John Banks guilty

[Shaun Harris]

hahaha could not have happened to a nicer WANKER. Man would he get a severe arse rapeing if he got time:msn-wink:

[Oakie]

I've never liked the guy either. For me it was always 'Banks, rhymes with wanks'. He just never struck me as being genuine about anything he said.

I doubt that he'll do time though. It's not like he defrauded anyone or hurt anyone. I mean, show me a victim of his crime ... (apart from Cum Dot Kim who thought he had bought a friend).

[admenk]

Who'd of thought he was guilty eh....

[AllanB]

He will get a modest fine at the most. No time.

[Swoop]

He will get a modest fine at the most. No time.
He'll pay by cheque. Made out anonymously... in two payments of equal amounts.

[awa355]

According to one news source he can keep his job as an MP untill the end of the year. Apparently being found guilty doesn't mean you are convicted untill sentencing? Guess integrity isn't an essential part of a mp's make up. :lol::lol:

[Akzle]

hahaha could not have happened to a nicer WANKER. Man would he get a severe arse rapeing if he got time:msn-wink:

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old white jew cunt... he'll be convicted and discharged to his fucking yacht, just like all the other old white cunts that end up at caught in front of their golf buddy jewdge mates....

meanwhile, dark skinned folk get 3-5 for knocking off the corner dairy.

nod and smile fuckers. nod and smile.
and vote.

[Erelyes]

Proclaims innocence outside the courtroom post verdict.

I guess we can't expect someone like that to man up and admit fault.

[Akzle]

Who'd of thought he was guilty eh....

*have.
who. would. *have. thought.

do they stop teaching english south of fucking hamilton or something.

[scumdog]

hahahahahahahahahahahahah

old white jew cunt... he'll be convicted and discharged to his fucking yacht, just like all the other old white cunts that end up at caught in front of their golf buddy jewdge mates....

meanwhile, dark skinned folk get 3-5 for knocking off the corner dairy.

nod and smile fuckers. nod and smile.
and vote.

Hence why it pays to be an old white jew cunt for the win!!:banana:

[Akzle]

Proclaims innocence outside the courtroom post verdict.

I guess we can't expect someone like that to man up and admit fault.

for all you know, he could be innocent.

[admenk]

*have.
who. would. *have. thought.

do they stop teaching english south of fucking hamilton or something.

just cos you can't speak proper like wot I does

[Akzle]

Hence why it pays to be an old white jew cunt for the win!!:banana:

depends. i get by alright without,

and even OWJCs have to play by their rules.

[Shaun Harris]

nah he will not get time nor but fuked dam it all. Always hated the fukin weasel. Loved how he nealy O so many times started crying though over the years

[oldrider]

Like him or not it is "custom and practice" by politicians in NZ for decades - me thinks he will get a change of verdict on appeal!

IMHO there was never going to be a different verdict from this judge!

I would hazard a guess that almost every politician since WW2 could be backtracked and found guilty of the same thing.

Banks has never smoked my tyres but if you take the time to read about him you will probably change your tune about his sincerity.

The fat German saint has bought himself a consessionary safety valve against extradition for the moment, he will need to spend large to swing the election though!

Then again shit happens! :Oops:

[Bikemad]

like father like son............but i probably would have got on ok with his old man

[Katman]

I guess we can't expect someone like that to man up and admit fault.

If he was prone to swearing he'd probably say......

"Fucking cagers".

[pete376403]

Seems awfully convenient for the govt that sentencing will not happen until the day after parliament rises. Until then banks is only guilty, not convicted, so gets to remain in Parliament, assisting in propping up the Nats.

I wonder if someone had a word to the judge. I doubt if most regular crims get treated with such leniency.

[R650R]

His autobiography a worthwhile read, he's had an interesting life and upbringing for sure.
Should a ditched the suit and rocked up to court on his Harley.
Used to find his Saturday talkback show worth a listen, some good humour at times...
But yeah he dug a hole over these donations.
The bigger issue is should we let these parties spend so much brainwashing us with their propaganda and hollow promises, to me that's bigger than a few backroom deals...

[Erelyes]

If he was prone to swearing he'd probably say......

"Fucking cagers".

As opposed to.... 'Sorry mate, I didn't see you'

[JimO]

old white jew cunt... he'll be convicted and discharged to his fucking yacht, just like all the other old white cunts that end up at caught in front of their golf buddy jewdge mates....

meanwhile, dark skinned folk get 3-5 for knocking off the corner dairy.

nod and smile fuckers. nod and smile.
and vote.
yea but nobody likes dark skinned folk, to much baby murdering

[badlieutenant]

he was mayor of whangarei a few years ago. good thing he moved away or I suspect he was going to get butt fucked without going to prison. He was generally hated at the end of his term.

[Winston001]

Proclaims innocence outside the courtroom post verdict.

I guess we can't expect someone like that to man up and admit fault.

LOL like whingers here on KB?



But yes, I agree he should have simply said my bad, my responsibility and taken his medicine.

[Winston001]

Banks has never smoked my tyres but if you take the time to read about him you will probably change your tune about his sincerity.


I completely agree John.

I used to detest Banks in his National days - Minister of Police. Then I learned a few things about him. His parents were criminals and he is exactly the sort of person social workers expect to spend their lives helping.

Instead he somehow found the ability to make his own way and eventually through hard work (restaurants - which are a good way to go broke) became a wealthy man.

Moreover he actively supports the SPCA and animal rights which the media appear to overlook.

I still cannot like John Banks but do respect him. He is the Trevor Mallard of the right.

In this donations case I suspect he was unsure but convinced himself he'd done nothing wrong. We all justify our actions in hindsight.

[Winston001]

In this donations case I suspect he was unsure but convinced himself he'd done nothing wrong. We all justify our actions in hindsight.

Just spent a week observing an Employment Authority (Tribunal) case and it was obvious that there were two truths. Each side honestly believed what they were saying in sworn evidence.

"If you don't get back to work, I'll kill you" sounds threatening. Except some saw this with laughter while others who heard about it, felt threatened. Small stuff but it became twisted and poisoned.

Banks believed his accountant (a mate helping out) had the responsibility, not himself. Technically there is a legal argument in Bank's favour but he is usually a straight shooter so IMHO should have stood up and taken it.

[Winston001]

Seems awfully convenient for the govt that sentencing will not happen until the day after parliament rises. Until then banks is only guilty, not convicted, so gets to remain in Parliament, assisting in propping up the Nats.

I wonder if someone had a word to the judge. I doubt if most regular crims get treated with such leniency.

This is the judge who convicted him, right? If so why didn't the judge simply acquit?



The decision to withhold the formal entry of conviction was only reached after legal argument and it is rarer than hens teeth.

However from a public point of view we should be relieved. A hung Parliament for four months is no use to anyone. A by-election in 3 months, followed one month later by a general election is even worse. Utterly pointless.

[oldrider]

In this donations case I suspect he was unsure but convinced himself he'd done nothing wrong. We all justify our actions in hindsight.

Probably still believes the old political and advertising ploy ... repeat a lie often enough and long enough it miraculously become accepted as the truth!

