Vic Motorcycle Club committee meetings?

[Shaun Harris]

When do you all have your club commitee meetings?

[Pumba]

Fucking hell Shaun every time I open this fucking forum there is a new thread from you asking a question directed at inderviduals and it is really starting to frustrate me.

How about you go to the Vic club website, and look for yourself or at worst click on the contract us link and send them an email and then the apropriate channels will respond.

[Shaun Harris]

Fucking hell Shaun every time I open this fucking forum there is a new thread from you asking a question directed at inderviduals and it is really starting to frustrate me.

How about you go to the Vic club website, and look for yourself or at worst click on the contract us link and send them an email and then the apropriate channels will respond.





And your problem is what apart from your attitude, do not fukin read then

[quickbuck]

When do you all have your club commitee meetings?




Next one is after Round 2 on Saturday, at a place in Feilding.... Would you like to bring something up?





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[Shaun Harris]

Next one is after Round 2 on Saturday, at a place in Feilding.... Would you like to bring something up?





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Thanks for quick reply Quickbuck, must faster response than the email system as the vic club is just that a club so awnsers can take time and I like to plan my life. I would like to attend to see if there is any roll I can help the club with regarding helping youth and the future.

[Drew]

Thanks for quick reply Quickbuck, must faster response than the email system as the vic club is just that a club so awnsers can take time and I like to plan my life. I would like to attend to see if there is any roll I can help the club with regarding helping youth and the future.

Oh sweet Christ!:eek5:

[quickbuck]

Thanks for quick reply Quickbuck, must faster response than the email system as the vic club is just that a club so awnsers can take time and I like to plan my life. I would like to attend to see if there is any roll I can help the club with regarding helping youth and the future.




Sweet, in that case email Brent at scholarship@vicclub.co.nz
He is Bert on here.

You are quite welcome to come to the meeting too, as I believe every member has the right to attend a committee meeting....
If you come down for round 2 you can see the scholarship program in action too.





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[Drew]

I'd have thought a committee meeting was only for the committee.

[Shaun Harris]

Sweet, in that case email Brent at scholarship@vicclub.co.nz
He is Bert on here.

You are quite welcome to come to the meeting too, as I believe every member has the right to attend a committee meeting....
If you come down for round 2 you can see the scholarship program in action too.





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Cheers man, will email Bert also

[quickbuck]

I'd have thought a committee meeting was only for the committee.


Whilst in most situations this would be the case for a traditional committee, in my opinion as the Vic Club I feel any member of the club should be allowed to come along and see how things are managed....
If there are things that should not be heard by the club members said at the meeting then we are doing it wrong.....

This may not be the opinion of the President or other committee members mind....






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[Shaun Harris]

Very healthy open minded thinking man

[Dodgy]

Hey, he may volunteer to be the Oily Rag editor :eek5:

[Drew]

Whilst in most situations this would be the case for a traditional committee, in my opinion as the Vic Club I feel any member of the club should be allowed to come along and see how things are managed....
If there are things that should not be heard by the club members said at the meeting then we are doing it wrong.....

This may not be the opinion of the President or other committee members mind....






Sent from my Nokia using Tapa talk.Hmmm, opens the door for it to be a free for all. Not a good idea in my opinion.

Submissions can be made to the committee via the appropriate member pertaining to the subject.

The free for all is the AGM. That is the right time for any and all members to be present.

Shaun, the right way to do what you are trying to is contact the pres or secretary, and have them table the matter amongst themselves. So they can be honest with each other and not under any pressure.

[Shaun Harris]

Hmmm, opens the door for it to be a free for all. Not a good idea in my opinion.

Submissions can be made to the committee via the appropriate member pertaining to the subject.

The free for all is the AGM. That is the right time for any and all members to be present.

Shaun, the right way to do what you are trying to is contact the pres or secretary, and have them table the matter amongst themselves. So they can be honest with each other and not under any pressure.






Simply fuk off Drew you know it all kunt

[Drew]

Simply fuk off Drew you know it all kunt

Simply, do things in the right fucken order. You attention whoring gnome!

There's a lesson in structuring a sentence in that for ya too. You're welcome;)

[jellywrestler]

Hmmm, opens the door for it to be a free for all. Not a good idea in my opinion.

Submissions can be made to the committee via the appropriate member pertaining to the subject.

The free for all is the AGM. That is the right time for any and all members to be present.

Shaun, the right way to do what you are trying to is contact the pres or secretary, and have them table the matter amongst themselves. So they can be honest with each other and not under any pressure.

I'd rather a club be open and welcome people to come in and particapate, it's up to whoever is chairing the meeting to control it.
All too often organisations run with a closed door policy and where does that get us in the end?
Having someone there to speak in person means the whole thing can be discussed, then the committee can table the matter amongst themselves with more relevant information, that'll speed up the process than your Nazi method.

[jellywrestler]

Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock.....

[Drew]

I'd rather a club be open and welcome people to come in and particapate, it's up to whoever is chairing the meeting to control it.
All too often organisations run with a closed door policy and where does that get us in the end?
Having someone there to speak in person means the whole thing can be discussed, then the committee can table the matter amongst themselves with more relevant information, that'll speed up the process than your Nazi method.

That's a perfectly valid view point. Perhaps you should table the idea for consideration at the next AGM. The way you're bloody meant to. Since that is the ONLY time that changes can be made to a constitution.

Anyone wanna enlighten everyone why we can't just decide to ignore the way a club is set up? Too fucken slow. It's because the club is a legal and financial entity. So, do things however ya please and the shit can hit the fan.

[jellywrestler]

I'd rather a club be open and welcome people to come in and particapate, it's up to whoever is chairing the meeting to control it.
All too often organisations run with a closed door policy and where does that get us in the end?
Having someone there to speak in person means the whole thing can be discussed, then the committee can table the matter amongst themselves with more relevant information, that'll speed up the process than your Nazi method.


That's a perfectly valid view point. Perhaps you should table the idea for consideration at the next AGM. The way you're bloody meant to. Since that is the ONLY time that changes can be made to a constitution.

Anyone wanna enlighten everyone why we can't just decide to ignore the way a club is set up? Too fucken slow. It's because the club is a legal and financial entity. So, do things however ya please and the shit can hit the fan.

You're rabbiting on about good English yet you can't read what I've written. My veiwpoint is not specifically aimed at any one club at all, are you bad at understanding English or just good at putting words into people's mouths?

[Drew]

You're rabbiting on about good English yet you can't read what I've written. My veiwpoint is not specifically aimed at any one club at all, are you bad at understanding English or just good at putting words into people's mouths?

I made mention that yours was your view point only. And presented how to implement it if you feel inclined.

Who is putting words in the mouth of whom?

[Shaun Harris]

Simply, do things in the right fucken order. You attention whoring gnome!

