride's bikes!!...:blink:

...How do I lay a complaint? :confused: (this treatment has to stop!!:weep:...I HAVE RIGHTS!!)

[imdying]

ANPR at service stations won't reduce drive offs, it will increase number plate theft. And that's what the police really need, more petty crime they're not sufficiently funded to investigate.

[mstriumph]

oh darling. You need a hug.
With my penis.

put it away, please ... there's no need to humiliate yourself further :)

[mstriumph]

Quote Originally Posted by roy.nz View Post
So when your house is burgled or somebody does an agg robs on you or you get beaten to a pulp you'll want me to attend. I will still attend no matter what you think as I know I am the better person.

You removed the post before I could get to it ............
tut tut tut - 'right of reply' and all that?

No - I don't want you to attend, that's the point of my post
I want the right under law to defend myself vigorously, whatever that takes, without being prosecuted for being effective doing this.

You would not be 'better' or 'worse' for attending ... you'd just be a de trop public servant doing a paid job, same as millions of the rest of us. Doing this doesn't make us somehow noble or superior, it just makes us realists with mouths to feed and bills to pay.

It's not YOU I disrespect, Roy - it's the system - it's expensive, it's frustrating and it's ineffective. :no:

[mstriumph]

Damn Cops INDEED!<_<

...how DARE the one yesterday arvo shoot me a friendly wave/nod as he walked out of a shop!, and THEN come over for a quick chat about bikes when I waved back!!...I mean WTF!!, the bastard was even...NICE!!...FRIENDLY!!...AND he own's & ride's bikes!!...:blink:

...How do I lay a complaint? :confused: (this treatment has to stop!!:weep:...I HAVE RIGHTS!!)

he's probably 2 days into the job and hasn't had time read the job description yet ...? :msn-wink:

joking - just joking!:rolleyes:

[BoristheBiter]

You removed the post before I could get to it ............
tut tut tut - 'right of reply' and all that?

No - I don't want you to attend, that's the point of my post
I want the right under law to defend myself vigorously, whatever that takes, without being prosecuted for being effective doing this.

You would not be 'better' or 'worse' for attending ... you'd just be a de trop public servant doing a paid job, same as millions of the rest of us. Doing this doesn't make us somehow noble or superior, it just makes us realists with mouths to feed and bills to pay.

It's not YOU I disrespect, Roy - it's the system - it's expensive, it's frustrating and it's ineffective. :no:

Actually you can defend yourself, under the law, "fear of harm to person or property" and all that.

But you're right the system is shit but don't blame the police for that, blame the courts (for not handing out proper sentences), the parole board (for letting them out) the government (for not bringing in tougher legislation) and the public (for letting us have a nanny PC life).

And if it wasn't bad enough the police have been told not to arrest someone but give them a pre-charge warning as they have been told the courts are too full.

But it keeps happening as TPTB know the public will just blame the police so they are sitting sweet.

Crime does pay it seems.

[Big Dog]

You've obviously met some of the more reasonable ones. It's nice (or at least less shitty) when that happens.

Think attitude sets the altitude for these skirmishes. If you have your helmet of and a smile handy before they get to you things go a lot smoother. Been stopped a lot more than i have been ticketed. Even when ticket book is already out I still make it a point to thank them. Without being snide or condescending or sarcastic. It makes their day and more than 1/2 put away their ticket book before reading me the riot act. About another half of the remainder put it away without writing in it.

Interesting observation: both of my hand written tickets came from redheaded gents who were quite anti bike and it was clear a ticket was coming for something, if not everything. Both for 1km over tolerance. Where offence was 11km over. Both looked guilty as a schoolboy who just stole a pie when I smiled, thanked them and carried on.

One went as far as to say I it were his choice all bikes would be banned and cops would not attend bike accidents.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Erelyes]

One went as far as to say I it were his choice all bikes would be banned and cops would not attend bike accidents.

I wonder if many Officers realise what they are going to potentially have to attend/deal with one day, when they originally join.

Never talked with one about Police college so wouldn't have the foggiest.

Totally agree about passing the attitude test. Some people don't like sucking up. Personally, I wish I had the balls to do the job they do sometimes. I've not yet had the experience of turning up to, or witnessing, a grisly crash scene.

[Big Dog]

I wonder if many Officers realise what they are going to potentially have to attend/deal with one day, when they originally join.

Never talked with one about Police college so wouldn't have the foggiest.

Totally agree about passing the attitude test. Some people don't like sucking up. Personally, I wish I had the balls to do the job they do sometimes. I've not yet had the experience of turning up to, or witnessing, a grisly crash scene.

