Internet/Mana Party

[Oakie]

I thought my indigenous brothers would have learned by now. Beware of smiling white men offering gifts in exchange for what they have. I guess $250,000 is the equivalent of a few muskets and blankets 160 years ago.

I'm no supporter of the Mana Party but I feel a bit sorry for them. They were earnest in what they believed in now seem to have become star-struck by the smiling German.

I wonder where Sue Bradford will go now.

Discuss.

[Akzle]

im going to elect them. Simply to piss you old white fucks off.

*9/10ths of your post was irrelevant.

**make that 10/10ths.

[Laava]

im going to elect them. Simply to piss you old white fucks off.

*9/10ths of your post was irrelevant.

**make that 10/10ths.

That is how a democracy works! Now you're getting it!

[Hitcher]

How long before he becomes Hone Dotmaoridotnz?

[Stylo]

Laila Harre reportedly about to be announced as the new leader of the Internet-Mana party.

They have a party name and a leader now ( to be announced officially ) who's an extreme left wing extremist and a union party affiliate, nothing more and has done nothing except complain in all the time she was on the stage.

No policies announced or forthcoming, totally in-line with the Mana/ Internet doctrine which is simply an agenda to remove the John Key Government.

God help us

[Gremlin]

God help us.
That's not even the worst part...

There will be people voting for them :facepalm:

edit: On the bright side, I'm thinking it's only robbing voters from Labour and Greens (maybe only Greens?)

[R650R]

im going to elect them. Simply to piss you old white fucks off.

*9/10ths of your post was irrelevant.

**make that 10/10ths.

Make that two votes. I used to vote Winston just to protest vote against the other fools.
They will be sleepless in Wellywood about the possibility of dotcoms persona awakening the youth vote, we're one hit viral election them song away from a bigger mess than the Winston tradeoff ever was...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battle_of_Aspen

http://sabcat.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/hunter330.png

[oldrider]

Maoridom taking one step forward (Independant Maori party) and two steps backward! (Maori.Dot.com.money party) :rolleyes: Buggar! :facepalm:

[SPman]

No policies announced or forthcoming, totally in-line with the Mana/ Internet doctrine which is simply an agenda to remove the John Key Government.


You don't read very widely, do you.



..Because of confused reporting some people think this arrangement is a merger of Mana and the Internet Party. It isn’t. Instead it’s a strategic alliance (or strategic warfare as a friend puts it) where each party remains separate and independent but we co-operate together to form a group called Internet-Mana which will put forward a joint party list in the election campaign.
.............

There will be those who say Mana has only gone into this arrangement for the potential campaign money which the Internet Party can provide. However Mana’s priorities for 2014 have always been the Māori electorate seats and we already have the maximum funds we can spend on those campaigns. (In the three months leading up the election only $25,000 is able to be spent on an electorate campaign)
Where the additional resources will help is in the Internet-Mana party vote campaign. Mana on its own would have struggled to run a strong party vote campaign but now a joint campaign committee will oversee and fund this campaign.



Not sure if I like the alliance or not - the only thing they appear to have in common is to get rid of Jonkey - otherwise, a party fighting for the bottom of society, with a bunch of wealthy fatcats seems odd. Interesting if it works out.

[SMOKEU]

Vote ALCP.

[AllanB]

Kim.dot.cum has separated from his Asian wife. Guess he is sniffing out some brown meat now.

It will blow up - .dot.cum will have some large (haha) skeletons in his cupboard.

[Oakie]

They will be sleepless in Wellywood about the possibility of dotcoms persona awakening the youth vote,

My worry is that they can promise whatever they like to attract the youth vote knowing full well they'll never have to deliver. "Free skateboards for everyone ... vote for us" ... "Yes you can buy booze at 16 ... just vote for us". Hopefully our youth are a bit more sophisticated than that though. It'll be an interesting election campaign, that's for sure and I reckon the Labour / Greens alliance will now be fighting it on two fronts.

[R650R]

Kim.dot.cum has separated from his Asian wife. Guess he is sniffing out some brown meat now.

It will blow up - .dot.cum will have some large (haha) skeletons in his cupboard.

He is actually quite a dubious character, when the mega upload story first broke and it was worldwide news a lot of the conspiracy sites said something else was up.
He is supremly self confident given the predicament he has been in, like some higher power is backing him...
It remains to be seen what is the bigger picture of him being here is though...

http://images.fastcompany.com/upload/610-kimdotcom-2.jpg

[R650R]

My worry is that they can promise whatever they like to attract the youth vote knowing full well they'll never have to deliver

And that is different from the current political dog and pony show???

http://www.alt-market.com/images/stories/obamney-for-insanity-party-prez-2012.jpg

[Oakie]

And that is different from the current political dog and pony show???

Because National, Labour, The Greens and NZ First all have a shot at being in the position to make policy after the election so they need to be able to follow through with what they are saying now. Whatever way it falls, Internet / Mana won't be guiding the country's policy so they can say whatver they like ... just like the 1970's 'Mickey Mouse Party' whose main election platform was free cheese for everyone.

[Akzle]

'Mickey Mouse Party' whose main election platform was free cheese for everyone.

given that it costs 10$ a kilo now, perhaps some more input from them earlier in the picture wouldnt have been a bad thing.

[ellipsis]

...the most spectacular and funny thing to happen in the world of parasites, dreamers and thieves for a long time...roll on reality... ...the yoof, dont discount their motivations...:Punk:

[R650R]

Because National, Labour, The Greens and NZ First all have...
promised to cut crime/reduce unemployment/fix education/fix healthacare yada yada yada.... and still not delivered on those promises...

[Laava]

Kim.dot.cum has separated from his Asian wife. Guess he is sniffing out some brown meat now.

It will blow up - .dot.cum will have some large (haha) skeletons in his cupboard.

Yep, I reckon that too.

[oldrider]

He has an autographed original copy of Hitlers Mein Campf, this does not make him a Nazi but it does mean he is well versed in Hitlers methods!

It certainly worked for Hitler.

With Bank of England financial backing Hitler certainly made his presence felt upon the world.

Dot.com financial backing and influence (Hitlers methodology) and a rogue Maori activist might appear just as improbable as did Hitler to begin with!

This combination further combined with the rather large stupid fraction of voters in New Zealand may be just the spark of ignition of a Kiwi political big bang!

WARNING: "Light blue touch paper do not hold in the hand"! :shit: Just harmless crackers anyone? :shifty: . Have money have lunatics will travel! :rolleyes:

Coming to a country near you! :blip: ... :soon:

[puddytat]

Kim.dot.cum has separated from his Asian wife. Guess he is sniffing out some brown meat now.

It will blow up - .dot.cum will have some large (haha) skeletons in his cupboard.

Its purely for tax reasons....

[Winston001]

Bob Jones once famously referred to Laila Harre as Hairy Lilo - naturally I thought this was an appalling insult. ;)

Good luck to them but I can't resist the irony. Here are a couple of internet comments which popped up:


"As I understand it, despite her long and close association with the left, Ms Harre is one of the rich pricks, having inherited a share of the wealth generated by her uncle Anthony Yock and late grandfather Morris Yock, the inventors of the jandle."

True, she is/was on the NBR Rich List.


"There can’t be many Parties left for Laila Harre to join. Labour –> New Labour –> Alliance –> Greens –> Internet/Mana."

"Another left wing nutter sells her soul for money. When all these people ridicule John Key for being rich, they are ready to lick FatCon’s shoes for money. So much for their integrity."

[Winston001]

I've defended Sue Bradford on this board previously and am pleased to see her once again displaying integrity. Resigned from Mana/Internet.

Yep she is hard to like but gotta give her a nod and big ups. Respect.

[Oscar]

Firstly kudos to Sue Bradford. I never agreed with your politics but you have my respect (but you’re going a bit easy on your former colleagues).

John Minto – you wanker. Where are your principles you hypocrite? You say you stand for the poor and desperate, but you’ll take the money for a sniff of power.

Liala Harre? What the fuck? Again, I hardly ever agreed with your politics, but I always respected your passion and honesty. So what are you doing now? Are you that desperate for power that you will lay down with a misogynist pornographer and thief? You are supposed to stand for workers rights, womans rights and for the poor - but now you take the money from the worst kind of capitalist?

Hone. Congratulations, you have now exceeded Alamein Kopu as the worst thing to happen to Maori politics. Shame on you.

...and the sight of the Greens and Labour pussyfooting around this makes me sick. Say what you think, you gutless fuckers.

[Akzle]

"As I understand it, despite her long and close association with the left, Ms Harre is one of the rich pricks, having inherited a share of the wealth generated by her uncle Anthony Yock and late grandfather Morris Yock, the inventors of the jandle."

"There can’t be many Parties left for Laila Harre to join. Labour –> New Labour –> Alliance –> Greens –> Internet/Mana."

"Another left wing nutter sells her soul for money. When all these people ridicule John Key for being rich, they are ready to lick FatCon’s shoes for money. So much for their integrity."

the best argument against democracy is a conversation with the average voter.

and what you post is exactly the uninformed dipshittery that keeps any of the fuckers in the hive. The kind of wankers that would have been all over bbs saying that helen looks like a man.

Yes, hes fat, and german and rich. All fucking irrelevant. Now, can we move forward as a nation.

Key is a skinny jew weasel looking cunt, dont hear dotcom resorting to that infantile shit though, do you?
So who's the bigger man.

[scott411]

I've defended Sue Bradford on this board previously and am pleased to see her once again displaying integrity. Resigned from Mana/Internet.

Yep she is hard to like but gotta give her a nod and big ups. Respect.

I agree with you on this, I don't really agree with much Ms Bradford says, but she has always been a woman of principle, and she showed it here,

[ducatilover]

promised to cut crime/reduce unemployment/fix education/fix healthacare yada yada yada.... and still not delivered on those promises...

But high speed internet will?

This is really a bit of a joke.
Akzle and I will be starting a new party, so keep your eyes peeled.

[Paul in NZ]

Sadly - I have to agree with you... Its a bloody silly looking combination and casts shame on those going along with it...

[buggerit]

They are politicians,what the fuck did you expect?

[mashman]

http://images.cryhavok.org/d/13559-1/Whambulance.jpg

They're, well, you're all fuckin useless.

[BoristheBiter]

Firstly kudos to Sue Bradford. I never agreed with your politics but you have my respect (but you’re going a bit easy on your former colleagues).

John Minto – you wanker. Where are your principles you hypocrite? You say you stand for the poor and desperate, but you’ll take the money for a sniff of power.

Liala Harre? What the fuck? Again, I hardly ever agreed with your politics, but I always respected your passion and honesty. So what are you doing now? Are you that desperate for power that you will lay down with a misogynist pornographer and thief? You are supposed to stand for workers rights, womans rights and for the poor - but now you take the money from the worst kind of capitalist?

Hone. Congratulations, you have now exceeded Alamein Kopu as the worst thing to happen to Maori politics. Shame on you.

...and the sight of the Greens and Labour pussyfooting around this makes me sick. Say what you think, you gutless fuckers.

No need to say anything else as you've just said it all.

[BoristheBiter]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t1.0-9/10303367_10152271803910819_8939607259698088245_n.j pg

[oldrider]

But high speed internet will?