Hungry fighters fight best and Fat.com (though wealthy) is hungrier and more desperate to shaw up his illicit tracks than Banksie is to defend his reputation! :facepalm:

Banksies time in an NZ jail will be shorter and more comfortable than will be Fat.com's longer stint in an American prison ... that says it all really! :blip:

[Shaun Harris]

A con man is a con man, no matter what you think about him from his book. He broke the law and lied, and the law won, shit hot for once, now piss off ya lying thief

[unstuck]

We didn't need to waste all that money on a court case, of course the fucker was guilty, any one with any kind of a brain could have picked that. Throw the shit in the sea with the rest of aucklands sewage.

[Shaun Harris]

We didn't need to waste all that money on a court case, of course the fucker was guilty, any one with any kind of a brain could have picked that. Throw the shit in the sea with the rest of aucklands sewage.



exactually man, and these wankers that waste all our tax payer dollars expect us to vote for then FFS I do not care if he pretends to be a biker, there are lots of bikers who are wankers

[mashman]

Oh dear... who would have thought that a politician would abuse their position. Fuck the fine, give him the 2 years jail. If I'm gonna pay for him, that's how I want my money spent.

[Mike.Gayner]

Seems awfully convenient for the govt that sentencing will not happen until the day after parliament rises. Until then banks is only guilty, not convicted, so gets to remain in Parliament, assisting in propping up the Nats.

I wonder if someone had a word to the judge. I doubt if most regular crims get treated with such leniency.

Smells an awful lot like political influence on the judiciary to me.

[Oscar]

*have.
who. would. *have. thought.

do they stop teaching english south of fucking hamilton or something.

They certainly stopped teaching punctuation and capitalisation.

[Oscar]

Seems awfully convenient for the govt that sentencing will not happen until the day after parliament rises. Until then banks is only guilty, not convicted, so gets to remain in Parliament, assisting in propping up the Nats.

I wonder if someone had a word to the judge. I doubt if most regular crims get treated with such leniency.

Actually that has potebtial to cause mayhem.
If he convicts and sentences him, parliament may have to be recalled during the general election campaign.

[Robert Taylor]

hahaha could not have happened to a nicer WANKER. Man would he get a severe arse rapeing if he got time:msn-wink:

Its not a justification of Johns amnesia but his fraud pales into insignificance compared to that fat, smug German fugitive who has committed massive internet fraud.
The hypocrisy is breathtaking, in consideration of the merger of a party based on a reserved Maori seat claiming to represent disadvantaged Maori, with a party started by a multi millionaire fraudster, resident in but not a citizen of this country. Hone the horrible and that Lilah whatshername both deride capitalism but are happy in time honoured fashion of their type of people to have their hand out for money, no matter how dirty it is.
That this Sargent Schultz lookalike should be fed to the American wolves cannot happen soon enough. If we end up with a motley grouping of left wing parties forming a Government with the economic catastrophe that will follow then it just shows what a bunch of idiots we are.
I give due to Sue Bradford even though I deride her political philosophy. At least she had the courage of her convictions. And I also give John Banks credit for being a much better Mayor of Auckalnd than that idiot Len Brown

[sil3nt]

Its not a justification of Johns amnesia but his fraud pales into insignificance compared to that fat, smug German fugitive who has committed massive internet fraud. Please explain this massive internet fraud to us all.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/images/160x/68999.jpg

[Robert Taylor]

Please explain this massive internet fraud to us all.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/images/160x/68999.jpg

Its well known without laboriously having to recite it all back. And why are the Americans massively interested in his extradition to face trial?

[Voltaire]

He's just a big cuddly German who happens to like living in NZ, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Dotcom
did he not contribute to both sides during the Mayoral Campaign?

John Banks childhood reads pretty grim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Banks_%28New_Zealand_politician%29

I can't see how they can bust JB and that German can do what he likes....and that cringeworthy Mayor we have.....:brick:

[MisterD]

Smells an awful lot like political influence on the judiciary to me.

Smells a lot like the usual KB pontificating from a position of zero knowledge to me.

There is always a gap between being found guilty and sentencing, for everyone, while the judge goes away and weighs up submissions and any reports he's asked for (like the suitability of home detention or whatever).

If only Banksie had laundered his donations through a trust like the winner of that election...or if he'd given Krim Dotcom what he thought he'd purchased with his $50k. Ironic that Banks has been found guilty of corruption because he refused to be corrupted by the donation.

[Swoop]

he was mayor of whangarei a few years ago. good thing he moved away or I suspect he was going to get butt fucked without going to prison. He was generally hated at the end of his term.
He was Mayor of Auckland.

MP for Whangarei.

[scumdog]

He was Mayor of Auckland.

MP for Whangarei.

Wan't it him that amalgamated Police and Traffic into one unit?

THAT worked out well...:oi-grr:

[oldrider]

Wan't it him that amalgamated Police and Traffic into one unit?

THAT worked out well...:oi-grr:

Perhaps the blame really falls with the drunk driver's and the need for powers to arrest them, are there not two distinct sections of the police?

General policing and traffic enforcement with joint (cooperative) powers over all?

My experience is that political interference and expanding (revolving door) immagration are the root causes of police/public relations breakdown!

Otherwise it has worked out OK ... Banks was only ever a puppet in the mix anyway! :weird:

Like them or not, taking the police away would be like having no oxygen ... not a good look! :oi-grr:

[Scuba_Steve]

Like them or not, taking the police away would be like having no oxygen ... not a good look! :oi-grr:

Not quite the same, taking the oxygen away would have actual adverse effects...

[Erelyes]

And why are the Americans massively interested in his extradition to face trial?

Because there's money in it, be it legal or not.

Tell me, if I run a community market with 1000 attendees every weekend, and one person sells a copied DVD to another at my market, should I be fined and go to jail? Should I be forced to monitor each and every transaction to see whether it was legal or not?

[Swoop]

Wan't it him that amalgamated Police and Traffic into one unit?

THAT worked out well...:oi-grr:
As minister of police he was a window-licking lunatic. Merging was the way he could keep his promise of "more cops" (1992).

[MisterD]

Because there's money in it, be it legal or not.

Tell me, if I run a community market with 1000 attendees every weekend, and one person sells a copied DVD to another at my market, should I be fined and go to jail? Should I be forced to monitor each and every transaction to see whether it was legal or not?

Depends if you're incentivising the whole process in the way that Mega were.

[Banditbandit]

*have.
who. would. *have. thought.

do they stop teaching english south of fucking hamilton or something.

No capital to begin your last sentence, no capital on the word "English" (proper noun - the name of a language), "English" is an adjective which can be used to describe anything originating from the small country within the British Isles. While the meaning may be derived from the context, the word needs a noun to be associated with it to be grammatically correct - thus "the English Language" as opposed to English people. In your sentence here is no capital on "Hamilton" (proper noun for a city in Cow country), 'or something" is a colloquialism but still an incorrect use of the English language. No question mark on the end of your question (even rhetoric questions have question marks).