There's a lesson in structuring a sentence in that for ya too. You're welcome;)





Find my name on any of the bikes I financually supported last season dude and we will talk again re attn seeking and your form hahaha

[Shaun Harris]

I'd rather a club be open and welcome people to come in and particapate, it's up to whoever is chairing the meeting to control it.
All too often organisations run with a closed door policy and where does that get us in the end?
Having someone there to speak in person means the whole thing can be discussed, then the committee can table the matter amongst themselves with more relevant information, that'll speed up the process than your Nazi method.





Like your logic Jelly, some people just read and re peat every thing they say with out actually thinking it through them self properlly in the first place.

And AGM and clubs are not the same thing

[nodrog]

Any meeting Shaun attends should be behind closed doors, chaired by a psychiatrist.

[Shaun Harris]

Any meeting Shaun attends should be behind closed doors, chaired by a psychiatrist.





Do not panick man, I bring my own streight jacket and meds, the OTHER ME makes sure I do

[Mental Trousers]

Section 10

http://vicclub.co.nz/constitution.php

In particular 10.7

Subject to these Rules, the Committee may regulate its own practices;
So if VMCC wants to hold Committee meetings that are open to it's members there's nothing to stop them, although ideally that should be spelt out in the Constitution.

There isn't anything to say whether Club Members or the Public get to address the Committee so that should be stated. However, it clearly states that only Committee Members get to vote, not Club Members and definitely not the Public (includes non-members like Shaun - actually, just guessing Shaun's not a member ...)

[Drew]

Like your logic Jelly, some people just read and re peat every thing they say with out actually thinking it through them self properlly in the first place.

And AGM and clubs are not the same thingAGM. Annual General Meeting. Something clubs usually have to have, with very few exceptions. Committee meetings however, are just that. They are for the committee.

A club can have as many general meetings as it wants, but if it's constitution requires regular committee meetings then it is for the committee only.

Repeating what I've heard? No, sat on a couple of committees and have a basic understanding of them.

As for members wanting to know what is going on in these meetings, minutes must be available to all financial members at request.

This is all basic stuff fellas, if you are a member of the club you are also able to get a copy of the constitution for looking over at your leisure.

[Grumph]

Hmmm, opens the door for it to be a free for all. Not a good idea in my opinion.

Submissions can be made to the committee via the appropriate member pertaining to the subject.

The free for all is the AGM. That is the right time for any and all members to be present.

Shaun, the right way to do what you are trying to is contact the pres or secretary, and have them table the matter amongst themselves. So they can be honest with each other and not under any pressure.

I've been on a few club committees - though not, admittedly the Vic club....and SOP is that members always have the right to attend meetings but speaking rights usually have to be negotiated with the chairman. And often voted on too...

The AGM is not the place to bring up other business as it should be run to a pre published agenda. You're there for specific tasks - not bringing up arguments or new schemes. "Normal" committee meetings are the best place to air those things.

[Shaun Harris]

Are you all ok with this now proffessor Drew- I guess my 28 years of heavy involvement in OUR sport has taught me a couple of things, and If I do not know, I ask some one that does before rabbiting on, often by posts on here as there are a lot of people on here that know what they are talking about and are passionate enough to do searches to awnser my questions- to them THANK YOU I say

[nodrog]

Are you all ok with this now proffessor Drew- I guess my 28 years of heavy involvement in OUR sport has taught me a couple of things, and If I do not know, I ask some one that does before rabbiting on, often by posts on here as there are a lot of people on here that know what they are talking about and are passionate enough to do searches to awnser my questions- to them THANK YOU I say

Its past your bedtime Shaun.

[Shaun Harris]

Its past your bedtime Shaun.





Haha I do so like a good MASTER - ( DE) bate, and as my work is on the internet these days sitting in the luxury of my own house, I seem to have time to drop in on here regually, bugger for you all eh

[nodrog]

Haha I do so like a good MASTER - ( DE) bate, and as my work is on the internet these days sitting in the luxury of my own house, I seem to have time to drop in on here regually, bugger for you all eh

Lucky you are all better now.

[Shaun Harris]

Lucky you are all better now.




Never was never will be

[Drew]

Are you all ok with this now proffessor Drew- I guess my 28 years of heavy involvement in OUR sport has taught me a couple of things, and If I do not know, I ask some one that does before rabbiting on, often by posts on here as there are a lot of people on here that know what they are talking about and are passionate enough to do searches to awnser my questions- to them THANK YOU I say

Seems my understanding of the way these things work is wrong. Still reckon it'd be better that people had committee members do what they're meant to, and club members go through them.

[Shaun Harris]

Seems my understanding of the way these things work is wrong. Still reckon it'd be better that people had committee members do what they're meant to, and club members go through them.




Me Me Me I I I, ya wouldnt be a racer would ya

[Drew]

Me Me Me I I I, ya wouldnt be a racer would ya

Go over the last ten threads you've started, and try to understand why that last comment is hypocrisy in all it's glory.

[quickbuck]

Seems my understanding of the way these things work is wrong. Still reckon it'd be better that people had committee members do what they're meant to, and club members go through them.




You could well be wrong.... I thought I was right once, but she said I was mistaken....
Anyhow, the club is ACTUALLY run in the many days and weeks between meetings....





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[budda]

You could well be wrong.... I thought I was right once, but she said I was mistaken....
Anyhow, the club is ACTUALLY run in the many days and weeks between meetings....





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Like the VAST MAJORITY are .......:oi-grr:

[Shaun Harris]

Go over the last ten threads you've started, and try to understand why that last comment is hypocrisy in all it's glory.




You have become easier than me to wind up ya dick- hows it feel and fuk off re my spelling and gramour expert of all things except race craft of course as proven on ya gifted SB, Yea the one that you say has linkage ratio problems, funny how every one else could ride them with that ratio

[Drew]

You have become easier than me to wind up ya dick- hows it feel and fuk off re my spelling and gramour expert of all things except race craft of course as proven on ya gifted SB, Yea the one that you say has linkage ratio problems, funny how every one else could ride them with that ratio

Could you go and search out the post where I said the linkage ratio was wrong. I'll give you a superbike to race if you can find it.

I said the rear ride height was so high, that the suspension would bind up under hard acceleration.

Seems a bit of a strange thing for you to bring up. Does it upset you that I had a bike to race, or are you trying to be subtle about something?

[Shaun Harris]

Could you go and search out the post where I said the linkage ratio was wrong. I'll give you a superbike to race if you can find it.

I said the rear ride height was so high, that the suspension would bind up under hard acceleration.

Seems a bit of a strange thing for you to bring up. Does it upset you that I had a bike to race, or are you trying to be subtle about something?






Just simply enjoying myself with a man who know;s how to bat dude, and us short people are that LOW we can play hand ball up against the gutter


My Bad re link, my short term memory is really fucked since the concrete wall, the past is no problem at all, hence my HSE degree will take me a long time with study memory issues

Enjoy ya night, Im going to get wasted now yep proper wasted as today has really showered me with sun, I can feal it is my turn again.