This is really a bit of a joke.
Akzle and I will be starting a new party, so keep your eyes peeled.

A party with Akzle? ... C'mon, Akzle has always inferred that he is a party of one standing against all the evil of the world! :oi-grr: (It's his point of difference!)

Divided he stands, united he simply falls into the same old Jew driven (his term) world of corruption! ... Our eyes will have to be well peeled for this one! :eek5:

[oldrider]

Bloody clever Boris! :lol:

[BoristheBiter]

Bloody clever Boris! :lol:

I wish i could say thats mine but it's on facebook.

[oldrider]

the best argument against democracy is a conversation with the average voter.

True!... Majority of democratic governments are a reflection of it's average voter! ... :tugger: ... most of them! :yes:

[Mental Trousers]

Here's hoping they split Winston's voters so that wanker doesn't get to be King Maker.

[Laava]

Firstly kudos to Sue Bradford. I never agreed with your politics but you have my respect (but you’re going a bit easy on your former colleagues).

John Minto – you wanker. Where are your principles you hypocrite? You say you stand for the poor and desperate, but you’ll take the money for a sniff of power.

Liala Harre? What the fuck? Again, I hardly ever agreed with your politics, but I always respected your passion and honesty. So what are you doing now? Are you that desperate for power that you will lay down with a misogynist pornographer and thief? You are supposed to stand for workers rights, womans rights and for the poor - but now you take the money from the worst kind of capitalist?

Hone. Congratulations, you have now exceeded Alamein Kopu as the worst thing to happen to Maori politics. Shame on you.

...and the sight of the Greens and Labour pussyfooting around this makes me sick. Say what you think, you gutless fuckers.

To be honest I don't see anything new here at all. We have a good example of what not to vote for if you don't agree but a very good example of what a segment of society wants. Polling day will tell the real story. Not a Hone supporter but I admire his integrity for the most part. What you see is what you get etc. Dotcom on the other hand, is a very unknown quantity.

[ducatilover]

A party with Akzle? ... C'mon, Akzle has always inferred that he is a party of one standing against all the evil of the world! :oi-grr: (It's his point of difference!)

Divided he stands, united he simply falls into the same old Jew driven (his term) world of corruption! ... Our eyes will have to be well peeled for this one! :eek5:

Well in all fairness, Akzle and I wouldn't have to do fuck all. I'd make him grow drugs, I'd take the profit and who cares about the country? So, basically I will be a legalise marijuana leader. Except not stoned, so I'll do the job much better.
Akzle is my bitch.

[oldrider]

Well in all fairness, Akzle and I wouldn't have to do fuck all. I'd make him grow drugs, I'd take the profit and who cares about the country? So, basically I will be a legalise marijuana leader. Except not stoned, so I'll do the job much better.
Akzle is my bitch.

Sounds like fun :heart: ... does this mean he will now be known as a Ducati-Akzle? :ride: . :laugh:

[oldrider]

Hone has never claimed to be a politician ... he is a "Maori activist" (his own words) and that is a very different kettle of fish! :shifty:

[Katman]

Hey, at least it isn't Annette Sykes of "kill a white man, die a hero" fame at the Internet Party helm.

[ducatilover]

Sounds like fun :heart: ... does this mean he will now be known as a Ducati-Akzle? :ride: . :laugh:

Yes, but he can no longer speak.

[Akzle]

Akzle and I will be starting a new party,

i'm still recovering from the old one... the acid has nearly worn off... damn bats!


infact, the first order of business! remove the flourine from the water supply.

replace it with lsd.

[ducatilover]

i'm still recovering from the old one... the acid has nearly worn off... damn bats!


infact, the first order of business! remove the flourine from the water supply.

replace it with lsd.

This is why you are my bitch. I do the important parts and you make the ideas which you get no credit for.

[Akzle]

...different kettle of fish! :shifty:

nobody mention the quotas!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Firstly kudos to Sue Bradford. I never agreed with your politics but you have my respect (but you’re going a bit easy on your former colleagues).

John Minto – you wanker. Where are your principles you hypocrite? You say you stand for the poor and desperate, but you’ll take the money for a sniff of power.

Liala Harre? What the fuck? Again, I hardly ever agreed with your politics, but I always respected your passion and honesty. So what are you doing now? Are you that desperate for power that you will lay down with a misogynist pornographer and thief? You are supposed to stand for workers rights, womans rights and for the poor - but now you take the money from the worst kind of capitalist?

Hone. Congratulations, you have now exceeded Alamein Kopu as the worst thing to happen to Maori politics. Shame on you.

...and the sight of the Greens and Labour pussyfooting around this makes me sick. Say what you think, you gutless fuckers.

They can't: they need this collection of fuckwits to make a bloc to be at least a credible (certainly not a creditable) opposition.... if not gubblemunt.

Having said that, it's no less craven than donkey and his lumpy minions pussyfooting around the dreadful Colin Craig (look at him walk: he is clearly a Thunderbirds puppet) and the now-risible ACT.

Meanwhile, Winston First cackles quietly in the corner as he waits for the 1950's to roll around again.

I despair. Truly. They are all awful.

[oldrider]

Hey, at least it isn't Annette Sykes of "kill a white man, die a hero" fame at the Internet Party helm.

She (Annette Sykes) is still in the mix, this cocktail of misfits has total negative everything and they will be right in there beside the nations vital organs!

Remember the TV program "You asked for it" ... here we go then! :corn:

[R650R]

the best argument against democracy is a conversation with the average voter.

and what you post is exactly the uninformed dipshittery that keeps any of the fuckers in the hive. The kind of wankers that would have been all over bbs saying that helen looks like a man.

Yes, hes fat, and german and rich. All fucking irrelevant. Now, can we move forward as a nation.

Key is a skinny jew weasel looking cunt, dont hear dotcom resorting to that infantile shit though, do you?
So who's the bigger man.

That's the most intelligent post I've read on here so far and nails it.

I'm going to start a party called Last Orders as its time to call closing on the drunken pisstake that politics has been so far.

The first law to be passed is that in 3 years time there will never be a paid politician in NZ ever again, the job will be made redundant. In place of this appropriately experienced people from relevant sectors on industry will be elected by NZ to lead cabinet style roles in their areas of expertise. These semi retired folks will get housing and healthcare and a modest wage.
It will be illegal to redesign/rebrand/relocate any govt services that is already operating in an acceptable manner and end the waste of money that incurs.
The Cook straight ferry service will be immediately nationalised and taken over by the navy and will be free for all citizens and nz businesses to use, tourists will pay however. The extra economic activity will recoup the cost through increased revenue from petrol tax and higher business activity.
All traffic and motor vehicle offences will be abolished and replaced with a new offence of driving/riding like a Fwit with instant licence loss and sentence decided upon by jury.
This will free up police to concentrate on really nailing serious non traffic related crime.
Hiring of consultants by any govt or council dept will be banned as no one will be employed in a position without the relevant expertise.
Local councils to be abolished and replaced with a Parks and Recreation dept, I've already head hunted Ron Swanson for this.

http://www.whineordine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Ron-Swanson-Turf-and-Turf.jpg

[oldrider]

nobody mention the quotas!

If Hone gets his seat back the quota will be automatic! :stoogie: Activists unlimited! :rolleyes:

[Paul in NZ]

This is why you are my bitch. I do the important parts and you make the ideas which you get no credit for.

He does not get any credit for his ideas as it stands....

[ducatilover]

He does not get any credit for his ideas as it stands....

Which has made my job even easier.

[Akzle]

The first law to be passed is that in 3 years time there will never be a paid politician in NZ ever again,

i would align it to minimum wage. With a house budget of one spare salary, for any pollies that need to travel etc. No bmws, no credit cards, no hotels, no flights, except out of the house budget.
This might motivate the cunts to improve things 'from the ground up', helping people, instead of helping jews.
Also, voting would be survivor style - voting out, rather than in. And anyone with a democratic majority gets taken out the back and shot. This might motivate the cunts to enshrine the will of the people as law, rather than pushing their own agewnda.
And i would banhammer americunts, jews, lawyers, niggers, crackers and townies. And replace hamilton with a large lake.

[ducatilover]

And replace hamilton with a large lake.

I'd promote you for this if I wasn't so fuckin greedy.
Best idea I have ever heard of, including the genius who reckons the same quantity of bread, cut up is more betterer than a loaf of uncut bread.

[Oscar]

They're, well, you're all fuckin useless.

As are your unfailingly stupid posts.

[Oscar]

They are politicians,what the fuck did you expect?

These were people that I could argue with all day long about their politics, but I had a lot of respect for their integrity.
People like Harre and Minto are the last people I would have thought would sell out..

[mashman]

As are your unfailingly stupid posts.

Hey, you're the OP stating that you're losing respect for some politicians. That you've hung on for so long without having to resort to crying on the interweb shows just how fuckin stupid you are. So stupid calling stupid stupid is just more stupidity you stupid fuck.

[Oscar]

Hey, you're the OP stating that you're losing respect for some politicians. That you've hung on for so long without having to resort to crying on the interweb shows just how fuckin stupid you are. So stupid calling stupid stupid is just more stupidity you stupid fuck.

That pretty much proves my point.
In your little world, all politicians are bad. This is because you actually believe the simple minded propaganda that you vomit all over here.
You are also confused because I used words like integrity and respect and these play no part in your fantasy world.
You are a small brained stereotype desperately seeking approval from other internet idiots.

[Akzle]

i was once assured that arrogantly presented ignorance was a 'new zealand trait'
at the time, i defended it vehemently.
Now... Im not so sure it isnt.
Maybe its just that cowards talk the loudest.

[Oscar]

fuck i wish i could red you thrice.
Because you have No. Fucking. Clue.

Oh no!
Reputation points!
l'horreur!!

If you think I give a shit what you think, you're even dumber'n him:laugh:

[Oscar]

i was once assured that arrogantly presented ignorance was a 'new zealand trait'
at the time, i defended it vehemently.
Now... Im not so sure it isnt.
Maybe its just that cowards talk the loudest.

More from the Mashman school of drivel.

[BoristheBiter]

More from the Mashman school of drivel.

No, he is a whole new level of drivel.

[Oscar]

No, he is a whole new level of drivel.

Star pupil?
The idiot savant of drivel, maybe?

[Zarkov]

Harre, Dotcom, and Harawira are all smart cookies, so maybe you don't understand what's going on.

They all have their own constituencies and obviously you guys aren't on their list, but that doesn't make it a bad idea.

Don't you watch Game of Thrones?

[Oscar]

i would align it to minimum wage. With a house budget of one spare salary, for any pollies that need to travel etc. No bmws, no credit cards, no hotels, no flights, except out of the house budget.
This might motivate the cunts to improve things 'from the ground up', helping people, instead of helping jews.
Also, voting would be survivor style - voting out, rather than in. And anyone with a democratic majority gets taken out the back and shot. This might motivate the cunts to enshrine the will of the people as law, rather than pushing their own agewnda.
And i would banhammer americunts, jews, lawyers, niggers, crackers and townies. And replace hamilton with a large lake.

This would make the job attractive to sociopathic losers like you.
You could stand on the idiot cuntface party ticket.