Clearly they stopped teaching the English language north of Orewa as well. (And if you want to parse my sentence - fuck off)

[Banditbandit]

This is the judge who convicted him, right? If so why didn't the judge simply acquit?



The decision to withhold the formal entry of conviction was only reached after legal argument and it is rarer than hens teeth.

However from a public point of view we should be relieved. A hung Parliament for four months is no use to anyone. A by-election in 3 months, followed one month later by a general election is even worse. Utterly pointless.

He was found guilty - conviction is the next step - the judge can decide not too (would be very stupid of him, but the judge can decide. ) Banks can be an MP until he is convicted - he has not yet been convicted .. technicality I know - but one that does exist ..





Tell me, if I run a community market with 1000 attendees every weekend, and one person sells a copied DVD to another at my market, should I be fined and go to jail? Should I be forced to monitor each and every transaction to see whether it was legal or not?

Yes, you should And because you are here, you should be prosecuted here. Not sent somewhere else ... if Fat.com has done it then he has broken NZ law ... If he was not been in America can he still be charged under American law? I think not ..

Otherwise we'd all better slow down - because US speed limit is lower than ours - and we don't want to be extradidted to the US for speeding.

[oneofsix]

He was found guilty - conviction is the next step - the judge can decide not too (would be very stupid of him, but the judge can decide. ) Banks can be an MP until he is convicted - he has not yet been convicted .. technicality I know - but one that does exist ..




Yes, you should And because you are here, you should be prosecuted here. Not sent somewhere else ... if Fat.com has done it then he has broken NZ law ... If he was not been in America can he still be charged under American law? I think not ..

Otherwise we'd all better slow down - because US speed limit is lower than ours - and we don't want to be extradidted to the US for speeding.
But then you too should be charged and so should every other NZer because the market was in their country and therefore they are just as responsible for allowing to happen, and especially the Govt and Police as the civil control powers. Gets ridicidodalas real quick don't it? The whole copywrite thing is a load shit, as soon as big corp takes over ownership and extends it well beyond the original artists life.

[SPman]

Banks is a slimy condescending cunt who knew exactly what he was doing! He may be remorseful, but, fuck him! Every time I've met him I've felt like going and having a shower afterwards. He'll walk - the government will do nothing as long as he's useful to them

As Mayor of Auckland, he cost the city over $50mill on the Waikato water pipeline, putting it out for his mates. Still - he got a new Ferrari out of the contract......

[Robert Taylor]

Because there's money in it, be it legal or not.

Tell me, if I run a community market with 1000 attendees every weekend, and one person sells a copied DVD to another at my market, should I be fined and go to jail? Should I be forced to monitor each and every transaction to see whether it was legal or not?

We are not talking petty crime in respect of that Hun..........

[Akzle]

We are not talking petty crime in respect of that Hun..........

while i do sympathise with the position of artists and content creators, its the gew system imposed between that is the most butt hurt about it. (profit, precious profit)
Come on! 'Hollywood blockbusters' with budgets more than the gdp of certain nation states (invariably non white)??
Cry me a fucking river.

[Robert Taylor]

while i do sympathise with the position of artists and content creators, its the gew system imposed between that is the most butt hurt about it. (profit, precious profit)
Come on! 'Hollywood blockbusters' with budgets more than the gdp of certain nation states (invariably non white)??
Cry me a fucking river.

Im looking forward to the Incest Moron party turning all bitter and twisted. Almost as much as that Hun being extradited to the US and facing the music. It will happen.

[Shaun Harris]

And now the wanker has quit! Fukin perfect bye bye

[Akzle]

Im looking forward to the Incest Moron party turning all bitter and twisted. Almost as much as that Hun being extradited to the US and facing the music. It will happen.

whether it does or nae is no proof of the rightness of it.
Put him up in front of judge judy.

Im looking forward to your anguish when some self serving gew cunt isnt at the helm.

[Shaun Harris]

whether it does or nae is no proof of the rightness of it.
Put him up in front of judge judy.

Im looking forward to your anguish when some self serving gew cunt isnt at the helm.





Robert is a man of high morals and honesty that I am sure he will flip out big time if that were to happen, he is one of the most honest people I have met in the motorcycling game.

[jasonu]

meanwhile, dark skinned folk get 3-5 for knocking off the corner dairy.

.

Quite right too.

[Akzle]

Robert is a man of high morals and honesty that I am sure he will flip out big time if that were to happen, he is one of the most honest people I have met in the motorcycling game.

i dont think ive questioned his integrity. Just his opinion and the basis on which it survives..

[Shaun Harris]

i dont think ive questioned his integrity. Just his opinion and the basis on which it survives..





I was not challenging you man, I was simply making a statement about the way Robert shows the way he conducts his life with honesty and morals which he stands tall about! Honesty and morals.

[oldrider]

Honesty and morals. So many men ... so many opinions! :wacko: Who's version? Pick one and run with it .. any one will do! :corn:

[Paul in NZ]

Interesting reading...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10132048/Laughing-all-the-way-to-the-Banks

And another point of view.... and an interesting one at that.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/10128008/Banks-public-fall-from-grace

[Oscar]

Interesting reading...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10132048/Laughing-all-the-way-to-the-Banks

And another point of view.... and an interesting one at that.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/10128008/Banks-public-fall-from-grace

There is no doubt that he has been hung out to dry by his stupid campaign manager.
I believe he signed the document in good faith, however:

Signing it without knowing what was in it was stupid as its contents were his responsibility.
He could have fixed this when it came to light by a simple public statement and an amended declaration.


Expecting to argue the point with Kim Dotcum is one thing, but the Sky City situation had him bang to rights - he denial strikes me as arrogant and silly.

[oldrider]

Interesting reading...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10132048/Laughing-all-the-way-to-the-Banks

And another point of view.... and an interesting one at that.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/10128008/Banks-public-fall-from-grace

Banks did little more than carry on as every other establish political group in NZ does (or perhaps now, did!) clearly it is established "custom and practice"!

He should appeal ... he had no case to answer! :oi-grr:

[Akzle]

Banks did little more than carry on as every other establish political group in NZ does (or perhaps now, did!) clearly it is established "custom and practice"!

He should appeal ... he had no case to answer! :oi-grr:

actually, acordering to the nurburgerrings trial, "doing it cos everyone else is" isnt a valid excuse/legal defence.
Better, have another 120 odd trials and see how impartial the judiciary actually is.
Shooting the flag bearer and claiming youve won the war? Bah!

[Oscar]

actually, acordering to the nurburgerrings trial,

Is that where if your lap is under 8 minutes the jury awards you a medal?

[Akzle]

Is that where if your lap is under 8 minutes the jury awards you a medal?

somewhere between that, a bag of bright orange cancer-causing chips, and an historically significant farce, where most of, ze gurmens, moved to murica to continue testing drugs and weapons on people, in the latest case, everyone.

[puddytat]

Banks did little more than carry on as every other establish political group in NZ does (or perhaps now, did!) clearly it is established "custom and practice"!