[jellywrestler]

Enjoy ya night, Im going to get wasted now yep proper wasted as today has really showered me with sun, I can feal it is my turn again.

off to get your windscreen washed again Shaun?

[jellywrestler]

That's a perfectly valid view point. Perhaps you should table the idea for consideration at the next AGM. The way you're bloody meant to. Since that is the ONLY time that changes can be made to a constitution.

Anyone wanna enlighten everyone why we can't just decide to ignore the way a club is set up? Too fucken slow. It's because the club is a legal and financial entity. So, do things however ya please and the shit can hit the fan.


I made mention that yours was your view point only. And presented how to implement it if you feel inclined.

Who is putting words in the mouth of whom?
Both posts quoted my previous posts and were directed at me.

You clearly suggested 'I should table the idea', I have no interest in this whatsoever, it's not my club. Maybe it would have been a betterly constructed sentence ' Perhaps if someone felt inclined then they should...'
back to my theasaurus for bedtime reading...

[jellywrestler]

tick tock, tick tock, tick tock...

[Drew]

Both posts quoted my previous posts and were directed at me.

You clearly suggested 'I should table the idea', I have no interest in this whatsoever, it's not my club. Maybe it would have been a betterly constructed sentence ' Perhaps if someone felt inclined then they should...'
back to my theasaurus for bedtime reading...

Na, your not making sense. "Perhaps you should". As in, if it bars you up you can do it.

[Bert]

Firstly I'm trying to keep my KB activity separate from my temp role with VMCC.

What do you want to talk about Sean?

I can't make any comment re committee meeting; and open closed, members nonmember etc... (I'm not an elected committee member: therefore no say, only ideas)...

but maybe if we discuss what you want to talk about, then I can table it. And work through where to next.
As I've already said, we want to build a great development programme (that's what I'm tasked with and have great support from CSS and others coming on board).
Thus the more active people we can involve the easier and better it will be in the long run.

Cheers
Brent

[jellywrestler]

Na, your not making sense. Now you're just taking the piss.

[BuzzardNZ]

I would like to attend to see if there is any roll I can help the club with regarding helping youth and the future.


Haha I do so like a good MASTER - ( DE) bate, and as my work is on the internet these days sitting in the luxury of my own house, I seem to have time to drop in on here regually, bugger for you all eh




my short term memory is really fucked since the concrete wall, the past is no problem at all, hence my HSE degree will take me a long time with study memory issues

Enjoy ya night, Im going to get wasted now yep proper wasted as today has really showered me with sun, I can feal it is my turn again.

Given the above you sound like just the guy to help the youth out!

I think it would be safer to leave Rolf Harris in charge of a teenage girls gymnastics class than have you helping the youth on motorcycles :tugger:

[jellywrestler]

Given the above you sound like just the guy to help the youth out!

I think it would be safer to leave Rolf Harris in charge of a teenage girls gymnastics class than have you helping the youth on motorcycles :tugger:

you leave Rolf Harris out of this, he's all upset since yesterday he was told a 'Young One' died

[Shaun Harris]

Firstly I'm trying to keep my KB activity separate from my temp role with VMCC.

What do you want to talk about Sean?

I can't make any comment re committee meeting; and open closed, members nonmember etc... (I'm not an elected committee member: therefore no say, only ideas)...

but maybe if we discuss what you want to talk about, then I can table it. And work through where to next.
As I've already said, we want to build a great development programme (that's what I'm tasked with and have great support from CSS and others coming on board).
Thus the more active people we can involve the easier and better it will be in the long run.

Cheers
Brent







And understood! Simply, would the club like any help from me re helping with the development programme, ( ONLY) as I will be back riding myself very very soon now for fun, just bought a brand new GSXR yesterday! You know where my email addi is.

[Shaun Harris]

off to get your windscreen washed again Shaun?



Haha no mate, wasted to me is drunk drunk drunk, and man I sure was and totally enjoyed it for the first time in many many months, Prob throw up in the swimming pool later haha

[nodrog]

And understood! Simply, would the club like any help from me re helping with the development programme, ( ONLY) as I will be back riding myself very very soon now for fun, just bought a brand new GSXR yesterday! You know where my email addi is.

Im amazed you managed to log off for long enough to buy a new bike.

[Shaun Harris]

Im amazed you managed to log off for long enough to buy a new bike.




Email and on line banking is great for some things whilst at work on the net anyway

[nodrog]

Email and on line banking is great for some things whilst at work on the net anyway

Dude, the comedy gala was last month.

[Shaun Harris]

Dude, the comedy gala was last month.




what were the Chairs racing some where

[gammaguy]

you leave Rolf Harris out of this, he's all upset since yesterday he was told a 'Young One' died

No. worries though he was a Cliff Richard fan

[PSYCHO]

what were the Chairs racing some where

LOL, too true.

what gixxer you get shaun? road or track ?

[Shaun Harris]

LOL, too true.

what gixxer you get shaun? road or track ?




750 for the track man Just for fun, I will be riding a GSXR 600 for a while though kindly supplied by Millars cars in henderson aka FROSTY and partener Kylie.

[Drew]

750 for the track man Just for fun, I will be riding a GSXR 600 for a while though kindly supplied by Millars cars in henderson aka FROSTY and partener Kylie.

Last time you rode "just for fun", you packed it in before the first race at Wanganui didn't you? What's changed?

[Shaun Harris]

Last time you rode "just for fun", you packed it in before the first race at Wanganui didn't you? What's changed?





my undies for a start

[nodrog]

what were the Chairs racing some where

Yep that's what we do. Even waited for you.

http://www.steveenglish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=50398

[Shaun Harris]

Yep that's what we do. Even waited for you.

http://www.steveenglish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=50398






What, before or after filling up all your oil tanks again.

And what is the problem with that man? If you do not ask you do not get, and obviously I did not get. ho hum

[Drew]

Didn't see you yesterday Shaun.

[Shaun Harris]

Hope all had a great day

[Drew]

I'm told that both competitors in each class enjoyed themselves.

[Bert]

Hope all had a great day


I'm told that both competitors in each class enjoyed themselves.

Yes, despite the low'dish numbers, weather was great (all be it very cold track temps). The day when very well. Some great battles throughout the different classes. All riders were well behaved and followed safety instructions very well. And we even had a number of PB's...

This round saw a number of new riders making the step from trackdays to racing, they all seemed to have big smiles.

Thanks to all the vollies and also everyone that supported the scholarship raffle.

[Shaun Harris]

Yes, despite the low'dish numbers, weather was great (all be it very cold track temps). The day when very well. Some great battles throughout the different classes. All riders we well behaved and followed safety instructions very well. And we even had a number of PB's...

This round saw a number of new riders making the step from trackdays to racing, they all seemed to have big smiles.

Thanks to all the vollies and also everyone that supported the scholarship raffle.






sounds like all were happy then

[Drew]

Not all riders. We got sent home when Stevie left the slip road without a green flag.