[Oscar]

oh darlings.
you need hugs.

Bit of a Rolf Harris fan are you?

[HenryDorsetCase]

I want you boys to strip naked, oil yourselves up, and wrestle to see who is the winner. You may use handbags also.

Post pics.

If you get erections then that's entirely your own business. You certainly have the hard-on for each other now.

[Oscar]

I want you boys to strip naked, oil yourselves up, and wrestle to see who is the winner. You may use handbags also.

Post pics.

If you get erections then that's entirely your own business. You certainly have the hard-on for each other now.

Too late.

Can I borrow a tissue?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Harre, Dotcom, and Harawira are all smart cookies, so maybe you don't understand what's going on.

They all have their own constituencies and obviously you guys aren't on their list, but that doesn't make it a bad idea.

Don't you watch Game of Thrones?

well put. What I find amusing is that if (say) the particular poster is fairly obviously sympathetic to the (say) centre right pursuasion, then everyone else is clearly an idiot no-hoping dole bludginb sandal smoking hippie ween. If (say) the poster is more swayed by the centre-left, then everyone else is a fascist, nazi, white middle class male oppressor.

Its all a bit silly.

My views, since you asked? I have no time for any of them. The ones I have met I have found personable enough, but the strictures of party hierarchy, and their universal greed and ambition mean that even if they did once have ideals, they are sacrificed by the day to day requirement to drag down the oppos, and to advance their own careers. I acknowledge that this is very broad generalisation.

Let me give you a specific example. John Banks.: Grew up poor, was smart, worked really hard and "Got somewhere" in life. Successful businessman, decides to go into politics. Because he had dragged himself up by the bootlaces he becomes a person who espouses the right wing views. Relatively successful politician - he was a Cabinet Minister etc. But now, reduced to the equivalent of sucking off Cherman millionaires in carparks for chump change. He will burn for that and deservedly so: and the reason is overarching ambition.

I have a lot of respect for the institutions of government: in particular (and perhaps not surprisingly) the Judicial. What I lack now is any respect at all for he persons fulfilling the executive and legislative roles.

Special mention here for the media and the 24 hour news cycle.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Too late.

Can I borrow a tissue?

I've got some rubber gloves and wet-wipes somewhere. Let me have a look.

[Oscar]

well put. What I find amusing is that if (say) the particular poster is fairly obviously sympathetic to the (say) centre right pursuasion, then everyone else is clearly an idiot no-hoping dole bludginb sandal smoking hippie ween. If (say) the poster is more swayed by the centre-left, then everyone else is a fascist, nazi, white middle class male oppressor.

Its all a bit silly.

My views, since you asked? I have no time for any of them. The ones I have met I have found personable enough, but the strictures of party hierarchy, and their universal greed and ambition mean that even if they did once have ideals, they are sacrificed by the day to day requirement to drag down the oppos, and to advance their own careers. I acknowledge that this is very broad generalisation.

Let me give you a specific example. John Banks.: Grew up poor, was smart, worked really hard and "Got somewhere" in life. Successful businessman, decides to go into politics. Because he had dragged himself up by the bootlaces he becomes a person who espouses the right wing views. Relatively successful politician - he was a Cabinet Minister etc. But now, reduced to the equivalent of sucking off Cherman millionaires in carparks for chump change. He will burn for that and deservedly so: and the reason is overarching ambition.

I have a lot of respect for the institutions of government: in particular (and perhaps not surprisingly) the Judicial. What I lack now is any respect at all for he persons fulfilling the executive and legislative roles.

Special mention here for the media and the 24 hour news cycle.

You are correct - it isn't about left or right.

Despite not agreeing with their political beliefs, I admired and respected most of the people I mentioned in the original post.
Like John Banks (who I have never admired one bit), they have reduced themselves to chasing the money.

[Oscar]

as opposed to money-grubbing jew fucks?

what could possibly go wrong?

I'm picking that the trains would run on time...

[R650R]

Just read on Stuff article Laila worked for UN, she's on the inside, that means this Manadotcom gig is on whether we want it or not.
What have they instore for us...

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/custom/w/h/kdnolidc.jpeg

[mashman]

That pretty much proves my point.
In your little world, all politicians are bad. This is because you actually believe the simple minded propaganda that you vomit all over here.
You are also confused because I used words like integrity and respect and these play no part in your fantasy world.
You are a small brained stereotype desperately seeking approval from other internet idiots.

Only in your mind dear oscar.
In my little world there aren't any politicians, there are people doing jobs that no one man can do himself. You refer to it as a society. I would rather have it as a community. All mucking in and doing what needs to be done and not getting shafted for it because of tight bastards (a jew in the scouse vernacular) that believe they are more important than anyone else and based on that belief they justify their entire entitlement complex by pretending that they are men of success and that they should be rewarded, coz they iz speshul. So knuckfuckle, there would be no politicians at all in my fantasy land. And damned straight I believe that that is achievable. I see you set your standards of behaviour low. Ooooo shiver.
My entire world is built upon integrity and respect. That's much more of a natural state for a human being to be in, than money grabbing bastard.
bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaa... and even if I was, t'would be better than being sheeple.

What a fuckin neanderthal man. Grow an imagination.

[Oscar]

Only in your mind dear oscar.
In my little world there aren't any politicians, there are people doing jobs that no one man can do himself. You refer to it as a society. I would rather have it as a community. All mucking in and doing what needs to be done and not getting shafted for it because of tight bastards (a jew in the scouse vernacular) that believe they are more important than anyone else and based on that belief they justify their entire entitlement complex by pretending that they are men of success and that they should be rewarded, coz they iz speshul. So knuckfuckle, there would be no politicians at all in my fantasy land. And damned straight I believe that that is achievable. I see you set your standards of behaviour low. Ooooo shiver.
My entire world is built upon integrity and respect. That's much more of a natural state for a human being to be in, than money grabbing bastard.
bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaa... and even if I was, t'would be better than being sheeple.

What a fuckin neanderthal man. Grow an imagination.

How long have you had these delusions of grandeur?
In your little world, do you wear a snazzy uniform, lotsa medals?

[mashman]

How long have you had these delusions of grandeur?
In your little world, do you wear a snazzy uniform, lotsa medals?

:killingme... dreams are free and are standards worthy of aiming for. I don't expect you to understand that, which kinda tickles me all funny like.
Kinky, but if I chose to do so I wouldn't be choosing you as a partner coz you seemed to rattle that little ditty off as if it were more of a fetish than the best you've got.

[Oakie]

Key is a skinny jew weasel looking cunt, dont hear dotcom resorting to that infantile shit though, do you?
So you just described Key in certain terms and then said that to describe him in those terms is infantile ... ergo, you are infantile?


So who's the bigger man.
The smiling German is the much bigger man. Obviously. But Key is the better man. Quality over quantity.

[mashman]

The smiling German is the much bigger man. Obviously. But Key is the better man. Quality over quantity.

Which one of them is quality and which one is quantity?

[Akzle]

So you just described Key in certain terms and then said that to describe him in those terms is infantile ... ergo, you are infantile?


The smiling German is the much bigger man. Obviously. But Key is the better man. Quality over quantity.

you suck at this. you really do. for you...... prostate cancer.

[Oscar]

:killingme... dreams are free and are standards worthy of aiming for. I don't expect you to understand that, which kinda tickles me all funny like.
Kinky, but if I chose to do so I wouldn't be choosing you as a partner coz you seemed to rattle that little ditty off as if it were more of a fetish than the best you've got.

I have to say, you talk a good game.
There is little or no evidence of substance, though.

[Voltaire]

http://www.getfrank.co.nz/uploads/Leighton_Smith.jpg

" Hi Leighton ...first time caller...long time KB driveller..."

" If I was in power I'd ...."

" Jews...."

" krauts..."

" Leighton don't hang up on me.....":baby:

[mashman]

I have to say, you talk a good game.
There is little or no evidence of substance, though.

There's a difference between knowing that it would work and not wanting it to work. Oh and I don't want credit for you starting thinking :bleh: Do it again, but follow it further and underpin it with the idea that an entire population is up for it. No one will lose anything. Everyone will gain something. Some, much much much more than others when viewing it from a financial perspective. I don't see that as important, as the financial system would be all but irrelevant and the people would still be needed. Rinse repeat et voila, utopia <_<. The world's a big place :D NOW that's grandeur.

Keep thinking and you'll find your evidence of substance.

[mashman]

" Hi Leighton ...first time caller...long time KB driveller..."

" If I was in power I'd ...."

" Jews...."

" krauts..."

" Leighton don't hang up on me.....":baby:

bwaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa...

[Akzle]

:baby:

do you ever actually contribute anything?

or is it that you believe your "witty cynicism" is contribution enough?

[Oakie]

you suck at this. you really do. for you...... prostate cancer.

Wow. Nice comeback dude!

[Akzle]

Wow. Nice comeback dude!

Wow. Nice comeback dude!

[Oakie]

Wow. Nice comeback dude!

OK. I'll take that as an "I've got nothing".

[Akzle]

OK. I'll take that as an "I've got nothing".

OK. I'll take that as an "I've got nothing".

[Oakie]

OK. I'll take that as an "I've got nothing".

The echo in here is really bad tonight. Must be a large empty vessel nearby.

Oakie would love to stay and continue this but is off for a thrash on the treadmill. Back in half an hour

[Akzle]

Must be a large empty vessel nearby.

Oakie would love to stay and continue this but is off for a thrash on the treadmill. Back in half an hour

1) that would be your head.

*oh snap, see what i did there?

2) treadmill... what a fag.

[tbs]

do you ever actually contribute anything?

or is it that you believe your "witty cynicism" is contribution enough?

Oh the irony!

[SPman]

Fuck me, it's back to talkback radio again - mainly half arsed rants based on hearsay and speculation, unencumbered with facts and a shot of good old kiwi "kick-em-in-the -balls-they're-all-fucking-useless-cunts-especially-if-they-actually-have-something-to-say-that-I-don't-like", bias.

Or perhaps the Slater has taken over this site........


:brick:

[Oakie]

1) that would be your head.

*oh snap, see what i did there?



Yes you're too clever for me. I'm off to slash my wrists.

[Oscar]

There's a difference between knowing that it would work and not wanting it to work. Oh and I don't want credit for you starting thinking :bleh: Do it again, but follow it further and underpin it with the idea that an entire population is up for it. No one will lose anything. Everyone will gain something. Some, much much much more than others when viewing it from a financial perspective. I don't see that as important, as the financial system would be all but irrelevant and the people would still be needed. Rinse repeat et voila, utopia <_<. The world's a big place :D NOW that's grandeur.

Keep thinking and you'll find your evidence of substance.

You do a lot of thinking and knowing.
You do a lot of posting.
Not much doing though...

[oldrider]

Yes you're too clever for me. I'm off to slash my wrists.

Sorry ... You must first show proof of competancy for that or get someone who is qualified to do it for you: Signed OSH & ACC! :rolleyes:

[Oscar]

Fuck me, it's back to talkback radio again - mainly half arsed rants based on hearsay and speculation, unencumbered with facts and a shot of good old kiwi "kick-em-in-the -balls-they're-all-fucking-useless-cunts-especially-if-they-actually-have-something-to-say-that-I-don't-like", bias.

Or perhaps the Slater has taken over this site........


:brick:

You have been here for 12 years and have the thick end of 5,000 posts.
Why did you expect reasoned discourse?

[ellipsis]

after all this excitement and shit...I dont know...or did I forget...um...I dont know...

[Oakie]

Sorry ... You must first show proof of competancy for that or get someone who is qualified to do it for you: Signed OSH & ACC! :rolleyes:

It's OK John. I have a certificate in 'Health and Safety Management'. (True story!) I'll slash my wrists in a safety conscious manner.

[Kickaha]

It's OK John. I have a certificate in 'Health and Safety Management'.
You deserve a beating just for admitting that

[Voltaire]

do you ever actually contribute anything?

or is it that you believe your "witty cynicism" is contribution enough?

Its hardly Wikipedia here.....

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

http://cdn.thebreeze.co.nz/thebreeze/AM/2014/5/20/7776/kim.jpg

[PrincessBandit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkRIbUT6u7Q

Liza and Joel had it right all those years ago in "Cabaret".

[mashman]

You do a lot of thinking and knowing.
You do a lot of posting.
Not much doing though...

Meh... I do what I can when I can... and since when has it all been up to me? WTF are you doing?

[Oscar]

Meh... I do what I can when I can... and since when has it all been up to me? WTF are you doing?

What am I doing about what?
Your crackpot theories?
Laughing mostly...

[mashman]

What am I doing about what?
Your crackpot theories?
Laughing mostly...

That figures.

[oldrider]

This little gaggle will prove to be extremely detrimental to New Zealand society in the long run ... underestimate them at your peril! :rolleyes: My prediction only! :wait:

[Shaun Harris]

3 million dollars and a women to leed it, haha they are buggered big time

[oldrider]

3 million dollars and a women to leed it, haha they are buggered big time

"He who pays the piper calls the tune" ... niether Hone nor Lila are really leading this party, they are simply pawns in Dot.com's game! . :stoogie: . :weird: . :weird:

[Shaun Harris]

"He who pays the piper calls the tune" ... niether Hone nor Lila are really leading this party, they are simply pawns in Dot.com's game! . :stoogie: . :weird: . :weird:






of course man

[BoristheBiter]

"He who pays the piper calls the tune" ... niether Hone nor Lila are really leading this party, they are simply pawns in Dot.com's game! . :stoogie: . :weird: . :weird:

That's because they aren't leaders just shit stirrers.

[oldrider]

That's because they aren't leaders just shit stirrers.
Well when it comes to stirring shit with these people it is only the depth that varies! :yes:

With no real established direction they can simply stir in the direction of best return (for them) and follow the reactions that they want ... Chaos! Anarchy! Whatever!

It wont be what the gullible bunch of dissenchanted loose connected voters that support them into power need or want! :doh:

[mashman]

It wont be what the gullible bunch of dissenchanted loose connected voters that support them into power need or want! :doh:

I dare say a few country's have worked that out. Lots of people shouting in the streets (a million in Brazil) about something. Could it be that people have been getting what they don't need or want for a bit too long? Oh you should see my cum face right now.

[buggerit]

Well when it comes to stirring shit with these people it is only the depth that varies! :yes:

With no real established direction they can simply stir in the direction of best return (for them) and follow the reactions that they want ... Chaos! Anarchy! Whatever!

It wont be what the gullible bunch of dissenchanted loose connected voters that support them into power need or want! :doh:

So no change then:lol::whistle:

[Robert Taylor]

The Germans had Western Samoa as a colony between roughly 1900 and 1914. While they appeared to be Greeks bearing gifts with the construction of buildings and infrastructure being put in place they were in fact channeling all of the fat from new industry back to the Fatherland. So a benevolent occupier is not really an apt term for their occupation during this period.
After they came second in WW1 the colony was confiscated from them and given to NZ ( Silly us! )

Now Hone has of course like most voiciferous part Maoris / Albino Maoris / Maoris for economic convenience got something to constantly say about the history that has been conveniently rewritten ( and other parts overlooked ) to justify their never ending grievance top ups, ad infinitum.

Does he know anything about German history in the South Pacific as I have briefly articulated above? If not he should get on the case and start making representations to Bonn on behalf of his ethnic cousins....and renounce his brazen hypocrisy by ditching the fat Hun and his dirty money.

So the wish list is for those of us sick to death of these inbred philistines;

1) That this adventure ultimately bites Hone in his part European arse, big time

2) That our courts feed that overfed, obese and smug Hun to the Americans and that they destroy him for the piracy he has committed

3) That no good comes of it for LIE LA and that it will be an Hurrah for her.

Sue Bradford is a woman ( thats questionable ) that I have never had any time for but she deserves all credit for sticking solidly to her convictions and not committing hypocrisy like her fellow communists.

[phill-k]

Interesting all the national cronies are voicing on about kims criminal record, and the fact he can't even buy the house he lives in, they are doing it parrot fashion obviously a little concerned about their own position come the decision day.

National have a Chinese c##t who has bashed his wife and mother-in-law, but john boy still plays golf with him and morris boy tried interfering with due process by ringing the police and being tough with them, oh and don't forget John - I can't - remember - Banks the earwax eating little weasel John Boy sleeps with, frankly they wonder why people don't vote.

[oneofsix]

Interesting all the national cronies are voicing on about kims criminal record, and the fact he can't even buy the house he lives in, they are doing it parrot fashion obviously a little concerned about their own position come the decision day.

National have a Chinese c##t who has bashed his wife and mother-in-law, but john boy still plays golf with him and morris boy tried interfering with due process by ringing the police and being tough with them, oh and don't forget John - I can't - remember - Banks the earwax eating little weasel John Boy sleeps with, frankly they wonder why people don't vote.

Don't worry about the Nats, their mates in the movie industry are paying their dues and stepping up to nobble Kim's party as best they can

[phill-k]

Don't worry about the Nats, their mates in the movie industry are paying their dues and stepping up to nobble Kim's party as best they can

I'd really like to just laugh at this, but our court system realises Kims assets and the Yankie film makers jump in and try and cut off the money supply by attempting to freeze his assets, f##kin parasites that they are. They are spending more dollars attacking Kim than they did on the persons responsible for bringing down the tower's still economically the film industry is much more important.

[Winston001]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkRIbUT6u7Q

Liza and Joel had it right all those years ago in "Cabaret".

Clever link.


But maybe this chilling song is playing in the Dot.con schloss...


http://youtu.be/FN7r0Rr1Qyc

[pete376403]

The Germans had Western Samoa as a colony between roughly 1900 and 1914. While they appeared to be Greeks bearing gifts with the construction of buildings and infrastructure being put in place they were in fact channeling all of the fat from new industry back to the Fatherland. So a benevolent occupier is not really an apt term for their occupation during this period.
After they came second in WW1 the colony was confiscated from them and given to NZ ( Silly us! )

Does he know anything about German history in the South Pacific as I have briefly articulated above? If not he should get on the case and start making representations to Bonn on behalf of his ethnic cousins....and renounce his brazen hypocrisy by ditching the fat Hun and his dirty money. .

I don't think Britain comes out of the colonisation era perfectly lilly-white either. Colonisation was what it was - grabbing resources where-ever they may be for the benefit of the coloniser. Italy tried to create an empire in Ethiopia, Belgium had a go in the Congo, Spain and Portugal divied up South America between them, France was all over south east asia, the Dutch buggered up Indonesia and of course Britain had most of what was left. Virtually every country that was colonised in this way ended up being exploited for the "home" country - I don't think Germany was unique in what it did with Samoa.

None of the above has anything to do with the Internet-Mana alliance but it's a bit steep blaming KDC for what happened 100 odd years ago.

[oldrider]

Clever link.


But maybe this chilling song is playing in the Dot.con schloss...

video=youtube_share;FN7r0Rr1Qyc]http://youtu.be/FN7r0Rr1Qyc

In Dot.Com land the song will be sung in Te Reo (to appease Hone) and KB's phil-k will be in great voice and Lila will be humming along as she prints her new slogans!

It would be nice if I was wrong and had to oppologise but I have seen so many of these wonderous saviour parties come and go before! :yawn: Media will love them!

[Robert Taylor]

[QUOTE=pete376403;1130726825]I don't think Britain comes out of the colonisation era perfectly lilly-white either. Colonisation was what it was - grabbing resources where-ever they may be for the benefit of the coloniser. Italy tried to create an empire in Ethiopia, Belgium had a go in the Congo, Spain and Portugal divied up South America between them, France was all over south east asia, the Dutch buggered up Indonesia and of course Britain had most of what was left. Virtually every country that was colonised in this way ended up being exploited for the "home" country - I don't think Germany was unique in what it did with Samoa.

None of the above has anything to do with the Internet-Mana alliance but it's a bit steep blaming KDC for what happened 100 odd years ago.[/QGRAUOTE]

Granted that no colonial history is clean, but my post was to highlight hypocrisy. Equally its a bit steep to blame contemporary European New Zealanders for what happened here 100 or more years ago. Its equally steep to blame ( part European ) Horrendous Harawira for the same thing. Or that his cannibalistic predecessors largely ate out of existence the peoples that preceded them here. Where is their compensation?

The sooner we have politicians standing up to this never ending grievance industry rort the better.

[BoristheBiter]

Interesting all the national cronies are voicing on about kims criminal record, and the fact he can't even buy the house he lives in, they are doing it parrot fashion obviously a little concerned about their own position come the decision day.

National have a Chinese c##t who has bashed his wife and mother-in-law, but john boy still plays golf with him and morris boy tried interfering with due process by ringing the police and being tough with them, oh and don't forget John - I can't - remember - Banks the earwax eating little weasel John Boy sleeps with, frankly they wonder why people don't vote.

And Mana have a racist fuckwit for a leader that keeps his people down trodden and has now been paid off by the whitey right he so vehemently detests.
The internet party has now brought and paid for seats in the next government. If you think that is good politics then god help us all.

All in sundry has bent over and kissed dotcoms arse all in the hope they might get some money and dotcom hopes with all this spending it might keep him here and not get extradited back to the USA.
(I would have thought you would hate any party that buys seats, guess it's just the right you hate)

Why else would he back both banks and brown in the akl mayoralty campaign?
He is running out of options, he tried the right and got arrested he tried the left and found they are a bunch of failures linked together (mind you they were quick to distance themselves from him) so now is is off to the looney fringe hoping they might be king maker in the next election.

Hone and dotcom have made a mockery of our election process and reinforce what a failure MMP is.

[Robert Taylor]

I'd really like to just laugh at this, but our court system realises Kims assets and the Yankie film makers jump in and try and cut off the money supply by attempting to freeze his assets, f##kin parasites that they are. They are spending more dollars attacking Kim than they did on the persons responsible for bringing down the tower's still economically the film industry is much more important.

I largely dislike Americans as much as I hate the unworkable folly of socialism. But it would be wonderful to see him fed to the wolves. No more than what that rambunctious prick deserves

[Kickaha]

The Germans had Western Samoa as a colony between roughly 1900 and 1914. While they appeared to be Greeks bearing gifts with the construction of buildings and infrastructure being put in place they were in fact channeling all of the fat from new industry back to the Fatherland. So a benevolent occupier is not really an apt term for their occupation during this period.
After they came second in WW1 the colony was confiscated from them and given to NZ ( Silly us! )
Troops of the New Zealand Expeditionary Force invaded it in 1914 and occupied it until 1920, then NZ governed it until independence

[Robert Taylor]

And Mana have a racist fuckwit for a leader that keeps his people down trodden and has now been paid off by the whitey right he so vehemently detests.
The internet party has now brought and paid for seats in the next government. If you think that is good politics then god help us all.

All in sundry has bent over and kissed dotcoms arse all in the hope they might get some money and dotcom hopes with all this spending it might keep him here and not get extradited back to the USA.
(I would have thought you would hate any party that buys seats, guess it's just the right you hate)

Why else would he back both banks and brown in the akl mayoralty campaign?
He is running out of options, he tried the right and got arrested he tried the left and found they are a bunch of failures linked together (mind you they were quick to distance themselves from him) so now is is off to the looney fringe hoping they might be king maker in the next election.

Hone and dotcom have made a mockery of our election process and reinforce what a failure MMP is.

Well said MMP Mickey Mouse Politics A system that may allow total morons like John Minto into Parliament

[Robert Taylor]

Troops of the New Zealand Expeditionary Force invaded it in 1914 and occupied it until 1920, then NZ governed it until independence


Thanks for the clarification. I think it may have been better to have left it to Germany!

[Shaun Harris]

MMP hahahaha the biggest waste of money going on in this country, come on, how many fuk tards does it take to run this little island

[Robert Taylor]

MMP hahahaha the biggest waste of money going on in this country, come on, how many fuk tards does it take to run this little island

If we only allowed businessmen over the age of 40 to have the vote that would fix a lot of things. Women, union activists and schoolteachers very definitely excluded.

[Shaun Harris]

If we only allowed businessmen over the age of 40 to have the vote that would fix a lot of things. Women, union activists and schoolteachers very definitely excluded.





Haha I am not that RED necked yet, but getting there

[Katman]

edit: On the bright side, I'm thinking it's only robbing voters from Labour and Greens (maybe only Greens?)

I'm taking that you're not a Greens fan.

I'd ask you though, which party conducts themselves with more dignity and a greater sense of the serious nature of the job they have been given in the house, than the Greens? While the MPs of the other major parties alternate between displays of obscene arrogance and acting like children in a sandpit, the Greens have quietly gone about forming sound policy and presenting it in a totally professional manner.

Long gone are the days where the Greens could be passed off simply as sandal wearing hippies.

I hope to see their support sky-rocket in this years election.

[mashman]

If we only allowed businessmen over the age of 40 to have the vote that would fix a lot of things. Women, union activists and schoolteachers very definitely excluded.

bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa... it'd speed things up though. I'm in.

[Oakie]

The sooner we have politicians standing up to this never ending grievance industry rort the better.

You won't like the first point of Mana's treaty settlement policy then:


Treaty Settlements Policy

The purpose of the Treaty settlements system is to justly settle Crown breaches of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. A suite of policy changes is needed to ensure claims lodged under the Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975 are settled more justly.

MANA policy priorities are to:

Remove the 2014 deadline for lodging historical claims with the Waitangi Tribunal to better enable iwi with such claims to properly research and state their cases.

Increase resourcing of the Waitangi Tribunal so that it is better able to hear and expedite the settlement of claims in a fair and timely manner.

Expand the jurisdiction of the Waitangi Tribunal to make binding recommendations in certain cases.

Increase the value of settlements to iwi by introducing a graduated system of settlement rather than a one-off settlement package. This would replace the current “full-and-final” settlement system and would enable the Crown to justly settle claims over time.

Establish an independent Treaty of Waitangi Commission, where the Commissioner is elected by Māori voters at general elections. A key role of the Commission would be to oversee the recommendations of the Waitangi Tribunal and the negotiations of the Office of Treaty Settlements to better protect the rights of iwi claimants.

Prioritise the return of Crown owned lands including those held by State Owned Enterprises where there are proven claims over those lands in keeping with the maxim “Me riro whenua atu, me hoki whenua mai”.

Ensure that the texts of He Whakaputanga o Ngā Rangatiratanga o Niu Tireni and Te Tiriti o Waitangi are the reference points in settlement dealings between iwi and the Crown, and not the Crown’s principles of the Treaty of Waitangi.

Abolish Crown appointment of brokers and facilitators to effect settlements, and ensure iwi have the capacity to select their own leaders and appoint their own advisers without Crown interference.

Begin a process to settle the way in which political and legal power is structured in Aotearoa New Zealand. Settlement must include meaningful constitutional transformation.

[Shaun Harris]

Total fukin bollocks the lot of it, there No Maoris here, just brown skinned KIWI people. and the Maoris stole the land from human eaters anyway, so why pay a thief for stealing something when you were smart enough to outwit in the first place.

[AllanB]

Hmmmm I thought we were meant to get a vote about MMP, or did that happen and I ignored it or more likely my vote was ignored.

Internet Party - fucks sake and their main policy is what - free internet to all Maori? How hard can it be to get rid of dot-com?

[Akzle]

How hard can it be to get rid of dot-com?

i'll just phone my mate banksy and ask....

[Robert Taylor]

I'm taking that you're not a Greens fan.

I'd ask you though, which party conducts themselves with more dignity and a greater sense of the serious nature of the job they have been given in the house, than the Greens? While the MPs of the other major parties alternate between displays of obscene arrogance and acting like children in a sandpit, the Greens have quietly gone about forming sound policy and presenting it in a totally professional manner.

Long gone are the days where the Greens could be passed off simply as sandal wearing hippies.

I hope to see their support sky-rocket in this years election.

And bankrupt the country in short order yes. Cradle to the grave welfare but lets penalise everyone that is actually doing something productive. Russell Norman is a total weasel

[Robert Taylor]

total fukin bollocks the lot of it, there no maoris here, just brown skinned kiwi people. And the maoris stole the land from human eaters anyway, so why pay a thief for stealing something when you were smart enough to outwit in the first place.

right on the money

[Shaun Harris]

right on the money





No mate, that is why they still call them selves Maori, so they can stay write on the money and get this and that grant that any other tax paid or paying Kiwi cannot get

[R650R]

Well it hasn't taken long for this thread to totally degenerate into the predictable ethic group clichés...

Unfortunately the whole treaty thing is misunderstood and even us Pakeha aren't taught the full truth about it. There was some great points covered in a recent NZ geographic mag about it all.

Funny how people write off all the players in these fringe political groups but are obviously so threatened they will have enough numbers to be an influence.
It sounds as if many would prefer a pure dictatorship.
Well at least we might get some cool promo vids...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHKIh-W5oDM

[Robert Taylor]

Well it hasn't taken long for this thread to totally degenerate into the predictable ethic group clichés...

Unfortunately the whole treaty thing is misunderstood and even us Pakeha aren't taught the full truth about it. There was some great points covered in a recent NZ geographic mag about it all.

Funny how people write off all the players in these fringe political groups but are obviously so threatened they will have enough numbers to be an influence.
It sounds as if many would prefer a pure dictatorship.
Well at least we might get some cool promo vids...



Yes a right wing dictatorship is very appealing, and dont imagine for a moment that I am joking. Its time this country had a big wake up call.

[BoristheBiter]

I'm taking that you're not a Greens fan.

I'd ask you though, which party conducts themselves with more dignity and a greater sense of the serious nature of the job they have been given in the house, than the Greens? While the MPs of the other major parties alternate between displays of obscene arrogance and acting like children in a sandpit, the Greens have quietly gone about forming sound policy and presenting it in a totally professional manner.

Long gone are the days where the Greens could be passed off simply as sandal wearing hippies.

I hope to see their support sky-rocket in this years election.

I guess you don't pay to much attention to the greens then. why do you think the knob end craig was taking him to court?

They are all just as bad as each other for school ground name calling, just some get more air time than others.

[BadSarah]

Vote ALCP.

I certainly plan to

[Akzle]

Yes a right wing dictatorship is very appealing, and dont imagine for a moment that I am joking. Its time this country had a big wake up call.

see, apparently if you want radical change, you should fuck off, to where the situ already exists.
So... Off to china for you.

[awa355]

So who are the politicians that you lot regard with respect, consider to have integrity, and have trust in??:blink::blink:

[Voltaire]

70 year old political parties are old hat like marriage, religion, jobs for life, affordable houses etc, Gezz....David Cunniliffe is about 30 years too late with his idea of a working class suburb. Vote Internet:woohoo:

[unstuck]

So who are the politicians that you lot regard with respect, consider to have integrity, and have trust in??:blink::blink:

Mods, please move this comment to the jokes section. :laugh::laugh:

[awa355]

Mods, please move this comment to the jokes section. :laugh::laugh:

I almost posted this in the 'Jokes' section myself.

[Katman]

why do you think the knob end craig was taking him to court?


Because Colin Craig is a knob end. Fullstop.

I mean, seriously, is this the face of a sane man?

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[BoristheBiter]

70 year old political parties are old hat like marriage, religion, jobs for life, affordable houses etc, Gezz....David Cunniliffe is about 30 years too late with his idea of a working class suburb. Vote Internet:woohoo:

Why?
What has a German that has brought has why into politics to stop his extradition and a racist Maori know about running a country?
What things have they said they will do that makes you think this?

Would you be all folding yourselves if dotcom was Chinese?

[BoristheBiter]

Because Colin Craig is a knob end.

Fullstop.

So seeing as the greens are all complete knob ends we'll just carry on as normal then.

[Katman]

So seeing as the greens are all complete knob ends we'll just carry on as normal then.

That's priceless coming from you.

[Voltaire]

Why?
What has a German that has brought has why into politics to stop his extradition and a racist Maori know about running a country?
What things have they said they will do that makes you think this?

Would you be all folding yourselves if dotcom was Chinese?

Chinese? nearly all my neighbours are Chinese, coming to a town near you soon.:killingme

[BoristheBiter]

That's priceless coming from you.

Why? you seem to be the one with double standards.

[BoristheBiter]

Chinese? nearly all my neighbours are Chinese, coming to a town near you soon.:killingme

So answer the question or have you just jumped on the dotcom train as well and don't really know?

[Robert Taylor]

That's priceless coming from you.

But unlike you he is correct.

[Robert Taylor]

see, apparently if you want radical change, you should fuck off, to where the situ already exists.
So... Off to china for you.

That's a left wing dictatorship, in case you hadn't noticed. The wrong set of people are incarcerated.

[Robert Taylor]

Chinese? nearly all my neighbours are Chinese, coming to a town near you soon.:killingme

Yes and many part Maoris hate them because they actually have a very strong work ethic. It also dilutes attention away from the never ending Treaty top ups

[Robert Taylor]

Why?
What has a German that has brought has why into politics to stop his extradition and a racist Maori know about running a country?
What things have they said they will do that makes you think this?

Would you be all folding yourselves if dotcom was Chinese?

Ive just watched Liar Hurrah on Q and A. What an uncompromising / feminist / abrasive piece of work. I wondered if she realises that the 3 million was generated from piracy?

[oldrider]

MMP= "Maximum media participation" .... It is crap like this thread generates that feeds it! ... Internet/Mana and the media will thrive on it! :argh:

Goodbye New Zealand as we know it! :yeah: :thud:

[ellipsis]

Goodbye New Zealand as we know it! :yeah: :thud:

...if thats the NZ where just about everyone could fix a problem with a bit of eight gauge wire and the same place that had a standard of living that the rest of the world only dreamed of, and where fair was fair, and everyone had the wherewithal to be whatever they aspired to...well, if it ever existed, it disappeared decades ago...

[Robert Taylor]

1) 15% flat tax

2) Money supply heavily favouring productive enterprise / business development and therefore gainful employment. No money available for housing speculation / multiple ownership

3) Go full bore on offshore drilling and open cast mining , fracking. As long as what is chopped down etc is reinstated / regenerated and the economic benefits are heavily weighted in favour of New Zealand, its workers and citizens

4) Cap CEO salaries to acceptable rather than stupid levels

5) Get rid of the emissions trading scheme, its a crock

6) Get rid of paid parental leave, the country cannot afford it

7) Stop all treaty settlements NOW, and roll back many of the top ups

8) Abolish race based parliamentary seats

9) Ban gay marriage

10) Reinstate an Air Strike Force

11) Introduce a period of compulsory military training for all school leavers, to knock youth into shape

12 ) Raise the voting age to 30 plus

13) Raise education standards and from all the wasteful spending in other areas ( disingenuous treaty settlements etc ) plough lots of money into education and retire overseas debt quickly

14) Solve Aucklands problems and the countries problems by having a decentralisation policy. Everything DOESNT have to go to Auckland!

15) Roll back the number of civil servants, its totally disproportionate

16) Get really hard on the drug problem. Death penalty for those manufacturing and selling hard drugs.

17) Maintain our connection to the monarchy, no talk of Republics and the immense costs in running same

18) Change our flag only to positively differentiate it from the Aussie one. Keep the union flag in the corner and have a kiwi logotype

19 ) Tax everything that comes across the border, thereby removing one of the unfair impediments to running a viable business

20) Immigration, its ok but be selective, we want predominantly skilled immigrants from the EC.

Pretty much what most of listed above is at odds with the Incest Moron party

[mashman]

...if thats the NZ where just about everyone could fix a problem with a bit of eight gauge wire and the same place that had a standard of living that the rest of the world only dreamed of, and where fair was fair, and everyone had the wherewithal to be whatever they aspired to...well, if it ever existed, it disappeared decades ago...

Cannot bling apparently... Aye, that sort of life vanished a long long time ago in the UK cities.

[mashman]

1) 15% flat tax

2) Money supply heavily favouring productive enterprise / business development and therefore gainful employment. No money available for housing speculation / multiple ownership

3) Go full bore on offshore drilling and open cast mining , fracking. As long as what is chopped down etc is reinstated / regenerated and the economic benefits are heavily weighted in favour of New Zealand, its workers and citizens

4) Cap CEO salaries to acceptable rather than stupid levels

5) Get rid of the emissions trading scheme, its a crock

6) Get rid of paid parental leave, the country cannot afford it

7) Stop all treaty settlements NOW, and roll back many of the top ups

8) Abolish race based parliamentary seats

9) Ban gay marriage

10) Reinstate an Air Strike Force

11) Introduce a period of compulsory military training for all school leavers, to knock youth into shape

12 ) Raise the voting age to 30 plus

13) Raise education standards and from all the wasteful spending in other areas ( disingenuous treaty settlements etc ) plough lots of money into education and retire overseas debt quickly

14) Solve Aucklands problems and the countries problems by having a decentralisation policy. Everything DOESNT have to go to Auckland!

15) Roll back the number of civil servants, its totally disproportionate

16) Get really hard on the drug problem. Death penalty for those manufacturing and selling hard drugs.

17) Maintain our connection to the monarchy, no talk of Republics and the immense costs in running same

18) Change our flag only to positively differentiate it from the Aussie one. Keep the union flag in the corner and have a kiwi logotype

19 ) Tax everything that comes across the border, thereby removing one of the unfair impediments to running a viable business

20) Immigration, its ok but be selective, we want predominantly skilled immigrants from the EC.

Pretty much what most of listed above is at odds with the Incest Moron party

I can see why you respected Maggie. I don't see the removal of freedoms as prudent policy.

[Akzle]

1) 15% flat tax

2) Money supply heavily favouring productive enterprise / business development and therefore gainful employment. No money available for housing speculation / multiple ownership

3) Go full bore on offshore drilling and open cast mining , fracking. As long as what is chopped down etc is reinstated / regenerated and the economic benefits are heavily weighted in favour of New Zealand, its workers and citizens

4) Cap CEO salaries to acceptable rather than stupid levels

5) Get rid of the emissions trading scheme, its a crock

6) Get rid of paid parental leave, the country cannot afford it

7) Stop all treaty settlements NOW, and roll back many of the top ups

8) Abolish race based parliamentary seats

9) Ban gay marriage

10) Reinstate an Air Strike Force

11) Introduce a period of compulsory military training for all school leavers, to knock youth into shape

12 ) Raise the voting age to 30 plus

13) Raise education standards and from all the wasteful spending in other areas ( disingenuous treaty settlements etc ) plough lots of money into education and retire overseas debt quickly

14) Solve Aucklands problems and the countries problems by having a decentralisation policy. Everything DOESNT have to go to Auckland!

15) Roll back the number of civil servants, its totally disproportionate

16) Get really hard on the drug problem. Death penalty for those manufacturing and selling hard drugs.

17) Maintain our connection to the monarchy, no talk of Republics and the immense costs in running same

18) Change our flag only to positively differentiate it from the Aussie one. Keep the union flag in the corner and have a kiwi logotype

19 ) Tax everything that comes across the border, thereby removing one of the unfair impediments to running a viable business

20) Immigration, its ok but be selective, we want predominantly skilled immigrants from the EC.

Pretty much what most of listed above is at odds with the Incest Moron party

i will buy you a one way ticket, anywhere in the world, if you dont come back.

[Katman]

Just noticed on the Conservative Party website that they are asking for donations to help with the law suit against Russell Norman.

It must be terrible for a millionaire to contemplate funding his own court action from his own pocket.

[Robert Taylor]

i will buy you a one way ticket, anywhere in the world, if you dont come back.

You better buy a few then, to include the many people that will agree with many of those points

[Katman]

You better buy a few then, to include the many people that will agree with many of those points

I agree with about 25% of your points.

As far as the rest go, I think I'll chip in for the ticket.

[Robert Taylor]

Just noticed on the Conservative Party website that they are asking for donations to help with the law suit against Russell Norman.

It must be terrible for a millionaire to contemplate funding his own court action from his own pocket.

And if he completely funded it you would have something to say just as condemning, no doubt. Im willing to bet his own fortune is a lot cleaner than that of the obese Hun. All power to Colin Craig, there needs to be more strength on the right to pull National in a rightwards direction

[Katman]

And if he completely funded it you would have something to say just as condemning, no doubt.

You are defending the indefensible Robert.

If the guy wants to take Russell Norman to court he should do so with his own money.

I suppose Tony Abbott's another hero of yours.

[Robert Taylor]

You are defending the indefensible Robert.

If the guy wants to take Russell Norman to court he should do so with his own money.

I suppose Tony Abbott's another hero of yours.

Yes Tony is! Of course he was handed a poisoned chalice after 6 years of the the milky bar kid and the welsh witch milky bar kid part 2, both of who helped to comprehensively destroy the Aussie economy. And we have idiots here espousing the same policies

[Katman]

Yes Tony is!

You might like this Robert.

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[Robert Taylor]

You might like this Robert.



Yes indeed, certainly more appealing than Kevun Ruddiculous. It'll take a few years but he will get the Aussie economy back on track after paying for Labours massive overspend

[Katman]

Yes indeed, certainly more appealing than Kevun Ruddiculous. It'll take a few years but he will get the Aussie economy back on track after paying for Labours massive overspend

I think it more likely that Tony Abbott will fail to see out a full term.

[Robert Taylor]

I think it more likely that Tony Abbott will fail to see out a full term.

Its amazing to see all of the left leaners grizzling because the tap has been turned off and there aint cash being handed around. Because there isnt any.

Its also very noticeable that the economies that reined in excess spending when the recession hit ( ours and then a little later the UK ) are now coming out of it rather better than the socialist poisoned economies who are in denial and just kept spending money they dont have.

Have you ever wondered why a top and high paid sportsman like Silvain Guintoli lives in London rather than his native France? ( aside from being married to an English girl ) Because if he lived in France Hollande and his moronic Government would be taxing him at 70%. Certainly thats an excellent way of scaring away the tall poppies, many who may be businessmen who will say ''bugger you we will move to an economy that embraces business enterprise and the people that we employ''. Little wonder that post Sarkozy France has now become an economic basket case.

[Katman]

Its amazing to see all of the left leaners grizzling because the tap has been turned off and there aint cash being handed around. Because there isnt any.


And all the while, Tony Abbott makes sure that all his rich mates just get richer.

[BoristheBiter]

And all the while, Tony Abbott makes sure that all his rich mates just get richer.

:yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::y awn::yawn::yawn:

Catch cry of the left since ages ago.
Time you wankers come up with something new, especially when half the left are just as rich, just ask Cunliffe.

[Voltaire]

You better buy a few then, to include the many people that will agree with many of those points

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Vladimir_Putin-6.jpg

Come to Moscow Comrade.

[Swoop]

1) 15% flat tax

2) Money supply heavily favouring productive enterprise / business development and therefore gainful employment. No money available for housing speculation / multiple ownership

3) Go full bore on offshore drilling and open cast mining , fracking. As long as what is chopped down etc is reinstated / regenerated and the economic benefits are heavily weighted in favour of New Zealand, its workers and citizens

4) Cap CEO salaries to acceptable rather than stupid levels

5) Get rid of the emissions trading scheme, its a crock

6) Get rid of paid parental leave, the country cannot afford it

7) Stop all treaty settlements NOW, and roll back many of the top ups

8) Abolish race based parliamentary seats

9) Ban gay marriage

10) Reinstate an Air Strike Force

11) Introduce a period of compulsory military training for all school leavers, to knock youth into shape

12 ) Raise the voting age to 30 plus

13) Raise education standards and from all the wasteful spending in other areas ( disingenuous treaty settlements etc ) plough lots of money into education and retire overseas debt quickly

14) Solve Aucklands problems and the countries problems by having a decentralisation policy. Everything DOESNT have to go to Auckland!

15) Roll back the number of civil servants, its totally disproportionate

16) Get really hard on the drug problem. Death penalty for those manufacturing and selling hard drugs.

17) Maintain our connection to the monarchy, no talk of Republics and the immense costs in running same

18) Change our flag only to positively differentiate it from the Aussie one. Keep the union flag in the corner and have a kiwi logotype

19 ) Tax everything that comes across the border, thereby removing one of the unfair impediments to running a viable business

20) Immigration, its ok but be selective, we want predominantly skilled immigrants from the EC.

Pretty much what most of listed above is at odds with the Incest Moron party
Just one policy missing. A driver education system that is worth something, gets good drivers onto our roads and shit one's off of them.
:niceone:

[Robert Taylor]

:yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::y awn::yawn::yawn:

Catch cry of the left since ages ago.
Time you wankers come up with something new, especially when half the left are just as rich, just ask Cunliffe.

And that makes them even bigger hypocrites!

[Katman]

:yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::y awn::yawn::yawn:

Catch cry of the left since ages ago.
Time you wankers come up with something new, especially when half the left are just as rich, just ask Cunliffe.

Does anyone in the Greens party appear on New Zealand's rich list?

[Akzle]

You better buy a few then, to include the many people that will agree with many of those points

what you're advocating, if i catch your meaning, is a system chosen by old wealthy white gits, for the benefit of said gits (and especially gews), at the detriment of all else, to be enforced against all non-old-wealthy-white-gits.
stop me if you've heard this one before....


*i'll charter a ship, for you and the homeboys.

[Robert Taylor]

what you're advocating, if i catch your meaning, is a system chosen by old wealthy white gits, for the benefit of said gits (and especially gews), at the detriment of all else, to be enforced against all non-old-wealthy-white-gits.
stop me if you've heard this one before....


*i'll charter a ship, for you and the homeboys.

Self made white and mixed race gits yes, that are doing something that is productive for the country but with a practical and sustainable social conscience yes, and a disdain for those that are deliberately improvident and expect everything on a plate, YES.

[Robert Taylor]

Does anyone in the Greens party appear on New Zealand's rich list?

Wealth from cash crops is not usually declared

[Katman]

Wealth from cash crops is not usually declared

See there you go again Robert - making the mistake of still seeing the Greens as nothing more that sandal wearing stoner hippies.

Most of them would probably put your dress sense to shame.

[oldrider]

:yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::y awn::yawn::yawn:

Catch cry of the left since ages ago.
Time you wankers come up with something new, especially when half the left are just as rich, just ask Cunliffe.

Don't forget Lila Harre (the Jandal heiress) is on the rich list and lives in rich area too! :blip:

[Akzle]

Self made white and mixed race gits yes, that are doing something that is productive for the country but with a practical and sustainable social conscience yes, and a disdain for those that are deliberately improvident and expect everything on a plate, YES.

the sad thing is that you probably managed that with a straight face, worse that you genuinely believe it.

noone's self made. that's like masturbatory immaculate conception.
gew made, or at least, gew facilitated. you didn't invent money. that you have any is merely a matter of convenience for someone else's banking.
that you've acquired it through the thoughtless exploit of resources, human and nor, worse that you don't see or acknowledge it, is all the evidence i need to want you on a boat.

your definition of "practicality" and "social conscience" are VASTLY different from mine, and, i expect, a large portion of the voting public, which is why your cracker-gew nat dictato-cunts didn't get to run solo.

a fucken air force? srsly? bet you were foaming at the nuts to get in to iraq along side commandant bush jr, innit?

[Woodman]

And all the while, Tony Abbott makes sure that all his rich mates just get richer.

Well they have money so they invest their money and hopefully they do get richer. They ain't gonna invest it to lose it are they.:weird:

Or is that what the leftys would rather happen to the rich peoples money?

[Katman]

Well they have money so they invest their money and hopefully they do get richer. They ain't gonna invest it to lose it are they.:weird:

Or is that what the leftys would rather happen to the rich peoples money?

The issue over the Tasman is more to do with the government giving tax breaks to the wealthy while charging the poor more to just get by.

I mean, Tony Abbott's daughter can get a $60,000 scholarship while Tony ensures every other student faces a future of mounting debt.

[BoristheBiter]

Does anyone in the Greens party appear on New Zealand's rich list?

Maybe that's why they aren't in power? They clearly have no economic sense as their answer to everything is just "print more money".

But getting back to the question, on the list is only what only 10 people, so most people aren't on there.
But I think Laila Harré is and she was a green candidate.


See there you go again Robert - making the mistake of still seeing the Greens as nothing more that sandal wearing stoner hippies.

Most of them would probably put your dress sense to shame.

Metiria Turei does but then I don't spend $2000 dollars on a jacket.

[BoristheBiter]

the sad thing is that you probably managed that with a straight face, worse that you genuinely believe it.

noone's self made. that's like masturbatory immaculate conception.
gew made, or at least, gew facilitated. you didn't invent money. that you have any is merely a matter of convenience for someone else's banking.
that you've acquired it through the thoughtless exploit of resources, human and nor, worse that you don't see or acknowledge it, is all the evidence i need to want you on a boat.

your definition of "practicality" and "social conscience" are VASTLY different from mine, and, i expect, a large portion of the voting public, which is why your cracker-gew nat dictato-cunts didn't get to run solo.

a fucken air force? srsly? bet you were foaming at the nuts to get in to iraq along side commandant bush jr, innit?

:tugger::tugger::tugger::tugger::tugger::tugger::t ugger::tugger::tugger:

I'm just happy that most disagree with you.

[Katman]

But getting back to the question, on the list is only what only 10 people, so most people aren't on there.
But I think Laila Harré is and she was a green candidate.


You don't look very hard, do you?

I took all of 30 seconds to find a list of the 100 richest people in New Zealand.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/rich-list-2013/rich-list-glance-wealth-order

[Katman]

a fucken air force? srsly? bet you were foaming at the nuts to get in to iraq along side commandant bush jr, innit?

And that strike air force that Robert wants (read, one squadron - it's all we could hope to afford anyway) would probably take no more than a couple of days to totally destroy if someone seriously wanted to invade New Zealand.

Waste of money, much?

[Robert Taylor]

Yes but it would send out a signal that we are not freeloading off the Australians for regional defence, which we very much are at the moment. That the horror woman that we had running the country for 9 painful years got rid of it is a huge crime. Downscale the army yes, but not the Air Force ( or indeed the Navy ) when we have so much coastal and ocean area to monitor.

Freeloading is an appropriate word given that so many Kiwis subscribe to it. The infuriating thing about socialists is they are so convinced their way is the only way, when demonstrably it isnt. Gordon Brown is a notorious example of massive socialist failure, look at the mess David Cameron and George Osborne are having to deal with. Probably an even bigger economic mess than Margaret Thatcher had to deal with following Wilsons / Callaghans massive failure.

[Akzle]

Yes but it would send out a signal that we are not freeloading off the Australians for regional defence, which we very much are at the moment.

defend against what??
camel jockeys with ak47s?

**newsflash** git, camels can't swim and arabs aren't too keen on it either.

any viable (or likely (think: gew paylords)) threat would have no issue taking out any air force in your budget.

but you're right, think of the economic boom, if only we invaded another country and had to engineer and build all our shit here with all those resources we could haul out of the ground, melt the west coast beaches for iron, feed gews gravel and take the gunpowder they shit for all the boolits! so much profit to be made at war!

[Katman]

Yes but it would send out a signal that we are not freeloading off the Australians for regional defence, which we very much are at the moment. That the horror woman that we had running the country for 9 painful years got rid of it is a huge crime. Downscale the army yes, but not the Air Force ( or indeed the Navy ) when we have so much coastal and ocean area to monitor.


A strike air force is not a lot of good for patrolling New Zealand's coastal and ocean area Robert. You do understand the meaning of the word 'strike' don't you?

In the event of an invasion, our Army would be our greatest asset as it would be guerrilla warfare that would become our foremost form of defense.

A 'strike' air force would be worth nothing.

[Robert Taylor]

defend against what??
camel jockeys with ak47s?

**newsflash** git, camels can't swim and arabs aren't too keen on it either.

any viable (or likely (think: gew paylords)) threat would have no issue taking out any air force in your budget.

but you're right, think of the economic boom, if only we invaded another country and had to engineer and build all our shit here with all those resources we could haul out of the ground, melt the west coast beaches for iron, feed gews gravel and take the gunpowder they shit for all the boolits! so much profit to be made at war!

You hold your own ignorance ( and lack of the lessons of history ) in very high regard

[BoristheBiter]

You don't look very hard, do you?

I took all of 30 seconds to find a list of the 100 richest people in New Zealand.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/rich-list-2013/rich-list-glance-wealth-order

I never looked. That's how high a response your post deserved.

[Akzle]

You hold your own ignorance ( and lack of the lessons of history ) in very high regard

you're right. every one is totally learning from history.
explain to me the last 3 recessions, please....


if i've learned anything, it's that old white gits making decisions usually fucks some shit up that was otherwise not fucked up.

[Robert Taylor]

A strike air force is not a lot of good for patrolling New Zealand's coastal and ocean area Robert. You do understand the meaning of the word 'strike' don't you?

In the event of an invasion, our Army would be our greatest asset as it would be guerrilla warfare that would become our foremost form of defense.

A 'strike' air force would be worth nothing.

A few shots fired by an A4 ground attack fighter across the bow of an errant trawler illegally fishing back in 76 / 77 had the desired effect. Where verbal warnings had failed. You never know when you need such capability and in an increasingly dangerous world who is to say we don't need at least some minimal deterrence capability?

[Robert Taylor]

you're right. every one is totally learning from history.
explain to me the last 3 recessions, please....


if i've learned anything, it's that old white gits making decisions usually fucks some shit up that was otherwise not fucked up.

Yes, unchecked speculative ( rather than productive ) capitalism allied with free spending Governments

[Akzle]

A few shots fired by an A4 ground attack fighter across the bow of an errant trawler illegally fishing back in 76 / 77 had the desired effect. Where verbal warnings had failed. You never know when you need such capability and in an increasingly dangerous world who is to say we don't need at least some minimal deterrence capability?

you're right. the nation should totally invest in a geostationary defense sattelite with lasers and shit. space defenses man, space defense. gotta be forward thinking about this shit, those errant fishermen are bad news, B-A-D news.
i mean, fuck, they might have caught some of your fish!!!! zomg nooooo!,
and then you couldn't sell the fish to someone as quota, no profit! and after that it's all down hill isn't it!



Yes, unchecked speculative ( rather than productive ) capitalism allied with free spending Governments

so you accept that the problem is the governments. who are mostly old white gits, and profiteers, who are usually old white gits (gews, too)
but,
somehow,
the next lot of old white gits is going to make it all better?

[Robert Taylor]

you're right. the nation should totally invest in a geostationary defense sattelite with lasers and shit. space defenses man, space defense. gotta be forward thinking about this shit, those errant fishermen are bad news, B-A-D news.
i mean, fuck, they might have caught some of your fish!!!! zomg nooooo!,
and then you couldn't sell the fish to someone as quota, no profit! and after that it's all down hill isn't it!




so you accept that the problem is the governments. who are mostly old white gits, and profiteers, who are usually old white gits (gews, too)
but,
somehow,
the next lot of old white gits is going to make it all better?

Hey I just saw a nearing middle age white Aussie git on the news who wants to cripple dairying and the communities that feed off it. He knows that the term ''carbon tax'' is unpopular in his country so he has repackaged its name as a ''pollution tax.'' He is himself an imported pollutant, just as toxic as the INCEST MORON party.

[R650R]

what you're advocating, if i catch your meaning, is a system chosen by old wealthy white gits, for the benefit of said gits (and especially gews), at the detriment of all else, to be enforced against all non-old-wealthy-white-gits.
stop me if you've heard this one before....


*i'll charter a ship, for you and the homeboys.

Nice :) Well said.


Yes but it would send out a signal that we are not freeloading off the Australians for regional defence, which we very much are at the moment. That the horror woman that we had running the country for 9 painful years got rid of it is a huge crime. Downscale the army yes, but not the Air Force ( or indeed the Navy ) when we have so much coastal and ocean area to monitor.

Freeloading is an appropriate word given that so many Kiwis subscribe to it. The infuriating thing about socialists is they are so convinced their way is the only way, when demonstrably it isnt. Gordon Brown is a notorious example of massive socialist failure, look at the mess David Cameron and George Osborne are having to deal with. Probably an even bigger economic mess than Margaret Thatcher had to deal with following Wilsons / Callaghans massive failure.

Spending a fair amount of time in the air cadets when younger and also previously wanting to join the Airforce I was gutted when Helen axed skyhawks. Now the teachers don't have to run their cakestalls, just spend four hourts on phone everyday to NEVAPAY trying to sort their wages...

But I've seen the light since then, really no offence to anyone involved but our airforce was a joke really in terms of practical offensive or defensive capability for a number of reasons.
Firstly if you are doing proper maintenance and training rotations you need many squadrons of aircraft to have an effective force properly mission ready. And tehn factor in combat losses after first few missions... A couple dozen skyhawks parked out back like tui crates waiting for a party is actually a risk to the crews themselves. You only have to look at what the yanks pour intot heir training regimes and they are still not invincible.

And who are we going to strike or stop from striking??? In a world of economic sanctions and treatys a nation bordered by oceans is not really at any real risk.
About the only real targets our A4's were useful for would be if your cousin Iti and co actually were running real training camps in Ureweras.

We've probably saved kiwi lives by ditching the jets as murphys law and stats we would have prob lost a pilot or two in training accidents or airshow disasters in the time passed since then.

If anything we could retrofit tomahawk cruise missles to out frigates for some strike capability but just as expensive as jets. I don't know why with our kiwi know how we haven't got into the guided weapons market and develop our own stuff. Our colonial masters in UK should be able to get us a foot in the door and we already have the GPS guidance chips with that kiwi company whatstheriname...

[Akzle]

INCEST MORON party.

yes we all read it the first time love.
It wasnt relevant then and it isnt now, but i bet gives your cronies a fine chortle, quite.

[ellipsis]

... oi cant seem to multiple bling Akzle...it's a fukn conspiwacy...Wobert, yer dweamin',
mate...

[Robbo]

Hey I just saw a nearing middle age white Aussie git on the news who wants to cripple dairying and the communities that feed off it. He knows that the term ''carbon tax'' is unpopular in his country so he has repackaged its name as a ''pollution tax.'' He is himself an imported pollutant, just as toxic as the INCEST MORON party.

Here is a pic of that smelly Ocker.

[Robert Taylor]

Of course the socialist pacifists on this forum miss an important point. Australias security is also our security. We were making an important contribution and playing our part in assisting that regional security by having a detachment of strike aircraft deployed in Australia. Prior to it being callously removed because of some shonky and emotive pacifist motive.

[Ocean1]

I don't know why with our kiwi know how we haven't got into the guided weapons market and develop our own stuff.

I got that.

http://aardvark.co.nz/pjet/cruise.shtml

[ellipsis]

...we do have a large and infinitely varied shape and size, quantity of pointy sticks, as a bit of a fall back measure...:sunny:

[R650R]

I got that.

http://aardvark.co.nz/pjet/cruise.shtml

Oh yes old Bruce from Tokoroa, poor bugger has had his wings clipped by the bigwigs at RC planes nz/CAA or whoever they call themselves.
His youtube vids are great for RC stuff.


Of course the socialist pacifists on this forum miss an important point. Australias security is also our security. We were making an important contribution and playing our part in assisting that regional security by having a detachment of strike aircraft deployed in Australia. Prior to it being callously removed because of some shonky and emotive pacifist motive.

I'm no socialist pacifist but really come on, Australia is plenty capable of defending itself in the short term and heavy backup from USA wouldn't be far away.
And if anyone invades Australia it would have to be a major player which means WW3 and game over planet earth anyway...

https://russiandefpolicy.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/ss-25-topol-photo-ria-novosti-sergey-guneyev.jpg

[Akzle]

Of course the socialist pacifists on this forum miss an important point. Australias security is also our security. We were making an important contribution and playing our part in assisting that regional security by having a detachment of strike aircraft deployed in Australia. Prior to it being callously removed because of some shonky and emotive pacifist motive.

youre right. Since scrapping the whirly birds, the country has been taken over by damned dirty apes!

But also. The govt should totally tongue the ass of capitalist war mongering gews.

[Swoop]

If anything we could retrofit tomahawk cruise missles to out frigates for some strike capability
NZ hasn't spent anything on upgrading the ANZAC frigate's capability since they were built. Tight fisted retards in parliament saw to that.
We have only just seen positive movement to upgrade systems and capabilities aboard the two frigates, but I bet some Lunatic Fringe party members will want that cancelled so they can fund more "organic, hemp-based sandals for fur seals" campaign.

[Akzle]

NZ hasn't spent anything on upgrading the ANZAC frigate's capability since they were built. Tight fisted retards in parliament saw to that.
We have only just seen positive movement to upgrade systems and capabilities aboard the two frigates, but I bet some Lunatic Fringe party members will want that cancelled so they can fund more "organic, hemp-based sandals for fur seals" campaign.

well, theres only 50 maui dolphins left..., fuken boat fuckers, fukin up dolphins and shit.

[Robert Taylor]

Oh yes old Bruce from Tokoroa, poor bugger has had his wings clipped by the bigwigs at RC planes nz/CAA or whoever they call themselves.
His youtube vids are great for RC stuff.



I'm no socialist pacifist but really come on, Australia is plenty capable of defending itself in the short term and heavy backup from USA wouldn't be far away.
And if anyone invades Australia it would have to be a major player which means WW3 and game over planet earth anyway...



You totally missed my point about us effectively freeloading off the Aussies for our regional defence, and not doing our share

[Robert Taylor]

well, theres only 50 maui dolphins left..., fuken boat fuckers, fukin up dolphins and shit.

Sadly, there are about 50000 Communists left

[R650R]

You totally missed my point about us effectively freeloading off the Aussies for our regional defence, and not doing our share

I didn't miss it, its not even a valid point. We're practically little above third world status economically, it makes no sense to cripple our economy just to keep up with the Jones across the ditch.
We already commit our SAS to more highly dangerous missions than we need too so to say our nation is like Uncle Buck living in the backyard sleepout is silly.
Not to mention our part in Five eyes and also practically being a defacto early warning station for Australia's eastern seaboard.
Right not we kill far more of ourselves through bad driving and bad eating habits. it would be nice to have some sexy F-18's afterburning across the sky but we'll save more lives with money spent on better healthcare, education and fixing roads.

http://cdn.splitsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/uncle-buck.jpg

[oldrider]

Sadly, there are about 50000 Communists left

Don't forget that a vast majority of them are disfunctional ... sorta like a low sperm count! :rofl:

[pritch]

How long before he becomes Hone Dotmaoridotnz?

I'd be even happier if he became honi.com.au

[pritch]

1)
5) Get rid of the emissions trading scheme, its a crock



You can get that one by voting Green.

[Robert Taylor]

I didn't miss it, its not even a valid point. We're practically little above third world status economically, it makes no sense to cripple our economy just to keep up with the Jones across the ditch.
We already commit our SAS to more highly dangerous missions than we need too so to say our nation is like Uncle Buck living in the backyard sleepout is silly.
Not to mention our part in Five eyes and also practically being a defacto early warning station for Australia's eastern seaboard.
Right not we kill far more of ourselves through bad driving and bad eating habits. it would be nice to have some sexy F-18's afterburning across the sky but we'll save more lives with money spent on better healthcare, education and fixing roads.



That same base argument was doubtless in vogue right up to 07/12/1941. What we have wasted on treaty settlements would have been better spent in those important areas ( health , education )and retiring debt. In terms of the health budget it should be strictly user pays for those who have self inflicted their health issues from smoking, drugs and drink driving etc.

In the end event from our collective voting we will get the Government we deserve. If we collectively vote on populist pretence and get a motley and ultimately incohesive collection of the left then we will deserve it. When the economy massively goes tits up because of same then we will deserve the consequences of that choice.

[Robert Taylor]

You can get that one by voting Green.

No Pritch, you get it repackaged and renamed.

[Robert Taylor]

I'd be even happier if he became honi.com.au

A website address from North Korea would be a more preferable demographic disposition for that moron

[Voltaire]

Say the BroCom party got a seat, I'm guessing JK would not want them to form a Govt ......
Unless of course that gave labour/Greens a chance to do it..... combinations are endless.:rolleyes:
I can see the yoof voting for them....maybe backed up by a like Facebook campaign.

[oldrider]

Say the BroCom party got a seat, I'm guessing JK would not want them to form a Govt ......
Unless of course that gave labour/Greens a chance to do it..... combinations are endless.:rolleyes:
I can see the yoof voting for them....maybe backed up by a like Facebook campaign.

When one expresses opposition to something like the "Dot.Com/Mana/communist" trilogy the natural asumption for the average Kiwi is that one supports status quo!

For me nothing could be further from the truth!

It is the fact that current government is simply the best choice (IMO) of anything that is currently realistically on offer!

I.E. The best of a bad bunch!

There is a lot of water to go under the bridge before the latest trilogy offereing becomes a serious stable option for any control of the treasury benches!

They will probably stir the emotions of the disenchanted and disinfranchised voters enough to maybe cause even a bit of an upset but then their star will faid.

They may well be able to use the new broom and media attention to good early effect but the diversity of their alliance will IMHO do more to eventually undermine it!

My prediction is that after an initial flurry of enthusiasm that they will self destruct! :kick::kick::kick:

[R650R]

Whooop, bring it on Laila.... its all on in helensville.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11300974

[Shaun Harris]

NZ is now a country where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer simple as that sadly to say. our money hungry only business leaders have done this to our country but they are fine in there wealth

[Naki Rat]

No Pritch, you get it repackaged and renamed.You forgot that it is redesigned, to actually work.

[Shaun Harris]

I didn't miss it, its not even a valid point. We're practically little above third world status economically, it makes no sense to cripple our economy just to keep up with the Jones across the ditch.
We already commit our SAS to more highly dangerous missions than we need too so to say our nation is like Uncle Buck living in the backyard sleepout is silly.
Not to mention our part in Five eyes and also practically being a defacto early warning station for Australia's eastern seaboard.
Right not we kill far more of ourselves through bad driving and bad eating habits. it would be nice to have some sexy F-18's afterburning across the sky but we'll save more lives with money spent on better healthcare, education and fixing roads.










Man, our SAS had to be saved of a mountain a few years ago by proffessionals, what then hell is our army gunna be able to defend




Hitcher, I only posted what is still on here, what are you talking about man?