He should appeal ... he had no case to answer! :oi-grr:

There is one Political Party that has not been tarred by the usual cronyism of Parliament.... or had any of its candidates prosecuted let alone been brought up before the courts.

I'll give ya a hint...it starts with a G & rhymes with clean....

[unstuck]

There is one Political Party that has not been tarred by the usual cronyism of Parliament.... or had any of its candidates prosecuted let alone been brought up before the courts.

I'll give ya a hint...it starts with a G & rhymes with clean....

My favorite color is Green.:blip::blip:

[Robert Taylor]

My favorite color is Green.:blip::blip:

SNIFTERS Green on the outside, red on the inside.

That fat hun is a toxic piece of work. It will all come to blows between him, Harre and that part Maori, part European racist. For certain.

[puddytat]

SNIFTERS Green on the outside, red on the inside.

That fat hun is a toxic piece of work. It will all come to blows between him, Harre and that part Maori, part European racist. For certain.

What the fuck has .com got to do with my post.....your not Patrick Gower by chance?

Russell only went to tell .com that he wasn't interested in his "politicking", & that he would be a distraction for the left.

And you see that every night on what passes for political journalism in N.Z.....:facepalm:

[Robert Taylor]

SNIFTERS Green on the outside, red on the inside.

That fat hun is a toxic piece of work. It will all come to blows between him, Harre and that part Maori, part European racist. For certain.

No I just picked up on your post as a generalisation, not to mock you or cause offence to you.

[MVnut]

If it has to go as far as the Privy Council, he will be found Not Guilty.......simple fact of Westminster Law

[Banditbandit]

If it has to go as far as the Privy Council, he will be found Not Guilty.......simple fact of Westminster Law

If it was so simple he would not have been found guilty by this court ..

[MVnut]

If it was so simple he would not have been found guilty by this court ..

At the Privy Council he would be tried by a jury of his peers (in other words Masons).....the only crime a Mason can find another Mason guilty of is Treason I believe....certainly not what Banks is accused of (and found guilty here)

[MisterD]

Russell only went to tell .com that he wasn't interested in his "politicking", & that he would be a distraction for the left.



Is that why, straight afterwards, Mr Gimmebackmyfwag stood up and said he'd overule the courts and block Dotcom's extradition?

[oldrider]

actually, acordering to the nurburgerrings trial, "doing it cos everyone else is" isnt a valid excuse/legal defence.
Better, have another 120 odd trials and see how impartial the judiciary actually is.
Shooting the flag bearer and claiming youve won the war? Bah!

Take a look at NZ employment law.

See how many employer arguments have been lost because they allowed unchecked dissmisable actions to prevail as "custom and practice"!

Oldest trick in the book by unions in dismissal defence ... employers must check and stop bad practice every time not just as it suits them!

If it can be proved that the others have done/are doing it Banks is home free on appeal, it's accepted "custom and practice" end of story!

[Banditbandit]

If it can be proved that the others have done/are doing it Banks is home free on appeal, it's accepted "custom and practice" end of story!

So if it can be proved that other people have robbed and stolen money, then al those who rob and steal money will get off??? Custom and Practice???

I don't see the argument at all sorry ..

[Banditbandit]

At the Privy Council he would be tried by a jury of his peers (in other words Masons).....the only crime a Mason can find another Mason guilty of is Treason I believe....certainly not what Banks is accused of (and found guilty here)

1) I seriously doubt that all members of the Privy Council are masons.

The full list (which you can find here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_the_British_Privy_Counc il ) includes WOMEN and I'm bloody sure the masons do not allow women members. It also includes at least one Trade Unionist - and I'm sure the Masons would not accept that ...

2) The Privy Council has been wiped as our highest appeal court. It's now done completely on-shore. We have our own Supreme Court (since 2004) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_New_Zealand

[oldrider]

So if it can be proved that other people have robbed and stolen money, then al those who rob and steal money will get off??? Custom and Practice???

I don't see the argument at all sorry ..

Looky here then: http://www.freelanceadvisor.co.uk/go-freelance-guide/custom-and-practice-and-employment-contract-terms/

And here: http://www.shoosmiths.co.uk/client-resources/legal-updates/when-does-custom-practice-create-legal-entitlement-employment-benefits-5896.aspx

[MVnut]

1) I seriously doubt that all members of the Privy Council are masons.

The full list (which you can find here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_the_British_Privy_Counc il ) includes WOMEN and I'm bloody sure the masons do not allow women members. It also includes at least one Trade Unionist - and I'm sure the Masons would not accept that ...

2) The Privy Council has been wiped as our highest appeal court. It's now done completely on-shore. We have our own Supreme Court (since 2004) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_New_Zealand

The Privy Council probably are all Masons but that's irrelevant, the Jurors which are picked by Counsel will all be Masons (or they will be rejected).....so you are telling me David Bain did not go to the Privy Council are you???

[Grumph]

The Privy Council probably are all Masons but that's irrelevant, the Jurors which are picked by Counsel will all be Masons (or they will be rejected).....so you are telling me David Bain did not go to the Privy Council are you???

As others will say in ruder fashion...you've been out of the country too long.
There's a cutoff date - crimes prior to that could go to the Privy Council, after that, no, local top court only.

[Banditbandit]

The Privy Council probably are all Masons but that's irrelevant, the Jurors which are picked by Counsel will all be Masons (or they will be rejected).....so you are telling me David Bain did not go to the Privy Council are you???

No - David Bain was convicted under laws which, at the time, allowed for appeals to the Privy Council. Therefore all appeals at that time were ultimately to the Privy Council. I believe that Teina Pora was the last appeal to that body, as there are no outstanding matters from the pre-2004 passing of the law establishing the Supreme Court.

As Banks was convicted under the new set up all processes are from 2004 .. and he can't appeal to the Privy Council.

If you are going to argue law at least have some understanding ... a little more than your limited knowledge now .. I don't claim to be a lawyer (thank god) but I seem to know a little more about he law than you ..

[MVnut]

As others will say in ruder fashion...you've been out of the country too long.
There's a cutoff date - crimes prior to that could go to the Privy Council, after that, no, local top court only.

Yeah well I have been living in the jungle on and off for many years, maybe I am wrong. However if he was to be judged truely by a Jury of his Peers in NZ, his counsel can still make sure they are all Masons...........and when it comes to Masons I probably do know what I'm talking about....by the way Little Princess Bandit, I never said I was a lawyer, although I did study the Westminster System many years ago

[puddytat]

No I just picked up on your post as a generalisation, not to mock you or cause offence to you.

Well since you put it like that.....
Generalisation is something we're all prone to.

[puddytat]

Is that why, straight afterwards, Mr Gimmebackmyfwag stood up and said he'd overule the courts and block Dotcom's extradition?

No, its purely because the Greens have always supported Human Rights & especially when the Govt has abused & ignored the Laws of the land & also been shown to have engaged in illegal activities.
Don't get me wrong, I think K.com is as dodgey as Banks, but unlike Banks & others, he is innocent until proven guilty.

Its about Law, not individuals.

