Govt-owes-us-a-living types

[Slorider]

Trying to validate theft in order to 'feed the whanau' and blaming the govt for 'd.i.c' charges because it affects their ability to provide,unbeleiveable!Well we certainly had many distressfull times financialy growing up (and still do) when there was little to choose from (sometimes porridge for tea) but we never went out stealing and dad shot the odd rabbit and deer in order to help us get by and nor did my folks drink/smoke.The conversation then turned to the guy who burgled the golf club and was shot,this went downhill very quickly when I didn't agree.Apparently that was his cuzz who was 'just trying to feed the whanau'.Ive had enough of maori and intend avoiding them and their backward mentality-cant even disagree without them near on losing it physically.I believe we have totally differen't mindsets,like chalk n cheese-if only they evolved and stopped reverting to the reptillia part of their brain to resolve situation's we could really be 'bro's'......in the mean time I wont be lowering my (basic) standards in order to get on and nor do I wish to be the subject of intimidation and disrespectfull behaviour because im white and see things differently-that's all I can put it down to anyway..........no wonder the majority of my family don't intergrate with them what so ever,smart ppl!

[JimO]

its cos u stole our land

[haydes55]

You said the M word oooohhhh that's racist

[Bald Eagle]

its cos u stole our land

Whitey paid you a fair price and now he's paying a hugely inflated price to give it back to you. Think you did well both times. FFS build a bridge

Sent from my LG-P768 using Tapatalk

[unstuck]

I have just put a stop to working on shearers vehicles because I am fed up with all the excuses for them not paying up. No trouble for a fella to spend $600 on piss and pokies, in one night, but then get all upset and bent out of shape when you charge them $20pr hr for fixing their shitty vehicles. Fuck em, I have left a heap of their shit out on the road, king quad, old dirtbikes and an old ute and van ect. FUCK EM. The rasicim from some of the bros down here from Taumaranui is fuckin sickening, the white man is why they are so fucked up APPARENTLY, FUCK EM.:motu:

[skippa1]

Whitey paid you a fair price and now he's paying a hugely inflated price to give it back to you. Think you did well both times. FFS build a bridge

Sent from my LG-P768 using Tapatalk
Just inflation

[wharekura]

Whitey paid you a fair price and now he's paying a hugely inflated price to give it back to you.
And Tainui gifting land back to HCC - ironic.

[wharekura]

...the white man is why they are so fucked up APPARENTLY, FUCK EM.:motu:
Who? The white man?

[wharekura]

You said the M word oooohhhh that's racist
Mana-Internet? Now there's a bridging of peoples in an odd sort of way.

[unstuck]

Who? The white man?

Fuck em all, were all fucked in the head.:ar15:

[R650R]

Trying to validate theft in order to 'feed the whanau' and blaming the govt for 'd.i.c' charges because it affects their ability to provide,unbeleiveable!Well we certainly had many distressfull times financialy growing up (and still do) when there was little to choose from (sometimes porridge for tea) but we never went out stealing and dad shot the odd rabbit and deer in order to help us get by and nor did my folks drink/smoke.The conversation then turned to the guy who burgled the golf club and was shot,this went downhill very quickly when I didn't agree.Apparently that was his cuzz who was 'just trying to feed the whanau'.Ive had enough of maori and intend avoiding them and their backward mentality-cant even disagree without them near on losing it physically.I believe we have totally differen't mindsets,like chalk n cheese-if only they evolved and stopped reverting to the reptillia part of their brain to resolve situation's we could really be 'bro's'......in the mean time I wont be lowering my (basic) standards in order to get on and nor do I wish to be the subject of intimidation and disrespectfull behaviour because im white and see things differently-that's all I can put it down to anyway..........no wonder the majority of my family don't intergrate with them what so ever,smart ppl!

You should change your thread title to the appropriately chosen race in your eyes then.
As a pakeha I know plenty of Pakehas that fit that description, which sadly includes several relatives.
One of them recently must have forgotten about the last time he told to FO and turned up trying to weasel back in. He waited till back out in road then him and matey started mouthing some uintelligble Feralous Whiteous ramblings...
BTW the case you mention I know through work one of the relatives and have spoken to on odd occasion. He's at other end with successful business so its about personal choices not race.

[MIXONE]

It's not the colour of the skin man,it's the attitude to life.Plenty from all races and backgrounds could fit your rave.
I grew up in Whakatane and didn't learn about racism until I moved to Auckland!

[nodrog]

Fuckin whinging honkies

[oldrider]

Mana-Internet? Now there's a bridging of peoples in an odd sort of way.

Is that the historic "bridge to nowhere" I keep hearing about? :confused:

[Banditbandit]

Ive had enough of maori and intend avoiding them and their backward mentality-cant even disagree without them near on losing it physically.I believe we have totally differen't mindsets,like chalk n cheese-if only they evolved and stopped reverting to the reptillia part of their brain to resolve situation's we could really be 'bro's'......in the mean time I wont be lowering my (basic) standards in order to get on and nor do I wish to be the subject of intimidation and disrespectfull behaviour because im white and see things differently-that's all I can put it down to anyway..........no wonder the majority of my family don't intergrate with them what so ever,smart ppl!

Kia ora e hoa. He mea nui tēnā.

What about the Māori who agree with you???



its cos u stole our land


Whitey paid you a fair price and now he's paying a hugely inflated price to give it back to you. Think you did well both times. FFS build a bridge

Sent from my LG-P768 using Tapatalk


Not all of it - there was huge amounts of confiscations ... and demonstrably wrong confiscations - such as calling Tuhoe "rebels" which they may well have been - but no-one wanted Te Uruwera - so land belonging other iwi was confiscated .. iwi who were not rebels then (but guess what angry people become???)

Waikato was deliberately attacked - and when they fought back they were declared "rebels" and land was confiscated ...

The peaceful village of Parihaka was invaded by troops - the troops were met by women and children bearing food and flowers for the soldiers .. they were ridden down by the troops, the village sacked .. the women raped ...

We have a bloody history - just like all other groups of people ..


Should we turn our back on our Pākehā relations because we've had enough of them ??? No - we did not do that.


You are wrong to label a whole ethnic culture like that - there are just as many Pākehā who think they are owed a living ... and some of us Māori just get jobs and work .. like the rest of us living together in this land.

[Ulsterkiwi]

Kia ora e hoa. He mea nui tēnā.

What about the Māori who agree with you???







Not all of it - there was huge amounts of confiscations ... and demonstrably wrong confiscations - such as calling Tuhoe "rebels" which they may well have been - but no-one wanted Te Uruwera - so land belonging other iwi was confiscated .. iwi who were not rebels then (but guess what angry people become???)

Waikato was deliberately attacked - and when they fought back they were declared "rebels" and land was confiscated ...

The peaceful village of Parihaka was invaded by troops - the troops were met by women and children bearing food and flowers for the soldiers .. they were ridden down by the troops, the village sacked .. the women raped ...

We have a bloody history - just like all other groups of people ..


Should we turn our back on our Pākehā relations because we've had enough of them ??? No - we did not do that.


You are wrong to label a whole ethnic culture like that - there are just as many Pākehā who think they are owed a living ... and some of us Māori just get jobs and work .. like the rest of us living together in this land.


Not that you need my approval, but that was a good post. Nice to see the occasional one which is underscored by some fact and coherent thought.

[mstriumph]

Trying to validate theft in order to 'feed the whanau' and blaming the govt for 'd.i.c' charges because it affects their ability to provide,unbeleiveable!Well we certainly had many distressfull times financialy growing up (and still do) when there was little to choose from (sometimes porridge for tea) but we never went out stealing and dad shot the odd rabbit and deer in order to help us get by and nor did my folks drink/smoke.The conversation then turned to the guy who burgled the golf club and was shot,this went downhill very quickly when I didn't agree.Apparently that was his cuzz who was 'just trying to feed the whanau'.Ive had enough of maori and intend avoiding them and their backward mentality-cant even disagree without them near on losing it physically.I believe we have totally differen't mindsets,like chalk n cheese-if only they evolved and stopped reverting to the reptillia part of their brain to resolve situation's we could really be 'bro's'......in the mean time I wont be lowering my (basic) standards in order to get on and nor do I wish to be the subject of intimidation and disrespectfull behaviour because im white and see things differently-that's all I can put it down to anyway..........no wonder the majority of my family don't intergrate with them what so ever,smart ppl!

My whanau includes Maori among others (we are an ethically-diverse lot). Some of us are good, some of us are better - we mostly all work (and, incidentally, can all spell and punctuate correctly - please feel free to take that anyway you want).

However, the main thing common to all of us is that we don't blacken everyone in other families, races or other grouping just because some of them behave badly (because that's what bigots, idiots and arseholes do ... and you can take THAT any way you like, too:blip:)

[Big Dog]

Not all Maori are feral, not all Gerald are Maori.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[sil3nt]

And Tainui gifting land back to HCC - ironic.Land that needs hundreds of thousands spent on it before it can become usable. Thanks Tainui!

[wharekura]

Land that needs hundreds of thousands spent on it before it can become usable. Thanks Tainui!
Typical. Give people something for nothing and they still moan and bitch

I suppose that would be the same as RCC giving Lake Rotorua back polluted.


:lol:

[wharekura]

Not all of it - there was huge amounts of confiscations ...
Please keep to uneducated banter so ppl like me can understand. And stop making sense. Next you will have people agreeing with you! :mad:

[Akzle]

no one owes me anything.

Until they impose untenable conditions against me.
They create the debt, they must provide the remedy.

[Blackbird]

It's not the colour of the skin man,it's the attitude to life.Plenty from all races and backgrounds could fit your rave.
I grew up in Whakatane and didn't learn about racism until I moved to Auckland!

Spot on :2thumbsup

I came to Tokoroa from the UK in 1975. Just about every race was represented there but you didn't really notice as everyone was there to make a buck and all pitched in socially.

[Robert Taylor]

Whitey paid you a fair price and now he's paying a hugely inflated price to give it back to you. Think you did well both times. FFS build a bridge

Sent from my LG-P768 using Tapatalk

Yep,

How many times have we had ''full and final treaty settlements''? Only for a top up settlement to follow a decade or two later

How many of these so called Maoris have more European blood than Maori? How can they live with 60% or more of their blood ''oppressing'' the other 40% or less of their bloodstream?

How many of these ''oppressed peoples'' came from tribes that invaded and slaughtered ( and often ate ) other tribal groups? Are the remaining survivors of those slaughtered tribes going to get settlements with top ups in perpetuity? ( There were likely more Maoris slaughtered by tribal warfare than what the white man was responsible for )

The hypocrisy is breathtaking.

I have two grandchildren that are part Maori. They are being bought up as New Zealanders and that the world does not owe them a living from the annals of history. And often the misinterpretations / distortions of, purely for pecuniary gain.

[Ocean1]

we are an ethically-diverse lot


and, incidentally, can all spell and punctuate correctly

I'm sure there's room for a bunch of gender related inyouendo there, but I'll restrain myself to pondering the apparent contradiction.


For now.

[Kickaha]

The peaceful village of Parihaka was invaded by troops - the troops were met by women and children bearing food and flowers for the soldiers .. they were ridden down by the troops, the village sacked .. the women raped ..

I've read quite a few articles about Parihaka from different sources, I've yet to see one mention anyone being "ridden down" except for one child losing a toe when it was stood on by a horse

[Akzle]

purely for pecuniary gain.

thats why everyone plays the game, innit.

Dem murrays just a bit smarter dan youse cracker fullaz, hit da gews up on some contractual shit, rather than just head-down-ass-up-pass-the-vaseline taxation routine teh govt imposes.
Back to work, pleb.

[jellywrestler]

You said the M word oooohhhh that's racist

david attenborough, they're 'the Mud People'

[mstriumph]

I'm sure there's room for a bunch of gender related inyouendo there, but I'll restrain myself to pondering the apparent contradiction.


For now.

;) no contradiction ... just playing with your head (well, HIS head, actually ... lol)

[BuzzardNZ]

david attenborough, they're 'the Mud People'

I think when he said that, he was referring to the Filipinos.

[badlieutenant]

thread title should be "Noise"

[wharekura]

...are part Maori. They are being bought up as New Zealanders
Is there anything wrong with also bringing them up knowing their Maori heritage too? The misses a proud chch women, wont let me forget her hometown when it comes Chiefs vs Crusaders. And her kin from Lyttelton port.

[sidecar bob]

What the fuck is a Pakeha you racist cunts? Its the white equivalent of Nigger, only worse. My ethnicity is not described by derogatory racist Maori terminoligy.

[Akzle]

What the fuck is a Pakeha you racist cunts? Its the white equivalent of Nigger, only worse. My ethnicity is not described by derogatory racist Maori terminoligy.

a pakeha is a non-maori.

i think you're confused with palangi. which is a) samoan and b) not actually offensive either.

but feel free to keep your nose out of joint. douche.

[wharekura]

What the fuck is a Pakeha you racist cunts?
someone forgot their morning coffee - got punched in the head by a Maori fella when u were young or something?

[FJRider]

... My ethnicity is not described by derogatory racist Maori terminoligy.

But your beliefs and attitudes may be may be ...

And unless you are fluent in the Maori language ... you are hardly in a position to comment on it's English translation.



Take a read ...

http://sayit.co.nz/blog/it-insulting-be-called-pakeha

[Ocean1]

What the fuck is a Pakeha you racist cunts? Its the white equivalent of Nigger, only worse. My ethnicity is not described by derogatory racist Maori terminoligy.

I looked. Most authoritative reference I found was this: http://maorinews.com/writings/papers/other/pakeha.htm

Which, while no doubt accurate, (and appearing to rule out original derogatory intent) doesn't account for cultural drift. In other words it's as derogatory as it's currently interpreted to be.

And given that "Nigger" was originally entirely innocent the group so described obviously get to be as offended as they see fit, regardless of aetiology.

Meh, I've got better things to be offended about.

[FJRider]

I looked. Most authoritative reference I found was this: http://maorinews.com/writings/papers/other/pakeha.htm

Which, while no doubt accurate, (and appearing to rule out original derogatory intent) doesn't account for cultural drift. In other words it's as derogatory as it's currently interpreted to be.

And given that "Nigger" was originally entirely innocent the group so described obviously get to be as offended as they see fit, regardless of aetiology.

Meh, I've got better things to be offended about.

Feeling gay ... now has an entirely different interpretation as well :laugh:

Political correctness now seems we/some are not allowed to be offended. But ... we/some don't mind in the least ... if we/some offend others ...

Funny that ... :killingme

[skippa1]

Kia ora e hoa. He mea nui tēnā.

What about the Māori who agree with you???







Not all of it - there was huge amounts of confiscations ... and demonstrably wrong confiscations - such as calling Tuhoe "rebels" which they may well have been - but no-one wanted Te Uruwera - so land belonging other iwi was confiscated .. iwi who were not rebels then (but guess what angry people become???)

Waikato was deliberately attacked - and when they fought back they were declared "rebels" and land was confiscated ...

The peaceful village of Parihaka was invaded by troops - the troops were met by women and children bearing food and flowers for the soldiers .. they were ridden down by the troops, the village sacked .. the women raped ...

We have a bloody history - just like all other groups of people ..


Should we turn our back on our Pākehā relations because we've had enough of them ??? No - we did not do that.


You are wrong to label a whole ethnic culture like that - there are just as many Pākehā who think they are owed a living ... and some of us Māori just get jobs and work .. like the rest of us living together in this land.
Bling sent

[Robert Taylor]

thats why everyone plays the game, innit.

Dem murrays just a bit smarter dan youse cracker fullaz, hit da gews up on some contractual shit, rather than just head-down-ass-up-pass-the-vaseline taxation routine teh govt imposes.
Back to work, pleb.

It would help if you could put a sentence together in the Queens English rather than bastardising it.

[Akzle]

It would help if you could put a sentence together in the Queens English rather than bastardising it.

evidently it wouldn't. you're not to change your mind at any rate.

[oldrider]

What the fuck is a Pakeha? Me! ... No problem! :oi-grr: . No problem at all! :niceone: . I cross off European! :kick: and leave New Zealand. :yes:

[mstriumph]

It would help if you could put a sentence together in the Queens English rather than bastardising it.

Hush now, he only does it to tease ...;)

[mstriumph]

Me! ... No problem! :oi-grr: . No problem at all! :niceone: . I cross off European! :kick: and leave New Zealand. :yes:

Pakeha? Meh....I get annoyed by people who call me 'white'
I am a MUCH more interesting colour than that.

[Shaun Harris]

its cos u stole our land




But you stole it first of the people eaters

[SMOKEU]

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/22/22405abe0b88a0918e3cd29829f7d16d1ef546b1b0ab703b9d 9ac5edfbf1a96b.jpg

[unstuck]

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-chX0Jk6uKmuxb0RjYGkc2q7wQN-oJflLARjvYMiVcDYw8sO7

Fucken smarten up dude.

[ellipsis]

...I still cant get over those Roman bastards stealing Gaul...olive skinned cunts...

[sidecar bob]

But your beliefs and attitudes may be may be ...

And unless you are fluent in the Maori language ... you are hardly in a position to comment on it's English translation.



Take a read ...

http://sayit.co.nz/blog/it-insulting-be-called-pakeha

Im hardly likley to bother becoming fluent in a language that lacks several words I need to use multiple times a day, namely Please & Thankyou, although oddly enough it does have a word for Motorbike (what a fuckin joke)
And yeah, re the link, typical maori changing history around to suit themselves. Ever heard whats in the Waipoua Forest? Yep, untold evidence of pre Maori European settlement. Also notice it catches fire every so often too?
Forbidden history.
Heres a link. Enjoy.

http://www.everythingiselectric.com/new-zealand/waipoua-forest-stone-city.html

[FJRider]

Im hardly likley to bother becoming fluent in a language that lacks several words I need to use multiple times a day, namely Please & Thankyou, although oddly enough it does have a word for Motorbike (what a fuckin joke)
And yeah, re the link, typical maori changing history around to suit themselves. Ever heard whats in the Waipoua Forest? Yep, untold evidence of pre Maori European settlement. Also notice it catches fire every so often too?

There are plenty of newly added words in the English language ... that have been included in each new edition of most English dictionary's. The English language changes and adapts (is there a Maori word for Computer .. ?? ) ... meanings of words change. Why shouldn't the Maori language change and adapt too .. ???
If you are not familiar with ... and don't wish to learn the language (any language) ... why should you care if a few words do not have a plain and simple translation .. ???

Not all languages have a word with similar meanings to all English words. And not ALL English speakers say please and thank you. I wonder if to some .. it was actually ever taught ;) And some to whom it WAS taught ... only use it when it suits them. Do you use both all the time .. ??? Even without using those exact words ... I bet you could use a phrase that means exactly the same. (and still be polite)

Even the English language is a mixture of many "borrowed" words from other languages and cultures. Some of which .. not even still used in commonly spoken every day use. (How many learned Latin in high school and still use it.. ?? apart from a few church members and scholars ... few I bet)

There are plenty of examples in New Zealand history. What actually happened ... as opposed to what version was "Written" in history ... of the same event. Whose version do you believe .. ??

[Robert Taylor]

There are plenty of newly added words in the English language ... that have been included in each new edition of most English dictionary's. The English language changes and adapts (is there a Maori word for Computer .. ?? ) ... meanings of words change. Why shouldn't the Maori language change and adapt too .. ???
If you are not familiar with ... and don't wish to learn the language (any language) ... why should you care if a few words do not have a plain and simple translation .. ???

Not all languages have a word with similar meanings to all English words. And not ALL English speakers say please and thank you. I wonder if to some .. it was actually ever taught ;) And some to whom it WAS taught ... only use it when it suits them. Do you use both all the time .. ??? Even without using those exact words ... I bet you could use a phrase that means exactly the same. (and still be polite)

Even the English language is a mixture of many "borrowed" words from other languages and cultures. Some of which .. not even still used in commonly spoken every day use. (How many learned Latin in high school and still use it.. ?? apart from a few church members and scholars ... few I bet)

There are plenty of examples in New Zealand history. What actually happened ... as opposed to what version was "Written" in history ... of the same event. Whose version do you believe .. ??

The version of history that best serves those with their hands out ( even though many are likely 60-70% European or more ) is what is believed. Lawyers are of course also making a fat living out of this scam.

[Akzle]

Lawyers are of course also making a fat living out of this scam.

those damn black bastards!
Of course, the rest of the jewdiciary are doing it for charity, to make society a better place and what not.

[FJRider]

The version of history that best serves those with their hands out ( even though many are likely 60-70% European or more ) is what is believed. Lawyers are of course also making a fat living out of this scam.

The version of History (or events) that best serves (Period)

Few family tree's are pure ... in any culture or race. But that wont ever change history.

[R650R]

The version of history that best serves those with their hands out ( even though many are likely 60-70% European or more ) is what is believed. Lawyers are of course also making a fat living out of this scam.

Just remember those clever Maoris are getting paid out due to the Pakehas incompetence or did the Elite plan it this way all along.
Because as long as people like you Robert are obsessed with what 'they' are getting we are not holding to account our political leaders for all the stuff their not fixing.
Divide and Conquer, the oldest ruse in the book.
Really the crown stuffed up the whole deal from the start including the lesser known fact that not all tribes signed the treaty.
Even at a billion dollars in payouts its still cheaper than the cost of fighting a counter insurgency operation against rebels like in other nations where indigenous populations are suppressed or pushed aside.
I don't mind the payouts if it means we all live in peace and don't have to worry about stepping on landmines etc...
NZ Geographic mag had a good honest write up recently leading up to the Tuhoe deal, lots of info we're never taught in school....

[Robert Taylor]

Just remember those clever Maoris are getting paid out due to the Pakehas incompetence or did the Elite plan it this way all along.
Because as long as people like you Robert are obsessed with what 'they' are getting we are not holding to account our political leaders for all the stuff their not fixing.
Divide and Conquer, the oldest ruse in the book.
Really the crown stuffed up the whole deal from the start including the lesser known fact that not all tribes signed the treaty.
Even at a billion dollars in payouts its still cheaper than the cost of fighting a counter insurgency operation against rebels like in other nations where indigenous populations are suppressed or pushed aside.
I don't mind the payouts if it means we all live in peace and don't have to worry about stepping on landmines etc...
NZ Geographic mag had a good honest write up recently leading up to the Tuhoe deal, lots of info we're never taught in school....

Yes good points that you have raised.

But the hypocrisy ( one of many from all quarters ) is that they are not Maoris. They are only part Maori and I would hazard that percentage of Euro blood well exceeds Maori blood.

[Slorider]

Another nigger on the lose after robbery gone wrong ends in murder at an Auckland dairy today-HANG the useless good for nothing pos......sadly my prediction will be revealed true once the offenders description is released-who else does this kind of crap,fkn sik of it-NO excuses and no need for it and yet another reason to steer clear of any association of coons as much as possible-their nothing but trouble bar the respectfull ones who do the right thing in life,they lifted their game and left the stone age long ago

[Banditbandit]

Yes good points that you have raised.

But the hypocrisy ( one of many from all quarters ) is that they are not Maoris. They are only part Maori and I would hazard that percentage of Euro blood well exceeds Maori blood.

Cool ... so it's the white blood that makes them crims then ???

[Akzle]

Cool ... so it's the white blood that makes them crims then ???

itjewsially is.

[jasonu]

a pakeha is a non-maori.

i think you're confused with palangi. which is a) samoan and b) not actually offensive either.

but feel free to keep your nose out of joint. douche.

Palangi means white pig according to my tech drawing teacher at MAGS.

[Maki]

NZ is backward and racist. Anyone who doubts those words, please read this thread.

If you still doubt these words, look at the wording for the NZ census. There is a race option there called European New Zealander. There is however no option for Asian New Zealander, African New Zealander, etc. Clearly biased and racist.

You still think NZ is not racist? Try doing anything in NZ. You can not move an inch without declaring on some form or other what your race is.

If you ask me, it is disgusting and we should put this race garbage behind us once and for all. I would forbid any question regarding race on any form whatsoever if I where in charge of this country. It is time to get over it.

[Akzle]

There is however no option for Asian New Zealander, African New Zealander, etc. Clearly biased and racist.


asian isnt a race, and africa is a country. You racist.

[MisterD]

NZ is backward and racist.

NZ is parochial and xenophobic, which is almost but not quite, the same thing.



If you still doubt these words, look at the wording for the NZ census. There is a race option there called European New Zealander. There is however no option for Asian New Zealander, African New Zealander, etc. Clearly biased and racist.

However, just because the form gives the top five (or whatever) most likely options, it doesn't make it "racist".

What is racist, is the different perception of my 5th-generation white Kiwi missus, and her 5th-generation Chinese Kiwi mate.

[Robert Taylor]

Cool ... so it's the white blood that makes them crims then ???

I prefer the idea of being colour blind and I think Makis post sums up the situation really well.

What is criminal is the racism and hypocricy that is being practiced by people of mixed blood and the lawyers ( a good many 100% European ) having a feast off the constant ''full and final treaty settlements''. PARASITES.

Taxpayers of all races are funding this nonsense

[FJRider]

asian isnt a race, and africa is a country. You racist.

Asian is just as much a race as "Coloured" ... Nationality of said (either) races are entirely a different thing ..

Africa is a Continent ... South Africa is a country.

[FJRider]

I prefer the idea of being colour blind

It must be a bitch for you at the traffic lights ... :laugh:


What is criminal is the racism and hypocricy that is being practiced by people of mixed blood and the lawyers ( a good many 100% European ) having a feast off the constant ''full and final treaty settlements''. PARASITES.

But being WHITE does have it's benefits ... right .. ???

Are you assuming there are NO mixed blood Lawyers .. ???


Taxpayers of all races are funding this nonsense

Move to Australia ... Things are so different there ... Oh wait !! ...

Perhaps the USA ... mmmmm .. maybe not ...

[haydes55]

Maori, in most cases get free tertiary study, guaranteed acceptance into uni, free $10,000 business kick start funding for viable businesses, larger fishing quotas for profit and numerous other perks of being born with the special blood mix.

All these benefits and opportunities which are not provided to any other race, yet they still manage to be over represented in crime statistics, especially violence. Ever think that maybe if their every demand wasn't pandered to, they might just accept they are equals, not greater. They might work for what they want, instead of demand what they want and get it, or when they don't get it, forcefully take it.

I'm white, because of the colour of my skin, the government says I'm the wrong colour to get free uni, I'm not the prefered race to get business funding, I'm not gaining any land/dividends from stuff stolen from my great great grand parents.

I'm white, I'm part of the most discriminated race in New Zealand today. There is no ministry for my affairs, there is no one in government fighting that I am allowed the same opportunity as the baby born in the hospital bed beside mine.

The past is the past, it's been several generations since any apartheid-ish policy has been in force in NZ, and apparently 2 wrongs make a right. By oppressing the white man, somehow that makes dead peoples unfair lives, now fair.

[Akzle]

Asian is just as much a race as "Coloured" ... Nationality of said (either) races are entirely a different thing ..

Africa is a Continent ... South Africa is a country.
coloured isnt a race, either.

but yeah. cuntry, cuntinent, whatever, it aint a race. there's no "african race" as there's no "azn race"

[swarfie]

Maori, in most cases get free tertiary study, guaranteed acceptance into uni, free $10,000 business kick start funding for viable businesses, larger fishing quotas for profit and numerous other perks of being born with the special blood mix.

All these benefits and opportunities which are not provided to any other race, yet they still manage to be over represented in crime statistics, especially violence. Ever think that maybe if their every demand wasn't pandered to, they might just accept they are equals, not greater. They might work for what they want, instead of demand what they want and get it, or when they don't get it, forcefully take it.

I'm white, because of the colour of my skin, the government says I'm the wrong colour to get free uni, I'm not the prefered race to get business funding, I'm not gaining any land/dividends from stuff stolen from my great great grand parents.

I'm white, I'm part of the most discriminated race in New Zealand today. There is no ministry for my affairs, there is no one in government fighting that I am allowed the same opportunity as the baby born in the hospital bed beside mine.

The past is the past, it's been several generations since any apartheid-ish policy has been in force in NZ, and apparently 2 wrongs make a right. By oppressing the white man, somehow that makes dead peoples unfair lives, now fair.

Well said that man. Completely agree with ALL that you stated. I am also a hard working European Kiwi (fourth generation kiwi) and although I don't consider myself too racist (some would disagree) I'm bloody working on it. If anybody is being racist IMO it's our brown brothers and like so many whitey's I know, we're getting heartily sick of it. No more free money I say!

[Drew]

Maori, in most cases get free tertiary study, guaranteed acceptance into uni, free $10,000 business kick start funding for viable businesses, larger fishing quotas for profit and numerous other perks of being born with the special blood mix.

All these benefits and opportunities which are not provided to any other race, yet they still manage to be over represented in crime statistics, especially violence. Ever think that maybe if their every demand wasn't pandered to, they might just accept they are equals, not greater. They might work for what they want, instead of demand what they want and get it, or when they don't get it, forcefully take it.

I'm white, because of the colour of my skin, the government says I'm the wrong colour to get free uni, I'm not the prefered race to get business funding, I'm not gaining any land/dividends from stuff stolen from my great great grand parents.

I'm white, I'm part of the most discriminated race in New Zealand today. There is no ministry for my affairs, there is no one in government fighting that I am allowed the same opportunity as the baby born in the hospital bed beside mine.

The past is the past, it's been several generations since any apartheid-ish policy has been in force in NZ, and apparently 2 wrongs make a right. By oppressing the white man, somehow that makes dead peoples unfair lives, now fair.
There is nothing to add to this. Well said!

[pritch]

I've read quite a few articles about Parihaka from different sources, I've yet to see one mention anyone being "ridden down" except for one child losing a toe when it was stood on by a horse

I have a copy of Cowan here, and although I haven't read it of late, the one child detail is correct as I recall. To my knowledge this was not because he was "ridden down"
more to do with having lots of horses and kids in close proximity. The rape story is new and almost up there with the TV3 reference to "the massacre at Parihaka" a few years back.

TV3 had the good grace to apologise quickly.

The identity of the boy injured at Parihaka was not unknown, he grew up to be Sir Maui Wiremu Pita Naera Pomare KBE CMG

[R650R]

I'm white, because of the colour of my skin, the government says I'm the wrong colour to get free uni, I'm not the prefered race to get business funding



Well if one of my best mates from high school was any whiter he'd be a ghost. From a broken family on DPB and state house etc he ended up getting scholarship for uni as he studied hard. Yes there are added options for maori but this lil skinny white kid did his homework and got there. Then he was top of class at UNI at got flown to job interviews by prospective employers.
ALL because of what HE did and how hard HE studied.

[haydes55]

Well if one of my best mates from high school was any whiter he'd be a ghost. From a broken family on DPB and state house etc he ended up getting scholarship for uni as he studied hard. Yes there are added options for maori but this lil skinny white kid did his homework and got there. Then he was top of class at UNI at got flown to job interviews by prospective employers.

ALL because of what HE did and how hard HE studied.


Exactly, no matter how hard this hard working white boy worked, he is banned from getting scholarships based on is race. Look at uni, you can see loads of people of all races, I wasn't saying that white people are being blocked from uni. I'm saying a white person who works a bit harder and is a bit smarter than a Maori student, will be rejected from uni to give up their seat for a Maori. A white person can't apply for every scholarship, a Maori can apply for every scholarship. A Maori can get into uni without even earning university entrance, a white person can get rejected from uni even with university entrance. Universities have a minimum percentage of Maori students in most papers. Pass rates are supposed to follow those percentages as well, for example, a Maori med student in their final exam to become a Dr. Only needs to be 70% correct to pass. Whereas any other race needs to score 80%.

Racial discrimination is, by definition, providing a benefit, or rejecting benefits to one or several groups, based on their race. Rejecting benefits to someone because they are white, us racial discrimination. I'd love to see someone fight for their rights to have a Maori perk in court, claiming their right to be free from racial discrimination as outlined in the bill of rights.

[Shadowjack]

...blah, blah blah...I'm white, because of the colour of my skin, the government says I'm the wrong colour to get free uni, I'm not the prefered race to get business funding, I'm not gaining any land/dividends from stuff stolen from my great great grand parents.

I'm white, I'm part of the most discriminated race in New Zealand today. There is no ministry for my affairs, there is no one in government fighting that I am allowed the same opportunity as the baby born in the hospital bed beside mine.

The past is the past, it's been several generations since any apartheid-ish policy has been in force in NZ, and apparently 2 wrongs make a right. By oppressing the white man, somehow that makes dead peoples unfair lives, now fair...and so on and so forth...

Let me see if I have this right:
The system in NZ, oppressing the white man...
We live in a country where the governance, judicial, educational, and most other social systems are based around a Western/Euro-centric norm, run for, by , and of mostly Western/Eurocentric folks for almost 200 years.
The whole system is set up to look after you, and you're saying that it's not working for you?

[unstuck]

Let me see if I have this right:
The system in NZ, oppressing the white man...
We live in a country where the governance, judicial, educational, and most other social systems are based around a Western/Euro-centric norm, run for, by , and of mostly Western/Eurocentric folks for almost 200 years.
The whole system is set up to look after you, and you're saying that it's not working for you?

Some people will cry about any old thing.:innocent:

[haydes55]

Let me see if I have this right:

The system in NZ, oppressing the white man...

We live in a country where the governance, judicial, educational, and most other social systems are based around a Western/Euro-centric norm, run for, by , and of mostly Western/Eurocentric folks for almost 200 years.

The whole system is set up to look after you, and you're saying that it's not working for you?


The colour of their skin effects their judgement how? I'm not a rich old man either, the system isn't set up for me. The system wasn't set up by me and I don't like everything about the system either. There are laws, which were the laws when I was born, the same as when a Maori boy was born the same day as me.

I'm expected to follow the same laws, and I expect the same punishment as a Maori if/when those laws are broken. The judicial system has a little thing called precedent, it means in similar cases, the decision has to be similar if not same, regardless of whether you were born of the chosen race or if you are white. If the judicial system is hard on someone, then blame their lawyer, get a new legal aid one and go to the court of appeals.

You can't claim the judicial system isn't designed to work for Maori culture. We've all seen the news stories where a Maori beats their kids to death then their family protects them and doesn't tell the police. Is that their culture? When you witness a murder just carry on with life? How about ancient Maori culture? Kill them and eat them if they piss you off? Maori people historically had no resolution system in place, disputes were settled by violence and a fair trial was unheard of until whitey came.

Try a different argument cause that's plain bullshit and you know it.

[haydes55]

Let me see if I have this right:

The system in NZ, oppressing the white man...

We live in a country where the governance, judicial, educational, and most other social systems are based around a Western/Euro-centric norm, run for, by , and of mostly Western/Eurocentric folks for almost 200 years.

The whole system is set up to look after you, and you're saying that it's not working for you?


Sorry, I only disproved your weak argument of judicial bias. Education, as pointed out in my previous post is actually easier for Maori.

Governance is set up for Maori, ministry of Maori affairs, Maori only seats in parliament, Maori consultation for resource consents etc. Again, there are 166 (iirc) seats that Maori can run for, and only 160 (this is just a complete guess, I've forgotten how many seats Maori get) left over for every other ethnicity in NZ.

What other social system do you want to show is biased towards Maoris as well? Fisheries is biased towards Maori. Government jobs are biased in employing a percentage of Maori which often mean white people get rejected from jobs to let lower qualified Maori take the position (police for example hire based on race). Go into WINZ and apply for benefits, you get one on one time with a WINZ worker, if you're Maori, you can get an independent consultant to help you apply for benefits and tell you what benefits you can apply for (not sure if that is nationwide, but happened at Pukekohe WINZ). Have a stay in hospital, wait for a Maori person to walk in with a clip board, they will arrange childcare, transport for children to get to school, food parcels, help with rent etc.... If you are Maori.

But nooooo us whiteys are oppressing Maori. The most racist people in this country are Maori and politicians who allow it.

[Shadowjack]

The topic of this thread was Govt-owes-us-a-living types.

You're starting to sound like you think the Govt should be doing more for you. Why would you want to depend on the Govt for your wellbeing.

[R650R]

Governance is set up for Maori, ministry of Maori affairs, Maori only seats in parliament, Maori consultation for resource consents etc. Again, there are 166 (iirc) seats that Maori can run for, and only 160...

Have a stay in hospital, wait for a Maori person to walk in with a clip board, they will arrange childcare, transport for children to get to school, food parcels, help with rent etc.... If you are Maori.


So how's that chance at 166 seats in the house working out for Maori representation then? Last time I bothered to watch the circus there were bugger all Maori MPs in parliament....

When my pakeha Dad was in hospital with Cancer our pakeha family got all those things you mention. A social worker and the hospital staff arranged all the assistance options available, hospice accommodation, family accommodation and handicap parking permit etc... There were people from all backgrounds in that ward and nobody got any extra or any less...

[haydes55]

So how's that chance at 166 seats in the house working out for Maori representation then? Last time I bothered to watch the circus there were bugger all Maori MPs in parliament....



When my pakeha Dad was in hospital with Cancer our pakeha family got all those things you mention. A social worker and the hospital staff arranged all the assistance options available, hospice accommodation, family accommodation and handicap parking permit etc... There were people from all backgrounds in that ward and nobody got any extra or any less...


Could be due to less Maori actually caring about voting. Could be due to the Maori who are in parliament are only 1/16th maori and don't physically look dark.

I was talking with a man who was darker skinned, but not Maori, a young Maori man came into his ward in hospital, offered him anything and everything to help him, then asked what his tribe was... When he said he wasn't Maori, the guy left and he got nothing. The difference there was he wasn't terminal, everyone with a terminal illness gets a social worker to help, but if you are in there with a broken pelvis, good luck getting as much as a cheeseburger unless you're the special colour.

[Berries]

there's no "african race" as there's no "azn race"
It's the Amazing Race you disleksic twat.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/A0ak6ISnlFc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Maki]

The amazing racist

<object width="560" height="315"><param name="movie" value="//www.youtube.com/v/PWO7CMF5otY?version=3&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="//www.youtube.com/v/PWO7CMF5otY?version=3&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="560" height="315" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>

[Akzle]

Sorry, I only disproved your weak argument of judicial bias. Education, as pointed out in my previous post is actually easier for Maori.

Governance is set up for Maori, ministry of Maori affairs, Maori only seats in parliament, Maori consultation for resource consents etc. Again, there are 166 (iirc) seats that Maori can run for, and only 160 (this is just a complete guess, I've forgotten how many seats Maori get) left over for every other ethnicity in NZ.

What other social system do you want to show is biased towards Maoris as well? Fisheries is biased towards Maori. Government jobs are biased in employing a percentage of Maori which often mean white people get rejected from jobs to let lower qualified Maori take the position (police for example hire based on race). Go into WINZ and apply for benefits, you get one on one time with a WINZ worker, if you're Maori, you can get an independent consultant to help you apply for benefits and tell you what benefits you can apply for (not sure if that is nationwide, but happened at Pukekohe WINZ). Have a stay in hospital, wait for a Maori person to walk in with a clip board, they will arrange childcare, transport for children to get to school, food parcels, help with rent etc.... If you are Maori.

But nooooo us whiteys are oppressing Maori. The most racist people in this country are Maori and politicians who allow it.

take your white buddies, your white politicians, your white cops, your white society, AND FUCK OFF then.

[Banditbandit]

NZ is backward and racist. Anyone who doubts those words, please read this thread.

If you still doubt these words, look at the wording for the NZ census. There is a race option there called European New Zealander. There is however no option for Asian New Zealander, African New Zealander, etc. Clearly biased and racist.

You still think NZ is not racist? Try doing anything in NZ. You can not move an inch without declaring on some form or other what your race is.

If you ask me, it is disgusting and we should put this race garbage behind us once and for all. I would forbid any question regarding race on any form whatsoever if I where in charge of this country. It is time to get over it.

I'm inclined to agree with you.

"Race" is not a valid construct. There is no biological way to define the concept, as the genetic differences between groups of people are less than 1% of the genotype - which results in the differences in phenotype ...

As well, how is this very minor genetic variation significant? It does not affect intelligence, etc etc. The range of these things within what we term "race" is the same across all groups - with the addition that there is a very good argument that the hunter-gatherers and nomadic people are more intelligent that the European races. (It's not necessarily an argument I agree with, but it is amusing).

But why does skin colour, or eye colour, straightness of hair, etc etc matter? There's a whole bunch of racist history around, which should be consigned to history and we should all get over it ...

Culture - now there is something that does matter. But race? Forget it ..

[unstuck]

There's a whole bunch of racist history around, which should be consigned to history and we should all get over it ...

Culture - now there is something that does matter. But race? Forget it ..

:2thumbsup:rockon:

[Oscar]

take your white buddies, your white politicians, your white cops, your white society, AND FUCK OFF then.

Why don't you make us?

[haydes55]

take your white buddies, your white politicians, your white cops, your white society, AND FUCK OFF then.


Am I taking the Asian politicians, cops and friends with me? What about the Maori politicians and cops? How about the Africans? Should I invite the left handed politicians as well? What about the Scottish judges?

We can fuck of to NZ and carry on our life in a civilised matter while the Maori separatists can fuck off to their own grass huts and society where they solve every issue with violence. If you choose to join the separatist society, you are a very hard person to like, and with the traditional Maori judicial system you mightn't live long. Fuck, you mightn't even get a trial before they deal tour punishment, but that's how Maori want the judicial system to be like right?

[Robert Taylor]

take your white buddies, your white politicians, your white cops, your white society, AND FUCK OFF then.

Well , you've certainly given an insight into your pedigree given your offensive tone of voice.

If all of the Europeans depart then so should all the trappings of European civilisation that you have become so comfortable with, including your keyboard.

[Oscar]

If all of the Europeans depart then so should all the trappings of European civilistaion that you have become so comfortable with, including your keyboard.

To be fair, he does struggle to make himself understood, so the keyboard (or maybe the five years he spent in Standard Four) is failing him anyway...

[Robert Taylor]

Just a timely reminder why it's not cool to vote for any of the Left wing / racist parties in the forthcoming general election


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVOZnDsiCW8

[Robert Taylor]

To be fair, he does struggle to make himself understood, so the keyboard (or maybe the five years he spent in Standard Four) is failing him anyway...

Yes but they could have been the five best years of his life...............

[Oscar]

Yes but they could have been the five best years of his life...............

True, I'm pretty sure it was all down hill from there...

[jasonu]

Maori, in most cases get free tertiary study, guaranteed acceptance into uni, free $10,000 business kick start funding for viable businesses, larger fishing quotas for profit and numerous other perks of being born with the special blood mix.

All these benefits and opportunities which are not provided to any other race, yet they still manage to be over represented in crime statistics, especially violence. Ever think that maybe if their every demand wasn't pandered to, they might just accept they are equals, not greater. They might work for what they want, instead of demand what they want and get it, or when they don't get it, forcefully take it.

I'm white, because of the colour of my skin, the government says I'm the wrong colour to get free uni, I'm not the prefered race to get business funding, I'm not gaining any land/dividends from stuff stolen from my great great grand parents.

I'm white, I'm part of the most discriminated race in New Zealand today. There is no ministry for my affairs, there is no one in government fighting that I am allowed the same opportunity as the baby born in the hospital bed beside mine.

The past is the past, it's been several generations since any apartheid-ish policy has been in force in NZ, and apparently 2 wrongs make a right. By oppressing the white man, somehow that makes dead peoples unfair lives, now fair.

Right on!!!!!!

[pritch]

you disleksic twat.


Solid gold. :first:

[Akzle]

We can fuck of to NZ and carry on our life in a civilised matter while the Maori separatists can fuck off to their own grass huts and society where they solve every issue with violence. If you choose to join the separatist society, you are a very hard person to like, and with the traditional Maori judicial system you mightn't live long. Fuck, you mightn't even get a trial before they deal tour punishment, but that's how Maori want the judicial system to be like right?
you make assuptions.
Get your white govt and cop buddies to leave me the fuck alone, not inflict their "not separatist" society against me, and ill be sepapate as.


Well , you've certainly given an insight into your pedigree given your offensive tone of voice.

If all of the Europeans depart then so should all the trappings of European civilisation that you have become so comfortable with, including your keyboard.
my pedigree, young robert? Thats rich for someone so narrowminded as yourself. You have saxon heritage, innit?

Also an interesting theory, about "taking white shit back", ill agree, if whites give gunpowder back to the chinese, maize back to the indians, boat building back to the innuits and arabs.... (etc, the list is long)
Some fuken society youd be left with. Ignorant prat.

five years he spent in Standard Four

ahh. The failings of your education system.

[Banditbandit]

If all of the Europeans depart then so should all the trappings of European civilisation that you have become so comfortable with, including your keyboard.


Hmmm why ???? There are plenty of non-European countries that use the same stuff - we bought it just like you did. The capitalist system, which my Tipuna jumped into with both feet, as did many, doesn't discriminate as you do - it only discriminates on money - if you have it, you can have what you want - if you don't have it, you're fucked .. black/white/brown/green/yellow or sunburnt - money gets shit walks ...

And secondly, do you consider yourself a "European" ??? As in a person from Europe ???

[Banditbandit]

Also an interesting theory, about "taking white shit back", ill agree, if whites give gunpowder back to the chinese, maize back to the indians, boat building back to the innuits and arabs.... (etc, the list is long)


Yeah - go on, give Mathematics and Astronomy back to the Arabs ...

Writing back to the Sumerians (Iraq) the Chinese and the Mayans ...

Oooooo .. I know .. Harley Davidson can give motorcycles back to Daimler (Gottlieb Daimler did it!!!) Then the moving chicances might be better designed and built ..

[Oscar]

And secondly, do you consider yourself a "European" ??? As in a person from Europe ???

That's an interesting question - firstly we need to consider why that question is asked so much these days.
Sure if yer having a census, there is an academic requirement, I guess - but why do those doing opinion polls and the like ask it?

Then we have to look at the choices. I am a naturalised NZer, born in England of English, Scots, Irish and Jewish forebears.
Does that make me European? Yrup is a big place, home to many native cultures and a few diverse racial types.
The question makes me think:
Do Maori like being referred to as Polynesians?
Or Pacific Islanders?

Why is one choice so narrow, the other so wide?

I guess the question is actually trying to find out if I'm white.

[Oscar]

Yeah - go on, give Mathematics and Astronomy back to the Arabs ...

Writing back to the Sumerians (Iraq) the Chinese and the Mayans ...

Oooooo .. I know .. Harley Davidson can give motorcycles back to Daimler (Gottlieb Daimler did it!!!) Then the moving chicances might be better designed and built ..

Another interesting question.
Why are we happy to share in MOST of these advances?
Why do we tolerate the French and their bleating about the Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée for a process that the Romans gave them?
Ditto for the EU origin laws for food.

[Banditbandit]

That's an interesting question - firstly we need to consider why that question is asked so much these days.
Sure if yer having a census, there is an academic requirement, I guess - but why do those doing opinion polls and the like ask it?

Then we have to look at the choices. I am a naturalised NZer, born in England of English, Scots, Irish and Jewish forebears.
Does that make me European? Yrup is a big place, home to many native cultures and a few diverse racial types.
The question makes me think:
Do Maori like being referred to as Polynesians?
Or Pacific Islanders?

Why is one choice so narrow, the other so wide?

I guess the question is actually trying to find out if I'm white.

Thanks Oscar - I get all that ... and yes, in some situations we will accept being Polynesians ... Identity is a contextual thing ..


But no, the question was 1) not aimed at you and 2) not trying to find out if you, or Robert Taylor, are white ...

[Oscar]

Thanks Oscar - I get all that ... and yes, in some situations we will accept being Polynesians ... Identity is a contextual thing ..


But no, the question was 1) not aimed at you and 2) not trying to find out if you, or Robert Taylor, are white ...

I was musing, it wasn't apropos of your post.
It just amuses me that the people who word those questions get quite specific sometimes and then lump some people in with a whole continent.

[buggerit]

So how do they prove if you are a maori, and where do I apply?;)

[Akzle]

I guess the question is actually trying to find out if I'm white.

you are sofa king white, dont worry.

[Akzle]

So how do they prove if you are a maori, and where do I apply?;)

cock <9"?
Probably not :bleh:

[Oscar]

you are sofa king white, dont worry.

I was actually born with a Scots tan - I start out a shade of light blue and tan to white.

[Drew]

or Robert Taylor, are white ...Questioned or not, he's getting whiter by the day. Mofo needs to get outdoors more I reckon.

[Voltaire]

Another interesting question.
Why are we happy to share in MOST of these advances?
Why do we tolerate the French and their bleating about the Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée for a process that the Romans gave them?
Ditto for the EU origin laws for food.

Damn those French and their Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée, lets set up a thread on Rant and Rave...that'll fix them.:lol:

You should be over on ADV rider discussing airheads not wasting your life here....opps....:eek5:

[Robert Taylor]

Personally I am colour blind to the reality that I have two grandchildren with part Maori blood, the other part mostly European. I will be very concerned if as they grow they partake of the toxicity that we have increasingly in evidence that the white man owes ( for evermore ) the peoples that were here when NZ was discovered by Europeans. As to actually who was here first and what fate they suffered with no recompense is of course a subject that is conveniently sidelined.
Maybe I should claim back to the Swedish Government for pillaging and murder they committed against several of my Danish ancestors when Sweden had a large Scandinavian empire a few centuries back. Its a cultural thing that has scarred me!!!!
Like most people who dont accept this rort that is happening I have far more respect for those who get on with life, make their own way in the world and are an economic success by means that are fair and productive, rather than speculative or expecting taxpayer funded handouts. No rorts at any level or sector of society tolerated, as a clarification independent of race based rorts
The silly thing is that in respect of all of these multi million dollar settlements ( and future ''full and final'' settlements ) the people that really need the benefits are in fact getting little.
Those locked in a narrow minded attitude of the oppressed ( so called ) indigenous people and the evil white men may choose to call me and like minded people racist. I dont care about that and the reality is that an enormous number of ordinary everyday Kiwis of many ethnic backgrounds are increasingly concerned about this fraud that is happening
That a National Government is just as complicit in this nonsense is of major concern but the thought of a left wing grouping doesnt bear thinking about. Personally I think John Key should go to the country on the premise of instant termination of all settlements and some retrospective payback required ,rechanneled to those who need the help most, plus termination of all race based parliamentary seats and also of unelected and over represented Iwi in local body politics. People should be elected on merit, not colour.
If JK did this he would win by a landslide.

[Akzle]

People should be elected on merit,
If JK did this he would win by a landslide.

:not::not:
oh troll lord!

[Oscar]

Damn those French and their Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée, lets set up a thread on Rant and Rave...that'll fix them.:lol:

You should be over on ADV rider discussing airheads not wasting your life here....opps....:eek5:

Shuddup you...git over there and start an interesting thread then.

[haydes55]

The thing I really don't understand is..... Why are people who want total equality, called racists, and people who support racially biased legislation are racially sensitive?

Someone please explain to me how equal rights is racist?

[JimO]

anybody care to bet what flavour the two kids that killed the shopkeeper were, im picking they come from a long line of people who feel they are owed a living by the govt

[FJRider]

The thing I really don't understand is..... Why are people who want total equality, called racists, and people who support racially biased legislation are racially sensitive?

Someone please explain to me how equal rights is racist?

Simple ... We are ALL equal in law.

Although ...

1. Some ... are more equal than others ...

2. Some ... are more special than others ...

3. Some ... have more rights (and can/will tell you what they are) than others ...

Those that will argue 1. 2. & 3. .... are obviously raciest ...

[scrivy]

anybody care to bet what flavour the two kids that killed the shopkeeper were, im picking they come from a long line of people who feel they are owed a living by the govt

So if a Maori kills an Indian, is he racist, racially sensitive, racially selective, or after racial equality???
Got me fucked...........

[skippa1]

anybody care to bet what flavour the two kids that killed the shopkeeper were, im picking they come from a long line of people who feel they are owed a living by the govt
White trash then?

[haydes55]

So if a Maori kills an Indian, is he racist, racially sensitive, racially selective, or after racial equality???

Got me fucked...........


Actually a New Zealander killed a New Zealander.

[scrivy]

Actually a New Zealander killed a New Zealander.

Right! So they were both NZ citizens then???;):scratch:

[wharekura]

I thought this thread was about pensioners? How did race get into it.:girlfight:

[FJRider]

Personally I am colour blind to the reality that I have two grandchildren with part Maori blood, the other part mostly European. I will be very concerned if as they grow they partake of the toxicity that we have increasingly in evidence that the white man owes ( for evermore ) the peoples that were here when NZ was discovered by Europeans. As to actually who was here first and what fate they suffered with no recompense is of course a subject that is conveniently sidelined.

Get that colour blindness treated ... it's obviously bugging you as much as it is for us ...

The racial history of your grand children should be of little importance .. yet their possible future views seem to be bugging you. Have you no faith their parents will bring them up with your point of view in mind. You DID bring them up right ... didn't you .. ??


Maybe I should claim back to the Swedish Government for pillaging and murder they committed against several of my Danish ancestors when Sweden had a large Scandinavian empire a few centuries back. Its a cultural thing that has scarred me!!!!

Has the Swedish Government such a process open to you ... ??? and if they do ... that WOULD be your right.


Like most people who dont accept this rort that is happening I have far more respect for those who get on with life

Follow your own advice and get over it. The Settlements were through due process as written in New Zealand legislation. By elected (by the people) members or our Government.

If a larger proportion of the General public actually voted ... there might be changes. Many don't ... and all vying for election are aware of that.

If you want the system changed ... take more of a part of it ... and make a difference. Or is it not worth the effort ... or not worth trying .. ??




Those locked in a narrow minded attitude of the oppressed ( so called ) indigenous people and the evil white men may choose to call me and like minded people racist. I dont care about that and the reality is that an enormous number of ordinary everyday Kiwis of many ethnic backgrounds are increasingly concerned about this fraud that is happening

Obviously not enormous enough ... or the change you hope for would be realized.


People should be elected on merit, not colour.
If JK did this he would win by a landslide.

Some have funny ideas on how or why they should vote. But they DO vote .... as is their right. And a win is a win ...

A big change may happen if EVERY eligible person actually DID care to vote. You figure out why they didn't care ...

[haydes55]

Get that colour blindness treated ... it's obviously bugging you as much as it is for us

By elected (by the people) members or our Government.

If a larger proportion of the General public actually voted ... there might be changes. Many don't ... and all vying for election are aware of that.

If you want the system changed ... take more of a part of it ... and make a difference. Or is it not worth the effort ... or not worth trying .. ??





Obviously not enormous enough ... or the change you hope for would be realized.



Some have funny ideas on how or why they should vote. But they DO vote .... as is their right. And a win is a win ...

A big change may happen if EVERY eligible person actually DID care to vote. You figure out why they didn't care ...


The problem with voting for equality is, no politician makes it clear what their stance is on this issue. As soon as anyone says equal rights, the morons jump up and down screaming racism.

Helen Clarke said from the election she wanted to sort out all treaty claims, she won.... The majority voted for her to put an end to treaty claims.

John Key wanked on about bringing NZ back into a surplus.... Then gave all the foreshore and seabed to Maori etc.

I would love it if I knew politicians policies before voting, who knew a vote for John Key was a vote for selling off SOEs?

There is no politician or party who I feel represents my opinion of what would be best for NZ. So I usually vote for some minor party in the hope they can vote against labour/national.

We don't have an option to vote for equal rights.

[oldrider]

I would love it if I knew politicians policies before voting, who knew a vote for John Key was a vote for selling off SOEs?
Hello ....... anybody home? ... You have to be joking on that one! :killingme

[ellipsis]

I thought this thread was about pensioners? How did race get into it.:girlfight:


...http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac85/motorcycle-mania/1JPEG_zps6ded53b9.jpg (http://s888.photobucket.com/user/motorcycle-mania/media/1JPEG_zps6ded53b9.jpg.html)

[MisterD]

So if a Maori kills an Indian, is he racist, racially sensitive, racially selective, or after racial equality???

He's a "victim of colonisation", move along and pass the tax dollars.

[Robert Taylor]

In respect of who one votes for I personally like the stance Colin Craigs Conservative party has on many issues. But the big problem is one has to vote National to keep the left wing parties and their destructive policies out of Government

[MisterD]

I would love it if I knew politicians policies before voting,

Welcome to the dog that is MMP. Sold to the great NZ unwashed and unthinking as a marvellous panacea to all the ills of "unrepresentative" systems, in practice a very efficient device for concentrating more power with the politicians who get to introduce anything they like as a result of "coalition negotiations" and the votes of party lists stacked with their drones.

[MisterD]

In respect of who one votes for I personally like the stance Colin Craigs Conservative party has on many issues.

There's nothing "Conservative" about the CCCP other than blue signs and the word in their name, aside from the lack of anti-Chinese rhetoric, he's virtually indistinguishable from Winston First.

He's just using the Green Party trick of using a well-known international brand and hoping nobody looks at his policies.

[Akzle]

There's nothing "Conservative" about the CCCP other than blue signs and the word in their name, aside from the lack of anti-Chinese rhetoric, he's virtually indistinguishable from Winston First.

He's just using the Green Party trick of using a well-known international brand and hoping nobody looks at his policies.

shush! that would require critical thinking and an understanding greater than that required to recognise the colours on the flags... something comrade robert seems to lack...

[Ocean1]

I would love it if I knew politicians policies before voting, who knew a vote for John Key was a vote for selling off SOEs?

You're joking, right? It was front page on their manifesto, prime-time TV debates, national hand wringing for months.

The one thing you can't accuse National of is doing something other than what they said they would.


Welcome to the dog that is MMP. Sold to the great NZ unwashed and unthinking as a marvellous panacea to all the ills of "unrepresentative" systems, in practice a very efficient device for concentrating more power with the politicians who get to introduce anything they like as a result of "coalition negotiations" and the votes of party lists stacked with their drones.

Correct. It's tempting to conclude that the bulk of those that voted for it swallowed the theory that the party getting the most votes wasn't the most representative party because they may not get 50% of the vote. If you were being generous. If not you might be tempted to explore their arithmetic in more detail, but seriously, who has time for that sort of masochism?

As it stands we went from a system where you voted for a known set of policies to one where you have no fucking idea what you’re voting for, and you can only hope that your choice can do what you asked them to without any of the post-election back-room deals you have no say in whatsoever.

[pritch]

In respect of who one votes for I personally like the stance Colin Craigs Conservative party has on many issues.

I used to think that, but the issues that bother me relate to Colin Craig's alternative reality. Reportedly he isn't convinced man has made it to the moon as yet.

Got a glimpse of your worst nightmare the other day Robert, I saw a poll "who will you vote for in the election". I wondered how the Mana/Internet party were doing.
At first I couldn't see them mentioned, so I re-checked the lower rated parties - no sign. So I went back to square one, and there they were - Number One, top of the pile. It hadn't occurred to me to look there.

Bet that sent shivers up Key's spine (assuming he actually had one). :whistle:

[SMOKEU]

In respect of who one votes for I personally like the stance Colin Craigs Conservative party has on many issues. But the big problem is one has to vote National to keep the left wing parties and their destructive policies out of Government

Jew Key's government is left wing. They just pretend otherwise.

[MisterD]

So I went back to square one, and there they were - Number One, top of the pile. It hadn't occurred to me to look there.

Bet that sent shivers up Key's spine (assuming he actually had one). :whistle:

No, I don't think JK worries about anything on Bummer Bradbury's "Daily Blog"...it's probably just BB himself voting multiple times.

[Ulsterkiwi]

[QUOTE=pritch;1130732274]I used to think that, but the issues that bother me relate to Colin Craig's alternative reality. Reportedly he isn't convinced man has made it to the moon as yet./QUOTE]


what? when did that happen? it didnt appear on Twitterbookagram and noone in Twilight mentioned it, like totally..... :gob:

[oldrider]

I used to think that, but the issues that bother me relate to Colin Craig's alternative reality. Reportedly he isn't convinced man has made it to the moon as yet.

That bullshit was just a media beat up ... I was listening to that "interview" and he didn't actually say that ... but media is what media wants to be!

Not a Craige supporter either, I was just listening wondering who the hell he actually was!!! :confused: Bloody lying twisting media bastards! :ar15:

[Robert Taylor]

I used to think that, but the issues that bother me relate to Colin Craig's alternative reality. Reportedly he isn't convinced man has made it to the moon as yet.

Got a glimpse of your worst nightmare the other day Robert, I saw a poll "who will you vote for in the election". I wondered how the Mana/Internet party were doing.
At first I couldn't see them mentioned, so I re-checked the lower rated parties - no sign. So I went back to square one, and there they were - Number One, top of the pile. It hadn't occurred to me to look there.

Bet that sent shivers up Key's spine (assuming he actually had one). :whistle:

Pritch, it would in the end event be EVERYONES worst nightmare!

[Robert Taylor]

Jew Key's government is left wing. They just pretend otherwise.

Essentially you are correct!

[oldrider]

Essentially you are correct!

Yep another + one to that! :yes:

[Robert Taylor]

Get that colour blindness treated ... it's obviously bugging you as much as it is for us ...

The racial history of your grand children should be of little importance .. yet their possible future views seem to be bugging you. Have you no faith their parents will bring them up with your point of view in mind. You DID bring them up right ... didn't you .. ??



Has the Swedish Government such a process open to you ... ??? and if they do ... that WOULD be your right.



Follow your own advice and get over it. The Settlements were through due process as written in New Zealand legislation. By elected (by the people) members or our Government.

If a larger proportion of the General public actually voted ... there might be changes. Many don't ... and all vying for election are aware of that.

If you want the system changed ... take more of a part of it ... and make a difference. Or is it not worth the effort ... or not worth trying .. ??





Obviously not enormous enough ... or the change you hope for would be realized.



Some have funny ideas on how or why they should vote. But they DO vote .... as is their right. And a win is a win ...

A big change may happen if EVERY eligible person actually DID care to vote. You figure out why they didn't care ...

Yes you are correct the racial history should have no significance whatsoever, they should be treated as current day New Zealanders, nothing more nothing less.

Its important to instil a solid work ethic and that the Government or history owes you no handouts.

[Robert Taylor]

shush! that would require critical thinking and an understanding greater than that required to recognise the colours on the flags... something comrade robert seems to lack...

Comrade is a term when you are talking about communists ( and cardboard communists such as Harawira / Harre ) which most definitely I am not. As for our own National flag Im very happy that the Union flag is represented and it should jolly well stay there.

[Ocean1]

Its important to instil a solid work ethic and that the Government or history owes you no handouts.

You're showing signs that the indoctrination is begining to take effect, it's no part of anyone's business to instil anything.

What's important is that a lack of work ethic makes people hungry. Evolution got it right, why fuck with a wining formula?

[puddytat]

No, I don't think JK worries about anything on Bummer Bradbury's "Daily Blog"...it's probably just BB himself voting multiple times.

Unless you have multiple email addresses tis not possible to vote more than once.
But you should know, no doubt you have tried.

[oldrider]

You're showing signs that the indoctrination is begining to take effect, it's no part of anyone's business to instil anything.

What's important is that a lack of work ethic makes people hungry. Evolution got it right, why fuck with a wining formula?

It's my individual right to choose to be hungry it only becomes your right to have an interest in my decision if I accept your charity!

The indoctrination of the left is that I/we belong to the state and that I will accept the charity of the state whether I like/want it or not!

The state then steals (extorts) the money off taxpayers (virtually at gun point) to pay for my apparent foolishness!

Fuck the state I can make my own decisions without their forced and unwanted help! :brick:

[Akzle]

oh chortle, this will get you cunts foaming at the nose.

http://salient.org.nz/features/how-to-rip-off-winz

[MisterD]

Unless you have multiple email addresses tis not possible to vote more than once.
But you should know, no doubt you have tried.

Hell no, wouldn't want my clicks to boost that idiot's stats, but I can't think of any other reason why Mana would rank #1 on the #3 left-leaning blog.

[pritch]

The funniest/saddest thing about that old Salient item is the appallingly low standard of written expression by those making comments, most of whom couldn't even spell.
And they were going to university? :confused:

[Oscar]

I would love it if I knew politicians policies before voting, who knew a vote for John Key was a vote for selling off SOEs?



Which rock have you been living under for the past six years?

[SPman]

"Those who won't learn from history are doomed to repeat it!"

Some of you should read this book......

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Harrys-Last-Stand-Generation-Falling/dp/1848317263/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1402418063&sr=1-1&keywords=harry's+last+stand

[Banditbandit]

Another interesting question.
Why are we happy to share in MOST of these advances?


The western world did not "share" the advances - they SOLD them - at a huge, and continuing benefit to the western world - i.e. people got and still get shit loads of money ...


So how do they prove if you are a maori, and where do I apply?;)

You need a signature from two kaumatua from your iwi who acknowledge that you are descended from a Maori person, and you need the ancestral chart to show the relationship (I didn't make the rules ...)


anybody care to bet what flavour the two kids that killed the shopkeeper were, im picking they come from a long line of people who feel they are owed a living by the govt

Why does the "flavour" matter .. they are kids and they have fucked up big time ...


He's a "victim of colonisation", move along and pass the tax dollars.

Piss off - I will not accept that bullshit (and I can get two kaumatua to sign me off :laugh:) Wrong is Wrong - "victim of colonisation" MAY be a reason but it is NEVER an excuse ... poor parenting is also a reason - but never an excuse ...

Reasons tell us how to deal with the issues and problems, excuses try to say it is not bad behaviour ... there is no excuse for random murder or murder during a robbery, or robbery ,.. or any crime ... They did very bad - there are no acceptable excuses.

We deal with the issues by doing better in the future. Excuses MIGHT provide mitigating circumstances, but "victims of colonization" or not, lock up the little shits .. and then try to deal with the reasons ... .

[Banditbandit]

Personally I am colour blind to the reality that I have two grandchildren with part Maori blood, the other part mostly European. I will be very concerned if as they grow they partake of the toxicity that we have increasingly in evidence that the white man owes ( for evermore ) the peoples that were here when NZ was discovered by Europeans. As to actually who was here first and what fate they suffered with no recompense is of course a subject that is conveniently sidelined.

Do you fear that your own chidren will not bring them up properly ???




Maybe I should claim back to the Swedish Government for pillaging and murder they committed against several of my Danish ancestors when Sweden had a large Scandinavian empire a few centuries back. Its a cultural thing that has scarred me!!!!

Yes and many of us have ancestors who came here as a result of the events in Europe. I have ancestors from Ireland and Scotland who fled the troubles, the famine, the land clearances ... So, my Māori ancestors, my Scottish Ancestors and my Irish ancestors all got shat on .. Hello - welcome to the power structures !!!

But yes, some of the current asnd recent disoutes in Europe have been based on grievances hundreds of years old 0- Ireland (back to Cromwell and further) The Balkans (the Turkish invasion 400 years ago ) and on and on ... People seem to find it hard to leave the past behind ...



Like most people who dont accept this rort that is happening I have far more respect for those who get on with life, make their own way in the world and are an economic success by means that are fair and productive, rather than speculative or expecting taxpayer funded handouts. No rorts at any level or sector of society tolerated, as a clarification independent of race based rorts

And the vast majority of Māori are doing just that ... but you only see what's in the media . the vast amount of normal life, people just getting on with it, does not make the headlines because it is boring news ... "Today, hundreds of thousands of people got on with their lives' will never be a headline.

Relying on the media gives you a distorted view ...

And let's see .. people are helped "as they need" so people with asthma, with diabetes, with a range of chronic illnesses al get hand-outs from the Government that I don't get .. Can I yell RORT ? It's a health-based rort .. it should stop .. healthy people are being taxed to give handouts to the chronically sick (did you know that long term addicts get on the sickness benefit ?? What a rort .. it's their fault they are addicts and yet we pay them to do nothing but get high !!!!)

Just in case you miss the point, to me it's the same thing - needs based assistance.



he silly thing is that in respect of all of these multi million dollar settlements ( and future ''full and final'' settlements ) the people that really need the benefits are in fact getting little.

Yes. That pissess me off too - some people are getting fat and prosperous out of the treaty claims, but the people who need it stay fucked .. that's OUR issue ... butt out!!!



Those locked in a narrow minded attitude of the oppressed ( so called ) indigenous people and the evil white men may choose to call me and like minded people racist. I dont care about that and the reality is that an enormous number of ordinary everyday Kiwis of many ethnic backgrounds are increasingly concerned about this fraud that is happening

Yes. Count this little boy from up the river in that group. Our issue - Butt out.


That a National Government is just as complicit in this nonsense is of major concern but the thought of a left wing grouping doesnt bear thinking about.

Hmm .. interesting. Did you now that almost all the treaty claims settled have been done so by the Nats, and BUGGER all from that bunch of frauds called Labour .. The Nats make al the wrong noises (from our point of view) but do right things - Labour makes all the right noises and does fucking nothing !!! Labour should not scare you on these issues (Labour scares the fuck out of me on these issues. )



Personally I think John Key should go to the country on the premise of instant termination of all settlements and some retrospective payback required , rechanneled to those who need the help most,

Hmm .. I'm prepared to entertain that suggestion, but I am not yet ready to fully support it. My issue is that if you go down that path then the Great White Father (Government) decides, once again, how best to help Māori .. it smacks of a colonial attitude.


plus termination of all race based parliamentary seats and also of unelected and over represented Iwi in local body politics.

I worry about that suggestion - population and demographic changes mean that in the lifetime of your grandchildren the majority population will be us brown fellas .. and NZ will have a parliament of brown people only ... in that case the remaining "white" (I use the word guardedly hence the quote marks) may well be asking for special seats ... but will have no base for an argument as "race-based seats will have been dumped - why bring them back?


People should be elected on merit, not colour.

Bwhahahahaha . the only factor in gettignelected is electability - merit has NEVER come into it ... (and I would violently oppose a meritocracy )



If JK did this he would win by a landslide.

I'm not so sure - the majority of people in Godzone have mostly voted left - but the left vote is split allowing the right wing majority to win power by voting for one party ...

[Drew]

God this thread is fucken boring.

Oi Bandit, regale us with more of those tales about how the Maori ended up coming to NZ. (I think it was you that told us last time). That's a fucken AWESOME story.

[oldrider]

There are no "victims" of colonisation .. there is just "us" .... it's what we do from here on in that actually matters! ... Hope rules eternal! :niceone:

[Banditbandit]

God this thread is fucken boring.

Yeah - I stopped participating - but I think Robert deserves a response ... I can't be bothered engaging the rest.


Oi Bandit, regale us with more of those tales about how the Maori ended up coming to NZ. (I think it was you that told us last time). That's a fucken AWESOME story.

Not the place ... but thanks for the request.

[Akzle]

God this thread is fucken boring.

Oi Bandit, regale us with more of those tales about how the Maori ended up coming to NZ. (I think it was you that told us last time). That's a fucken AWESOME story.

there was a wave. (not the kb wave).
The sun didnt set for days.
Homies in a boat.
And things were good.

Then, crackers in boats.

[Drew]

there was a wave. (not the kb wave).
The sun didnt set for days.
Homies in a boat.
And things were good.

Then, crackers in boats.I think you should spend the few hours going through his posts, to find the tale I'm talking about. It's soooooo much better than that Mowee (I cannot for the life of me think of how that dude's name is spelled) bollucks.

[Akzle]

I think you should spend the few hours going through his posts, to find the tale I'm talking about. It's soooooo much better than that Mowee (I cannot for the life of me think of how that dude's name is spelled) bollucks.

you mean some trans arabia-serbia-asia eskimo shit? Yeah, im not down with that.

[Drew]

you mean some trans arabia-serbia-asia eskimo shit? Yeah, im not down with that.Na man, some "Fuck you I'm killing your son and feeding him to you chief". "Right lads, lets get the fuck out of Polynesia before that cunt realises what we just did" shit.

[Robert Taylor]

Yeah - I stopped participating - but I think Robert deserves a response ... I can't be bothered engaging the rest.



Not the place ... but thanks for the request.

That you have taken the trouble to comprehensively reply to my viewpoints rather than make trivial fun of it is indicative that you are a far better person than many on here.

For the record even though I disagree with much of what she says I personally have a lot of respect for the very elegant way that Tariana Turia engages in debate. She is a truly very likeable person.