Was the wrong call, told Monique she was fucken wrong. We should have been sent home for him not getting off the track at his earliest possible chance.

[Shaun Harris]

Not all riders. We got sent home when Stevie left the slip road without a green flag.

Was the wrong call, told Monique she was fucken wrong. We should have been sent home for him not getting off the track at his earliest possible chance.







Do not play by the rules, do not play, simple really and good on the club for acting so strongly about it, examples need setting to help train the future junior riders by setting examples and using the rule book. Bummer for those sent home though obviously.

[Bert]

sounds like all were happy then

I think there is still a lot more scope for mentoring.
I'd really encourage super bike teams (read senior riders) to, in the future take on the junior rider and help with his/her development. But there is examples of this already starting so all good.

The more involved in mentoring new/junior riders the better the future will be.


Interesting lunchtime session (new and junior riders) with a focus on preparation pre meeting (mental and physical). I trust that most took away something from this.

Future sessions. Overviews on Tyres, suspension and MNZ. But if anyone wants other stuff then let the club know.

Great riders briefing, laid down clear safety requirements (and clearly stated the clubs stance and expectations, on a number of key topics: and outcomes if these were breached).

[Drew]

Do not play by the rules, do not play, simple really and good on the club for acting so strongly about it, examples need setting to help train the future junior riders by setting examples and using the rule book. Bummer for those sent home though obviously.

This is normally the time of day you're making the most sense, have you been drinking today already?

The punishment was correct, the reason was wrong. Particularly since I'm told that at riders briefing, the only mention of the slip road, was that it wasn't being used.

Fucken hang anyone not doing what they're meant to I reckon. But if there's anything less than consistency about it, I'll raise bloody hell.

[Shaun Harris]

This is normally the time of day you're making the most sense, have you been drinking today already?

The punishment was correct, the reason was wrong. Particularly since I'm told that at riders briefing, the only mention of the slip road, was that it wasn't being used.

Fucken hang anyone not doing what they're meant to I reckon. But if there's anything less than consistency about it, I'll raise bloody hell.







I Like it when you talk dirty and will just ignore your dribble posts from now on

[Shaun Harris]

I think there is still a lot more scope for mentoring.
I'd really encourage super bike teams (read senior riders) to, in the future take on the junior rider and help with his/her development. But there is examples of this already starting so all good.

The more involved in mentoring new/junior riders the better the future will be.


Interesting lunchtime session (new and junior riders) with a focus on preparation pre meeting (mental and physical). I trust that most took away something from this.

Future sessions. Overviews on Tyres, suspension and MNZ. But if anyone wants other stuff then let the club know.

Great riders briefing, laid down clear safety requirements (and clearly stated the clubs stance and expectations, on a number of key topics: and outcomes if these were breached).





As said in email mate, I am very willing to help with what I can

[Bert]

The punishment was correct, the reason was wrong. Particularly since I'm told that at riders briefing, the only mention of the slip road, was that it wasn't being used.

Fucken hang anyone not doing what they're meant to I reckon. But if there's anything less than consistency about it, I'll raise bloody hell.

Wrong... In fact so bloody wrong it's not funny.
there was extra emphasis put on the slip road use (if people found themselves in there) and the due process to be followed. And result if said process was not followed - instant removal of anyone in breech of process.

It's of great concern having riders entering the track perpendicular to racing line, thus considerable discussions around the management of this safety issue has resulted in the process that had been applied.
I was there at the briefing Drew. Thus not talking secondhand.

Consistency, yip that is was we can all hope for.
Any ambiguity needs to resolved at MOMS and club supplementary rules. This of course will take time, but the best that can be done currently is that key rules need to be explained clearly and ramifications outlined.

[Drew]

Wrong... In fact so bloody wrong it's not funny.
there was extra emphasis put on the slip road use (if people found themselves in there) and the due process to be followed. And result if said process was not followed. It's of great concern having riders entering the track perpendicular to racing line.
I was there...

Consistency, yip that is was we can all hope for.
Any ambiguity needs to resolved at MOMS and club supplementary rules. This of course will take time, but the best that can be done currently is that key rules need to be explained clearly and ramifications outlined.

Conflicting info in a situation like this is normal, think I'll come along to riders briefing from now on and eliminate the Chinese whispers effect.

I think there would be advantage in the briefing was written, and everyone went through it together with someone from the club reading it and and explaining stuff.

[Shaun Harris]

Conflicting info in a situation like this is normal, think I'll come along to riders briefing from now on and eliminate the Chinese whispers effect.

I think there would be advantage in the briefing was written, and everyone went through it together with someone from the club reading it and and explaining stuff.







yea, english is difficult for some of us to understand

[Bert]

Conflicting info in a situation like this is normal, think I'll come along to riders briefing from now on and eliminate the Chinese whispers effect.

I think there would be advantage in the briefing was written, and everyone went through it together with someone from the club reading it and and explaining stuff.

More the merrier I say.
And like always any input into the processes (prior to meeting/event) to improve riders understanding the better.
It's always difficult at the heat of the moment to make the right choice compounded if it's not sunk in from the briefing first thing that day...

Yea I tend to agree with you on the written briefing documentation.
It clear that some riders aren't reading the info and expectations when they sign up for events. Nor read MOMS and their requirements and obligations...
Riders briefing should be about considerations for the day, not a lecture series on how one should conduct oneself to signed rules etc. the mere fact that every briefing we have to go over flags and conduct is shocking....

Those riders that have read the requirement and don't understand or require clarity or application; tend to ask questions.

Having been at riders briefings for 20 odd years it's obvious those steering at there feet or counting the nails in the cross beam either know everything well or have know idea at all.... The second lot are the ones that we need to focus on, in reality they shouldn't be out there...

[Drew]

yea, english is difficult for some of us to understand
Fuck up Shaun, the adults are talking.

More the merrier I say.
And like always any input into the processes (prior to meeting/event) to improve riders understanding the better.
It's always difficult at the heat of the moment to make the right choice compounded if it's not sunk in from the briefing first thing that day...

Yea I tend to agree with you on the written briefing documentation.
It clear that some riders aren't reading the info and expectations when they sign up for events. Nor read MOMS and their requirements and obligations... Riders briefing should be about considerations for the day not a lecture series on how one should conduct oneself to signed rules etc. the mere fact that every briefing we have to go over flags and conduct is shocking....
Fully. Flags should be completely understood before anyone is even at the track.

I agree with what a few people have said. An actual test to see if the rules are known, before licences are handed out...and day licences should chucked altogether. Unless a rider has had a proper licence in the last twelve months maybe.

[Shaun Harris]

Fuck up Shaun, the adults are talking.

Fully. Flags should be completely understood before anyone is even at the track.

I agree with what a few people have said. An actual test to see if the rules are known, before licences are handed out...and day licences should chucked altogether. Unless a rider has had a proper licence in the last twelve months maybe.





wow, we actually agree on some thing, a Proper witnesed written test for a race licence I think is best

[Bert]

Fully. Flags should be completely understood before anyone is even at the track.

I agree with what a few people have said. An actual test to see if the rules are known, before licences are handed out...and day licences should chucked altogether. Unless a rider has had a proper licence in the last twelve months maybe.

It's a real tough one really. The maturity of understanding is reflected in the generational steps. Very evident in the slow but steady destruction of the NZ education system.
I guess this is why we really need a buddy/mentoring system in place; not just at VMCC but throughout NZ.
And really need to look at how newbies and returning riders are introduced. I know it weighs heavily on those running events and critical members at MNZ (despite what is said)..

Personally,
I see no choice but to introduce tiered licenceing. And clear process of signing off of new riders.
And no new rider should be on track on +600 cc bike without some serious application/consideration blabla something.. (read not protwins/superlite 650)..
But whom pays for the time and effort?.. And we still need the BlaBla something and a watertight MOMS...

Back to rider briefing written documentation.
If the rider brief document (all be it without the on the day considerations).
Maybe it should be a requirement for each rider to print off it off and bring it to the briefing meeting with a pen? (Club can supply spares at a cost for fundraising). Then each clause/consideration could be signed off by each rider then as it is discussed... And then attach it to their fire extinguisher,, thus knowing that everything is in check...

[jellywrestler]

Was the wrong call, told Monique she was fucken wrong.

so was Monique the riders rep then?

[Drew]

I really don't know about the mentoring thing. Christ, how many of us at the track are fluent in the rules pertaining to the class we run in, let alone a second? Am I wrong in wondering if it's not just another case of kids being vaginarised and not needing to put in the effort themselves?

The driven ones, will seek out required guidance from those they admire. Those are the ones that are going to be good. There is the occasional exception with unreal talent who goes out and wins, but I can think of three of them right now that amounted to fuck all anyway.

[Shaun Harris]

It's a real tough one really. The maturity of understanding is reflected in the generational steps. Very evident in the slow but steady destruction of the NZ education system.
I guess this is why we really need a buddy/mentoring system in place; not just at VMCC but throughout NZ.
And really need to look at how newbies and returning riders are introduced. I know it weighs heavily on those running events and critical members at MNZ (despite what is said)..

Personally,
I see no choice but to introduce tiered licenceing. And clear process of signing off of new riders.
And no new rider should be on track on +600 cc bike without some serious application/consideration blabla something.. (read not protwins/superlite 650)..
But whom pays for the time and effort?.. And we still need the BlaBla something and a watertight MOMS...






What about applying for the sports grant through MNZ of approx $20-000 to devide up between the clubs to help cover costs for safety training programmes

[Drew]

so was Monique the riders rep then?

Na, head honcho.

There was nothing to talk to the riders rep about. He was going home for one infraction or the other.

[jellywrestler]

Na, head honcho.

There was nothing to talk to the riders rep about. He was going home for one infraction or the other.

Just what they need, poorly informed chimps bickering the head of the show why they've got a job to not only run the meeting but ensure everyone gets home with minimal injuries.

[Bert]

I really don't know about the mentoring thing. Christ, how many of us at the track are fluent in the rules pertaining to the class we run in, let alone a second? Am I wrong in wondering if it's not just another case of kids being vaginarised and not needing to put in the effort themselves?

The driven ones, will seek out required guidance from those they admire. Those are the ones that are going to be good. There is the occasional exception with unreal talent who goes out and wins, but I can think of three of them right now that amounted to fuck all anyway.

Yes and no.
There are obligations and rules that one needs to be fluent in, others ones having read the rules one should be able to locate which section they turn to too answer the difficult questions. My MOMS is covered in post-it notes.
As a wise man once said the only way to cheat is to know the rules and loopholes... Not that I've ever benefitted from this.

I believe mentoring is about empowering those people in many ways, how to act, ride, fix shit etc...
Yes resolving vaginarisation but no real difference to now life has worked for hundreds of years. Someone has to standup and step forward and take a lead.


What about applying for the sports grant through MNZ of approx $20-000 to devide up between the clubs to help cover costs for safety training programmes

To be fair, yes that is what is needed. But i think 20k isn't enough to resolve the problem or even help in the mitigation.... More discussion is needed

[Drew]

Just what they need, poorly informed chimps bickering the head of the show why they've got a job to not only run the meeting but ensure everyone gets home with minimal injuries.

Not how it went down bro. Friendly chat we had at lunch time, as I was saying goodby and going home.

[Billy]

Just what they need, poorly informed chimps bickering the head of the show why they've got a job to not only run the meeting but ensure everyone gets home with minimal injuries.


Too true,

The vic club generally have a sign stationed on the stairwell stating that entry to race control is for officials ONLY,So to recap,This competitor put the wellbeing of his fellow competitors at risk on 3 seperate occassions?????

I hope it's in the stewards report.

GOOD LUCK with the graduated licence and let me know where and when you want the template I have on file sent,Apparently it is not required and would make it too hard for new entrants,Ironic really that the system we currently use IE NOTHING,Helps people leave the sport in a tragic manner.

[Billy]

Not how it went down bro. Friendly chat we had at lunch time, as I was saying goodby and going home.

In that case,

Make that 2 occassions,My humblest apologies,Never the less,Both of the other 2 could have ended in a fatality.

[Drew]

Too true,

The vic club generally have a sign stationed on the stairwell stating that entry to race control is for officials ONLY,So to recap,This competitor put the wellbeing of his fellow competitors at risk on 3 seperate occassions?????

I hope it's in the stewards report.

GOOD LUCK with the graduated licence and let me know where and when you want the template I have on file sent,Apparently it is not required and would make it too hard for new entrants,Ironic really that the system we currently use IE NOTHING,Helps people leave the sport in a tragic manner.
As I have pointed out, that is not how it went down.

I was directed to race control, to retrieve Stevie's license. That is all I tried to do there, I did not engage anyone official until they engaged me.

He endangered no one by crossing the track, the crash recovery buggy was on track and all moving bikes had left.

I felt he didn't get off the track soon enough, though Monique (who made the call to remove him from the event) felt he was all good in how he went about continuing to the slip road.

I was pitting for Mark the day he died, you might recall. It's something I feel I have too much personal knowledge of the results of not doing it.

[jellywrestler]

Was the wrong call, told Monique she was fucken wrong.


Not how it went down bro. Friendly chat we had at lunch time

From here it certainly looks so....

[Drew]

From here it certainly looks so....Anyone who was there, will know that was a piss take. It was for the benefit of Monique should she be so inclined to come read this shit.

We get on, as does she and Stevie from what I can tell. There are no hard feelings from anyone. There is no problem.

We can turn it into a shit fight if want, for the entertainment of those viewing this thread and not posting. But it'll not change the way things sit.