[MisterD]

No, its purely because the Greens have always supported Human Rights & especially when the Govt has abused & ignored the Laws of the land & also been shown to have engaged in illegal activities.
Don't get me wrong, I think K.com is as dodgey as Banks, but unlike Banks & others, he is innocent until proven guilty.

Its about Law, not individuals.

He's a convicted fraudster (as well, if you must). So Russel's statement that he'd override a court decision to allow extradition is the result of either a) some pay off from KDC or b) knee-jerk anti-Americanism, either of which makes him unfit to be in parliament IMO.

Judging by the fact that KDC is offering a bounty for anyone who can cook up some evidence to get him off, I'd say he has a pretty strong case to answer and should be on the first states-bound flight out of here.

[Robert Taylor]

No, its purely because the Greens have always supported Human Rights & especially when the Govt has abused & ignored the Laws of the land & also been shown to have engaged in illegal activities.
Don't get me wrong, I think K.com is as dodgey as Banks, but unlike Banks & others, he is innocent until proven guilty.

Its about Law, not individuals.

As soon as the Snifters are caught doing something dodgy I will be near the front of the queue reminding you

[Katman]

As soon as the Snifters are caught doing something dodgy I will be near the front of the queue reminding you

Please do.

Because all I'm seeing at the moment is the Green party leaving the rest for dead when it comes to displaying honesty and integrity and working towards creating a better New Zealand for the majority of New Zealanders instead of simply trying to line their own pockets.

[puddytat]

He's a convicted fraudster (as well, if you must). So Russel's statement that he'd override a court decision to allow extradition is the result of either a) some pay off from KDC or b) knee-jerk anti-Americanism, either of which makes him unfit to be in parliament IMO.

Judging by the fact that KDC is offering a bounty for anyone who can cook up some evidence to get him off, I'd say he has a pretty strong case to answer and should be on the first states-bound flight out of here.

And if he is found guilty I will gladly wave him good bye....
The rest is supposition.


As soon as the Snifters are caught doing something dodgy I will be near the front of the queue reminding you

:rofl:

Don't hold your breath,
it'll make it harder to swallow.


the red under your bed you know. those bottles of it :blip::drinkup:

[Winston001]

The Privy Council probably are all Masons but that's irrelevant, the Jurors which are picked by Counsel will all be Masons (or they will be rejected).....so you are telling me David Bain did not go to the Privy Council are you???

I'm probably wasting my time but this is what many lawyers know:

The Privy Council is a group of high end judges who reach that point because they are especially clever.

These are man who are incisive and frankly dont fuck around. Part of their work is to decide on Carrribean death sentences. Not a lot of fun in that.

New Zealand had the benefit of these legal minds with no cost to us. Seems odd to abandon it.

[MisterD]

New Zealand had the benefit of these legal minds with no cost to us. Seems odd to abandon it.

Not so odd when you consider that the decision was made (with zero mandate, I might add) by one Helen "bought my job with your money" Clark so she could stack the replacement body with fellow social engineers like Sian Elias.

[Banditbandit]

....by the way Little Princess Bandit,

Fuck off ya inbred south islander ..

[Shaun Harris]

As soon as the Snifters are caught doing something dodgy I will be near the front of the queue reminding you




what, like presenting some thing to be one thing when they honestly know it is actually some thing else, ( If it could be proven by witnesses say) Not very honest and very poor morals really this kind of doing, and would blow there street cred write out of the water would'nt it after ranting on about such things so often for so many years.

Carry on

[oldrider]

Not so odd when you consider that the decision was made (with zero mandate, I might add) by one Helen "bought my job with your money" Clark so she could stack the replacement body with fellow social engineers like Sian Elias.

True and she is still out there spending other peoples money on her ill-conceived world domination by socialism ideals! :sick:

[Swoop]

There is one Political Party that has not been tarred by the usual cronyism of Parliament.... or had any of its candidates prosecuted let alone been brought up before the courts.

I'll give ya a hint...it starts with a G & rhymes with clean....
Ahh yes! That would be the "I'm not all that bright, but I do have dreams" party who want to start printing more money. Hey! It's only paper and ink anyway, right?
They should just stick to paper recycling and composting.



New Zealand had the benefit of these legal minds with no cost to us. Seems odd to abandon it.
Absolute madness to abandon it.
But at least the Supreme court will be able to be manipulated far easier, being on-shore.

[awa355]

Ahh yes! That would be the "I'm not all that bright, but I do have dreams" party who want to start printing more money. Hey! It's only paper and ink anyway, right?
.

This would probably apply to almost every goverment in the ' free ' world.

[mashman]

This would probably apply to almost every goverment in the ' free ' world.

I chortled lots. blingy blungy.

[Akzle]

money. Hey! It's only paper and ink anyway,

now you're fucken getting it!

[Swoop]

This would probably apply to almost every goverment in the ' free ' world.
Obviously the Lunatic Fringe party were wagging class when Economics 101 was being presented that day...

[puddytat]

Ahh yes! That would be the "I'm not all that bright, but I do have dreams" party who want to start printing more money. Hey! It's only paper and ink anyway, right?
They should just stick to paper recycling and composting.

.



:yawn: How original.....

[Swoop]

:yawn: How original.....
Perhaps you should talk to the "co-lunatics" at the helm of the SS Greenship.
Thank fuck they aren't in power.

[puddytat]

Thank fuck for you that they're not in power....it'd burst your militaristic bubble.

[oldrider]

Perhaps you should talk to the "co-lunatics" at the helm of the SS Greenship.
Thank fuck they aren't in power.


Thank fuck for you that they're not in power....it'd burst your militaristic bubble.

Well there is almost a clear and ready made parking spot on the rocks just out of Tauranga ... even the goodship "Green" couldn't miss it! :nya:


History: Green is the new red!

In May 1972 a meeting at Victoria University, Wellington, launched the Values Party, the world's first national Green party.

The party contested the 1972 general election, with radical new policies such as zero economic growth and zero population growth and promoted reform of laws covering abortion, drugs and homosexuality.

These policies formed the world's first Green election manifesto 'Blueprint for New Zealand - An Alternative Future'. .... Yeah right! :yawn:

[puddytat]

Yep, the Eco Pacifists have got the main stream trembling in their boots.

[SPman]

Ahh yes! That would be the "I'm not all that bright, but I do have dreams" party who want to start printing more money. Hey! It's only paper and ink anyway, right?
They should just stick to paper recycling and composting.
.

Talking about the US Federal Reseve......????

[SPman]

He's a convicted fraudster (as well, if you must). So Russel's statement that he'd override a court decision to allow extradition is the result of either a) some pay off from KDC or b) knee-jerk anti-Americanism, either of which makes him unfit to be in parliament IMO.

Judging by the fact that KDC is offering a bounty for anyone who can cook up some evidence to get him off, I'd say he has a pretty strong case to answer and should be on the first states-bound flight out of here.

Sucked into the neo-lib paradigm hook line and sinker........

[MisterD]

neo-lib

Always a key indicator that someone's relationship with reality is somewhat distant.

[SPman]

He's a convicted fraudster (as well, if you must).


