Cops to apply blanket 5km tolerance to motorcyclists. Permanently?

[Pixie]

Or so Ulysses in Nelson was told recently,according to my brother.

True or no?

[nodrog]

What if im riding without my blanket?

[Akzle]

thats ok. I apply a blanket 20km/h over. And maintain my 0 tolerance of cops.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I think it unlikely because it would cause them to get dragged in front of the Yoomin Rights commission and all and sundry for discrimination. What is more likely is that the 5kph "tolerance" will be applied to all motorists regardless. That I can see.

Good wee earner that, make it easy to get the quotas topped up, lovely jubbly.

I'll just keep on committing the white collar crime and running my meth lab on the side. Because risk/reward: its off the freakin' charts.

[Hitcher]

Ulysses meetings are generally reliable, particularly if they've all got their hearing aids turned on.

[BigAl]

Yep correct, but sports bikes are exempted ;)

[pritch]

Good wee earner that, make it easy to get the quotas topped up, lovely jubbly.



Well their budget appropriation has been frozen so they need to get the cash from somewhere.

Yeah, yeah, I know it goes into the consolidated fund - if anyone still actually pays their fines that is...

[wharekura]

Ulysses meetings are generally reliable, particularly if they've all got their hearing aids turned on.
What was that....cops are lactose intolerant?

[bogan]

So, loud pipes get tickets?

Not the same rhyming aspect, but I think it does reflect a greater realism than the sentiments given by the similar but rhymy phrase.

[rastuscat]

Well their budget appropriation has been frozen so they need to get the cash from somewhere.

Yeah, yeah, I know it goes into the consolidated fund - if anyone still actually pays their fines that is...

Oh hell yeah. All those tickets for $30 will make a huge difference, especially after the $26 worth of administrative costs are deducted.

Just the usual self satisfying bullshit excuses.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Oh hell yeah. All those tickets for $30 will make a huge difference, especially after the $26 worth of administrative costs are deducted.

Just the usual self satisfying bullshit excuses.

You'll never catch me copper!!!!!





*apart from that time you did catch me. But I totally wanted to be caught

[MD]

Half of us can relax. It's a joint campaign between the Police and Immigration and they will only be targeting riders on Asian manufactured bikes. A Winston peters initiative, that's why he was speaking at the Ulysses gathering of grey power.

[paturoa]

Half of us can relax. It's a joint campaign between the Police and Immigration and they will only be targeting riders on Asian manufactured bikes. A Winston peters initiative, that's why he was speaking at the Ulysses gathering of grey power.

I heard that John Banks was there too and and that all payments should be be split into two.

[Mom]

Or so Ulysses in Nelson was told recently,according to my brother.

True or no?

Probably true. You got any energy left to fight?

[Oakie]

I heard that John Banks was there too and and that all payments should be be split into two.

Nah, he said he was never there.

[GrayWolf]

Oh hell yeah. All those tickets for $30 will make a huge difference, especially after the $26 worth of administrative costs are deducted.

Just the usual self satisfying bullshit excuses.

Bullshit excuses from whom?

Polititians?
The chief of Popo?


Surely not the honorable member of NZD you quoted?? :lol:

[AllanB]

Nah - no chance this year - it's election year and motorcyclists are still voters. That shit may come later - but really if tried good luck as it should be applied to all under 30's (stats back up speeding) overweight businessmen driving Commydoors and every truck driver on the road.

Oh and buses - I have a anti bus driver thing going on presently so add those arses to the mix.

[Ocean1]

Oh and buses - I have a anti bus driver thing going on presently so add those arses to the mix.

Fucking tell me about it, one tried to kill me earlier today and fucking nearly pulled it off. Changed lanes right on top of me. Didn't indicate and didn't look. Unbelievable.

[R650R]

That shit may come later - but really if tried good luck as it should be applied to all... ...and every truck driver on the road.



Trucks have already had the 4km tolerance for about the last 5-6 years... it just depends on the attitude of the local constabulary or the stats sheet (they have to pull x amount of vehicle types a/b/c etc per year) as to how much/often its done.


thats ok. I apply a blanket 20km/h over. And maintain my 0 tolerance of cops.

There's a bumper sticker to be had there lol

Never mind this speed tolerance, trucks will have electronic logbooks soon and once the system is in place cars and bikes will be forced to have it...

[willytheekid]

297422
...:corn:

[AllanB]

Trucks have already had the 4km tolerance for about the last 5-6 years... it just depends on the attitude of the local constabulary or the stats sheet (they have to pull x amount of vehicle types a/b/c etc per year) as to how much/often its done.