Never said I suck up. Just common courtesy and manners befitting a gentleman in charge of a mechanical device of a type responsible for killing or maiming millions over the last century.

If you are responsible and reasonable in behaviour you get treated accordingly. The same is true if you act like a Trailer Park boy who thinks watching Sons of Anarchy makes him gods gift with a mouth to match.

Been in a car one Friday night when the driver started mouthing off about rights and regulations. Soon enough his car was detained under the premise it needed to be held while the officer obtained a warrant to search it for illegal substances and weapons. Not sure on the legality of that but car was returned on Monday when a warrant for its search "could not be obtained".


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Erelyes]

Never said I suck up. Just common courtesy and manners befitting a gentleman in charge of a mechanical device of a type responsible for killing or maiming millions over the last century.

True. What I meant was, some view it as sucking up, and don't like doing it accordingly as it doesn't fit their macho mindset. Personally I see it as courtesy as well.

[Akzle]

I've not yet had the experience of turning up to, or witnessing, a grisly crash scene.

you can do that without being a cop. infact, you could actually turn up to HELP the people there, not notice infringements, ie, ambo or fire service.
but of course, some person has to be held to account.

[MarkH]

To expect that same person to judge it's accuracy to within +/- 10% is, in my view, unreasonable.

People are idiots and I don't really expect much from them.
But personally I know within a couple of kms what speed I can go before I'm likely to get ticketed.

I love that a decent smart phone will have GPS and can run this app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.binarytoys.speedometer
I've used my phone and that app to check the speedo on the AN400, RF900R, ST1300, Mum's car, 3 different work trucks and 2 friends' cars.

[jahrasti]

You removed the post before I could get to it ............
tut tut tut - 'right of reply' and all that?

No - I don't want you to attend, that's the point of my post
I want the right under law to defend myself vigorously, whatever that takes, without being prosecuted for being effective doing this.

You would not be 'better' or 'worse' for attending ... you'd just be a de trop public servant doing a paid job, same as millions of the rest of us. Doing this doesn't make us somehow noble or superior, it just makes us realists with mouths to feed and bills to pay.

It's not YOU I disrespect, Roy - it's the system - it's expensive, it's frustrating and it's ineffective. :no:

Section 48 of the crimes act 1961 more than adequately covers defending yourself.

48 Self-defence and defence of another
Every one is justified in using, in the defence of himself or herself or another, such force as, in the circumstances as he or she believes them to be, it is reasonable to use.

There is plenty of case law covering the levels of force and is generally determined by Time Place Circumstances however for EXAMPLE (last time I used an example someone got their knickers in a twist) beating someone with a baseball bat after they hit you might be considered a tad OTT.


Actually you can defend yourself, under the law, "fear of harm to person or property" and all that.

But you're right the system is shit but don't blame the police for that, blame the courts (for not handing out proper sentences), the parole board (for letting them out) the government (for not bringing in tougher legislation) and the public (for letting us have a nanny PC life).

And if it wasn't bad enough the police have been told not to arrest someone but give them a pre-charge warning as they have been told the courts are too full.

But it keeps happening as TPTB know the public will just blame the police so they are sitting sweet.

Crime does pay it seems.

Stop it!!! How dare you write a sensible post ;).

I should be careful, next they will be saying we have colluded to obtain a confession :lol:

[swbarnett]

I love that a decent smart phone will have GPS and can run this app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.binarytoys.speedometer
I've used my phone and that app to check the speedo on the AN400, RF900R, ST1300, Mum's car, 3 different work trucks and 2 friends' cars.
Yes, but do you know how accurate the GPS in your phone is? Have you checked it with a police speed gun?

[BoristheBiter]

Section 48 of the crimes act 1961 more than adequately covers defending yourself.

48 Self-defence and defence of another
Every one is justified in using, in the defence of himself or herself or another, such force as, in the circumstances as he or she believes them to be, it is reasonable to use.

There is plenty of case law covering the levels of force and is generally determined by Time Place Circumstances however for EXAMPLE (last time I used an example someone got their knickers in a twist) beating someone with a baseball bat after they hit you might be considered a tad OTT.



Stop it!!! How dare you write a sensible post ;).

I should be careful, next they will be saying we have colluded to obtain a confession :lol:

God no, have you seen how small the phone books are these days.:laugh:

[BoristheBiter]

Yes, but do you know how accurate the GPS in your phone is? Have you checked it with a police speed gun?

Not with a phone but i know my gps is bang on, even with those "check speed" signs.

[Scuba_Steve]

Resident :Police: could you confirm this is indeed in your training books.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/10354135_10202783933853132_5473729390485174277_n.j pg

[R650R]

Never mind the cops, this is a worry http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/10067586/Traffic-light-trick-stopping-drunks

Just wait till a bike hater gets that job...

[FJRider]

It would be more accurate to say that you have never had a ticket you did't commit the crime for? Whether you deserved the ticket is more a matter of philosophy than law.

Where do you guys get the idea that a Traffic Infringement ... is a CRIME ... ???

Exceeding a posted speed limit does NOT make you a criminal. Even court convictions for TRAFFIC offenses will not restrict you in your travels to any other countries. Barely even worth a mention to a prospective employer ..

At best you might get a few minutes of fame on "Highway Patrol" in prime TV viewing hours ... good luck with that ..

[Akzle]

Where do you guys get the idea that a Traffic Infringement ... is a CRIME ... ???

Exceeding a posted speed limit does NOT make you a criminal. Even court convictions for TRAFFIC offenses will not restrict you in your travels to any other countries. Barely even worth a mention to a prospective employer ..

At best you might get a few minutes of fame on "Highway Patrol" in prime TV viewing hours ... good luck with that ..

youre up late bro. Or is that, early...

[Big Dog]

Never mind the cops, this is a worry http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/10067586/Traffic-light-trick-stopping-drunks

Just wait till a bike hater gets that job...
Quote from your link had me laughing.
"Some cameras can be zoomed in to focus on a subject up to 2 kilometres away, Murphy said.

But he stressed JTOC, which is operated jointly by the New Zealand Transport Authority (NZTA) and Auckland Transport, was not designed to be a surveillance network."

GPS was not designed for civilian use.
Works pretty well though.
GPS was not put on phones to keep track of us.
Many app developers such as google do exactly that with it.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[unstuck]

Most of you crybaby fuckwits on here would not last 5 mins in a land without cops, and all you wankers would be fair game out in the streets, because it is survival of the fittest. Not survival of the whingiest.:devil2:

[swbarnett]

Where do you guys get the idea that a Traffic Infringement ... is a CRIME ... ???
Mere semantics. A law is still broken. My point still stands. Just because you're given a ticket does not mean it is deserved.

[swbarnett]

Many app developers such as google do exactly that with it.
Exactly. This is why the first thing I do with any phone is turn the GPS off.

[Akzle]

Exactly. This is why the first thing I do with any phone is turn the GPS off.

yeah..... or just don't buy or use gewgle shit,
and set your internets policy to block *.google.* and *.twitter.*, and *.googleadservice.* and all the other fuking gew shit datamining fuckery they run.

[swbarnett]

yeah..... or just don't buy or use gewgle shit,
and set your internets policy to block *.google.* and *.twitter.*, and *.googleadservice.* and all the other fuking gew shit datamining fuckery they run.
I wouldn't even have a mobile if I didn't need it for work.

[Laava]

yeah..... or just don't buy or use gewgle shit,
and set your internets policy to block *.google.* and *.twitter.*, and *.googleadservice.* and all the other fuking gew shit datamining fuckery they run.

Do you feel like a hypocrite? Cos you sure look like one! You post stuff from You tube one day and condemn it the next.

Just as well no-one believes anything you say huh?

[Akzle]

Do you feel like a hypocrite? Cos you sure look like one! You post stuff from You tube one day and condemn it the next.

Just as well no-one believes anything you say huh?

b) fucken ayye. how's that charity work going for you? contributing much to society yet?

a) not from my computer i don't.

[Laava]

b) fucken ayye. how's that charity work going for you? contributing much to society yet?.

Again. What are you doing then loudmouth? Be specific so it doesn't sound like the usual bullshit you spout.
Not expecting anything here tho I have to admit.

[Akzle]

Not expecting anything here

i'll give you twice that.

1) you're ignorant
2) you have a fucking long string of unanswered queries, so, if you have the courtesy to address that, then maybe i'll think about giving a shit about your opinion.

[Laava]

i'll give you twice that.

1) you're ignorant
2) you have a fucking long string of unanswered queries, so, if you have the courtesy to address that, then maybe i'll think about giving a shit about your opinion.

Better than I expected. But the usual crap.

[Akzle]

Better than I expected. But the usual crap.

exactly what i expected.

[scumdog]

Just as well no-one believes anything you say huh?

Yeah but he's funny sometimes....well now and then...sort of..:scratch:

In a joo-ish manner.

[Scuba_Steve]

Just as well no-one believes anything you say huh?

Which is a shame really, cause alot of what he says it actually true; albeit delivered in an "in your fucking face" manner

[Akzle]

In a joo-ish manner.
now you're just being fucken rude. and here i was, thinking we'd made such progress in our relationship.


delivered in an "in your fucking face" manner

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish, and the tyranny of evil men.
Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper...

[FJRider]

Mere semantics. A law is still broken. My point still stands.

If you break the rules of the game in sports .. there are penalty's ...

If you get caught breaking the rules of the road ... there are also penalty's ...

And you want to play either game ... you should be prepared for the penalty's if you break the rules. The rules make it fair for all the players.


Just because you're given a ticket does not mean it is deserved.

If it's not deserved ... tell it to the judge. He / She will understand ... and you will be free to leave the court ... right .. ??

[FJRider]

Resident :Police: could you confirm this is indeed in your training books.



Get a grown up to explain to you ... the difference between Common law and Statutory law ...

Or .... click on the link. (Some word are big and may be difficult for .. you so have a Grown up close by)

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Common_Law_vs_Statutory_Law

[Akzle]

Get a grown up to explain to you ... the difference between Common law and Statutory law ...

Or .... click on the link. (Some word are big and may be difficult for .. you so have a Grown up close by)

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Common_Law_vs_Statutory_Law

thats not *common* law...
Hint. Get a legal dictionary, and look up common.

[Scuba_Steve]

Get a grown up to explain to you ... the difference between Common law and Statutory law ...

Or .... click on the link. (Some word are big and may be difficult for .. you so have a Grown up close by)

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Common_Law_vs_Statutory_Law

Wow, & that answered my question... Not at all.
So good with the information you are...

But while we're talking law ... Maybee you should learn some ... I would teach you myself but I really can't be fucked .. so please refer to Akzle, I feel he could do a much better job of teaching .. or at-least relay it in a much more acceptable way.

[swbarnett]

If you break the rules of the game in sports .. there are penalty's ...

If you get caught breaking the rules of the road ... there are also penalty's ...

And you want to play either game ... you should be prepared for the penalty's if you break the rules. The rules make it fair for all the players.
At least in sport you have some chance of changing the rules that are unjust or just counter to the spirit of the game.



If it's not deserved ... tell it to the judge. He / She will understand ... and you will be free to leave the court ... right .. ??
Just because it's not deserved does not mean that a judge will be open to that fact. It is well known that most speeding tickets do nothing to enhance public safety. Therefore they are not deserved. I'm sure most, if not all, judges are blind to this fact.

[Akzle]

At least in sport you have some chance of changing the rules that are unjust or just counter to the spirit of the game.


more to the point, you can choose not to play the game, or, choose a paddock where the rules are more aligned with your perspectives.

it'd just be fucking rude, if you were playing netball, and a rugby ref gave you the penalty for being offside, innit.

[Madness]

penalty's


penalty's


penalty's

For fucks sake FJ, you're as bad as BoristheRetard. It's PENALTIES.


Some word are big

And WORDS.

That is all.

[FJRider]

At least in sport you have some chance of changing the rules that are unjust or just counter to the spirit of the game.

First rule of sport ... don't piss the ref / Cop off ... :lol:


Just because it's not deserved does not mean that a judge will be open to that fact. It is well known that most speeding tickets do nothing to enhance public safety. Therefore they are not deserved. I'm sure most, if not all, judges are blind to this fact.


Those that choose to indulge in the "Criminal Activity" of collecting traffic infringement notices ... will (have to) take what they get in penalties ... and have no choice or say in the final say of what they pay.


Such is the system we have ... such is the law.

If you don't like it ... I don't care.

Really .... but it does amuse me...

[scumdog]

more to the point, you can choose not to play the game, or, choose a paddock where the rules are more aligned with your perspectives.

i.

Sorta like life - don't ride/drive, or choose to do so on a racetrack:msn-wink:

[swbarnett]

First rule of sport ... don't piss the ref / Cop off ... :lol:




Those that choose to indulge in the "Criminal Activity" of collecting traffic infringement notices ... will (have to) take what they get in penalties ... and have no choice or say in the final say of what they pay.


Such is the system we have ... such is the law.

If you don't like it ... I don't care.

Really .... but it does amuse me...
Let me put it in simple terms that you might understand (probably not though). Just because it's written in law doesn't make it right or just.

[Akzle]

Sorta like life - don't ride/drive, or choose to do so on a racetrack:msn-wink:

no. See, a race track is private property, so justified in having fees, and rules.
The public roads...