Vague references are made to his “criminal” past. His first arrest in 1994 as a teenage hacker resulted in a suspended sentence and the judge referring to his actions as “youthful foolishness”. His next conviction in 2003 was for “insider trading” because he bought shares in a bankrupt company and then said he was investing some money in it so its shares jumped and he sold out at a profit. Again he received a suspended sentence. Insider trading only became a crime in Germany in 1995 and Dotcom said he wasn’t aware what he had done was a crime.

His real “crime” as far as the Hollywood moguls are concerned is for doing something he hasn’t yet been convicted of any crime for – establishing Megaupload Ltd. Two suspended sentences.........one for hacking as a teenager, one for "investing" in a company and selling shares when they went up - just what most politicians seem to do these days - particularly in the US and UK.......


Always a key indicator that someone's relationship with reality is somewhat distant.
Yours?

[Swoop]

Thank fuck for you that they're not in power....it'd burst your militaristic bubble.

That's very clever, bringing a "military" topic into my post which referred to an economic proposal from the Lunatic Fringe party.
:scratch:

[puddytat]

That's very clever, bringing a "military" topic into my post which referred to an economic proposal from the Lunatic Fringe party.
:scratch:

Yeah. Ta...

[mashman]

10k or Prison (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/24604020/former-mp-john-banks-sentenced/)... hmmmmmm

As it's his first offence he should be let off with a warning.

[roogazza]

10k or Prison (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/24604020/former-mp-john-banks-sentenced/)... hmmmmmm

As it's his first offence he should be let off with a warning.

What a joke community detension, off to the Court of Appeal we go !

[swarfie]

What a joke community detension, off to the Court of Appeal we go !

What a joke. It's arrogant wankers like him that really piss the people off. Why doesn't he just accept the slap over the back of the hand with a the wet lettuce leaf that he has been handed and just go and do the community service?....it'd be the only 100 hours REAL work the prick has ever done and would save the tax payer a small fortune in legal fees. :bash:

[mada]

What a joke community detension, off to the Court of Appeal we go !


Will laugh if the Court of Appeal increase his sentence for wasting their time.

[Mike.Gayner]

I don't know what grounds he plans to appeal on. He claims he has "new evidence", but the Court of Appeals won't hear new evidence, only arguments of law.

[mada]

I don't know what grounds he plans to appeal on. He claims he has "new evidence", but the Court of Appeals won't hear new evidence, only arguments of law.

I reckon he will challenge on the basis of some docs regarding Krim Dot Con or info challenging his and others credibility as witnesses (despite judge ruling they were credible).

[Banditbandit]

I'm sure he will get on very well with the boys on the PD work crews ... he can even go to mid-week ones now he is not in Parliament ..

[oldrider]

I overheard a comment that Banks was simply subject to a biased vindictive judge that didn't like him ... that will do it every time I suppose! :yes:

Allways a gamble where people politics and history are involved. :facepalm:

[mada]

I overheard a comment that Banks was simply subject to a biased vindictive judge that didn't like him ... that will do it every time I suppose! :yes:

Allways a gamble where people politics and history are involved. :facepalm:

Yeh very easy to claim that when it doesn't go his way. The fact stands that Banks choose a judge-alone trial, rather than a jury of his peers. Why was he so dumb? Arguably he hedged his bets thinking that he would get off easier than if he had a jury trial.

[Shaun Harris]

I'm sure he will get on very well with the boys on the PD work crews ... he can even go to mid-week ones now he is not in Parliament ..






hahahahaha been a few years for me now

[oldrider]

Yeh very easy to claim that when it doesn't go his way. The fact stands that Banks choose a judge-alone trial, rather than a jury of his peers. Why was he so dumb? Arguably he hedged his bets thinking that he would get off easier than if he had a jury trial.

Six of one half a dozen of the other .. life is a lottery!

He didn't stand a chance I think he really thought he was doing good during his public political life kinda like Muldoon and his "Rob's Mob" fantasy!

Grandma used to have a saying: "Fools names and fools faces mostly seen in public places" Banksy all the way I'm afraid! :stupid:

[Mike.Gayner]

I reckon he will challenge on the basis of some docs regarding Krim Dot Con or info challenging his and others credibility as witnesses (despite judge ruling they were credible).

None of that are points of law though. No grounds for appeal there - that's what the trial was for. And the judge didn't buy it, because Banks is a perennial incorrigible liar.

[MisterD]

None of that are points of law though.

Fresh evidence, that was not available at the time of the original trial, is absolutely a ground to seek leave to appeal. The court can look at it and deny leave to appeal, if they think it would have made no difference, but in a case where a judge has decided that one person's evidence is credible (Kim Dotcom! Credible?! :eek5:) and one person's not, I can't see that being the case...

[roogazza]

What a joke. It's arrogant wankers like him that really piss the people off. Why doesn't he just accept the slap over the back of the hand with a the wet lettuce leaf that he has been handed and just go and do the community service?....it'd be the only 100 hours REAL work the prick has ever done and would save the tax payer a small fortune in legal fees. :bash:

Yes, never met him but he looks a self righteous little fuck.
Small mans disease I reckon ? for sure.

[Fatt Max]

I like John Banks, he has fat friends like Kim Dot Cotton or whatever his name is

Anyone who likes fat people is ok in my book

[oldrider]

Fat people are OK .. fat german criminals trying to buy our country to hide in are not among them! ... Do you still like pies Max? :bleh:

[Banditbandit]

Fat people are immoral ...

[mashman]

It's not the fault of the fat person :eek:

[Banditbandit]

It's not the fault of the fat person :eek:

Yes it is - that's what's immoral .. it takes a lot of resources to make a fat person ... more than their fair share of the resources .. they are draining the planet of resources ..

(And I would point out that there were NO fat people in Auschwitz ... if it was anything other than eating too much there would have been fat people on Auschwitz)

[mashman]

Yes it is - that's what's immoral .. it takes a lot of resources to make a fat person ... more than their fair share of the resources .. they are draining the planet of resources ..

(And I would point out that there were NO fat people in Auschwitz ... if it was anything other than eating too much there would have been fat people on Auschwitz)

It's a medical condition for some, just like that real life buster gonad guy :pinch:. :killingme, totes true... but then they'd make less food at the carry out joints and they'd go bust, they also keep Drs and Surgeons etc... employed. So fat people are good for the economoney.

What's Auschwitz?

[Akzle]

What's Auschwitz?

'slike, summer camp for jews, they were supposed to fix ze germanian ovens while they were there, but failed.
now there's all these butthurt jews who weren't even there who use it as an excuse for, like, free countries and shit.

[mashman]

'slike, summer camp for jews, they were supposed to fix ze germanian ovens while they were there, but failed.
now there's all these butthurt jews who weren't even there who use it as an excuse for, like, free countries and shit.

Did that happen, like, in the past?

[MisterD]

Yes it is - that's what's immoral .. it takes a lot of resources to make a fat person ... more than their fair share of the resources .. they are draining the planet of resources ..