There's a bumper sticker to be had there lol

Never mind this speed tolerance, trucks will have electronic logbooks soon and once the system is in place cars and bikes will be forced to have it...



A truck 'black box' and the speed limit thing isn't working then, heaps of speeding trucks!

[rastuscat]

Guess my boss must be a decent bastard.

I get to write as many tickets as I want, for the stuff I think is important.

No quota for me. I just get to write tickets for shitty driving, and there's no shortage.

[AllanB]

No quota - hush you - this is KB, there must be a quota without one all those KBers who post up moaning about getting tickets must be genuinely doing something wrong!

I know, it's an election year - best keep the secret safe :niceone:

[rustic101]

Don't forget lads and ladettes this coming weekend is the Queens Birthday (happy bd Liz).

So make sure you observe the posted limit as there will be no "threshold" for any class of vehicle.

All part of the top five, no warnings given!!!

Stay safe and shinny side up Team.

[kiwi cowboy]

Half of us can relax. It's a joint campaign between the Police and Immigration and they will only be targeting riders on Asian manufactured bikes. A Winston peters initiative, that's why he was speaking at the Ulysses gathering of grey power.

That's only cos anything other than aisan bikes ether cant make the speed limit or shake themselves to pieces before they get out of the driveway:devil2::devil2::devil2::devil2::devil2::d evil2::devil2::devil2::devil2::devil2::devil2::dev il2::devil2:

[reggie1198]

That's only cos anything other than aisan bikes ether cant make the speed limit or shake themselves to pieces before they get out of the driveway:devil2::devil2::devil2::devil2::devil2::d evil2::devil2::devil2::devil2::devil2::devil2::dev il2::devil2:

:finger::finger:
10 char

[The Reibz]

considering the fact I never obey the speed limit anyway, this won't affect me. Or 90% of the other riders I ride with. 140 is the new 80

[unstuck]

The 4kmh tolerance sure did it's job this weekend in keeping the road toll down.;)

[DMNTD]

Guess my boss must be a decent bastard.

I get to write as many tickets as I want, for the stuff I think is important.

No quota for me. I just get to write tickets for shitty driving, and there's no shortage.

If you could have a crack at the red light runners down here that would be just lovely

[slofox]

If you could have a crack at the red light runners down here that would be just lovely

Second that for up here too.

[Jay GTI]

Oh hell yeah. All those tickets for $30 will make a huge difference, especially after the $26 worth of administrative costs are deducted.

Just the usual self satisfying bullshit excuses.

Just think, all that increased animosity towards you fellas for a measly $4. Mind you, it keeps all the administration staff in jobs, so there's some benefit. If you don't cash up with the small fines, who's going to pay for the administrative costs of the big ones?

[SMOKEU]

Guess my boss must be a decent bastard.

I get to write as many tickets as I want, for the stuff I think is important.

No quota for me. I just get to write tickets for shitty driving, and there's no shortage.

Go after the people who drive on the wrong side of the road around blind corners, especially on the hills on SH75.

Hand out infringement notices to the people who can't indicate properly at roundabouts (this will be very easy since most people are incapable of indicating properly).

Pull over the people who get very pissed off and tailgate anyone going slower than 45kmh in a 30kmh zone.

[unstuck]

Hand out infringement notices to the people who can't indicate properly at roundabouts (this will be very easy since most people are incapable of indicating properly).

.

I wonder if they are allowed to ticket themselves for this. The worst I have seen for breaking this rule around here, are the local police.:2thumbsup

[caspernz]

Look at all this bleating another way...you don't actually need to be that good a rider NOT to be pulled over for something. Or am I observing this wrong? :brick:

[BoristheBiter]

Go after the people who drive on the wrong side of the road around blind corners, especially on the hills on SH75.

Hand out infringement notices to the people who can't indicate properly at roundabouts (this will be very easy since most people are incapable of indicating properly).

Pull over the people who get very pissed off and tailgate anyone going slower than 45kmh in a 30kmh zone.

Well that's most bikes on any given Sunday around here.

[SMOKEU]

Well that's most bikes on any given Sunday around here.

No worse than cagers though.

[BoristheBiter]

No worse than cagers though.

Depends on the possible outcome.

[SMOKEU]

Depends on the possible outcome.

At least an out of control bike is going to do much less damage to an innocent party than an out of control car.

[BoristheBiter]

At least an out of control bike is going to do much less damage to an innocent party than an out of control car.

but both will kill so no difference.

[Swoop]

Surely this weekend's road toll conclusively proves that this "reduced tolerance campaign" is nothing more than bullshit? Q: Does it stop people dying? A: "No".

Perhaps a campaign of "Targeting the fucking crappy standards of driving in NZ" would be a start point. Locals AND tourists.

[SMOKEU]

but both will kill so no difference.

And one is much more likely to kill an innocent party than the other.

[GrayWolf]

Surely this weekend's road toll conclusively proves that this "reduced tolerance campaign" is nothing more than bullshit? Q: Does it stop people dying? A: "No".

Perhaps a campaign of "Targeting the fucking crappy standards of driving in NZ" would be a start point. Locals AND tourists.

Unfortunately, you cant target the whole population :laugh::laugh: And a concerted campaign against shitty driving with penalties, Vs a drink/speeding campaign? It's so easy to fool the public with the latter, because you are not accusing the specific individual of 'wrong doing' so they will accept it far more readily.... The old Politician type speak.. "We promote good traditional family values"... but never specify EXACTLY what these good 'traditional values' are, ergo, appeals to everyone.
Speed, drink diving have been very nicely linked together for a longtime.... We never consider ourselves a 'shitty driver', but can point the finger at those who spped/drink.. after all 'I only break the limit sometimes/ safe places. Speeders do it ALL the time with no regard! (Tui advert)

[BoristheBiter]

And one is much more likely to kill an innocent party than the other.

And how do you come up with that?

[Akzle]

And how do you come up with that?

at a guess. because he's not a (complete) fucking moron.

[slofox]

In response to the OP:

I think it far more likely that the "temporary" lowered tolerances applied in holiday periods will become permanent for all vehicles.

We should start a sweep on when it will happen...bet it isn't long.

[awayatc]

Guess my boss must be a decent bastard.
.

Your boss has his head so far up his own arse he thinks of a fart as a breath of fresh air

how can you discus reality when you reside in lala land..?

[SMOKEU]

And how do you come up with that?

Because a bike is smaller and lighter than a car.

[BoristheBiter]

at a guess. because he's not a (complete) fucking moron.

So he's one up on you then.:niceone:

[BoristheBiter]

Because a bike is smaller and lighter than a car.

I do know what you mean but loosing control is still loosing control.

[awa355]

In response to the OP:

I think it far more likely that the "temporary" lowered tolerances applied in holiday periods will become permanent for all vehicles.

We should start a sweep on when it will happen...bet it isn't long.

I object to this 5k tolerance. This discriminates against those of us whos' machines cant reach the speed limit, much less an additional 5kph. :doh: ITS NOT FAIR. :scooter::scooter:

[Ocean1]

Bogan and his mates would say it was your fault for not reading his traffic movement in advance. Those who can not do that including me are rated as poor riders by him and his mates.

And if the bus had succeeded he'd have a point.

For a grand total of two, in fact.

[Big Dog]

I object to this 5k tolerance. This discriminates against those of us whos' machines cant reach the speed limit, much less an additional 5kph. :doh: ITS NOT FAIR. :scooter::scooter:
Not even at road works?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[GrayWolf]

In response to the OP:

I think it far more likely that the "temporary" lowered tolerances applied in holiday periods will become permanent for all vehicles.

We should start a sweep on when it will happen...bet it isn't long.

Thats just going to be the start. There'l be more 70/80kph limits on roads, and no doubt more of the 50kph 'restriction areas (temporary, TUI ADVERT) just like the one in the middle of Haywards Hill.... because they really think it's going to make a difference.... and when it doesnt? They will never admit the error....

At 90kph or 120kph, a fucking moron driver is still the same beast, and can still do just as much damage to other road users. Somehow DRIVER TRAINING just never seems to get any traction with gubbermints, or, they fuck around on speed, instead of doing what they should and making serious penalties for DD, especially causing death under the influence and I'm betting DD causes more carnage than 'just speed',,,,, THAT would make more sense than this truly pathetic stance.

So Mr Popo's.... how about it??

[rastuscat]

Your boss has his head so far up his own arse he thinks of a fart as a breath of fresh air

how can you discus reality when you reside in lala land..?

Down here in La La Land we live in reality and trade in facts.

Fact. Nobody has ever told me how many tickets to write. Still, it's only been 26 years, it might be coming.

Which boss are you speaking of? Do you know who my boss is? Or has your policy of talking through a hole in your arse held sway?

[rastuscat]

Thats just going to be the start. There'l be more 70/80kph limits on roads, and no doubt more of the 50kph 'restriction areas (temporary, TUI ADVERT) just like the one in the middle of Haywards Hill.... because they really think it's going to make a difference.... and when it doesnt? They will never admit the error....

At 90kph or 120kph, a fucking moron driver is still the same beast, and can still do just as much damage to other road users. Somehow DRIVER TRAINING just never seems to get any traction with gubbermints, or, they fuck around on speed, instead of doing what they should and making serious penalties for DD, especially causing death under the influence and I'm betting DD causes more carnage than 'just speed',,,,, THAT would make more sense than this truly pathetic stance.

So Mr Popo's.... how about it??

I'd rather the funking morons drove at 90 than 120. If that's what you are asking.

Always amazes me. We bang on about how shitty most drivers are then we say they should be allowed to go faster.

[MIXONE]

Guess my boss must be a decent bastard.

I get to write as many tickets as I want, for the stuff I think is important.

No quota for me. I just get to write tickets for shitty driving, and there's no shortage.

I know what you mean their Rasta.I was down your way recently and the only thing worse than the roads was the ferkin drivers!

[Akzle]

Always amazes me. We bang on about how shitty most drivers are then we say they should be allowed to go faster.

not 'they'.
Just us, because we're better than they.

[GrayWolf]

I'd rather the funking morons drove at 90 than 120. If that's what you are asking.

Always amazes me. We bang on about how shitty most drivers are then we say they should be allowed to go faster.

Actually nowhere did I say we should go faster Rastus, what I object to, is, that the 'fix' for shitty driving is speed traps/camera's and speed restrictions. Instead of, Driver education and training....
Also the continued 'political' choice to lump speed and DID into the same sentence..... While you may argue that a drunk might/will be more likely to speed. The drunk is intoxicated and has a lowered 'executive function' operating. So lets separate them out a bit, so some real statistics are seen.

[BoristheBiter]

Actually nowhere did I say we should go faster Rastus, what I object to, is, that the 'fix' for shitty driving is speed traps/camera's and speed restrictions. Instead of, Driver education and training....
Also the continued 'political' choice to lump speed and DID into the same sentence..... While you may argue that a drunk might/will be more likely to speed. The drunk is intoxicated and has a lowered 'executive function' operating. So lets separate them out a bit, so some real statistics are seen.

Where I totally agree with the above you should be aware the the traffic side of the police is funded, not intirely but funded non the less, by ACC and the LTSA and they say what is to be focused on.
or something along those lines.

[TLJimmy]

The polititions have a hard-on for speeders because it's easy to police, and ticket. It is shitty drivers that are the real problem. How hard is it to correctly and efficiently navigate a roundabout? Very, from what I've seen.

A good rider doing 120 is a lot safer than one idiot doing 80 on the wrong side...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the 10% leeway was to compensate for the inaccuracy of most speedo's - partly due to tire size/wear.

Also, the current ad for speeding highlights the irrational intolerance for speeding, instead of bad driving. A driver pulls out of an intersection without looking, and the guy doing 110 +/- is portrayed as in-the-wrong. WTF??

And finally, the first time the 0 tolerance for driving over 100 was intoduced itwas hailed a huge success because the toll was 0. No-one mentions that the weather was soooo atrocious that long weekend everyone stayed home.

[Tazz]

Down here in La La Land we live in reality and trade in facts.

Fact. Nobody has ever told me how many tickets to write. Still, it's only been 26 years, it might be coming.

Which boss are you speaking of? Do you know who my boss is? Or has your policy of talking through a hole in your arse held sway?

I always thought there would be a system in place where you should be pulling over so many people and handing out X amount of tickets an hour in X location because statistically there should be X amount of drivers breaking the law over that period of time? It would be a way to measure that you are not just taking a snooze behind a tree as well as measuring your performance in a way like.
Shirley they just don't give you a set of keys, point in a direction and tell you not to be too late back for tea?

[scumdog]

Down here in La La Land we live in reality and trade in facts.

Fact. Nobody has ever told me how many tickets to write. Still, it's only been 26 years, it might be coming.

Which boss are you speaking of? Do you know who my boss is? Or has your policy of talking through a hole in your arse held sway?

You too?

My tally this year: Two tickets handed out.

One for using cell-phone, one for 68 in a 50.

So stats say 50% of my tickets are for speed.:banana:

[BoristheBiter]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the 10% leeway was to compensate for the inaccuracy of most speedo's - partly due to tire size/wear.


Yep you're wrong.
There is no 10%, it is 10km over the posted limit.
This is at the discretion of the cop that has just pulled you over.
So if even if you are doing 1kph over you still can get a ticket, just depends on what the cops feels like at that said time.

It is up to the driver to understand what speed they are doing.

[scumdog]

Yep you're wrong.
There is no 10%, it is 10km over the posted limit.
This is at the discretion of the cop that has just pulled you over.
So if even if you are doing 1kph over you still can get a ticket, just depends on what the cops feels like at that said time.

It is up to the driver to understand what speed they are doing.

On the button.

Like it or lump it unfortunately.

[Scuba_Steve]

Yep you're wrong.
There is no 10%, it is 10km over the posted limit.
This is at the discretion of the cop that has just pulled you over.
So if even if you are doing 1kph over you still can get a ticket, just depends on what the cops feels like at that said time.

It is up to the driver to understand what speed they are doing.

& if you're doing 5km/h below the limit you can still get a ticket for speeding, such is the corruption prevalent in this illegally operated system.

[Big Dog]

You too?

My tally this year: Two tickets handed out.

One for using cell-phone, one for 68 in a 50.

So stats say 50% of my tickets are for speed.:banana:

Better media spin would be 50% are for cellphone use and the rest of your tickets were for all other observed infractions combined. :rofl:


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

& if you're doing 5km/h below the limit you can still get a ticket for speeding, such is the corruption prevalent in this illegally operated system.

And this would be justified if your speed was excessive or dangerous.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Scuba_Steve]

And this would be justified if your speed was excessive or dangerous.


I would disagree; "dangerous driving" would be justified if it was excessive [for conditions] or dangerous (which are really one in the same) but "speeding" would not be.

[scumdog]

& if you're doing 5km/h below the limit you can still get a ticket for speeding, such is the corruption prevalent in this illegally operated system.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm breaking out the world smallest violin right now.

[awayatc]

Or has your policy of talking through a hole in your arse held sway?

If I had such a policy we would be colleagues...

fortunately I got principles instead....

[BoristheBiter]

I would disagree; "dangerous driving" would be justified if it was excessive [for conditions] or dangerous (which are really one in the same) but "speeding" would not be.

that's why the ticket is for exceeding the speed limit not speeding.:facepalm:

[Scuba_Steve]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm breaking out the world smallest violin right now.

Sweet, chuck it up on YouTube I'll take a look right after the Police ceases to be a criminal gang


that's why the ticket is for exceeding the speed limit not speeding.:facepalm:

You should probably learn yourself some slang since you insist on staying in this country, & if you're gonna get that anal about it last I checked it was "exceeding the posted speed limit". Either way it's completely irrelevant & maybee you'd like to advise us on the price of fish next; chocolate if you can.

[Akzle]

"exceeding the posted speed limit".

ahh, but a notice posted stands as fact at law until refuted....

[Big Dog]

Sweet, chuck it up on YouTube I'll take a look right after the Police ceases to be a criminal gang



You should probably learn yourself some slang since you insist on staying in this country, & if you're gonna get that anal about it last I checked it was "exceeding the posted speed limit". Either way it's completely irrelevant & maybee you'd like to advise us on the price of fish next; chocolate if you can.

You can also be ticketed for an "excessive display of speed" without breaking the speed limit.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Tazz]

You can also be ticketed for an "excessive display of speed" without breaking the speed limit.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

And excessive acceleration without breaking traction.

[Scuba_Steve]

You can also be ticketed for an "excessive display of speed" without breaking the speed limit.


And excessive acceleration without breaking traction.

Yes but both of those have a prerequisite being another breach of legislation must have occurred

[Big Dog]

My understanding is excessive speed, acceleration and braking only need to be "for display"?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[rastuscat]

Just another point of view.

Speed causes some crashes. Not many, but some.

All the others are caused by something other than speed. Like shitty driving. Like shitty roads. And a few shitty vehicles.

Okay, speed causes a few. However, if we accept that there are a truckload of crashes for a variety of reasons, doesn't it make sense to try to have them happen at slower speeds? Like, it's better to arse off at 50 than at 70.

What are the arguments against that?

[unstuck]

Just another point of view.

Speed causes some crashes. Not many, but some.

All the others are caused by something other than speed. Like shitty driving. Like shitty roads. And a few shitty vehicles.

Okay, speed causes a few. However, if we accept that there are a truckload of crashes for a variety of reasons, doesn't it make sense to try to have them happen at slower speeds? Like, it's better to arse off at 50 than at 70.

What are the arguments against that?

Most of the crashes that I hear about are caused by young fellas that think they can drive like ken block, or the latest drift king. Most of them run out of talent way too early.:msn-wink:

[Scuba_Steve]

My understanding is excessive speed, acceleration and braking only need to be "for display"?



(1) A person must not operate a motor vehicle in a race, or in an unnecessary exhibition of speed or acceleration, on a road unless the operation of the vehicle in that manner is authorised by law.
(4) In this section and in section 96(9), the operation of a motor vehicle in a particular manner is authorised by law if,—
(a) in the case of a race or an exhibition of speed or acceleration,—
(i) the speed of the vehicle is within the applicable speed limit or speed limits;
and
(ii) the vehicle operator does not contravene any enactment other than this section that applies in relation to the operation of the vehicle;


Just another point of view.

Speed causes some crashes. Not many, but some.

All the others are caused by something other than speed. Like shitty driving. Like shitty roads. And a few shitty vehicles.

Okay, speed causes a few. However, if we accept that there are a truckload of crashes for a variety of reasons, doesn't it make sense to try to have them happen at slower speeds? Like, it's better to arse off at 50 than at 70.

What are the arguments against that?

1st argument, is that [reputable] studies show the speed scam increases crashes; No crash no death pretty self explanatory there.
2nd argument, above 60km/h that argument becomes moot as humans are only rated to survive crashes at 60km/h & below
3rd argument, it is NEVER safer to look at the speedo rather than the road EVER
Shit happens, driving is dangerous, accept this, allow people to drive safely over legally

[James Deuce]

Just another point of view.

Speed causes some crashes. Not many, but some.

All the others are caused by something other than speed. Like shitty driving. Like shitty roads. And a few shitty vehicles.

Okay, speed causes a few. However, if we accept that there are a truckload of crashes for a variety of reasons, doesn't it make sense to try to have them happen at slower speeds? Like, it's better to arse off at 50 than at 70.

What are the arguments against that?

Increased lifespans are expensive to maintain with such a low retirement age. Better to kill as many commoners as possible, as early as possible. I R A TORY! HEAR ME ROAR. That reminds me of Kay Perry's tits.

What were we talking about again?

[rastuscat]

Most of the crashes that I hear about are caused by young fellas that think they can drive like ken block, or the latest drift king. Most of them run out of talent way too early.:msn-wink:

And that's part of the problem. "Most opf the crashes that I hear about..........."

Our views are formed by the information we hear, read, get via whatever source. The media doesn't report the vast majority of crashes, so they fly under the radar.

That leaves us feeling like most crashes are caused by overseas tourists and boy racers, as those are the ones the media focuses on.

Fact is, most crashes are caused by Mr and Mrs Average just making a simple error or two, which might compound on someone elses errors, and bang, damage for Africa.

As long as we believe that most crashes are caused by boy racers and overseas tourists we can forget changing our behaviours. Until we start to understand that as a society, we are the problem, we won't ever start to realise that we have the ability to improve the situation, by just changing our attitudes.

Social theory I know, but it's reality.

[GrayWolf]

And that's part of the problem. "Most opf the crashes that I hear about..........."

Our views are formed by the information we hear, read, get via whatever source. The media doesn't report the vast majority of crashes, so they fly under the radar.

That leaves us feeling like most crashes are caused by overseas tourists and boy racers, as those are the ones the media focuses on.

Fact is, most crashes are caused by Mr and Mrs Average just making a simple error or two, which might compound on someone elses errors, and bang, damage for Africa.

As long as we believe that most crashes are caused by boy racers and overseas tourists we can forget changing our behaviours. Until we start to understand that as a society, we are the problem, we won't ever start to realise that we have the ability to improve the situation, by just changing our attitudes.

Social theory I know, but it's reality.

So taking your argument/theory to a logical conclusion Rastus...
The gubbermint applying laws, and the enforcers (popo) ensuring the general pubic comply, is removing the necessity of said pubic to "change their attitude" and change their behaviours? As it is a 'forced comply' situation, rather than a 'realised and enlightened' one.


So in theory, speeding laws and enforcement are 'self defeating'.
They fail in modifying attitude and behaviour, in fact one could say (especially in the 5kph tolerance bracket) they encourage 'civil resistance'....:lol:

[rastuscat]

So in theory, speeding laws and enforcement are 'self defeating'.
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I hope so. I hope I can go out having a good look for seatbelt offences and not find one.

I hope I can have a good look for cellphone offences and not find one. I hope I can stake out a set of traffic lights and not find anyone running the red. I hope I can stake out a stop sign and every foreign tourist stops.

Do you really think it will happen without people realising that it's them that are the problem? As long as everyone points the finger at everyone else with an expectation that they will change, nothing will.

It happens on here. We bemoan the drivers who drive under the posted limit. We bitch about drivers who cut us off. The only person we all can change is ourselves, individually.

Have I had too many wines?

[GrayWolf]

I hope so. I hope I can go out having a good look for seatbelt offences and not find one.

I hope I can have a good look for cellphone offences and not find one. I hope I can stake out a set of traffic lights and not find anyone running the red. I hope I can stake out a stop sign and every foreign tourist stops.

Do you really think it will happen without people realising that it's them that are the problem? As long as everyone points the finger at everyone else with an expectation that they will change, nothing will.

It happens on here. We bemoan the drivers who drive under the posted limit. We bitch about drivers who cut us off. The only person we all can change is ourselves, individually.

Have I had too many wines?

I guess what I am saying is, Laws dont always change attitude,it may 'force' compliance, but we all at some point have bent, broken and simply completely ignored various statutes at sometime in life. So there will always be a level of 'resistance'...
Even the death penalty didnt stop murders happening.
I certainly dont prescribe to a 'Darwinistic' approach to the road, although it does have a certain 'appeal' until you consider the 'fucknut' is going to take someone else out/with them; or, maybe a better approach is. A stepped licence system, restricting access to high power vehicles to those with a 'high skill' license. A period of time has to elapse each step,(and not just months) and/or a more stringent, or advanced skill acquired (AMI for instance) ... it would help encourage less 'completely stupidly' powered cars and bikes on the road...
and lets be honest,,, WHERE SAFELY could you operate on the NZ roads a ZX1400? (which de-restricted in Aussie did 330kph+) ?
Maybe the Krauts had it right years ago when they had a 100bhp law for motorcycles,,,, The 'master blaster's' of the 70's and early 80's all made do with around 90-100bhp.

[MD]

I hope I can have a good look for cellphone offences and not find one.
Have I had too many wines?
1, Cell phones
Seriously I have seen SO MANY people driving while on the phone lately. It's an epidemic. Please book them all. I must have missed where they passed a law that using your phone while driving exempts you from giving way and indicating. I should stop diligently indicating my lane changes and turns at intersections so I can say, it's Ok Officer, I didn't need to indicate/give way because I was yapping on my phone. Oh sonny that's alright then, sorry I pulled you over, I didn't realise you were on the phone.

2. You can never have too many wines. Just not while driving. But you know that.

Unfortunately for me today a 9 kph tolerance wasn't going to make jack shit difference to the speed tax invoice I was handed today. My almost four years without a speeding ticket came to an abrupt end. All my tickets have been on open roads in what I consider 'selective' conditions (time and place) to speed but I accept Police have a duty to do and as always I was polite and accepted the tax without argument.

I have lost count of how may 111kph to 115kph fines I have received on boring straight motorways where all about me are doing about 110+. Still it's my choice, my money. I was surprised though that said Officer heading the other way to me on a widely separated motorway could pick my small bike out amongst the herd of SUVs, but apparently so. I could have argued I wasn't identified but he was polite and friendly and gave me no lecture and erred on the much lower 'locked on' speed rather than the rather unpleasant speed initially detected (thank you), so we mutually agreed it was a paperwork exercise. He radioed ahead for half the Police force to swoop on me which proves the often joked about comment, you can't out run a radio wave. How I wish they would show such energy towards those that are simply piss poor drivers. Still, after endless wet weekends I had a blast stretching the MVs legs today.

[R650R]

1, Cell phones
Seriously I have seen SO MANY people driving while on the phone lately. It's an epidemic. Please book them all.

Waste of time, its funny what annoys people, what they think is dangerous compared to real world happenings. Phones and say tailgating are a couple of obvious things easy to spot that annoy people but prob result in few real crashes as a percentage overall. In over ten years of professional truck driving I've had my fair share of near misses plus on bike, honestly none have ever had a phone glued to their ear.
To me phones are just say 10% of the possible ways to be distracted or fatigued and not paying the appropriate attention.
Campaigns around phones and drink driving just ignore our core problem of poor driving standards.
There should just be one driving/riding offence of "Not of the Required Standard". Make the experience a permanent driving test that never ends.

[Big Dog]

Waste of time, its funny what annoys people, what they think is dangerous compared to real world happenings. Phones and say tailgating are a couple of obvious things easy to spot that annoy people but prob result in few real crashes as a percentage overall. In over ten years of professional truck driving I've had my fair share of near misses plus on bike, honestly none have ever had a phone glued to their ear.
To me phones are just say 10% of the possible ways to be distracted or fatigued and not paying the appropriate attention.
Campaigns around phones and drink driving just ignore our core problem of poor driving standards.
There should just be one driving/riding offence of "Not of the Required Standard". Make the experience a permanent driving test that never ends.

The key that makes phones a target instead of "Not of the required standard" is there is no judgement involved.
You were using a phone.
You were not using a phone.

Pretty hard to say "you were driving badly" because compared to what and by whose judgement? Bloody hard to prove that that is being policed in an unbiased way.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Akzle]

Pretty hard to say "you were driving badly" because compared to what and by whose judgement?

the kb tribunal, obviously.

[R650R]

Pretty hard to say "you were driving badly" because compared to what and by whose judgement? Bloody hard to prove that that is being policed in an unbiased way.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

It would be just like the good ol days when you only got stopped if your driving caught the attention of cops, seemed to work ok then. What it would do is allow people with the mental capacity to drive and use phone to carry on as normal while so teen with ADHD and a touch screen phone with forehead resting on steering wheel swerving across lanes gets pulled.
This way the real accidents waiting to happen would get pulled and safe people wouldn't be taking up police time.

[Big Dog]

It would be just like the good ol days when you only got stopped if your driving caught the attention of cops, seemed to work ok then. What it would do is allow people with the mental capacity to drive and use phone to carry on as normal while so teen with ADHD and a touch screen phone with forehead resting on steering wheel swerving across lanes gets pulled.
This way the real accidents waiting to happen would get pulled and safe people wouldn't be taking up police time.

But that still takes away the foundation argument of out justice system that the police, the law makers and the courts are all separate and operate independently of each other.

Police officers should be enforcing the law I the land without bias or prejudice.

It ain't perfect but until someone comes up with a better system it is the best choice available.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Swoop]

Increased lifespans are expensive to maintain with such a low retirement age. Better to kill as many commoners as possible, as early as possible. I R A TORY! HEAR ME ROAR. That reminds me of Kay Perry's tits.

What were we talking about again?

Katy Perry's tits. Please stay on topic or at least add pics.:blip:

[James Deuce]

Katy Perry's tits. Please stay on topic or at least add pics.:blip:

Roger! Oops, that just slipped out. Crikey! It's getting worse!

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[BoristheBiter]

Katy Perry's tits. Please stay on topic or at least add pics.:blip:

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[Swoop]

In the words of Guy Martin "By eck, she's a crackin' lass!".

I have no reason why, but those pics made me dash off to the garage and check the tyre pressures on my bike.:sweatdrop
Bloody 'ell! The rear was down by 5psi! An accident could have happened because of that. Katy Perry, your boobies have saved me! I shall worship them for many years to come!

[unstuck]

In the words of Guy Martin "By eck, she's a crackin' lass, think I will go and lay in this field and have a wank lad!.



What he really said.:lol:

[Scuba_Steve]

But that still takes away the foundation argument of out justice system that the police, the law makers and the courts are all separate and operate independently of each other.

Police officers should be enforcing the law I the land without bias or prejudice.

It ain't perfect but until someone comes up with a better system it is the best choice available.


If your've ever seen this "justice system" at work you'll know the above is so far from real world operation it's not funny anymore

[R650R]

But that still takes away the foundation argument of out justice system that the police, the law makers and the courts are all separate and operate independently of each other.

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

None of that part is taken away, you could still dispute your ticket for improper driving in court if you wish to do so.
Just removing all the categories that lull people into thinking their good as they only break some of the laws...

[R650R]

Jesus that kitchens a mess, someone fetch the woman a cloth...

[BoristheBiter]

Jesus that kitchens a mess, someone fetch the woman a cloth...

She's in a kitchen? I never got that far.

[MD]

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I hope she's better at cooking than dressing herself. That top is slipping off and she forgot to do up her pants. If you can call that tiny piece of material pants. Are they not close to the perfect set of tits ever! Not that I go around observing tits you know.