Stevie was having a bad day from the get go of the race. Tard took the word of a confused racer and tried to grid up on spot 9, had he read the bloody timing sheet himself he'd have seen that the empty spot at no.7 was where he was meant to be. All good, he rolled back and started from row three or four.

The officials seem to think he jumped the start, to me it looked like bike no.161 that jumped. The same bike who's spot Stevie had tried to steal. But, they reckon there's video and it's a bit fucken academic since he only did one lap and his gear lever peg came off. He got way off the racing line going into splash and had his arm up in the air and was very busy making sure no one was coming up behind him.

He then rode round splash and the next right, and pulled off into the slip road. That's where I felt he went wrong. He had no choice but to be on the racing line at turn 4 by staying on track.

The post race crossing of the straight was a minor infraction, by comparison.

[Bert]

GOOD LUCK with the graduated licence and let me know where and when you want the template I have on file sent,Apparently it is not required and would make it too hard for new entrants,Ironic really that the system we currently use IE NOTHING,Helps people leave the sport in a tragic manner.

Billy, I'll be in contact. Rather than flushing out the idea via social media.
But
I don't think/believe the current system is to blame for the resent tragic occurrences. I do believe the clubs have applied controlled logic to entry of new riders.
But it might well be beneficial to set due processes via MOMS or MNZ, for clarity and consistency in application. This would remove the potential for "but I'm allowed at this club"...
Personally I just wish that new riders would recognise that racing is different from trackdays/road riding and that out riding a small bike is far better than large bike outriding you..
And the reality around the fact that in NZ you are unlikely to get enough track time to become a superstar..

[Pumba]

Bert for Road Race Commissioner:whistle::nya:

[Billy]

Stevie was having a bad day from the get go of the race. Tard took the word of a confused racer and tried to grid up on spot 9, had he read the bloody timing sheet himself he'd have seen that the empty spot at no.7 was where he was meant to be. All good, he rolled back and started from row three or four.

The officials seem to think he jumped the start, to me it looked like bike no.161 that jumped. The same bike who's spot Stevie had tried to steal. But, they reckon there's video and it's a bit fucken academic since he only did one lap and his gear lever peg came off. He got way off the racing line going into splash and had his arm up in the air and was very busy making sure no one was coming up

Without turning it into a shitfight,If he didnt start from his allocated grid position,It is deemed as a jump start anyway,No need for a video.

[Drew]

Without turning it into a shitfight,If he didnt start from his allocated grid position,It is deemed as a jump start anyway,No need for a video.

Well there ya go. I didn't know that. Cheers.

[Billy]

Billy, I'll be in contact. Rather than flushing out the idea via social media.
But
I don't think/believe the current system is to blame for the resent tragic occurrences. I do believe the clubs have applied controlled logic to entry of new riders.
But it might well be beneficial to set due processes via MOMS or MNZ, for clarity and consistency in application. This would remove the potential for "but I'm allowed at this club"...
Personally I just wish that new riders would recognise that racing is different from trackdays/road riding and that out riding a small bike is far better than large bike outriding you..
And the reality around the fact that in NZ you are unlikely to get enough track time to become a superstar..

Not my job anymore mate,

But if you want the template just email me at acrfibreglass@actrix.co.nz and I'll forward it on.

[quickbuck]

.... think I'll come along to riders briefing from now on and eliminate the Chinese whispers effect.



would be a good idea... Then you would know not to smoke in the pits too......
Somethings else your rider should have passed onto you?? ;)

[Shaun Harris]

would be a good idea... Then you would know not to smoke in the pits too......
Somethings else your rider should have passed onto you?? ;)






Should have spell checked that post first man:lol:


Been guilty of it myself in the past though I have to admit.

[quickbuck]

Should have spell checked that post first man:lol:





Been guilty of it myself in the past though I have to admit.




Bloody random S... Fair cop.





Sent from my Nokia using Tapa talk.

[Drew]

would be a good idea... Then you would know not to smoke in the pits too......
Somethings else your rider should have passed onto you?? ;)

I know the rule already.

[jellywrestler]

I know the rule already.

are you allowed to smoke on the slip road?

[Drew]

are you allowed to smoke on the slip road?

Not sure, but I've had a smoke sitting on the tyre wall at Ruapuna after the Ducati fucked out one time.

[ellipsis]

...as you should, if circumstance dictates...

[jellywrestler]

Not sure, but I've had a smoke sitting on the tyre wall at Ruapuna after the Ducati fucked out one time.

there was a team that had smokes taped underneath their outfit and when it flipped at t1 manfeild asked the marshalls to retrive them...
i can remember spike went out in one race with a six pack of lemonade, pulled up, they had a couple and finished the race. rear engined aircooled from memory yamaha, use to warp the head on a full race.
after this they brought in the minimum race length you must do to get points

[Billy]

after this they brought in the minimum race length you must do to get points

Yip,

10 laps or 30Ks whichever was the shorter distance,See if you can find it in the rulebook now,GOOD LUCK cause it is yet another rule that has mysteriously either been changed and does not mean what was intended OR removed without any consultation with the commissioner?????????

[jellywrestler]

Yip,

10 laps or 30Ks whichever was the shorter distance,See if you can find it in the rulebook now,GOOD LUCK cause it is yet another rule that has mysteriously either been changed and does not mean what was intended OR removed without any consultation with the commissioner?????????

actually meant the percentage of the actual race that was happening, like if you pitted then went back out etc, as some smaller feilds meant even if you did one lap you could score points....

[BuzzardNZ]

Anyone who was there, will know that was a piss take. It was for the benefit of Monique should she be so inclined to come read this shit.



Monique says you're dumb.

[budda]

Yip,

10 laps or 30Ks whichever was the shorter distance,See if you can find it in the rulebook now,GOOD LUCK cause it is yet another rule that has mysteriously either been changed and does not mean what was intended OR removed without any consultation with the commissioner?????????

Was gone when I got the chair, no idea why ......... POSSIBLY ( I'm being generous here ) to enable the same programme at each event, as different track lengths meant different race lengths ?

[Drew]

Monique says you're dumb.

Quite intuitive of her.

[Billy]

Was gone when I got the chair, no idea why ......... POSSIBLY ( I'm being generous here ) to enable the same programme at each event, as different track lengths meant different race lengths ?

That doesn't make any sense either,Thats exactly why there were 2 options,Ks or laps,The rulebook is a joke as it stands and I have warned the new commissioner that he simply can not run a championship series until something is done about it and the stewards are instructed to enforce the rules in a fair and safe manner,Oh and the "As promised" review of the laughable appeal process has taken place and it has been rectified

[Shaun Harris]

That doesn't make any sense either,Thats exactly why there were 2 options,Ks or laps,The rulebook is a joke as it stands and I have warned the new commissioner that he simply can not run a championship series until something is done about it and the stewards are instructed to enforce the rules in a fair and safe manner,Oh and the "As promised" review of the laughable appeal process has taken place and it has been rectified






Im gunna ask drew to start a poll on getting you banned from here man, way to out spoken, way to honest, and way to negative

[BuzzardNZ]

Im gunna ask drew to start a poll on getting you banned from here man, way to out spoken, way to honest, and way to negative

What's the point? They don't seem to work as you're still here. BTW I voted to have you banned.

[Mental Trousers]

What's the point? They don't seem to work as you're still here. BTW I voted to have you banned.

The poll was neck and neck until it got moved to Pointless Drivel, then that nasty pink theme put stuff in the way and nobody could vote (unless they use the Inspect Element in Chrome or the equivalent in other browsers and deleted the offending elements).

[budda]

That doesn't make any sense either,Thats exactly why there were 2 options,Ks or laps,The rulebook is a joke as it stands and I have warned the new commissioner that he simply can not run a championship series until something is done about it and the stewards are instructed to enforce the rules in a fair and safe manner,Oh and the "As promised" review of the laughable appeal process has taken place and it has been rectified

THATS interesting - as an involved party, would have thought I'd receive that advice too :brick:

[Shaun Harris]

What's the point? They don't seem to work as you're still here. BTW I voted to have you banned.







And you are too me? So why would I care about your actions Mr No name

[jellywrestler]

What's the point? They don't seem to work as you're still here. BTW I voted to have you banned.

what poll? Is it a private one in your little world?

[Shaun Harris]

what poll? Is it a private one in your little world?






Drew took his frustrations too the little girls corner called POINTLESS DRIBBLE

[Mental Trousers]

what poll? Is it a private one in your little world?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/167415-Should-Shaun-Harris-(Moto-dynamics)-get-the-arse-from-KB

If you want to vote you have to use either Chrome or Firefox, right click on the element covering things up and delete it.

[nodrog]

And you are too me? .....

Fucksakes, how many of you are there? Are you tri-polar now?

[jellywrestler]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/167415-Should-Shaun-Harris-(Moto-dynamics)-get-the-arse-from-KB

If you want to vote you have to use either Chrome or Firefox, right click on the element covering things up and delete it.

Why would i want to vote for Drews pathetic attempt of cock swinging.
There's an old saying Sticks and Stones...
I laughed when it dissappeared although realised that somewhere Drew would have probably needed counselling for it for you cunts all picking on him.

[Drew]

Why would i want to vote for Drews pathetic attempt of cock swinging.
There's an old saying Sticks and Stones...
I laughed when it dissappeared although realised that somewhere Drew would have probably needed counselling for it for you cunts all picking on him.

For a funny guy, you've got fuck all of a sense of humour man.

[Mental Trousers]

Why would i want to vote for Drews pathetic attempt of cock swinging.

I'm here to be helpful, it's up to you whether you vote, don't vote, or get pissy :)


I laughed when it dissappeared although realised that somewhere Drew would have probably needed counselling for it for you cunts all picking on him.

But we do pick on Drew. He dishes out shit and he get shit back.

[steveyb]

While the Pink theme does suit Drew in his quieter moments (I am sure there are one or two) it is, indeed, nasty!

[Billy]

THATS interesting - as an involved party, would have thought I'd receive that advice too :brick:

Its the commissioners decision,Who and when are advised of that information,It was in reply to an email he sent me and one other recipient,As usual I replied to all who were involved in the original conversation and it was not in direct discussion re any particular incident

[Mental Trousers]

While the Pink theme does suit Drew in his quieter moments (I am sure there are one or two) it is, indeed, nasty!

Yep, but that was always the point of the Pink theme.

[budda]

Its the commissioners decision,Who and when are advised of that information,It was in reply to an email he sent me and one other recipient,As usual I replied to all who were involved in the original conversation and it was not in direct discussion re any particular incident

Yup, WELL aware of the chain of (non)command mate ........ you'd imagine that someone involved in 3 of the last 4 would be made aware of any changes in the system, let alone as a Grade 4 Steward AND CoC charged with DOING the job .......

[Billy]

Yup, WELL aware of the chain of (non)command mate ........ you'd imagine that someone involved in 3 of the last 4 would be made aware of any changes in the system, let alone as a Grade 4 Steward AND CoC charged with DOING the job .......

Yip,

Buggered if I know mate,You know damned well if it was my decision you'd be kept up to date,I seriously doubt anything constructive will be done,You know better than most how it works.

[budda]

Yip,

Buggered if I know mate,You know damned well if it was my decision you'd be kept up to date,I seriously doubt anything constructive will be done,You know better than most how it works.

If it wasn't for the fact that you're dodgy and would take it the wrong way, I'd suggest a drunken get-together and a debriefing session - DEAR GOD, I'm making a picture now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cry:

Could be worse, could still be our job ............

[Billy]

If it wasn't for the fact that you're dodgy and would take it the wrong way, I'd suggest a drunken get-together and a debriefing session - DEAR GOD, I'm making a picture now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cry:

Could be worse, could still be our job ............

Yea......That last bit,Not gonna happen til somemore of the Noddies are gone,No point what so ever,Interesting to hear theyre still up to their old tricks trying to change stuff behind the scenes

[budda]

Yea......That last bit,Not gonna happen til somemore of the Noddies are gone,No point what so ever,Interesting to hear theyre still up to their old tricks trying to change stuff behind the scenes

Glad you didn't say SURPRISING:lol:

[pritch]

I'd have thought a committee meeting was only for the committee.

Most club committees will welcome any member who turna up at a meeting. They will normally be pleased that someone is actually interested enough to make the effort. The visitor can request speaking rights if they wish, which may or may not be granted, but they can't vote.

[Bert]

A couple of YouTube clips worth watching.

General overview of bike checks.
Most of the checks are relavant here in NZ. Check them off against MOMS (and your class supplementary rules).
But they also have some good expectation should should be considered.

http://youtu.be/CqFjXtw2qp8

Lockwiring.
It's simple once someone has pointed out what your are doing wrong...
Copper wire is not suitable.
0.8mm stainless steel lockwire should be your minimum size for any safety related lockwiring.
Note the technique and direction to ensure bolts can't come undone.


http://youtu.be/oOEbMsi-2QU

[quickbuck]

Lockwiring.
It's simple once someone has pointed out what your are doing wrong...
Copper wire is not suitable.
0.8mm stainless steel lockwire should be your minimum size for any safety related lockwiring.
Note the technique and direction to ensure bolts can't come undone.


If anybody wants some practicle pointers come and see me. I am happy to help.
I lockwire stuff as part of my job, so have been doing it for quite some time!

0.8mm is 32 Thou lockwire. I would argue that brakes need to be 40 Thou.... That is my personal preference though.
.62mm stuff is okay in some applications...



Great Stuff though Bert.

[mr bucketracer]

Copper wire is not suitable.? why a ss has way more chance of breaking

[budda]

Copper wire is not suitable.? why a ss has way more chance of breaking

Experience in my other life as a Bonsai nut tells me that Proper lockwire, i.e. annealed stainless, is a joy to use and pretty tough - copper is too brittle unless its annealed, and then its too soft to do the job we need - unless its in massive gauges, probably bigger than you could safely drill the hole !

Just like with tyres / oils etc ..... get the right stuff and its an investment.

BUT - get in the habit of picking up all the sharp little bits you snip off, the wee bistards get into all sorts of nooks and crannies, and filling your gloves up with blood in your next race is best avoided where possible:(

[mr bucketracer]

Experience in my other life as a Bonsai nut tells me that Proper lockwire, i.e. annealed stainless, is a joy to use and pretty tough - copper is too brittle unless its annealed, and then its too soft to do the job we need - unless its in massive gauges, probably bigger than you could safely drill the hole !

Just like with tyres / oils etc ..... get the right stuff and its an investment.

BUT - get in the habit of picking up all the sharp little bits you snip off, the wee bistards get into all sorts of nooks and crannies, and filling your gloves up with blood in your next race is best avoided where possible:(yes Proper lockwire is good but new standard copper is way less brittle and is still very strong ie i can't break .8 and i'm prity strong . just saying there is nothing wrong with it and if i was to choose one over the other copper is better

[quickbuck]

yes Proper lockwire is good but new standard copper is way less brittle and is still very strong ie i can't break .8 and i'm prity strong . just saying there is nothing wrong with it and if i was to choose one over the other copper is better




Copper...... Sounds darn expensive to me.....





Sent from my Nokia using Tapa talk.

[Drew]

Copper...... Sounds darn expensive to me.....





Sent from my Nokia using Tapa talk.
Offcuts of TPS are pretty prolific on a building site.

I doubt I'd use it though.

[Kiwi Graham]

Lock wire done properly is a sight to behold Mmmmm

[Drew]

Lock wire done properly is a sight to behold Mmmmm

I think you need to get out more champ.

[Kiwi Graham]

I think you need to get out more champ.

Even the little things matter mate you know that ;)

I am one of those sad buggers that enjoy the attention to detail and quality time in the man cave :)

[mr bucketracer]

Copper...... Sounds darn expensive to me.....





Sent from my Nokia using Tapa talk.i have 2 rolls of it 1mm for motor rewinding , works good

[budda]

Copper...... Sounds darn expensive to me.....





Sent from my Nokia using Tapa talk.

Clearly have had Stainless Lockwire "accidentally" fall into your toolbox for a few years then :whistle:

[Shaun Harris]

Clearly have had Stainless Lockwire "accidentally" fall into your toolbox for a few years then :whistle:








Lock wire is Lock wire simple as that! No matter what you all may think is better, engineers or not. I can see that scruitineers are going to have police this also. If NOT officual lock wire used and insident was to happen???????? Drama Drama Drama

[Drew]

Lock wire is Lock wire simple as that! No matter what you all may think is better, engineers or not. I can see that scruitineers are going to have police this also. If NOT officual lock wire used and insident was to happen???????? Drama Drama Drama

Which is why it's no longer called scrutineering. They call it a bike check now, to remove the responsibility from the club.

[Billy]

Which is why it's no longer called scrutineering. They call it a bike check now, to remove the responsibility from the club.

Anybody able to tell me how scrutineering a bike or checking it differ or how one can lead to reduce responsibility over the other??? At the end of the day,A simple dsclaimer similar to the one on a warrant of fitness check should cover it,The tie wire material used is irrelevant to a point,Whats more important is that it is regularly checked to ensure its doing it's job OR replaced at regular intervals,For most applications,It's not on the bike for long periods anyway.

[budda]

Lock wire is Lock wire simple as that! No matter what you all may think is better, engineers or not. I can see that scruitineers are going to have police this also. If NOT officual lock wire used and insident was to happen???????? Drama Drama Drama

You had another present from the bullshit fairy Shaun ? F F S

[Shaun Harris]

You had another present from the bullshit fairy Shaun ? F F S






I know Im simple man but do not understand that one?

[Shaun Harris]

Anybody able to tell me how scrutineering a bike or checking it differ or how one can lead to reduce responsibility over the other??? At the end of the day,A simple dsclaimer similar to the one on a warrant of fitness check should cover it,The tie wire material used is irrelevant to a point,Whats more important is that it is regularly checked to ensure its doing it's job OR replaced at regular intervals,For most applications,It's not on the bike for long periods anyway.







What is the actuall wording in the rules re the lock wire or the tie wire ? Surely if it says LOCKWIRE, then lock wire it MUST be?

Safety wire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Note what is reccomended for racing use.

[Drew]

Anybody able to tell me how scrutineering a bike or checking it differ or how one can lead to reduce responsibility over the other??? At the end of the day,A simple dsclaimer similar to the one on a warrant of fitness check should cover it,The tie wire material used is irrelevant to a point,Whats more important is that it is regularly checked to ensure its doing it's job OR replaced at regular intervals,For most applications,It's not on the bike for long periods anyway.

No idea on that score. There are very different definitions of the two words. 'Scrutinise', and 'check'.

It is all over the show that the safety of the bike is the responsibility of the rider. The checking of the bikes is legally redundant, but I would guess it's an easy proof that an event organiser is actively trying to increase safety levels.

[Bert]

No idea on that score. There are very different definitions of the two words. 'Scrutinise', and 'check'.

It is all over the show that the safety of the bike is the responsibility of the rider. The checking of the bikes is legally redundant, but I would guess it's an easy proof that an event organiser is actively trying to increase safety levels.

You would be very surprised what is picked up at "bike check" Drew.

I've had a couple of interesting ones personally.
None seated rear brake pads was a common for a while...
Always good practice having a second set of eyes looking over any race bike (and some riders don't even check things themselves and/or miss things when in the Friday night rush).

[roogazza]

You would be very surprised what is picked up at "bike check" Drew.

I've had a couple of interesting ones personally.
None seated rear brake pads was a common for a while...
Always good practice having a second set of eyes looking over any race bike (and some riders don't even check things themselves and/or miss things when in the Friday night rush).

Way back in '72' when the Mach 4's came out,mine for some reason used to break rear spokes ! I would check all the time but it was picked up in Scrutineering a couple of times. Made the morning into a mad rush to get it fixed and re checked before the day began.
It was serious checking in those days,all your gear as well.

[Bert]

Way back in '72' when the Mach 4's came out,mine for some reason used to break rear spokes ! I would check all the time but it was picked up in Scrutineering a couple of times. Made the morning into a mad rush to get it fixed and re checked before the day began.
It was serious checking in those days,all your gear as well.

Yea,times have changed a little at club level.

I (personal view not VMCC) for one would to see gear checks as part of bike checks. I like the ozz example (posted earlier) with the rider showing up in gear...

Anyway, big ups to one of our scholarship riders for taking the initiative and posting up reports covering his experiences thus far.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/167687-Stickman-Winter-Series-Racing?p=1130738052#post1130738052