(And I would point out that there were NO fat people in Auschwitz ... if it was anything other than eating too much there would have been fat people on Auschwitz)

Not neccessarily. A fat person might well be using less resources than a skinny b'stard that does a lot of exercise. The olympics is more immoral than a fat person eating pies and ice cream and watching Teev all day :sunny:

[oldrider]

What's Auschwitz?

Goldenshower! Au = gold ... schwitz = urine! :mellow: Where were you educated? :rolleyes:

[mashman]

Goldenshower! Au = gold ... schwitz = urine! :mellow: Where were you educated? :rolleyes:

Fortunately I was able to forget virtually everything I was ever taught ;)

[avgas]

do they stop teaching english south of fucking hamilton or something.
Don't you mean white-man-talk? (or whatever the monkey chatter equivalent of that is)

[Fatt Max]

Oh ye of little education....

Fat people make a difference to you and the environment....let me explain..

1. Fat People are environmentally friendly, we use less water in the bath

2. Fat people are harder to kidnap. Kim Dot Com proved that, the FBI could have grabbed him at any time but your average 'Grab Team' consists of only 4 operatives, how the fuck were they going to lift him into the van after necking him with a needle full of roofee, and

3. Fat people will be useful in the event of a zombie apocolypse. Have you noticed the rise in prices of properties in the vicinity of bakeries and takeaway bars? There is a reason for this, the zombie apocolypse is looming and if you live next to a fat person they will (a) not be able to run as fast as you so the zombies will catch them first, and (b) an average porker can feed a familiy of zombies for a month, unlike skinny fuckers who are aboutr as good as a lolly stick

So there you have it skinny mutha fuckers...rejoice in the lardness and get some frikken' Fattitude....

[awa355]

It all happens for fat people.

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/awa355/Untitledpicture-27.png

[oldrider]

It all happens for fat people.

What was that guy's name again ... Thomas wasn't it? (Hint: 2000 years ago starts with D!) :shifty:

[Winston001]

Sorry guys but time for a reality check. You can laugh all you want.

John Banks irritates me but I'd shake his hand:

Lets compare the guy to ourselves and the other politicians out there:

John Banks parents were criminals and went to jail. No bloody use to a child.

John Banks somehow overcame that in an era when most bad kids went to the Boys Home and disappeared.

Eventually he rose from nothing to own a restaurant and then expanded to more. What a prick eh! Successful from nothing.

Eventually he got elected to Parliament. And became Minister of Police.

Then Mayor of Auckland.

Not bad for a kid from the streets.

Then he adopted orphans from Russia.

How many politicians in NZ have done that?

Then he stood up for animal rights and opposed laboratory testing of drugs on animals.

I'd guess that many of us here wouldn't have done that.

This is a man whom you disrespect? Really?

[Hinny]

Yeh very easy to claim that when it doesn't go his way. The fact stands that Banks choose a judge-alone trial, rather than a jury of his peers. Why was he so dumb? Arguably he hedged his bets thinking that he would get off easier than if he had a jury trial.

I would have thought the clever route to take if you are guilty is trial by jury. Easier to sway or bamboozle a group of average joes off the street.
I imagine Judges to be far harder to pull the wool over their eyes.
David Bain case illustrates this fairly succinctly. Judges of Court of Appeal reckoned 'you could not find a jury in the land that would not convict him' ... but the Bain team did!

[Banditbandit]

I would have thought the clever route to take if you are guilty is trial by jury. Easier to sway or bamboozle a group of average joes off the street.
I imagine Judges to be far harder to pull the wool over their eyes.
David Bain case illustrates this fairly succinctly. Judges of Court of Appeal reckoned 'you could not find a jury in the land that would not convict him' ... but the Bain team did!

In my close observations (many times sitting in court over a number of years) it's a bit of a lottery

If I wanted to argue points of Law I would pick a judge - because they know the law ... juries are swayed by emotion and struggle with subtle points of law ...

If I didn't want to argue subtle law I would choose a jury - easy to sway on emotional appeal.

Banks took a good option ... he had a legal argument ... I believe a jury would have convicted him because he's "a politician and they all lie" .. a judge was the best bet .. but the judge wasn't buying it either .. .

[Laava]

Sorry guys but time for a reality check. You can laugh all you want.

John Banks irritates me but I'd shake his hand:

Lets compare the guy to ourselves and the other politicians out there:

John Banks parents were criminals and went to jail. No bloody use to a child.

John Banks somehow overcame that in an era when most bad kids went to the Boys Home and disappeared.

Eventually he rose from nothing to own a restaurant and then expanded to more. What a prick eh! Successful from nothing.

Eventually he got elected to Parliament. And became Minister of Police.

Then Mayor of Auckland.

Not bad for a kid from the streets.

Then he adopted orphans from Russia.

How many politicians in NZ have done that?

Then he stood up for animal rights and opposed laboratory testing of drugs on animals.

I'd guess that many of us here wouldn't have done that.

This is a man whom you disrespect? Really?
You'd think all of that would have made him a humble down to earth kind of guy.

[oldrider]

You'd think all of that would have made him a humble down to earth kind of guy.

Maybe he is ... unless you know him personally the only John Banks that you will ever meet is media contrived ... huge difference "sometimes"! :whistle:

[Banditbandit]

Sorry guys but time for a reality check. You can laugh all you want.

John Banks irritates me but I'd shake his hand:

Lets compare the guy to ourselves and the other politicians out there:

John Banks parents were criminals and went to jail. No bloody use to a child.

John Banks somehow overcame that in an era when most bad kids went to the Boys Home and disappeared.

Eventually he rose from nothing to own a restaurant and then expanded to more. What a prick eh! Successful from nothing.

Eventually he got elected to Parliament. And became Minister of Police.

Then Mayor of Auckland.

Not bad for a kid from the streets.

Then he adopted orphans from Russia.

How many politicians in NZ have done that?

Then he stood up for animal rights and opposed laboratory testing of drugs on animals.

I'd guess that many of us here wouldn't have done that.

This is a man whom you disrespect? Really?

Yes, I can respect a man who does that.

What I don't respect is his attitude that "anyone can do that" ...

And I don't respect him for his bullshit and lying and deviousness ... makes me wonder just how ethical were his business practices that made him rich ..

[oldrider]

Yes, I can respect a man who does that.

What I don't respect is his attitude that "anyone can do that" ...

And I don't respect him for his bullshit and lying and deviousness ... makes me wonder just how ethical were his business practices that made him rich ..

"So many men so many opinions" ... it's like "common sense" ... who's brand? :confused:

[Winston001]

You'd think all of that would have made him a humble down to earth kind of guy.

Yeah, agreed. Maybe its as John says, we only see the public persona.




And I don't respect him for his bullshit and lying and deviousness ... makes me wonder just how ethical were his business practices that made him rich ..

Presumably you are referring to his denial of knowing about the donations? Yes that is a stupid lie. But in context it is actually minor. Politicians are allowed to accept donations - there is nothing unlawful about that. They are allowed to have secret donations as in the case of David Cunliffe.

The problem about political donations is the donor might later seek a favour - and Dot Com gave evidence he tried, but John Banks would have nothing to do with him. So there is no undue influence here.

Mike Williams, a vastly experienced Labour man says that in his experience no politician would ever ask for and receive money directly - the arrangements would always be handled by a campaign manager. In essence he was backing up Banks version of events. Who knows.

[avgas]

Sorry guys but time for a reality check. You can laugh all you want.
John Banks irritates me but I'd shake his hand:
Lets compare the guy to ourselves and the other politicians out there:
John Banks parents were criminals and went to jail. No bloody use to a child.
John Banks somehow overcame that in an era when most bad kids went to the Boys Home and disappeared.
Eventually he rose from nothing to own a restaurant and then expanded to more. What a prick eh! Successful from nothing.
Eventually he got elected to Parliament. And became Minister of Police.
Then Mayor of Auckland.
Not bad for a kid from the streets.
Then he adopted orphans from Russia.
How many politicians in NZ have done that?
Then he stood up for animal rights and opposed laboratory testing of drugs on animals.
I'd guess that many of us here wouldn't have done that.
This is a man whom you disrespect? Really?
That is the recipe for a criminal mastermind. He has a cover story. He has a hard luck tale. He has the woe is me persona.

I mean think about it - he could have gone completely in another direction. He could have made everything legitimate, everything upfront, he could have been a pillar of what to do.

Instead he became shifty. And it got worst - he got shifty on stuff he got caught with.
So if you consider he didn't talk about stuff until all FACTS were laid out in front of him - what hasn't he told us?

What items are missing facts and he is not being honest about?

The greatest act the devil ever did was make people believe he didn't exist.

[Banditbandit]

Presumably you are referring to his denial of knowing about the donations? Yes that is a stupid lie. But in context it is actually minor.

I can't write off his shuck dive and shuffle on this as "minor" ..


Politicians are allowed to accept donations - there is nothing unlawful about that. They are allowed to have secret donations as in the case of David Cunliffe.

Yes - but only to a certain limit. And I'm not happy about their shucking and jiving to get around this issue - such as National's cabinet Club .. but hey - politicians are natural shuck and jivers ... BUT that does not make it acceptable behaviour ..


The problem about political donations is the donor might later seek a favour - and Dot Com gave evidence he tried, but John Banks would have nothing to do with him. So there is no undue influence here.

Mike Williams, a vastly experienced Labour man says that in his experience no politician would ever ask for and receive money directly - the arrangements would always be handled by a campaign manager. In essence he was backing up Banks version of events. Who knows.

Yeah .. who knows? But not a good look ..

[Katman]

I imagine Judges to be far harder to pull the wool over their eyes.


Unless their name happens to be Philippa Cunningham.

[mada]

Sorry guys but time for a reality check. You can laugh all you want.

John Banks irritates me but I'd shake his hand:

Lets compare the guy to ourselves and the other politicians out there:

John Banks parents were criminals and went to jail. No bloody use to a child.

John Banks somehow overcame that in an era when most bad kids went to the Boys Home and disappeared.

Eventually he rose from nothing to own a restaurant and then expanded to more. What a prick eh! Successful from nothing.

Eventually he got elected to Parliament. And became Minister of Police.

Then Mayor of Auckland.

Not bad for a kid from the streets.

Then he adopted orphans from Russia.

How many politicians in NZ have done that?

Then he stood up for animal rights and opposed laboratory testing of drugs on animals.

I'd guess that many of us here wouldn't have done that.

This is a man whom you disrespect? Really?

You left out the part about him being a director and managing Huljich Wealth Management. The company got charged and convicted along with Bank's close mate Peter Huljich, very lucky for Banks not to face any charges - maybe he had no idea about what he was managing and signing and was just plain old incompetent...

http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/heat-john-banks-over-kiwisaver-scheme-3395381

Imagine the furor and frenzy if Cuntliffe was the involved in such a company?

Then he provided advice to Krim Dotcon on residency and immigration (potentially in breach of the Immigration Advisers Licencing Act) and dodgily lobbied Maurice Williamson to approve his OIO land purchase.


I respect all hard working people and politicians until the point where they lie and become deceitful and use their positions of power to gain personally and for their mates.

Never heard that joke about who would make the better leader?


It is time to elect a new world leader, and only your vote counts. Here are the facts about the three leading candidates.

Candidate A: Associates with crooked politicians, and consults with astrologists. He's had two Mistresses. He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.

Candidate B He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon, used opium in college and drinks a quart of whiskey every evening.

Candidate C He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and never cheated on his wife.

Which of these candidates would be your choice?

[ellipsis]

John Banks .......


...he may be all of that, he may even have been naive enough to think his great mates in parliament would help him out of the shit that HE got himself into...after all, how many of the fuckers from any of the political parties get away with heaps worse than this (granted, some of the wankers have fallen on their sword, but that probably suited them)...just another man who helped the leading liars to retain their power and then dropped and stepped over when he was a liability...sounds like politics and politicians normal standards to me...lie down with dogs, expect the fleas...how many times does that Nick Smith cunt have to have portfolios removed and put at the back before he is at the front again...

[mashman]

how many times does that Nick Smith cunt have to have portfolios removed and put at the back before he is at the front again...

As often as people forget what a cunt he is.

[oldrider]

You left out the part about him being a director and managing Huljich Wealth Management. The company got charged and convicted along with Bank's close mate Peter Huljich, very lucky for Banks not to face any charges - maybe he had no idea about what he was managing and signing and was just plain old incompetent...

http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/heat-john-banks-over-kiwisaver-scheme-3395381

Imagine the furor and frenzy if Cuntliffe was the involved in such a company?

Then he provided advice to Krim Dotcon on residency and immigration (potentially in breach of the Immigration Advisers Licencing Act) and dodgily lobbied Maurice Williamson to approve his OIO land purchase.


I respect all hard working people and politicians until the point where they lie and become deceitful and use their positions of power to gain personally and for their mates.

Never heard that joke about who would make the better leader?

David Parker hasn't got a clean slate and that is being conveniently forgotten about these days!

[Banditbandit]

David Parker hasn't got a clean slate and that is being conveniently forgotten about these days!

Politicians ALL seem to have very bad memories .. they can't remember diddlesquat

[Hinny]

David Parker hasn't got a clean slate and that is being conveniently forgotten about these days!

Pray tell.

and ...

Does this information detract from him being an economic wonderkid?

[Hinny]

Sorry guys but time for a reality check. You can laugh all you want.

John Banks ...

Some years ago John Banks was interviewed on the radio.
After the interview a listener rang and asked
" Did I hear Mr Banks say that he used to box when he was a young man?"
He received confirmation that this was correct.
The caller rejoined with the classic line...
"Oh, well that explains it then".

[Hinny]

Unless their name happens to be Philippa Cunningham.

Good point.

Classic case of 'Cultural hypnosis'. (Dover Samuels)

[Hinny]

As often as people forget what a cunt he is.

Reminds me of the politician who stood up in the Aussie parliament and said "I'm a country member...".

at which point a member of the opposition interjected with "I remember.." :2guns: