Evidential contrast leading to frustration

[rastuscat]

Right, so I'm the motorcycle supervisor in Christchurch. I get told to make motorcycling safer by anyone who has an axe to grind.

Our crash attendance guys attend at least 2 or 3 crashes each week where a motorcyclist or moped rider gets knocked off when riding down a cycle lane. It's against the law, it's a bad idea, anyway, that's not what this is about.

I got a weed on a few weeks ago about motorcyclists just riding in unsafe places, so I went and sat on a particular cycle lane and waited for something to happen. Like, I was there specifically looking.

Huge amounts of traffic at that time, traffic was banked up for miles. Sure enough, a bloke on a bike rides up the cycle lane, at least 100 metres that I saw, overtaking all the stationary traffic. I step out, stop the guy, and we enter into discourse on the rights and wrongs. He tells me that he thought it was okay for motorcyclists to use cycle lanes. It isn't. I end up writing a ticket.

Some weeks later, I'm advised that the ticket is being defended. That's cool, constitutional rights, all that sort of thing. A ticket is just my allegation. No probs.

Here's the kicker. The rider is now saying that he had only used the lane to negotiate hazards on the road, and that he did so safely. Fecking lies.

That's the problem with making shit up; you have to remember the lies that you've told, as somewhere they will be recorded and drawn back to your attention. I made notes of what was said at the roadside, I know what the excuse was at the time, and that this new excuse is BS.

And this egg is running around telling all his mates that the cops are revenue collecting scum sucking bottom dwellers (I feel a quote-fest coming on), making us look like the ones who broke the rules.

Just venting during the break I've given myself from the 90 minutes of paperwork it will take me to get the bloody thing ready for the court case.

Donut time.

[bogan]

Donut time.

I just tried a black forest one from donut king, t'was alright, but don't think I'd go that flavor again.

[Drew]

If he intends to argue that the stopped traffic was a hazard, he hasn't changed his story. Merely elaborated on it.

Be a tough sell I imagine, but I'd go with the argument that bikers get tail ended regularly enough to be constantly concerned by it.

[george formby]

Excuse my naivety but what makes cycle lanes so unsafe? If 2 or 3 bikes a week are getting knocked over whats happening to cyclists?

Genuine question. I live in the boonies so have to rely on the signs saying yay or nay for bus & cycle lanes when I visit the big smoke & can only think that merging back into traffic would be hazardous unless motorcyclists are belting along to fast. Or just being cocks like the rider disputing his ticket.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I honestly thought it was OK to use the cycle lanes on a motorbike. No, really.

But if you ever ding me at the roadside I will say "I only used it sporadically orifice, and only to avoid hazards on the roadway*"


*the hazard being christchurch fucking car drivers, obviously.

I have learned my new thing for the day. Might go and lanesplit IN MY UNIMOG. Catch me if you can copper!!!

[HenryDorsetCase]

If he intends to argue that the stopped traffic was a hazard, he hasn't changed his story. Merely elaborated on it.

Be a tough sell I imagine, but I'd go with the argument that bikers get tail ended regularly enough to be constantly concerned by it.

If the cars are stopped I will continue to use the cycle lane so I can get to the head of a queue of traffic. When the lights go green I will (after CAREFULLY looking for fucking red light runners who are a bigger problem than anybody using the natural advantages of a motorcycle or pushbike to avoid traffic queues... lemmetellya) use the superior acceleration of the motorbike to move ahead of the queue of cars and create some space around my. Space = safety.

Of course what happens with Christchurch car drivers is they think you are giggling at their comically small penis and they then try and tailgate you to within an inch of your life.

That is more of a problem than using a cycle lane, in my submission, your Honour.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Just venting during the break I've given myself from the 90 minutes of paperwork it will take me to get the bloody thing ready for the court case.

Donut time.

On a cost benefit analysis, clearly what you need to do is withdraw the silly ticket. 90 minutes of your time to prep it, plus a morning to attend Court, at your hideously inflated salary, plus the difficult to quantify but no less real fact that you should be out saving lives and eating donuts instead of sitting in court means withdrawing the ticket is the only logical outcome. Its a win-win.

I'll stop now and finish this job I am procrastinating over.

[pritch]

If the cars are stopped I will continue to use the cycle lane so I can get to the head of a queue of traffic.

I (used to) do all kinds of ummm unusual things on the moped, footpaths, pedestrian underpasses, private property, whatever. If it keeps me moving in stopped traffic - it's on.

But cycle lanes I've never tried as I don't like the odds. So you get to the front of the queue at the red light and the dreamboat in the car next to you decides to turn left, how does that work?

I can see how it works on the pushbike, the safest method is to jump the lights; but on a motorbike?

[rastuscat]

I actually think I'll go out and start painting out all cycle lanes. They make people feel safe going down the left side of stationary vehicles. When in fact is fecking dangerous.

Donut was nice.

[bogan]

I actually think I'll go out and start painting out all cycle lanes. They make people feel safe going down the left side of stationary vehicles. When in fact is fecking dangerous.

Donut was nice.

How fast was he doing? Seems a silly place to put a cycle lane if it is that dangerous...

[rastuscat]

On a cost benefit analysis, clearly what you need to do is withdraw the silly ticket. 90 minutes of your time to prep it, plus a morning to attend Court, at your hideously inflated salary, plus the difficult to quantify but no less real fact that you should be out saving lives and eating donuts instead of sitting in court means withdrawing the ticket is the only logical outcome. Its a win-win.

I'll stop now and finish this job I am procrastinating over.

Okay. So each time someone disputes a ticket, we should take your advice and withdraw it.

How long do you suppose it would be before everyone twigged to that, and requested a hearing for every ticket ever issued?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Okay. So each time someone disputes a ticket, we should take your advice and withdraw it.

How long do you suppose it would be before everyone twigged to that, and requested a hearing for every ticket ever issued?

"constitutional right and all that" I think was the phrase you used.

My personal view is that there should be no such thing as an infringement notice. They are stealth taxes carrying criminal sanction. If an organ of the state (of which you are one... which, I'm not saying ;-) ) believes a citizen has committed an unlawful act then clearly the only venue to properly decide that is the Court.

So, my answer is yes.

[buggerit]

If the cycle lane is safe for cycles but not m/cycles, the only difference I can see is speed of travel.
The dangers I see are is traffic entering the cycle lane from your left or right which would apply to all cycle lane users.
My thoughts would be a speed restriction for all users of the cycle lane would be a better idea, and may encourage more onto bikes and
reduce traffic congestion.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I actually think I'll go out and start painting out all cycle lanes. They make people feel safe going down the left side of stationary vehicles. When in fact is fecking dangerous.

Donut was nice.

Donuts ARE nice.

Why is it considered "safe" for a cyclist to be in a painted cycle lane on the left of traffic but not a motorcyclist? When I did it I was mostly on my scooter and I used to have pretty good spidey senses developed over 16 years of pushbiking to work... my point being that you don't go quickly in a cycle lane because a moron pedestrian will walk out in front of you texting, or a cuntish car driver will use the cycle lane as a left turning lane, or a fucking door will open or some fucking retarded tradesdrone will have at trailer with so much shit on it that it should be behind a logging truck not a Hi Lux.

In answer to pritch's comment I used to trickle up to the front, then when the light goes green wait for the car to go then beat them across the intersection. My internal rule was to only do that if the traffic was stopped. if it is moving no matter how slow I did not do it because too many variables. I also tended to just do it at the big intersections.. brougham street/strickland street, antigua/moorhouse etc.

Now I drive my SUV to work so I can drink coffee and listen to music and back over cyclists. Because I am a grumpy old man and the most typical of appalling christchurch drivers. :) I'm OK with that.

[rastuscat]

If the cycle lane is safe for cycles..........

They aren't safe for anyone.

[bogan]

They aren't safe for anyone.

So how many cyclists did you ticket?

[rastuscat]

If the cycle lane is safe for cycles..........

They aren't safe for anyone.

[rastuscat]

Two that day.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I actually think I'll go out and start painting out all cycle lanes. They make people feel safe going down the left side of stationary vehicles. When in fact is fecking dangerous.

Donut was nice.

One of the most useful things I did yesterday was complete this survey:

http://canterbury.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_5dKJcg6BEP0dpNX


which is about stuff that my council could do to make it safer for me to bike to woark. Overseas experience confirms that the only thing that actually works is proper completely separated cycle paths so that cars and cyclists don't interact. I don't really want to get into another pointless internet argument with fuckwits about cycling. but that is clear. Think about Copenhagen, Amsterdam or Portland.

The other thing is it would be cheap to do, and it has all sorts of other benefits... (health, congestion).

So painting out the painted cycle ways? Yup, I am all for that.

[tigertim20]

off topic a tad, because I dont give a fuck about the issuing of said ticket... however you have raised another issue - cyclists.
Im curious as to how often, if at all, you fellas go on the hunt for cyclists - part of my job involves seeing a variety of customers every day, and out of every ten intersections I have to stop at, I probably see 6-7 instances of cyclists running red lights etc etc, never seems to be any focus on the little bastards which is odd given the furore when one of the little cunts gets squished

[HenryDorsetCase]

. I don't really want to get into another pointless internet argument with fuckwits about cycling. but that is clear. .

I am quoting myself because I am awesome, and I must stop myself .....

[rastuscat]

off topic a tad, because I dont give a fuck about the issuing of said ticket... however you have raised another issue - cyclists.
Im curious as to how often, if at all, you fellas go on the hunt for cyclists - part of my job involves seeing a variety of customers every day, and out of every ten intersections I have to stop at, I probably see 6-7 instances of cyclists running red lights etc etc, never seems to be any focus on the little bastards which is odd given the furore when one of the little cunts gets squished

I write more tickets for cyclists going through reds than most. Still not many, but more than most.

The fine is the same as for a car, and that's what stops most cops from enforcing it. It seems disproportionate fro a cyclists to get a $150 fine for going through a red light.

I do it because it degrades the relationship between cyclists (of which I'm one) and other road users.

When I'm talking to motorcyclists they bitch about cyclists, and when I'm talking to cyclists they bitch about motorcyclists using cycle lanes.

Maybe I'm just a pissing post for people to bitch at.

[rastuscat]

I am quoting myself because I am awesome, and I must stop myself .....

Is that O for orsome?

[HenryDorsetCase]

I do it because it degrades the relationship between cyclists (of which I'm one) and other road users.

When I'm talking to motorcyclists they bitch about cyclists, and when I'm talking to cyclists they bitch about motorcyclists using cycle lanes.

Maybe I'm just a pissing post for people to bitch at.

there is that.

but like I said above, I honestly thought it was OK to do that till this morning. Ima prolly still do it if I think I can safely, but I will know it is unlawful when I do.

I'm kind of the Rik Mayall of christchurch, stickin' it to the man.....

[pritch]

I probably see 6-7 instances of cyclists running red lights etc etc,

As per my earlier post, that's the safest way to do it on a pushbike. Sometimes you place yourself in a more dangerous situation by obeying the law than you do by breaking it. Waiting at an intersection until the light turns green is one. If the light is still red and there is nothing coming - go.

Similarly the speed limit is 100kph, but if you do all your overtaking at 100kph you will be spending an awful lot of time on the wrong side of the road. Not to mention you will be pissing a lot of people off.

Somebody on KB uses a signature line to the effect, "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men." Which quote apparently should be attributed to Douglas Bader. (If you don't know, look him up.)

The point is that rules do not fit all circumstance all of the time. Sometimes you are safer to ignore the rule. Of course, if you are not quite as wise as you thought you were there may be pain. Physical, financial, or otherwise.

People who don't ride pushbikes should best refrain from commenting on how people ride them. That's directly comparable to car drivers commenting on motorcyclists.

[tigertim20]

As per my earlier post, that's the safest way to do it on a pushbike. Sometimes you place yourself in a more dangerous situation by obeying the law than you do by breaking it. Waiting at an intersection until the light turns green is one. If the light is still red and there is nothing coming - go.

Sinilarly the speed limit is 100kph, but if you do all your overtaking at 100kph you will be spending an awful lot of time on the wrong side of the road. Not to metion you will be pissing a lot of people off.

Somebody on KB uses a signature line to the effect, "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men." Which quote apparently should be attributed to Douglas Bader. (If you don't know, look him up.)

The point is that rules do not fit all circumstance all of the time. Sometimes you are safer to ignore the rule. Of course, if you are not quite as wise as you thought you were there may be pain. Physical, financial, or otherwise.

People who don't ride pushbikes should best refrain from commenting on how people ride them. That's directly comparable to car drivers commenting on motorcyclists.

have ridden a pushbike from time to time to work and back. keeping fit and all that, so I get it.
what Im talking about is, Im coasting up to a light that has just gone red, alongside a cyclist, the light goes red, I stop, the cyclist glances quickly then blows right through.

Im not talking about taking off a second or two before the cars when the lights are just about to go green again, Im talking about blatant disregard for the road rules, then these fuckwits bitch and complain about getting run over? running reds is just the start of it.
I could go on for hours about the fuckwits that ride 2, or 3 abreast in areas that are totally unsuited to such practices. The need a fuckin good kicking the lot of them

[HenryDorsetCase]

People who don't ride pushbikes should best refrain from commenting on how people ride them. That's directly comparable to car drivers commenting on motorcyclists.

This, I agree with.

[HenryDorsetCase]

have ridden a pushbike from time to time to work and back. keeping fit and all that, so I get it.
what Im talking about is, Im coasting up to a light that has just gone red, alongside a cyclist, the light goes red, I stop, the cyclist glances quickly then blows right through.

Im not talking about taking off a second or two before the cars when the lights are just about to go green again, Im talking about blatant disregard for the road rules, then these fuckwits bitch and complain about getting run over? running reds is just the start of it.
I could go on for hours about the fuckwits that ride 2, or 3 abreast in areas that are totally unsuited to such practices. The need a fuckin good kicking the lot of them

have you ever been out on a pushbike and had some cunt in a car come past you at 100k plus so close that it sucks you into the slipstream? Or a truck for that matter. That is why bunch riding roadies shoal up like that. It is to force cunts like you to slow the fuck down and pass properly. It inconveniences you for thirty seconds? Good because fuck you.

Jesus, its happening innit?

[R650R]

They aren't safe for anyone.

Do you ever ticket cyclists for unsafe speed in these cycle lanes when the traffic is mostly stopped/banked up. eg the speed differential of what other road users are expecting in that environment as many of these fancy pushbikes get some serious speed on. As an example leaving Karapoti after a sports event heading towards rimutakas in 100k zone traffic coming other way was banked up and I expected some frustrated motorist to do a desperate uturn to take a short cut so slowed my car to 70-80 and sure enough some prick in a Hilux launched out in front of me...
There must be a lot of door opening incidents on cycle lanes when traffic backed up as Jenny from accounts decides to ditch the lift from her flatmate and walk the last 200m to office etc...

The guy you ticketed is a fool, guess he'll love the court costs he gets lumped with.
Do they ever charge these people and their accomplices with perjury, like on motorway patrol last night the girlfriend of the drunk guy helped stuff the police around with her lies but then let go.
I even sat in on a court case and watched a prosecution witness commit perjury and to a level that the prosecuting cops would have known too, but guess they didn't want to compromise their main case, which they ended up losing anyway. Pretty annoying in a case involving road safety and the seemingly lack of desire to use the new chain of responsibility laws to curb offending...

[nodrog]

Right, so I'm the motorcycle supervisor in Christchurch. I get told to make motorcycling safer by anyone who has an axe to grind.

Our crash attendance guys attend at least 2 or 3 crashes each week where a motorcyclist or moped rider gets knocked off when riding down a cycle lane. It's against the law, it's a bad idea, anyway, that's not what this is about.

I got a weed on a few weeks ago about motorcyclists just riding in unsafe places, so I went and sat on a particular cycle lane and waited for something to happen. Like, I was there specifically looking.

Huge amounts of traffic at that time, traffic was banked up for miles. Sure enough, a bloke on a bike rides up the cycle lane, at least 100 metres that I saw, overtaking all the stationary traffic. I step out, stop the guy, and we enter into discourse on the rights and wrongs. He tells me that he thought it was okay for motorcyclists to use cycle lanes. It isn't. I end up writing a ticket.

Some weeks later, I'm advised that the ticket is being defended. That's cool, constitutional rights, all that sort of thing. A ticket is just my allegation. No probs.

Here's the kicker. The rider is now saying that he had only used the lane to negotiate hazards on the road, and that he did so safely. Fecking lies.

That's the problem with making shit up; you have to remember the lies that you've told, as somewhere they will be recorded and drawn back to your attention. I made notes of what was said at the roadside, I know what the excuse was at the time, and that this new excuse is BS.

And this egg is running around telling all his mates that the cops are revenue collecting scum sucking bottom dwellers (I feel a quote-fest coming on), making us look like the ones who broke the rules.

Just venting during the break I've given myself from the 90 minutes of paperwork it will take me to get the bloody thing ready for the court case.

Donut time.


You got weed on? Bummer.

[Ulsterkiwi]

They aren't safe for anyone.

so you dont necessarily agree with cycle lanes?

In Wgtn they seem to appear and disappear like John Key's memory.......

There is one stretch along Old Hutt Road where you cross a cycle lane any time you enter or leave the premises of one of the many businesses along there. Cyclists always seem upset when you do that, cross over the lane I mean.

My wife is Dutch, as a kid she rode her pushbike and then her scooter on basically a separate road with its own signals, crossings etc. I would have thought with the rebuild in ChCh now would be the perfect time to try roading like that out?

I have used the hard shoulder at times to pass stationary traffic. I avoid it now and filter up the middle. I would find it hard to say I thought it was ok when I there is clearly doubt!

[willytheekid]

They aren't safe for anyone.

+1

Why is everyone on here arguing against common sence road positioning?
...ride down the left and you are gonna have wee smidsy when someone pulls over or turns, that simple!

proof
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/136359-A-rant-How-NOT-to-filter-through-traffic-in-Ch-ch-rush-hour?p=1130025130#post1130025130

That kid learnt the hard way...you lot wanna risk a fine and the ability to walk...go ahead, make rastuscat eat more donuts while doing the paper work...but don't cry when your own stupid chocie in road positioning gets ya crippled or worse!


cycle lane = cycles
BUT...in case ya didnt know, you CAN legally use them....for 50mtrs if turing thorugh the cycle lane

Ride safe KBers...or Rastustcat may get fat from all the donuts & paper work :laugh:

[R650R]

have you ever been out on a pushbike and had some cunt in a car come past you at 100k plus so close that it sucks you into the slipstream? Or a truck for that matter. That is why bunch riding roadies shoal up like that. It is to force cunts like you to slow the fuck down and pass properly. It inconveniences you for thirty seconds? Good because fuck you.

Jesus, its happening innit?

Been on both sides of that equation except for the queer pack riding thing holding up traffic on purpose. Your attitude is the reason why motorists don't give a $%$^ and pass close.
In the truck I'd always give a short friendly blip (not a blast) of the horn approaching cyclists on state highways just to see how aware they are.
About 90% would look over their shoulder and move left a little where possible. The other 10% adopt small penis syndrome and ride in centre of lane or don't move etc. One guy even pulled out and gave me the finger, often wonder if he was same guy run over and killed on that road a few weeks later...
I hate to get into this whole pigeon hole of road users thing but all sides have got a long way to go before one is better or worse than the other.

[buggerit]

have you ever been out on a pushbike and had some cunt in a car come past you at 100k plus so close that it sucks you into the slipstream? Or a truck for that matter. That is why bunch riding roadies shoal up like that. It is to force cunts like you to slow the fuck down and pass properly. It inconveniences you for thirty seconds? Good because fuck you.

Jesus, its happening innit?

Gotta watch dem stock trucks, no sense of humour, man those trailer shit hold a few litres! BARSTARDS!:shit:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Been on both sides of that equation except for the queer pack riding thing holding up traffic on purpose. Your attitude is the reason why motorists don't give a $%$^ and pass close.
In the truck I'd always give a short friendly blip (not a blast) of the horn approaching cyclists on state highways just to see how aware they are.
About 90% would look over their shoulder and move left a little where possible. The other 10% adopt small penis syndrome and ride in centre of lane or don't move etc. One guy even pulled out and gave me the finger, often wonder if he was same guy run over and killed on that road a few weeks later...
I hate to get into this whole pigeon hole of road users thing but all sides have got a long way to go before one is better or worse than the other.

one of my mates was clipped by a cunt towing a caravan because the cunt would not pull over. It tipped him off the Summit road and down a bank. He was lucky he only had a broken collarbone, cuts and bruises. If I know you have seen me and I am on my bike I WILL pull out to the centre of the lane so you have to slow the fuck down.

You might recall that churchur had a few wee earth tremors recently? a consequence of that is carnage on the roads and repairs and road cones for miles. I ride through those in the middle of the lane because getting forced into a hole in the ground, or a gutter or under your trucks wheels is not my idea of a good time.

I did giggle at the "hate to get into this whole pigeon hole" when all your contribution does is exactly that.

I only do it because in my experience it is true. you are not paranoid if they actually are trying to kill you.

[Surly Rubec]

I believe marked cycle lanes are an aberration and waste of tax money
I believe compulsory helmets are dictatorial and reduce cycle usage.
We have a cycle lane here between Waipawa and Waipukurau, been there for years, cost millions. Yet I have never seen a cyclist on it ever. Not once Not ever.
I cannot walk the 1.5 kilometre distance to get my groceries without meeting a police car on the way. Sometimes its three off them.
16 police cars to chase down a motorist on Aucklands motorway
No. 4 Son pulled up twice in succession in two days by the same cop.
And yet we are to believe this is policing for our benefit and not absolute bloody rorting gauging grazing corrupt revenue gathering.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I believe marked cycle lanes are an aberration and waste of tax money
I believe compulsory helmets are dictatorial and reduce cycle usage.
We have a cycle lane here between Waipawa and Waipukurau, been there for years, cost millions. Yet I have never seen a cyclist on it ever. Not once Not ever.
I cannot walk the 1.5 kilometre distance to get my groceries without meeting a police car on the way. Sometimes its three off them.
16 police cars to chase down a motorist on Aucklands motorway
No. 4 Son pulled up twice in succession in two days by the same cop.
And yet we are to believe this is policing for our benefit and not absolute bloody rorting gauging grazing corrupt revenue gathering.

serves you right for living next to a dunkin donuts.

[HenryDorsetCase]

so there.297791

[SPman]

I'm kind of the Rik Mayall of christchurch, stickin' it to the man.....

..and lying dead at the top of the stairs?.......

[Akzle]

this thread sucked, rastus. To be fair, it was mostly the lawyercunt, but still. You started it. Congratulations on making yet another mans day shittier.

[swbarnett]

Sometimes you place yourself in a more dangerous situation by obeying the law than you do by breaking it.
When I lived in Switzerland their equivalent of the road code started my saying "these are the rules". Then it went on to say "if the rules don't fit sort out the situation among yourselves". It finished be saying that if there was a PTT (Post, Telegram and Telegraph) bus involved what the bus driver says is law*.




*The Swiss bus drivers are some of the best drivers I've seen. Consider that they drive over some high mountain passes on some very narrow roads. The most fun I've ever had in a bus was being swung about while the driver drover hammer down trying to get us to the last train of the night. The bus was damn near sideways around some corners.

[GrayWolf]

I write more tickets for cyclists going through reds than most. Still not many, but more than most.

The fine is the same as for a car, and that's what stops most cops from enforcing it. It seems disproportionate fro a cyclists to get a $150 fine for going through a red light.

I do it because it degrades the relationship between cyclists (of which I'm one) and other road users.

When I'm talking to motorcyclists they bitch about cyclists, and when I'm talking to cyclists they bitch about motorcyclists using cycle lanes.

Maybe I'm just a pissing post for people to bitch at.

So it's a 'cycle' lane..... he was on a motorised CYCLE..... ;)
I havent bothered to read the 'law/statute'.. as I am sure you will have had to, I guess that'd be a box of donuts to provide mental 'lubrication' reading the lawyerspeak twaddle they use. And probably there is some passage buried in it defining exactly what a 'cycle' is.....:wacko:

Now about this 'disproportionate' fine for a cyclist running a red?? Using THAT logic, the fine is also disproportionate for a motorcycle, after all, if a 'cycle' is only 20-25% of the width of a car? We (Motorcycle) are only about 1/3 the size.....

Just sayin....

more donuts to Ya!!

[HenryDorsetCase]

this thread sucked, rastus. To be fair, it was mostly the lawyercunt, but still. You started it. Congratulations on making yet another mans day shittier.

I don't mind "lawyercunt" but my jimmies get rustled at "lawyerjew".

Just so you know. :)

I love you, man.

[Banditbandit]

Right, so I'm the motorcycle supervisor in Christchurch. I get told to make motorcycling safer by anyone who has an axe to grind.

Our crash attendance guys attend at least 2 or 3 crashes each week where a motorcyclist or moped rider gets knocked off when riding down a cycle lane. It's against the law, it's a bad idea, anyway, that's not what this is about.


<chopped>


Just venting during the break I've given myself from the 90 minutes of paperwork it will take me to get the bloody thing ready for the court case.

Donut time.


I hope you feel better after venting ...


You should have had this a lot - dumb fuckers trying to defend the indefensible ...




Maybe I'm just a pissing post for people to bitch at.

You're a cop - sorry, it does go with the territory ... you have my sympathy, but you chose the job ...


And Yeah - I did know it was illegal to use the cycle lanes unless you are in a cycle of the push bike type ... it's also dumb to ride that close to the curb or parked cars - if anything happens there is bugger all time to react ... kids running out, people stepping out, people opening car doors ... on a push bike the speed is not there, even if the impact is ... on a motorbike you add speed and weight to the equation ..

[Banditbandit]

Now about this 'disproportionate' fine for a cyclist running a red?? Using THAT logic, the fine is also disproportionate for a motorcycle, after all, if a 'cycle' is only 20-25% of the width of a car? We (Motorcycle) are only about 1/3 the size.....

Just sayin....

more donuts to Ya!!

The consequence of running as red light on a bike or a motorbike are much the same - crash and possibly dead !!!

The point is to stop people doing it - not to make it cheaper when they get caught.

If you don't like the penalty don't commit the offense (what was that again about deterrent sentences?? Apply that concept to the Road Rules).

[rastuscat]

Maybe I'll start a thread about cycle safety. I'll post a link that causes your smart phone camera to come on and show the reader a picture of themselves.

Coz that's who can do the most to improve their own safety. Just like motorcyclists.

Clocked off. So now I can go back to being obscene and disrespectful. Just like Akzle. Deep down I admire him for at least sticking to his guns.

[Akzle]

I don't mind "lawyercunt" but my jimmies get rustled at "lawyerjew".

Just so you know. :)

I love you, man.

choke on one. Cyclist.

[R650R]

If I know you have seen me and I am on my bike I WILL pull out to the centre of the lane so you have to slow the fuck down.


So what happens when you pull this stunt in front of a P smoker or a car load of gang members??? Cycle lobby groups scream for protection and obeying of road rules but their the first to break them when it suits, prob more so than motorbikers even!!!
Everyone is cool with riding around obvious potholes, rough roads etc.
But deliberately obstructing traffic is small man syndrome road rage.

BTW its not the vehicles 'passing to close' that you should be worried about. If someone is going to run into you its probably because they're completely oblivious to your presence or not paying attention.
Its quite common for a variety of road users to run into parked vehicles due to the above. Should we start parking our cars in middle of road to stop people from running into them???

I got run over by a hilux on my motorbike once waiting to turn right, the lady was doing her makeup or something...
Now I just as easily could have been a cyclist in same spot and everyone would be crying out for special lanes and 1.5m etc....

[unstuck]

I love donuts, wish dunkin donuts was closer. :drool:

[FJRider]

I actually think I'll go out and start painting out all cycle lanes. They make people feel safe going down the left side of stationary vehicles. When in fact is fecking dangerous.

Donut was nice.

A cycle lane must be safe ... ??? .. Cars parked with occupants ready to open their doors in front of you on the left side. And flowing traffic (some heavy) to your right.

All done with a piece of reinforced plastic on your head ... as the sole legal requirement for your safety. What possibly could go wrong .. ???

[Gremlin]

When I'm talking to motorcyclists they bitch about cyclists, and when I'm talking to cyclists they bitch about motorcyclists using cycle lanes.

Maybe I'm just a pissing post for people to bitch at.
Well duuuh, it's another of those unwritten rules (like you throwing out tickets that are disputed). If you complain about some other road group that's worse, you get off your ticket! ;)


Deep down I admire him for at least sticking to his guns.
Stop encouraging him :facepalm:

[Ulsterkiwi]

Stop encouraging him :facepalm:

does he need encouraged? :cool:

[rastuscat]

does he need encouraged? :cool:

Nah, he needs a jolly good rogering.

[Ulsterkiwi]

that might be the root of the problem.....(see what I did there?)

you are right though, old Akzle is nothing if not dependable. I feel for him though, you did know his family has connections with the Gallileean region and he is angry at his heritage right? :rolleyes:

[FJRider]

Nah, he needs a jolly good rogering.

You know Rodger (check the member list) ... ??? he didn't seem the type to attack an innocent ... :scratch:

[unstuck]

that might be the root of the problem.....(see what I did there?)

you are right though, old Akzle is nothing if not dependable. I feel for him though, you did know his family has connections with the Gallileean region and he is angry at his heritage right? :rolleyes:

It,s ok, you are allowed to say GOATS you know.:yes:

[HenryDorsetCase]

deliberately obstructing traffic is small man syndrome road rage.

BTW its not the vehicles 'passing to close' that you should be worried about.

Its true I do have a small penis. Thats OK your Mum doesnt seem to mind.

Please don't tell me what I should be worried about on the roads. I worry about everything.

To be honest I was never much of a roadie. I managed to hurt myself sufficiently on a mountainbike running into bits of scenery that adding HM highways and their users to the mix seemed to be asking for trouble. But as I said earlier, I did commute by bike pretty much every day for 16 or so years. I have seen pretty much every bit of fuckwittery there is to see by drivers. And cyclists. And motorbike riders. and truck drivers.

As I also said earlier, the only way to reduce cyclist road rage is for cyclists to have their own space that cars cannot use. Separated, and not just by paint. I mentioned Portland, Amsterdam and Copenhagen, another poster mentioned the Netherlands too.

Do you know what they put on French fries in Amsterdam?

[unstuck]

Do you know what they put on French fries in Amsterdam?

Mayonnaise. :whistle:

[Akzle]

Do you know what they put on French fries in Amsterdam?

the metric system!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Mayonnaise. :whistle:

They drown 'em in that shit. I seen em do it.

Know what they call a Quarter Pounder with Cheese?

[GrayWolf]

The consequence of running as red light on a bike or a motorbike are much the same - crash and possibly dead !!!

The point is to stop people doing it - not to make it cheaper when they get caught.

If you don't like the penalty don't commit the offense (what was that again about deterrent sentences?? Apply that concept to the Road Rules).

Oh for goodness sake..

read both posts (rastus's and mine').... your post is so out of context..... :corn:

[unstuck]

They drown 'em in that shit. I seen em do it.

Know what they call a Quarter Pounder with Cheese?

No fuckin Idea? :no:

[SMOKEU]

I do at least 100km a week on push bike around Christchurch streets, and I don't give a fuck about motorcyclists using cycle lanes, as long as they're not being dicks about it.

[FJRider]

Oh for goodness sake..

read both posts (rastus's and mine').... your post is so out of context..... :corn:

well ... out there ... waaaaayy out there ... <_<

[nzspokes]

Sometimes its three off them.


You have 3 cops in Waipawa?

[Ulsterkiwi]

Do you know what they put on French fries in Amsterdam?

yup, potat met....only thing you have to tell them is a little box or a little sack....no sniggering in the back....


They drown 'em in that shit. I seen em do it.

Know what they call a Quarter Pounder with Cheese?

and its pretty good actually, especially with a frikendel

the burger would be a Royale?

is this the bit where you shoot someone in the face? :msn-wink:

[pritch]

The only Dutch delicacy I can recall is "uismeijter", which sounds more exotic than it is.

[Berries]

The only Dutch delicacy I can recall is "uismeijter", which sounds more exotic than it is.
That translates to fanny batter in my Dutch dictionary.



With mayo.

[Katman]

....part of my job involves seeing a variety of customers every day, and out of every ten intersections I have to stop at, I probably see 6-7 instances of cyclists running red lights etc etc....

Do you wash windscreens for a living?

[willytheekid]

No fuckin Idea? :no:

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ps...Why are peddlebikes not forced by law to have a minimum of one mirror?....EVERY other road going vehicle must legally have mirrors...or they are not allowed on the road, due to being being at risk ooof...being rear ended or pulling out into the path of a truck! they have not seen...funny that ay, whats the figures on cyclists being struck from behind again Rastuscat? (And why is "Good use of mirrors" so high on the list during any license sitting?)

[SMOKEU]

ps...Why are peddlebikes not forced by law to have a minimum of one mirror?....EVERY other road going vehicle must legally have mirrors...or they are not allowed on the road, due to being being at risk ooof...being rear ended or pulling out into the path of a truck! they have not seen...funny that ay, whats the figures on cyclists being struck from behind again Rastuscat? (And why is "Good use of mirrors" so high on the list during any license sitting?)

It's a bit tricky to fit any decent sized mirrors to a road (push) bike, and the extra weight and wind resistance is not good.

[unstuck]

I thought the "royale with cheese" was what they called it in france. :scratch:
Or has Amsterdam been moved recently, without me hearing about it.

[Drew]

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ps...Why are peddlebikes not forced by law to have a minimum of one mirror?....EVERY other road going vehicle must legally have mirrors...or they are not allowed on the road, due to being being at risk ooof...being rear ended or pulling out into the path of a truck! they have not seen...funny that ay, whats the figures on cyclists being struck from behind again Rastuscat? (And why is "Good use of mirrors" so high on the list during any license sitting?)

It's the brain piercing lights they point straight at windscreen height that fucks me off.

Wet morning before it gets light, and being blinded coming up to a round-a-bout. Good times.

[willytheekid]

It's a bit tricky to fit any decent sized mirrors to a road (push) bike, and the extra weight and wind resistance is not good.

I suggest you google "cycle mirrors" images...you may get a shock at the range, shit, you can even get them with indicators and running lights.

...or is it asking FAR to much to ask cycles to invest $20-$50 to add to there own road safety?...or is it easier to just sit back and demand change from others while making no effort or change yourself <_<

Cyclist need to move into the 21st century...the roads have changed, but they seem to reluctant to adapt even for there own safety?...hence, let the law do it for them (Like THATS ever gonna happen!...they seem to be invisible to the popo and currently get away with murder!...there own!!)

[willytheekid]

I thought the "royale with cheese" was what they called it in france. :scratch:
Or has Amsterdam been moved recently, without me hearing about it.
HAY!..Ive only had one coffee!...so
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[unstuck]

HAY!..Ive only had one coffee!...so
297815

:love: u

Finished my toast about 30 min ago. And on my second coffee. Got lots of ripping down of buildings in the digger today, so gotta keep my strength up.:banana::banana:

[willytheekid]

Finished my toast about 30 min ago. And on my second coffee. Got lots of ripping down of buildings in the digger today, so gotta keep my strength up.:banana::banana:

:drool:smashing things with a DIGGER!...now your just showing off:oi-grr:...bastard!:weep: (so jealous! lol)
...have a great day smashing stuff mate...will you be using your mirrors on the digger?:lol:

[unstuck]

:drool:smashing things with a DIGGER!...now your just showing off:oi-grr:...bastard!:weep: (so jealous! lol)
...have a great day smashing stuff mate...will you be using your mirrors on the digger?:lol:

Not a fuckin chance, anyone who knows me, know to stay the fuck away when Im breaking shit. :2thumbsup

[Katman]

...or is it easier to just sit back and demand change from others while making no effort or change yourself?

Seriously Willy? You're asking that on a motorcyclists forum?

You're a funny old duffer.

[willytheekid]

Seriously Willy? You're asking that on a motorcyclists forum?

You're a funny old duffer.

LOL...I live in hope?:confused:

...just seems odd that all other vehicles are forced by law an commonsence to have mirrors...yet cyclists? (And the stats prove most cyclists are hit from behind...linky?)

[Robbo]

Not a fuckin chance, anyone who knows me, know to stay the fuck away when Im breaking shit. :2thumbsup

Just keep that digger out of the cycle lanes Unstuck or Rastus in gunna get you..:lol:

[HenryDorsetCase]

No fuckin Idea? :no:

Royale with Cheese.

I am bored with this thread now so my contribution will be PULP FICTION quotes.

[HenryDorsetCase]

The only Dutch delicacy I can recall is "uismeijter", which sounds more exotic than it is.

I can't remember the name but those butter biscuits with cinnamon are pretty good. Also licorice.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I suggest you google "cycle mirrors" images...you may get a shock at the range, shit, you can even get them with indicators and running lights.

...or is it asking FAR to much to ask cycles to invest $20-$50 to add to there own road safety?...or is it easier to just sit back and demand change from others while making no effort or change yourself <_<

Cyclist need to move into the 21st century...the roads have changed, but they seem to reluctant to adapt even for there own safety?...hence, let the law do it for them (Like THATS ever gonna happen!...they seem to be invisible to the popo and currently get away with murder!...there own!!)



Vincent Vega: Aw, man. I shot Marvin in the face.
Jules Winnfield: Why the fuck did you do that?


Honestly, the victim blaming gets us nowhere, and it is my firm belief that cyclists and cars (especially in chur chur) cannot share the road safely. And lighting yourself up like a christmas tree, mirrors, fricking hi viz and whatever you like (the guy with the LED ropes round his wheels I saw last night for instance) will not change that. Car drivers don't give a shit about other users safety its as simple as that. We get in our little box with our coffee, our stereo and our heater and comfy chair and its like being in the lounge at home... whats outside the windscreen may as well be on the telly.

All you do is make yourself an easier to hit target by adopting all that shit.

My solution?, glad you asked

fully segregated cycle ways (it only will cost $18M FFS) into the city.
legislative change that reverses the onus of proof. Any vehicle that hits a cyclist or motorcyclist is deemed to be at fault until they can establish otherwise.
every car driver required when obtaining licence to complete motorcycle BHS and ride on road on two wheels.


simple and effective.

[willytheekid]

...Any vehicle that hits a cyclist or motorcyclist is deemed to be at fault until they can establish otherwise.
.

Ohh I like that part!:clap:

Yip, agree Henry, seperation would help alot...but could be difficult & costly to impliment.

My only bitch is the mirror issue as the stats clearly show that a majority of cyclists are hit frm behind, that alone indicates a problem with danger avoidance from the rear(Now THAT sounds bad lol)....or in basic terms...there blind to whats behind them, and its getting them killed!

...the fact remains, cars, motorcycles, trucks etc have ALL had changes made to them either law wise or physically to improve operator safety...yet cyclists?...what changes have they made to ensure there own safety?...training?...licensing?...investing in mirrors?...NUP!!...hell, they even bitched an moaned when the helmet law was introduced....and how many lives has that saved?? (Kids mostly thank god)

MIRRORS!...if its being used on a public road, it should legally be required to have mirrors!...may make some cyclists think twice before randomly swinging into traffic to avoid a bit of rubbish or pothole, just to end up under a truck that has 5 times the braking distance as the cyclist...who could have easy just stopped after seeing said truck coming from behind.

...you know it make's sense ;)

ps...
Vincent Vega: "Aw, man. I shot Marvin in the face"
Jules Winnfield: "Why the fuck did you do that?"

...I aint cleaning that shit up!, towels in the cupboard
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[Robbo]

I can't remember the name but those butter biscuits with cinnamon are pretty good. Also licorice.

Are those the Speculaas Cookies also known as Dutch Windmill Cookies? If so, they are great.:rolleyes:

[Big Dog]

Does anyone know, is it a bylaw in Auckland or false advertising on the part of bike shops that at one point or another almost all the bike shops have told me in one form or another that I can ride in cycle lanes?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Are those the Speculaas Cookies also known as Dutch Windmill Cookies? If so, they are great.:rolleyes:

Yeah thats them. Now I want them. and another coffee. but more would not be good. I'm pretty wired already.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Ohh I like that part!:clap:

Yip, agree Henry, seperation would help alot...but could be difficult & costly to impliment.

My only bitch is the mirror issue as the stats clearly show that a majority of cyclists are hit frm behind, that alone indicates a problem with danger avoidance from the rear(Now THAT sounds bad lol)....or in basic terms...there blind to whats behind them, and its getting them killed!

...the fact remains, cars, motorcycles, trucks etc have ALL had changes made to them either law wise or physically to improve operator safety...yet cyclists?...what changes have they made to ensure there own safety?...training?...licensing?...investing in mirrors?...NUP!!...hell, they even bitched an moaned when the helmet law was introduced....and how many lives has that saved?? (Kids mostly thank god)

MIRRORS!...if its being used on a public road, it should legally be required to have mirrors!...may make some cyclists think twice before randomly swinging into traffic to avoid a bit of rubbish or pothole, just to end up under a truck that has 5 times the braking distance as the cyclist...who could have easy just stopped after seeing said truck coming from behind.

...you know it make's sense ;)
)

Actually, I'm not sure that it does. In any scenario where a cyclist and other vehicles are sharing a roadway, there will be a speed disparity. And therefore there will always be vehicles approaching from the rear. A sane and sensible cyclist is usually pretty far to the left anyway, and has the sphincter well puckered (because of cunts whizzing past at speed 300mm away). We KNOW there are people behind us. We KNOW how vulnerable we are. In my years of communting I never once thought "wish I had a mirror" (usually it was "wish I had a rocket launcher"). Ears are the best defence in my experience. You can hear stuff from behind you if you're listening. One reason I never used a music player communting. It blunts the spidey sense.

______________________
Jules Winnfield: Say 'what' again. Say 'what' again, I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker, say what one more Goddamn time!

[Robbo]

Yeah thats them. Now I want them. and another coffee. but more would not be good. I'm pretty wired already.

We've got a Dutch Cheese Shop just down the road that sells them so i you've got something similar down your way it could be worth checking out.

Thanks for the rep Willy will put you on the cookie munching list, Cheers:lol:

[Drew]

Does anyone know, is it a bylaw in Auckland or false advertising on the part of bike shops that at one point or another almost all the bike shops have told me in one form or another that I can ride in cycle lanes?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

It is legal in Aukland (or parts of it) for bikes to use bus lanes, dunno about cycle lanes. Causes grief when the green light for busses only comes on, and there's a motorbike at the front of the cue.

[R650R]

Vincent Vega: Aw, man. I shot Marvin in the face.
Jules Winnfield: Why the fuck did you do that?


Yes accidents happen even when not intended, great example of the car vs bike problem.



As I also said earlier, the only way to reduce cyclist road rage is for cyclists to have their own space that cars cannot use.

Do you know what they put on French fries in Amsterdam?

I hate to break this to you but cars and trucks have already been doing the separate lane thing and still there's crashes...
The only real solution will be to upgrade the size of sewer pipes so they become a network of cycle tunnels. Lets face it very few of them cycle in rain and suddenly reveal they are closet car owners so will be safe in storm water system...
What we need is a change in behaviour from both sides. But we wont have that while the cyclists annoy the %^*& out of joe blow public with their constant whining and political lobbying of councils for special treatment and funding at tax payers expense. The NZ tall poppy syndrome is prob at work too with many poverty stricken motorists prob pissed at being held up by some obese mid life crisis lance Armstrong wannabe on a 10K carbon fibre bike worth more than most of the cars their holding up.
It would be an interesting experiment to get a control group of cyclists to convert to riding to work on old crappers for month with no helmet and no his vis or lycra and see if change in behaviour from both groups...


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[SMOKEU]

I suggest you google "cycle mirrors" images...you may get a shock at the range, shit, you can even get them with indicators and running lights.

...or is it asking FAR to much to ask cycles to invest $20-$50 to add to there own road safety?...or is it easier to just sit back and demand change from others while making no effort or change yourself <_<

Cyclist need to move into the 21st century...the roads have changed, but they seem to reluctant to adapt even for there own safety?...hence, let the law do it for them (Like THATS ever gonna happen!...they seem to be invisible to the popo and currently get away with murder!...there own!!)

I can't imagine those tiny bar end mirrors being all that useful. I just turn my head to look behind me when I need to.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yes accidents happen even when not intended, great example of the car vs bike problem.



I hate to break this to you but cars and trucks have already been doing the separate lane thing and still there's crashes...
The only real solution will be to upgrade the size of sewer pipes so they become a network of cycle tunnels. Lets face it very few of them cycle in rain and suddenly reveal they are closet car owners so will be safe in storm water system...
What we need is a change in behaviour from both sides. But we wont have that while the cyclists annoy the %^*& out of joe blow public with their constant whining and political lobbying of councils for special treatment and funding at tax payers expense. The NZ tall poppy syndrome is prob at work too with many poverty stricken motorists prob pissed at being held up by some obese mid life crisis lance Armstrong wannabe on a 10K carbon fibre bike worth more than most of the cars their holding up.
It would be an interesting experiment to get a control group of cyclists to convert to riding to work on old crappers for month with no helmet and no his vis or lycra and see if change in behaviour from both groups...



I'm sory to say it but you are full of shit. I am talking about cycle commuting. You seem to be talking about people who can afford nicer bikes than you do.

"lobbying" Who the hell spends more money than anyone and with more success lobbying gubblemunt than the truckies forum (sorry Road Transport Forum).

Add to that a blinkered approach from councils that "car is king", a refusal or inability to invest in a sustainable, mostly enjoyable alternative that pays for itself and has upside benefits for everyone INCLUDING car and truck drivers, and you have the clusterfuck that is road transport in this country.

Do trucks and cars have separate lanes from each other? where? talk to me about these crashes that still happen, please do.

I will say it again: if you have a separate transport infrastructure that physically separates cyclists from other vehicle users it is safer for the cyclists, it is better for car driving drones and truckies alike. What part of that dont you get? IT HELPS YOU AND IT COSTS FUCK ALL.

[Banditbandit]

We've got a Dutch Cheese Shop just down the road that sells them so i you've got something similar down your way it could be worth checking out.






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJhq9eq_eJg

[unstuck]

Just keep that digger out of the cycle lanes Unstuck or Rastus in gunna get you..:lol:

Cycle lane, in Gore......:killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme :killingme:killingme

You have never been here have you. Takes me 8 and a half minuets to do alap of gore on the push bike, in rush hour.:lol::lol:

[buggerit]

Cycle lane, in Gore......:killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme :killingme:killingme

You have never been here have you. Takes me 8 and a half minuets to do alap of gore on the push bike, in rush hour.:lol::lol:

with or without a crate:drinkup:

[pritch]

LOL...I live in hope?:confused:

...just seems odd that all other vehicles are forced by law an commonsence to have mirrors...yet cyclists? (And the stats prove most cyclists are hit from behind...linky?)

This baffled me the first time I read it but I just thought WTF? Here it is again so I can't let it pass. If the stats prove that cyclists get hit from behind, what are mirrors supposed to do? Create a force field that keeps total muppet drivers at bay?

There seems to be a national disease whereby silly solutions to existing problems are enacted, or we have to initiate silly solutions to non-existent problems.

Locally we have a new 80kph limit on several ks of the main road out of town. The accidents have been caused by muppet drivers pulling out of side roads in front of oncoming traffic. An 80kph limit will not fix that.

Now an idiot Police sergeant is suggesting a 30kph limit for all suburban streets in town. This appears to be a solution in search of a problem, we have not had a rash of pedestrians being mowed down by cars doing between 30 and 50kph. The sergeant should find something more suited to his abilities (whatever they are), like gardening.

/Rant

[unstuck]

with or without a crate:drinkup:

Last crate I bought would of been in 1989.;)

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.joyofbaking.com/Speculaas.html

these look fairly straightforward and the recipe is metric which is nice. Should be fairly do-able I reckon and we will have most of the stuff in the cupboard.

I don't tend to do a lot of baking but I reckon I could knock these up one evening.... so tasty.

[willytheekid]

This baffled me the first time I read it but I just thought WTF? Here it is again so I can't let it pass. If the stats prove that cyclists get hit from behind, what are mirrors supposed to do? Create a force field that keeps total muppet drivers at bay?

There seems to be a national disease whereby silly solutions to existing problems are enacted, or we have to initiate silly solutions to non-existent problems.


I too am baffled Pritch....as to just how hard is it to make a link to limited rear visability and repeat accidents and fatalities involving being hit from behind.:confused:

Mirrors certainly won't provide anything more than added visability(altho sheilding...would be damn cool! lol)...the same visability that all road going vehicles enjoy and are legally required to have (something do with studys proving that seeing approaching vehicle's...tends to reduce the chance of pulling out into there path by mistake)

So its certainly NOT a solution, but it may help, and its an affordable option for most to invest $20-$50 to add more visability and safety to there peddly. (I think there are lots of things the public, councils and cops could be implimenting to help....but they seem to be draggin the chain when it comes to action)

...But just to stress a point, I truly do feel for cyclists, they are the most vunerable of our road users...and they are dying at a horriffic rate on our roads, we ALL need to make concessions and make changes to our driving and riding "habits" to have any effect on the current death toll...anything that helps aid the rider and the other road users must be, at the very least, looked at and considered.

...cyclists may not have the leathers...but there on two wheels just like us, hence we as a group, should understand there vunerability a lil-bit more than most, and support there right to ride safely on public roads.

...word up hommies!:D

[willytheekid]

http://www.joyofbaking.com/Speculaas.html

these look fairly straightforward and the recipe is metric which is nice. Should be fairly do-able I reckon and we will have most of the stuff in the cupboard.

I don't tend to do a lot of baking but I reckon I could knock these up one evening.... so tasty.

RIGHT, YOU TEASING BASTARD!...THATS IT!!
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[Robbo]

RIGHT, YOU TEASING BASTARD!...THATS IT!!

:killingme



HaHaHaHaHa..:lol::lol:

[swbarnett]

fully segregated cycle ways (it only will cost $18M FFS) into the city.
legislative change that reverses the onus of proof. Any vehicle that hits a cyclist or motorcyclist is deemed to be at fault until they can establish otherwise.
This is exactly the situation in Switzerland. And it works. And helmets for cyclists were almost non-existent when I was there.

And where there are no cycle paths the motorists and cyclists treat each other with respect.

[swbarnett]

hell, they even bitched an moaned when the helmet law was introduced....and how many lives has that saved?? (Kids mostly thank god)
None. It has been conclusively proven that helmet laws don't work (that's the law, not the helmet). In the 5 years after helmets were made compulsory in NZ the hospital admissions for cyclist head injuries dropped 15%. At the same time that bicycle use dropped 85%.

Sorry, I read that study when it was produced in the late '80s and don't have a link.

[swbarnett]

Causes grief when the green light for busses only comes on, and there's a motorbike at the front of the cue.
It's now legal for a motorcyclist to go on the bus light for exactly this reason. Shortly before it was made legal I got off a ticket for it by arguing that it was safer to not hold up the bus behind me.

[The Pastor]

Does anyone know, is it a bylaw in Auckland or false advertising on the part of bike shops that at one point or another almost all the bike shops have told me in one form or another that I can ride in cycle lanes?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Yeah i ride in cycle lanes all the time, and gone past many cops without issue. I thought we were allowed to use them? we need to sort this out, I don't wanna get a ticket!!

[Taxythingy]

Mirrors certainly won't provide anything more than added visability(altho sheilding...would be damn cool! lol)...the same visability that all road going vehicles enjoy and are legally required to have (something do with studys proving that seeing approaching vehicle's...tends to reduce the chance of pulling out into there path by mistake)

Having spent a lot of time commuting on a bike in Dublin & Christchurch, I'd need to see some really convincing research before thinking that mirrors will have a real impact. My (horribly) biased opinion is that it isn't normally cyclists pulling out in front of cars causing the deaths, it is the car drivers either not seeing the cyclists or trying to overtake where it isn't on. Sure, there are going to be cases where the cyclist just pulls right to turn without checking, wobbles, dodges a pothole at the last minute or any other particular maneuver of the day. But this doesn't seem to be implicated when I hear of cyclists being mown down on the roads.

Cyclists are not going to check a mirror for every vehicle coming up behind just in case it is too far left and hasn't seen them. There's just no way most/all are going to be able to get the information they need to act on, while being able to ignore everything else. In short, mirrors won't help.


...cyclists may not have the leathers...but there on two wheels just like us, hence we as a group, should understand there vunerability a lil-bit more than most, and support there right to ride safely on public roads.

This.

[Taxythingy]

http://www.joyofbaking.com/Speculaas.html

I'm hungry. Page bookmarked for next weekend.

[HenryDorsetCase]

next time I am out on my pushbike I will wear this because it will be at least as effective as hi viz and/or a mirror

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/helmets-clothing-footwear/jackets/auction-739834513.htm

[cynna]

I actually think I'll go out and start painting out all cycle lanes. They make people feel safe going down the left side of stationary vehicles. When in fact is fecking dangerous.

Donut was nice.

life is dangerous. i dont tend to ride in traffic but if i had the chance to pass stationary cars on a motorbike i would take the risk. cant be any more dangerous then inhaling fumes

if i get caught thats ok i know you are just doing your job

[unstuck]

life is dangerous. i dont tend to ride in traffic but if i had the chance to pass stationary cars on a motorbike i would take the risk. cant be any more dangerous then inhaling fumes

if i get caught thats ok i know you are just doing your job

Now that sounds like a reasonable and sensible post.:2thumbsup

[dinosaur]

So let me get this right: you're a cop, who is designated to harassing motorcyclist - you're saying that the cops do single out motorcyclist !!!!


Right, so I'm the motorcycle supervisor in Christchurch.

And being a Police officer the best use of your fuckin time is sit and wait to catch motorcyclist in cycle lanes????


I got a [L]eed on a few weeks ago about motorcyclists just riding in unsafe places, so I went and sat on a particular cycle lane and waited for something to happen.


Just venting during the break I've given myself from the 90 minutes of paperwork it will take me to get the bloody thing ready for the court case.

Donut time.

What a bloody disgrace!! never mind the backlog of childabuse, who gives a flying f**k about all the annoying home burglaries the police cant find time to investigate, or protection orders to enforce - nooooo that would be too much like work wouldn't it
think I'll just go sit on the side of the road to catch the evil motorcyclists ........

Police have forgotten they are public servant - there to serve the public, not their own fucked up sense of reality
who pays your bloody wages - we do you dumbarse

Your own code of conduct states you are to be imbued with a spirit of service to your community - you clearly don't give a toss about your community - just being a fuckin Nazi picking on people who are just trying to get around a bit more efficiently than others

try doing us a favour and go work at McDonalds

[buggerit]

next time I am out on my pushbike I will wear this because it will be at least as effective as hi viz and/or a mirror

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/helmets-clothing-footwear/jackets/auction-739834513.htm

I would prefer to see an orange flashing beacon on top of your helmet cause it would give me a giggle on my morning commute:nya:

[unstuck]

So let me get this right: you're a cop, who is designated to harassing motorcyclist - you're saying that the cops do single out motorcyclist !!!!



And being a Police officer the best use of your fuckin time is sit and wait to catch motorcyclist in cycle lanes????





What a bloody disgrace!! never mind the backlog of childabuse, who gives a flying f**k about all the annoying home burglaries the police cant find time to investigate, or protection orders to enforce - nooooo that would be too much like work wouldn't it
think I'll just go sit on the side of the road to catch the evil motorcyclists ........

Police have forgotten they are public servant - there to serve the public, not their own fucked up sense of reality
who pays your bloody wages - we do you dumbarse

Your own code of conduct states you are to be imbued with a spirit of service to your community - you clearly don't give a toss about your community - just being a fuckin Nazi picking on people who are just trying to get around a bit more efficiently than others

try doing us a favour and go work at McDonalds

Feel better now do you? Just make sure you put all the toys back in the cot before leaving, ok precious.:tugger:

[rickstv]

So let me get this right: you're a cop, who is designated to harassing motorcyclist - you're saying that the cops do single out motorcyclist !!!!



And being a Police officer the best use of your fuckin time is sit and wait to catch motorcyclist in cycle lanes????





What a bloody disgrace!! never mind the backlog of childabuse, who gives a flying f**k about all the annoying home burglaries the police cant find time to investigate, or protection orders to enforce - nooooo that would be too much like work wouldn't it
think I'll just go sit on the side of the road to catch the evil motorcyclists ........






Police have forgotten they are public servant - there to serve the public, not their own fucked up sense of reality
who pays your bloody wages - we do you dumbarse

Your own code of conduct states you are to be imbued with a spirit of service to your community - you clearly don't give a toss about your community - just being a fuckin Nazi picking on people who are just trying to get around a bit more efficiently than others

try doing us a favour and go work at McDonalds


You're new here ay.

Hang about a bit longer and you'll find that Rastus is one of the good guys.

Rick.

[MisterD]

I too am baffled Pritch....as to just how hard is it to make a link to limited rear visability and repeat accidents and fatalities involving being hit from behind.:confused:

Correlation does not mean causation.

It's hardly surprising that a majority of cyclists are killed or injured when hit from behind when generally the only thing that's going to hurt hitting front on, is riding into a parked car whilst looking behind themselves.

Given my experience that a high percentage of cyclists, even those that ride decent k's for fun and fitness, are incapable of holding a straight line without eyes front and both hands on the bars, I wouldn't be encouraging anything that would lead to more "wandering"

[buggerit]

So let me get this right: you're a cop, who is designated to harassing motorcyclist - you're saying that the cops do single out motorcyclist !!!!



And being a Police officer the best use of your fuckin time is sit and wait to catch motorcyclist in cycle lanes????





What a bloody disgrace!! never mind the backlog of childabuse, who gives a flying f**k about all the annoying home burglaries the police cant find time to investigate, or protection orders to enforce - nooooo that would be too much like work wouldn't it
think I'll just go sit on the side of the road to catch the evil motorcyclists ........

Police have forgotten they are public servant - there to serve the public, not their own fucked up sense of reality
who pays your bloody wages - we do you dumbarse

Your own code of conduct states you are to be imbued with a spirit of service to your community - you clearly don't give a toss about your community - just being a fuckin Nazi picking on people who are just trying to get around a bit more efficiently than others

try doing us a favour and go work at McDonalds

Dont shoot the messenger, from all accounts Rastucat is one of the good bastards, most of us take directives from further up the food chain no matter what line of work you are in and everyone has their specialty feilds, I am glad we have a keen motorcyclist in a position
to have a influence on how motorcycling is policed in his neck of the woods.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I would prefer to see an orange flashing beacon on top of your helmet cause it would give me a giggle on my morning commute:nya:

I quite often play the piano on the way to work. People do seem to notice that, for some reason. I think because of the sidecar.

[willytheekid]

So let me get this right: you're a cop, who is designated to harassing motorcyclist - you're saying that the cops do single out motorcyclist !!!!



And being a Police officer the best use of your fuckin time is sit and wait to catch motorcyclist in cycle lanes????





What a bloody disgrace!! never mind the backlog of childabuse, who gives a flying f**k about all the annoying home burglaries the police cant find time to investigate, or protection orders to enforce - nooooo that would be too much like work wouldn't it
think I'll just go sit on the side of the road to catch the evil motorcyclists ........

Police have forgotten they are public servant - there to serve the public, not their own fucked up sense of reality
who pays your bloody wages - we do you dumbarse

Your own code of conduct states you are to be imbued with a spirit of service to your community - you clearly don't give a toss about your community - just being a fuckin Nazi picking on people who are just trying to get around a bit more efficiently than others

try doing us a favour and go work at McDonalds

:facepalm:...What the rest said!

Just cos Rastuscat is focused on motorcycle riders safety...sure as shit does NOT make him a nazi cop!, he's actually a full time rider who just happens to work (an eat donuts) for the police....he's not only one of the good ones out there in the force, he's also a senior KB member that most of us respect and thank for his knowledge & time he shares with us all.

Rastuscat = good sort...savvy?

[caseye]

For someone with a name like yours you haven't learn t much hanging around here , have ya?
Go fuck yourself!
This is the reaction you wanted isn't it.
Well, I'm doing it cause ol Rastus is far too old a hand to let you get under his skin.
Read a bit before you go off less than 1% cocked next time.

[unstuck]

For someone with a name like yours you haven't learn t much hanging around here , have ya?
Go fuck yourself!
This is the reaction you wanted isn't it.
Well, I'm doing it cause ol Rastus is far too old a hand to let you get under his skin.
Read a bit before you go off less than 1% cocked next time.

Who you talking too ya senile old bugga.:lol::lol::2thumbsup

[pritch]

next time I am out on my pushbike I will wear this

Ahhh but I would like to wear this:

[caseye]

Who you talking too ya senile old bugga.:lol::lol::2thumbsup

Well now Gosh Darned it, it wasn't you ol Unser stuck, mustabin that other fella dina sore!

[R650R]

"lobbying" Who the hell spends more money than anyone and with more success lobbying gubblemunt than the truckies forum (sorry Road Transport Forum).


...if you have a separate transport infrastructure that physically separates cyclists from other vehicle users it is safer for the cyclists...

I don't know how you can call being repeatedly raped with rises in RUC charges a success or the screwed up HPMV scheme which really only benefits selected operators and has a huge fines take for minor infractions... or the removal of overseas drivers from the jobs shortlist which means they have to start respecting the few kiwi workers they have left and pay proper wages...

There already is separate infrastructure for cyclists in some places and the overwhelming evidence is they wont use it because they cant ride fast enough on it due to having to show some respect to vulnerable pedestrians... like mission bay where that chick got killed by truck after car door opened, there was an official cycle route available on footpath. At Napier by the airport there are cycle lanes either side of SH2 but still some munters take the gamble of riding on road...
Such a proper network in a major city would require overbridges and small tunnels etc at intersections and you just know that there will be plenty of cyclists that would ignore them as cycling down on the road if timing right would be quicker etc... that's why it will never happen. The reality is that cycling although enjoyable is not a practical option for many workers in the modern age and even in your little private lane utopia few extra people would convert.
When I was in the UK I push biked to work a round trip of seven miles each day, half of that on a busy road. It was a major PITA though and only done due to the ridiculous rates they charge for car insurance over there.
Your 18m dollars would be better spent subsidising bus services which more people would actually use and would be a net benefit in safety to the community.

[Robbo]

:facepalm:...What the rest said!

Just cos Rastuscat is focused on motorcycle riders safety...sure as shit does NOT make him a nazi cop!, he's actually a full time rider who just happens to work (an eat donuts) for the police....he's not only one of the good ones out there in the force, he's also a senior KB member that most of us respect and thank for his knowledge & time he shares with us all.

Rastuscat = good sort...savvy?

Well said Willy, i think that that "dinasor" wanker is on his rags:mad:

[Erelyes]

just being a fuckin Nazi picking on people

Godwin's law invoked!

Fuck your post, fuck your avatar, and fuck your sig. :motu:

[vifferman]

yup, potat met....only thing you have to tell them is a little box or a little sack....no sniggering in the back....
and its pretty good actually, especially with a frikendel
Oh yeah!:drool:There are some big differences in the Netherlands with respect to cylists; for a start, because EVERYONE cycles some time, cyclists have special rights (like, they have right of way in mixed traffic). Because of this, there is a LOT of tolerance AND patience WRT cyclists. And as has been mentioned, a lot of the cycle routes are physically separated from roads.
It all just works. (Apart from drunken cyclists hiffing bikes in the canals and rivers all the time...)

[Big Dog]

Yeah i ride in cycle lanes all the time, and gone past many cops without issue. I thought we were allowed to use them? we need to sort this out, I don't wanna get a ticket!!

I never user them any more because they are too dangerous. the number of times a bus has mistaken one for a bus lane climbed right up my cherry and got on the horn... no ta, I'll filter or wait my turn. I just want to know, has every bike shop in the greater Auckland area lied to me between 1999 and 2008 (curiously none have mentioned it since... possibly because I stopped buying bikes from dealers?) or am I turning my nose up at a right that is not a right elsewhere?

[pete376403]

I will say it again: if you have a separate transport infrastructure that physically separates cyclists from other vehicle users it is safer for the cyclists, it is better for car driving drones and truckies alike. What part of that dont you get? IT HELPS YOU AND IT COSTS FUCK ALL.

In Wellington there is exactly this, between Petone and Ngauranga there is a cycle lane separated from the motorway by Armco, built at considerably more cost than fuck all. And you know what - bugger all cyclists use it.

[Ulsterkiwi]

In Wellington there is exactly this, between Petone and Ngauranga there is a cycle lane separated from the motorway by Armco, built at considerably more cost than fuck all. And you know what - bugger all cyclists use it.

apparently because the cycle lane is 'dirty"

[Big Dog]

In my experience... if you had mirrors there would still be the square root of fuck all you could do to avoid a bite to the bum from a ferocious car (or other motorised transport). Largely because you are not able to travel at anywhere near the speed unless you are super fit on a good bike in good conditions and I am not staying home just because its raining and I'm shaped more like a polar bear than and meer cat.

Try slowing to 60 on the motorway and waiting until you see a car in your mirror before you move over. Not fucking likely if you have half a clue.
The time to keep left is always, more importantly before you have someone passing you.

Golden rule of having traffic directly behind, if you have seen them it is too late to change, hold your line and hope they do the right thing. I have seen many more people hurt trying to avoid faster traffic than hurt by holding their line... ask anyone who has been to a track day or race meet. The faster traffic is responsible for passing safely... pretty sure that is the law on the road as well.

I do a pretty thorough head check before changing lanes or lane position... but at the lower speeds of a pushbike you have the time to do something about getting in a couple of good head checks before a change.
I thought about getting mirrors when I was cycling from mt Eden to Sunnyvale. After trying a bike with them I decided that I could afford the risk of doing a proper head check far more easily than the distraction of feeling it was my responsibility to move over for hill billies.
Cyclists under current legislation have as much right as anyone else to use the road in New Zealand.

As much right as bikers.
As a biker I hear people on here and IRL harping on about driver education being the saviour of all bikers... oh but fuck cyclists... get them off the road or run them over...


I don't expect that all road users will stand around and have a circle jerk every Sunday, but a little common courtesy goes a long way, in the end we are all just trying to get where we are going.

[Big Dog]

apparently because the cycle lane is 'dirty"

You should try the Auckland cycleways then. The one along the North Western Motorway is underwater sometimes during high tide.

Nothing quite like riding along, singing a song in the rain and dramatic crosswinds just to find you are suddenly up to your axles in briny with waves lapping at your calves.
:eek5::Oops:

[Erelyes]

apparently because the cycle lane is 'dirty"

We'd better drive a street sweeper down the cunt then!

[buggerit]

I quite often play the piano on the way to work. People do seem to notice that, for some reason. I think because of the sidecar.

Ha ha very good,at first glance I thought it was Dot Kom rallying the troops :lol:

[HenryDorsetCase]

In Wellington there is exactly this, between Petone and Ngauranga there is a cycle lane separated from the motorway by Armco, built at considerably more cost than fuck all. And you know what - bugger all cyclists use it.

one reason might be that due to the epic brilliance of the transpurt planners at the Petone end it dumps you into an insanely dangerous intersection. One where a senior pleecemin (Steve Foster I think his name was) was killed by a motorist.

I am sure there are stats as to how much use it does get but I dont live in Wellington any more. What I would say to you is that EVERY cyclist on it is one less car cluttering up your morning commute.

When I lived in Wellington and commuted by motorbike it was 20 minutes door to door from Lower Hutt (Maungaraki). 1 hour in the car.

[FJRider]

So let me get this right: you're a cop, who is designated to harassing motorcyclist - you're saying that the cops do single out motorcyclist !!!!

A motorcycle Cop which is the Motorcycle version of the Highway Patrol. Not (usually) a general duties Officer. His duties are not restricted to "harassing" motorcyclists. He is still keen to chat with car and truck drivers ... even cyclists .... should the need arise. (and often does)


And being a Police officer the best use of your fuckin time is sit and wait to catch motorcyclist in cycle lanes????

Aside from the fact that the cycle lane is for the sole use and safety of cyclists, some motorcyclists have been injured using it ... and the interest of their (and your) safety ... it IS being patrolled.

And .. his fuckin time is pretty much what he decides it should be. If the people that have the power to veto that ... they WILL. THEY trust his judgement ... as do most that have had contact with him ...

Surprise surprise ... YOU do not have the power or ANY say in the matter. If you don't agree ... TOUGH. I don't give a fuck.


What a bloody disgrace!! never mind the backlog of childabuse, who gives a flying f**k about all the annoying home burglaries the police cant find time to investigate, or protection orders to enforce - nooooo that would be too much like work wouldn't it
think I'll just go sit on the side of the road to catch the evil motorcyclists ........

Talk to the officers that ARE responsible for the above duties .. but they are not the usual responsibility of the Highway Patrol.


Police have forgotten they are public servant - there to serve the public, not their own fucked up sense of reality
who pays your bloody wages - we do you dumbarse

He pays tax ... and serves the tax payer ... so he's his own boss. Look in the mirror to see the dumbarse.


Your own code of conduct states you are to be imbued with a spirit of service to your community - you clearly don't give a toss about your community - just being a fuckin Nazi picking on people who are just trying to get around a bit more efficiently than others

I'm guessing .. he (or a few of his workmates) have been picking on you. Oh dear how sad. But ... few care. Most will think it rather funny actually.


try doing us a favour and go work at McDonalds

Why ... ?? do you need him to give you a hand .. ?? Which outlet do YOU work at .. ?? (so we ALL can avoid it)

[Drew]

apparently because the cycle lane is 'dirty"And rough as guts. Sure fire way to ensure you need to fix a puncture, riding down it.


We'd better drive a street sweeper down the cunt then!I have mused this several times, whilst avoiding cyclists on the highway.

There is also another problem with it. The trip home, would require riding the wrong way for a hundred meters or so of 100kph highway.

I hate cyclists on the roads, with a passion. But, some of it is not their fault. They are growing in numbers on the roads, so concession need be made for them. It helps keep congestion down, and it's good for you.

[Drew]

Talk to the officers that ARE responsible for the above duties .. but they are not the usual responsibility of the Highway Patrol.I wouldn't if I were him. They tend to be a little bit touchy about the fact that they get no life, divorce rates disproportionate to loads of professions with far less stress and more money, usually get fucked over by their boss/the public/lawyers, and generally can't do what they desperately want to do because their hands are tied up by stupid legislation.

Those guys and girls got it rough, and every time there is a fuck up by any officer they get to enjoy nothing but shit from every direction. All for the princely sum of 80 odd grand a year, fucked if I'd even consider the job.

[scumdog]

So let me get this right: you're a cop, who is designated to harassing motorcyclist - you're saying that the cops do single out motorcyclist !!!!



And being a Police officer the best use of your fuckin time is sit and wait to catch motorcyclist in cycle lanes????





What a bloody disgrace!! never mind the backlog of childabuse, who gives a flying f**k about all the annoying home burglaries the police cant find time to investigate, or protection orders to enforce - nooooo that would be too much like work wouldn't it
think I'll just go sit on the side of the road to catch the evil motorcyclists ........

Police have forgotten they are public servant - there to serve the public, not their own fucked up sense of reality
who pays your bloody wages - we do you dumbarse

Your own code of conduct states you are to be imbued with a spirit of service to your community - you clearly don't give a toss about your community - just being a fuckin Nazi picking on people who are just trying to get around a bit more efficiently than others

try doing us a favour and go work at McDonalds



Hahahahaha!!! y'all ain't from 'round here, are ya?:lol:

[R650R]

What I would say to you is that EVERY cyclist on it is one less car cluttering up your morning commute.


But it would be better if they were in a car and less congestion as cars all (generally) do same speed and everyone knows how they will behave.
Where as a cyclist is an unknown quantity that needs to be given more space thereby creating congestion. I reckon every cyclist is equal to set of pretend 30k roadworks except you can speed through roadworks but have to slow down for cyclist or risk a manslaughter charge.

297829

[SMOKEU]

Such a proper network in a major city would require overbridges and small tunnels etc at intersections and you just know that there will be plenty of cyclists that would ignore them as cycling down on the road if timing right would be quicker etc... that's why it will never happen. The reality is that cycling although enjoyable is not a practical option for many workers in the modern age and even in your little private lane utopia few extra people would convert.
When I was in the UK I push biked to work a round trip of seven miles each day, half of that on a busy road. It was a major PITA though and only done due to the ridiculous rates they charge for car insurance over there.
Your 18m dollars would be better spent subsidising bus services which more people would actually use and would be a net benefit in safety to the community.

If people weren't so stupid and lazy, then most able bodied people would realize that they could easily commute by push bike. It's what I've been doing for the past few years, and it's worked out very well for me with the amount of money I've saved, and the convenience of not having to get a taxi or another ride when I'm drunk. Watching all those dumbasses sitting in traffic in their cages is quite funny while I go past.


Oh yeah!:drool:There are some big differences in the Netherlands with respect to cylists; for a start, because EVERYONE cycles some time, cyclists have special rights (like, they have right of way in mixed traffic). Because of this, there is a LOT of tolerance AND patience WRT cyclists. And as has been mentioned, a lot of the cycle routes are physically separated from roads.
It all just works. (Apart from drunken cyclists hiffing bikes in the canals and rivers all the time...)

Unfortunately NZ is too backward for a system like that.


But it would be better if they were in a car and less congestion as cars all (generally) do same speed and everyone knows how they will behave.
Where as a cyclist is an unknown quantity that needs to be given more space thereby creating congestion. I reckon every cyclist is equal to set of pretend 30k roadworks except you can speed through roadworks but have to slow down for cyclist or risk a manslaughter charge.


Do you seriously think that cagers drive in a predictable manner? Most cagers are an "unknown quantity" as you never know when they're going to quickly change lane without indicating or fail to give way. Cyclists still do contribute to congestion a whole lot less than cars do.

[skinman]

When I was younger I used to ride to work from Howick to Panmure. No cycle lanes, shit road.
Best accidents:
hit from behind by car towing trailer wider than itself, I got launched into the shrubbery.
car turned right in front of me=flying lesson.
car turned left while alongside, relativily painless as went around corner leaning on the car.
car came out of side road & hit back wheel=another flying lesson
Kid stepped out onto road x2=more flying
Hit gravel from crap roadworks=long slide job

Got very good at looking for people opening doors etc

mirrors would not help as there is not much you can do when your riding along minding your own business & some blind driver just mows you down. If you are going to swing out generally your spiddy sense will let you know a car is there or just have a look.

I never ran reds but did try to kick cars if they were still in the intersection when my light was green, got a few too

[Akzle]

fuck, enough already!
Isnt there a butt hurt cyclist forum for you lycra fags to go and menstruate all over??
FAAAAACKKK OOORRFFFFF

[SMOKEU]

Got very good at looking for people opening doors etc


I wouldn't mind giving someone a proper hiding if they do that to me. Fucking dumb fuckers that should be lined up and shot.


fuck, enough already!
Isnt there a butt hurt cyclist forum for you lycra fags to go and menstruate all over??
FAAAAACKKK OOORRFFFFF

Better?

297830

[Marmoot]

What about if the bike moves as slow as a cycle (around 20 - 35 kph)?
If you think a bike moving the same pace as cycles, makes louder sound than cycles, have headlights, brake lights, and turn signals are still in a bad position there, what about cyclists?

[rastuscat]

Yeah i ride in cycle lanes all the time, and gone past many cops without issue. I thought we were allowed to use them? we need to sort this out, I don't wanna get a ticket!!

There's nothing to sort out. It's against the Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004 for a moped or motorcycle to ride in a special vehicle lane designated for cycles.

Just coz so many cops do nothing about it doesn't make it legal.

[rastuscat]

...cyclists may not have the leathers...


Just recreational ones......:innocent:

[rastuscat]

one reason might be that due to the epic brilliance of the transpurt planners at the Petone end it dumps you into an insanely dangerous intersection. One where a senior pleecemin (Steve Foster I think his name was) was killed by a motorist.

I am sure there are stats as to how much use it does get but I dont live in Wellington any more. What I would say to you is that EVERY cyclist on it is one less car cluttering up your morning commute.

When I lived in Wellington and commuted by motorbike it was 20 minutes door to door from Lower Hutt (Maungaraki). 1 hour in the car.

Steve Fitzgerald. Legend, gentleman and visionary, actually.

[rastuscat]

So let me get this right: you're a cop, who is designated to harassing motorcyclist - you're saying that the cops do single out motorcyclist !!!!



And being a Police officer the best use of your fuckin time is sit and wait to catch motorcyclist in cycle lanes????





What a bloody disgrace!! never mind the backlog of childabuse, who gives a flying f**k about all the annoying home burglaries the police cant find time to investigate, or protection orders to enforce - nooooo that would be too much like work wouldn't it
think I'll just go sit on the side of the road to catch the evil motorcyclists ........

Police have forgotten they are public servant - there to serve the public, not their own fucked up sense of reality
who pays your bloody wages - we do you dumbarse

Your own code of conduct states you are to be imbued with a spirit of service to your community - you clearly don't give a toss about your community - just being a fuckin Nazi picking on people who are just trying to get around a bit more efficiently than others

try doing us a favour and go work at McDonalds

Interesting perspective.

23% of the Police funding comes from the Land Transport Fund, specifically for the purpose of road policing. For that reason, we are held accountable for ensuring that 23% of our efforts are on road policing.

I get allocated a job, and I get to go out and decide how to do it.

I'm sorry that the Police who are supposed to do the stuff you mention haven't. Maybe speaking to the local District Commander would change that.

Venting your obscene ignorance on here is most unlikely to change much. Still, amazing what a good venting can do to cleanse the soul.

I sit and wonder each day what I can do improve the lot of cyclists and motorcyclists (as I am both) on our roads, and as time allows I take action to implement the law as it stands to try to improve things.

My sincerest apologies for having upset your vision of the world.

I won't be applying for work at Maccas any time soon.

Now, Dunkin Donuts I might consider.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Steve Fitzgerald. Legend, gentleman and visionary, actually.

Thats it. I think he was killed in the same kind of accident that that poor student nurse was killed in on Lincoln Rd... A left turning truck? Awful way to go:. I am going to be shot in the back by Mr Akzle, aged 90 whilst rogering his Mrs :-)

[swbarnett]

23% of the Police funding comes from the Land Transport Fund
This is the real problem.

If all of the police funding came from the same pool then you wouldn't be committed to spending 23% of your budget on road policing and would be free to set other priorities.

[Drew]

This is the real problem.

If all of the police funding came from the same pool then you wouldn't be committed to spending 23% of your budget on road policing and would be free to set other priorities.That's one way to look at it.

Another might be to consider, that perhaps the funding is just too low. That with the resources at hand, the police can't do everything that they could.

[R650R]

This is the real problem.

If all of the police funding came from the same pool then you wouldn't be committed to spending 23% of your budget on road policing and would be free to set other priorities.

No the real problem is our political system and the lack of will to deal with issues by the politicians.
Police do a pretty stunning job most of the time catching crooks and idiots but the revolving door justice system and lack of jail space sees them released straight away.
Then there is the growing issue of youth crime where through the media they even advertise to them that they can offend with zero consequence, hence why we have 12 year old stabbing dairy owner.
We could build more prisons easy and lower age of criminal responsibility but no govt want the political embarrassment of jailing so many people.

[rastuscat]

This is the real problem.

If all of the police funding came from the same pool then you wouldn't be committed to spending 23% of your budget on road policing and would be free to set other priorities.

And the Police budget would drop by 23%. The gubbermint is hardly going to give money to the Police for stuff they don't do.

[rastuscat]

23% of the funding comes from the Land Transport Fund.

Perhaps the argument to have is that the rest of the Police aren't funded sufficiently.

Interesting. We have a sinking lid policy. Nil increase in total funding over at least the last 3 years, maybe 5. So anything extra we do has to take dosh from something else we do.

[Akzle]

And the Police budget would drop by 23%. The gubbermint is hardly going to give money to the Police for stuff they don't do.

good point.

what the fuck do the police achieve?

[HenryDorsetCase]

23% of the funding comes from the Land Transport Fund.

Perhaps the argument to have is that the rest of the Police aren't funded sufficiently.

Interesting. We have a sinking lid policy. Nil increase in total funding over at least the last 3 years, maybe 5. So anything extra we do has to take dosh from something else we do.

so clearly the way forward is for us all to become anarcho-terrorist al quaeda sympathisers wanting to learn how to take off (but not alnd) a plane because:

a) pleece resources would be diverted to deal with anarcho terrorists leaving us free to do what we want on the roads and
b) the GCSB could stop intensively surveiling Mr Akzle and earn some of the undisclosed money they get from the NSA and Dick Cheney.

Its a win-win. I should do this shit for a living.

[rastuscat]

good point.

what the fuck do the police achieve?

We wind you up. That's gotta be worth doing. Public service right there.:lol:

[The Pastor]

There's nothing to sort out. It's against the Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004 for a moped or motorcycle to ride in a special vehicle lane designated for cycles.

Just coz so many cops do nothing about it doesn't make it legal.

Thanks Rastuscat, that's the info i was looking for.

Will keep and eye out for the 5-0 when i use cycle lanes from now on.

[Big Dog]

Thanks Rastuscat, that's the info i was looking for.

Will keep and eye out for the 5-0 when i use cycle lanes from now on.

Or just not use them?
They are dangerous enough with all the pinch points and cars thinking that nothing faster than 30kmph is coming. Add in the debris that tends to build up an the fact that they are made for a vehicle that is about 6 inches narrower than your motorcycle.

The inherent safety for the cyclist is supposed to be that the general flow of traffic is going faster than them so can see them clearly as they approach. Not so if you are moving faster than the traffic.

Even on a push bike if I find I am going faster than the traffic by more than 20 kms I slow down, or if it is safer hit the right hand side of the lane instead.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Akzle]

just because the police do/enforce it, doesn't make it legal, and certainly not lawful.

[swbarnett]

That's one way to look at it.

Another might be to consider, that perhaps the funding is just too low. That with the resources at hand, the police can't do everything that they could.
Or one might say that the police funding is too high. There is a theory that the crime rate is at the level it is because the government (of which the police is the enforcement arm) poke it's nose far too much in to people's private lives.

[HenryDorsetCase]

just because the police do/enforce it, doesn't make it legal, and certainly not lawful.

How does that go when you front up to the judge and run that defence?

Please let me know for next time so I can watch from the public gallery

[Ocean1]

The gubbermint is hardly going to give money to the Police for stuff they don't do.

Why not?

They give fucking near everyone else money for doing fuck all.

[The Pastor]

Or just not use them?
They are dangerous enough with all the pinch points and cars thinking that nothing faster than 30kmph is coming. Add in the debris that tends to build up an the fact that they are made for a vehicle that is about 6 inches narrower than your motorcycle.

The inherent safety for the cyclist is supposed to be that the general flow of traffic is going faster than them so can see them clearly as they approach. Not so if you are moving faster than the traffic.

Even on a push bike if I find I am going faster than the traffic by more than 20 kms I slow down, or if it is safer hit the right hand side of the lane instead.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

I rely on myself for safety, not others. I don't buy the "you should of seen me" line, I always think, accidents will be my fault* as I didnt see the guy turning with out checking)

Have you even lake rd'd between devonport and takapunai? no option but to use the cycle lane.

* my fault, in terms of my own philosophy, not insurance or in the eyes of the LAW.

[Drew]

Or one might say that the police funding is too high. There is a theory that the crime rate is at the level it is because the government (of which the police is the enforcement arm) poke it's nose far too much in to people's private lives.

Oh fo fuck sakes! Are you kidding? "I'm a criminal as a form of protest".

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Pure gold!

[Big Dog]

I have not cycled on the shore this century. But never had a problem on motorbike or in car.
Mind you I have also not done primetime.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[swbarnett]

Oh fo fuck sakes! Are you kidding? "I'm a criminal as a form of protest".
No protest involved at all. Just the anger and disenfranchisement that comes form having your life interfered with far too much.

Contrary to popular belief most people will just get on with their lives if left to their own devices.

[Drew]

No protest involved at all. Just the anger and disenfranchisement that comes form having your life interfered with far too much.

Contrary to popular belief most people will just get on with their lives if left to their own devices.

Anger at something, implies understanding or conscious thought. It's either protest, or bulshit. Actually, it's bulshit either way.

[pritch]

Will keep and eye out for the 5-0 when i use cycle lanes from now on.

Ummm wrong answer. But hey it's your money - and your life.

I have been watching some of that road cops programme lately. The TV people are maxing their investment; it's a repeat of a repeat. But it's not getting any less bloody depressing.

The cops stop some dude in an unregistered, unwarranted, shit box, or he's pissed, or all of the above, and while the cop is in his car doing his checks our loser says to the camera, "I should have gone the other way."

No. He shoulda got the car fixed, or got a taxi. Thats not a one-off, it's almost a regular thing on that show.

[Ocean1]

our loser says to the camera, "I should have gone the other way."

Should of. All losers talk 'Murkin outlaw, y'know.

And you don't have to watch that shit do you? I never have, and my life's worse simply from your description, let alone actually willingly watch such drivel.

[GrayWolf]

Actually, I'm not sure that it does. In any scenario where a cyclist and other vehicles are sharing a roadway, there will be a speed disparity. And therefore there will always be vehicles approaching from the rear. A sane and sensible cyclist is usually pretty far to the left anyway, and has the sphincter well puckered (because of cunts whizzing past at speed 300mm away). We KNOW there are people behind us. We KNOW how vulnerable we are. In my years of communting I never once thought "wish I had a mirror" (usually it was "wish I had a rocket launcher"). Ears are the best defence in my experience. You can hear stuff from behind you if you're listening. One reason I never used a music player communting. It blunts the spidey sense.

______________________
Jules Winnfield: Say 'what' again. Say 'what' again, I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker, say what one more Goddamn time!

I'd agree with the disparity etc... What I often observe is a simple lack of 'thought' to save their own skins...
The ridiculous maneouvre of when coming up to a parked vehicle, the 'blind' DIVE round the back and into the lane, even as a kid I did the 'RoSPA' bike course in the UK, and they taught to 'LOOK BEHIND' before pulling out or turning....

[pritch]

Should of. All losers talk 'Murkin outlaw, y'know.

And you don't have to watch that shit do you?

I stand corrected.

I didn't watch the programme until channel surfing one night I came across KBer Patrick (former KBer?) doing his thing. No, he wasn't one of the losers, he was wearing his blue kit with contrasting Hi Viz vest and accessory white stripes.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I'd agree with the disparity etc... What I often observe is a simple lack of 'thought' to save their own skins...
The ridiculous maneouvre of when coming up to a parked vehicle, the 'blind' DIVE round the back and into the lane, even as a kid I did the 'RoSPA' bike course in the UK, and they taught to 'LOOK BEHIND' before pulling out or turning....

shit yeah. When I cycle commuted I actually planned a route that minimised big roads and traffic interaction as much as poss. And if I felt threatened and it was an option, I would rather go up on the footpath than round a parked car into the lane....

[imdying]

I'd agree with the disparity etc... What I often observe is a simple lack of 'thought' to save their own skins...Came across a lovely cyclist the other night. Dark stormy night, tiny little red flashing light at both ends. I assume she had followed the letter of the law, but it was only luck that stopped her from becoming a hood ornament. I'm sure she would have been quite pissy if I'd put her in a wheel chair for life, but I can't say I'd have felt any guilt.

[Akzle]

How does that go when you front up to the judge and run that defence?

Please let me know for next time so I can watch from the public gallery

on the two occasions any matter has gone before a jewdge: excellently.

infact, i might like to hope i've been personally responsible for changing SOP with regards to search and seizure. or, actually more likely, i was responsible for the stasi and sturmfuhrer act going through. sorry guys.

[Deano]

on the two occasions any matter has gone before a jewdge: excellently.

infact, i might like to hope i've been personally responsible for changing SOP with regards to search and seizure. or, actually more likely, i was responsible for the stasi and sturmfuhrer act going through. sorry guys.

Is that you Tama ?

[swbarnett]

Anger at something, implies understanding or conscious thought. It's either protest, or bulshit. Actually, it's bulshit either way.
Don't underestimate the power of demoralisation.

[Gremlin]

Came across a lovely cyclist the other night. Dark stormy night, tiny little red flashing light at both ends. I assume she had followed the letter of the law, ...
Actually, you're not supposed to have red facing forward, same as not having white facing rearward.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Don't underestimate the power of demoralisation.

Meh, can't be bothered with all that demoralisation malarkey

[Drew]

Don't underestimate the power of demoralisation.I have, like most, felt demoralised from time to time. Never felt so bad that I thought a life of crime was the way to go though. So, from my personal experience I perhaps don't have capacity to understand what it is you're trying to say.

Ooooooorrrrrrrrrr, the whole thing is a load of fucken bollucks. Dreamed up by some bleeding heart with a degree, that people without said degree feel obliged to consider.

I think the latter is more likely the case, than it being realistic to suggest crime would drop if there were fewer police.


Meh, can't be bothered with all that demoralisation malarkeyI can, making it a personal mission to demoralise fucken Harris into never showing his face at a race track again.

[swbarnett]

I have, like most, felt demoralised from time to time.
As have I.


Never felt so bad that I thought a life of crime was the way to go though.
Ditto.


So, from my personal experience I perhaps don't have capacity to understand what it is you're trying to say.
What I'm getting at is the attitude that can develop that goes something like "no-one gives a shit about me so why should I give a shit about them" that can develop in to a disrespect for property and life and limb.

The quickest way to reduce crime is to create a society where everyone feels respected. The quickest way to create a society where lots of people feel disrespected is for the government to poke it's nose where it doesn't belong. Some, not all, of those disrespected people will turn to crime because disrespect is a two-way street.

BTW: I don't have a degree.


than it being realistic to suggest crime would drop if there were fewer police.
Fewer police may not result from less funding. Just cheaper operations. More community policing. Less "you're nicked" and more "how's your day?".

[Kickaha]

making it a personal mission to demoralise fucken Harris into never showing his face at a race track again.

What a fucking dreamer

[Drew]

What a fucking dreamerI'm allowed to dream!

[scumdog]

good point.

what the fuck do the police achieve?


They irk you?

I can't see a need for them to do any more...

[scumdog]

on the two occasions any matter has gone before a jewdge: excellently.

infact, i might like to hope i've been personally responsible for changing SOP with regards to search and seizure. or, actually more likely, i was responsible for the stasi and sturmfuhrer act going through. sorry guys.

You sir have a fuckin' big head...:wacko:

[dinosaur]

You're new here ay.

Hang about a bit longer and you'll find that Rastus is one of the good guys.

Rick.

I don't care if he/she is one of the good guys: I'm entitled to my opinion
And I was appalled at their idea of what they think is a good use of police resources
If you'd been burgled twice in the last 6 months and police were too busy to turn up, witnessed first hand cops being overly aggressive and violent - and then read this load of bullshit on here: you'd probably has an opinion as well

[dinosaur]

Obviously this thread is only for those people who agree - god help us if we express a contrary opinion! Bunch of soft cocks; you probable ride at 90klm/ hr, wear hi via vests, go for a nice pootle on your bikes like a bunch of nanas stop every half hour for a cuppa tea and call your selves bikers! Next thing you know you'll be riding one of those retarded three wheeled spiders

The opinion expressed in the original post was offensive to people who actually work for a living, and would rather the police do their job, do you guys not have your own brains, you alway bow down to 'authority' jump on any one who doesn't conform - think giving abuse in the form of red rep means something too me?
Bunch of social drop kicks

[unstuck]

Getting upset over an internet forum = WINNER. :2thumbsup Got a song especially for ya...........
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/YgSPaXgAdzE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>:Punk::Punk:

[Kickaha]

The opinion expressed in the original post was offensive to people who actually work for a living, and would rather the police do their job

I actually work for a living, it wasn't offensive to me and he was doing his job

[R650R]

If you'd been burgled twice in the last 6 months and police were too busy to turn up...

They don't turn up straight away as they are too busy dealing with immediate potential loss of life incidents thanks to all the wife bashers/alcohol/drug crazies problems out there.
And what are they going to investigate if no witnesses, few homeowners seem willing to spend on alarms or CCTV
Waited a day or two for them to turn up to my shed but that's ok, guy fingerprinted for good hour or so but came up with nothing.
But when there's still been offenders on site or at neighbours place the response times here in the bay are primo, on scene pretty fast.

I think its time the media/police wrote up just how busy they are with serious crime 24/7 and people like yourself would realise whats happening. I don't think the govt want people to know how bad it is out there though.

[oneofsix]

They don't turn up straight away as they are too busy dealing with immediate potential loss of life incidents thanks to all the wife bashers/alcohol/drug crazies problems out there.
And what are they going to investigate if no witnesses, few homeowners seem willing to spend on alarms or CCTV
Waited a day or two for them to turn up to my shed but that's ok, guy fingerprinted for good hour or so but came up with nothing.
But when there's still been offenders on site or at neighbours place the response times here in the bay are primo, on scene pretty fast.

I think its time the media/police wrote up just how busy they are with serious crime 24/7 and people like yourself would realise whats happening. I don't think the govt want people to know how bad it is out there though.

true, people might then get even more upset about the waste of a badly need resource on the road tax scams

[dinosaur]

Getting upset over an internet forum = WINNER. :2thumbsup Got a song especially for ya...........

Who's upset ... Dickhead, I don't take anything on here seriously unlike some retards . Lol

[Akzle]

Who's upset ... Dickhead, I don't take anything on here seriously unlike some retards . Lol

being upset about being called out about being upset, then calling the guy that upset you names=WINNER

[HenryDorsetCase]

I don't care if he/she is one of the good guys: I'm entitled to my opinion


only as long as it doesnt conflict with the KB hivemind.

GT_2K4ddG7g

[dinosaur]

They don't turn up straight away as they are too busy dealing with immediate potential loss of life incidents thanks to all the wife bashers/alcohol/drug crazies problems out there.
And what are they going to investigate if no witnesses, few homeowners seem willing to spend on alarms or CCTV
Waited a day or two for them to turn up to my shed but that's ok, guy fingerprinted for good hour or so but came up with nothing.
But when there's still been offenders on site or at neighbours place the response times here in the bay are primo, on scene pretty fast.

I think its time the media/police wrote up just how busy they are with serious crime 24/7 and people like yourself would realise whats happening. I don't think the govt want people to know how bad it is out there though.

And that is my point, they're flat out busy with 'real' crime, and the person who started this thread believes its good use of his time to sit around on their arse hoping to catch bikes in a cycle lane, wonder how many hours he wasted doing that, then to make it worse, rather than give the rider a warning he chooses to waste even more time preparing to go to court, and waste court time, lawyers and a judges time, all the court staff - for what? To punish a guy for riding in a cycle lane?

If he's just following orders then that shows the whole system has fucked up priorities

Why do so many numb nuts put up with this bullshit. There are good cops trying to do a good job, this kind of bull shit attitude ties up recourses and courts, and only results in good people loosing faith and respect in our police force

[dinosaur]

only as long as it doesnt conflict with the KB hivemind.

GT_2K4ddG7g

That I love to wind up ....... LMAO

[HenryDorsetCase]

Obviously this thread is only for those people who agree - god help us if we express a contrary opinion! Bunch of soft cocks; you probable ride at 90klm/ hr, wear hi via vests, go for a nice pootle on your bikes like a bunch of nanas stop every half hour for a cuppa tea and call your selves bikers! Next thing you know you'll be riding one of those retarded three wheeled spiders

The opinion expressed in the original post was offensive to people who actually work for a living, and would rather the police do their job, do you guys not have your own brains, you alway bow down to 'authority' jump on any one who doesn't conform - think giving abuse in the form of red rep means something too me?
Bunch of social drop kicks

You. I like you.

also, your god won't help you here. Unless its Odin.

and you want to get rid of the ice giants. In which case he has already helped you.

[Big Dog]

In waterview at rush hour he would not need to wait 10 mins most mornings.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

I always find in "interesting" how many people put protection of property ahead of human welfare. He may not have a scalp count on the side of his bike for all the lives he has saved through ticketing people reckless behaviour. He will never know unless they repeat their action straight after the ticket and end a life.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Kickaha]

And that is my point, they're flat out busy with 'real' crime, and the person who started this thread believes its good use of his time to sit around on their arse hoping to catch bikes in a cycle lane, wonder how many hours he wasted doing that, then to make it worse, rather than give the rider a warning he chooses to waste even more time preparing to go to court, and waste court time, lawyers and a judges time, all the court staff - for what? To punish a guy for riding in a cycle lane?

If he's just following orders then that shows the whole system has fucked up priorities

Why do so many numb nuts put up with this bullshit. There are good cops trying to do a good job, this kind of bull shit attitude ties up recourses and courts, and only results in good people loosing faith and respect in our police force
Rather than realising he was in the wrong the motorcyclist he ticketed is wasting every cunts time by taking it to court, he chose to escalate it into court time not Rastus

The only bullshit attitude on here is motorcycle riding fucktards thinking they're better than everyone else and that the rules only apply to others or when it suits them

[unstuck]

Fuckin love the Ramones.:Punk::Punk:

[dinosaur]

Rather than realising he was in the wrong the motorcyclist he ticketed is wasting every cunts time by taking it to court, he chose to escalate it into court time not Rastus

The only bullshit attitude on here is motorcycle riding fucktards thinking they're better than everyone else and that the rules only apply to others or when it suits them

You are presuming he was in the wrong? Based on what this cop has posted here!
Everyone is entitled to defend themselves! Or are you one of the few who still accept everything a police officer tells you - just because they're a police office?

And where in any post on here have I or other said were above the law, or better than anyone else?

You seem to avoid the real issues and make shit up, my kids do that when they have no real answer

[Kickaha]

You are presuming he was in the wrong? Based on what this cop has posted here!
Can you please direct me to the relevant bit of legislation which allows motorcyclists to ride in cycle lanes then ?

Everyone is entitled to defend themselves! Or are you one of the few who still accept everything a police officer tells you - just because they're a police office?
Please point out where I said he couldn't defend himself

You seem to avoid the real issues and make shit up, my kids do that when they have no real answer
I can see where your kids get it from

[caseye]

Dinna sore is a fucked off civilian who has issues with Police!
Who thinks he's scoring points on the back of one of our (KB's) most respected members because he is a motorcycle Police Officer who's main job while assigned to traffic/motorcycle duties is to make our roads as safe as possible and without putting too fine a point on it, by using his own initiative to do so. A Literal dinosaur of an idea in this day and age, wonder why his superiors saw fit to entrust him with such a responsibility?
Anyone else here think he does a bad job, like our newest Police basher member does?
I, think ol Rastus is 100% a great human being first, then a damn fine KB member, then a bloody good Police Officer tasked with a very difficult job , made much harder by people who refuse to see the wood for the trees.
Dino, it is obvious that you will never see this any differently, despite not one other comment to support your theories and casting of naspursitions against OUR Rastus.

[unstuck]

Dinna sore is a fucked off civilian who has issues with Police!
Who thinks he's scoring points on the back of one of our (KB's) most respected members because he is a motorcycle Police Officer who's main job while assigned to traffic/motorcycle duties is to make our roads as safe as possible and without putting too fine a point on it, by using his own initiative to do so. A Literal dinosaur of an idea in this day and age, wonder why his superiors saw fit to entrust him with such a responsibility?
Anyone else here think he does a bad job, like our newest Police basher member does?
I, think ol Rastus is 100% a great human being first, then a damn fine KB member, then a bloody good Police Officer tasked with a very difficult job , made much harder by people who refuse to see the wood for the trees.
Dino, it is obvious that you will never see this any differently, despite not one other comment to support your theories and casting of naspursitions against OUR Rastus.

Sik him boy....:ar15::ar15:

[rastuscat]

Aw shucks. I'm all bashful.

I'm at the Popo college just now instructing on a Road Policing course.

We talked about motorbikes today. Nobody targets them specifically. They just get dealt with like everyone else as part of general traffic work.

That's the reality despite what most here seem to think.

Saw some stats indicating that around 80% of the tickets written for motorcyclists are for speeding. No wonder it's a touchy subject.

Just sayin.

No donuts at the college these days. What have things come to.

[rastuscat]

Dino needs a big manly hug dudes. Hugs, not drugs.👮

[Dazh]

being upset about being called out about being upset, then calling the guy that upset you names=WINNER

Haha excellent

[rastuscat]

Now there's a public service.

Dino and Akzle having handbags.

My work here is done.

[Drew]

Aw shucks. I'm all bashful.

I'm at the Popo college just now instructing on a Road Policing course.

We talked about motorbikes today. Nobody targets them specifically. They just get dealt with like everyone else as part of general traffic work.

That's the reality despite what most here seem to think.

Saw some stats indicating that around 80% of the tickets written for motorcyclists are for speeding. No wonder it's a touchy subject.

Just sayin.

No donuts at the college these days. What have things come to.And the coffee at the cafe is fucking terrible! You'd think Crasher made it or summat.


Now there's a public service.

Dino and Akzle having handbags.

My work here is done.Giving us scondoers something to do our scones over, is not a challenge.

[dinosaur]

caseye: I don't even know the poster, this cop. I don't know how good or bad he is at his job. And nor the fuck do you?
Just because he's on here you may like him is a rather pathetic arguement to make for what were discussing, I'm picking your a hi vid wearing speed limit wannabe who wouldn't have an original idea in your brain

Follow the crowd
Get offended by opinions on KB
Un like you I see it as a bit of banter and a bit of fun, but will respect your view and even buy you a beer next time I see you at the Te Rapa

I don't have a lot of time for police nowadays - I don't like their attitude or the way our roads are policed, I think it's a scandal how politics are played out in the police
However I also know its a bloody hard job.
I have met scummy who is also a cop and on KB - bloody good guy but I still have a go with him about road policing priorities - but its taken in the spirit it was meant

Some cops do target bikes, some target Nissan Skylines
For the record I have had two tickets on my bike in over 30 years of riding
I have had far too many in my cars over the years, mainly commuting to Auckland daily for work

I have been seen and witnessed first hand brutality and abuse dished out by police

I see the need for them, but also believe in holding them to account

KB member or not

[caseye]

Phew, for a moment there I thought you were going to unfriend me.
Beers good.
Looking forward to it at the Rapa.
No I don't know, haven't met Rastus, but I know what he does and I know how very unrewarding it can be.Not only that but I have formed My own opinion of his character and obvious all round good bugger status despite being a Roza. ( tongue firmly in cheek)
For the record I have yet to see another post in this thread that agrees with your original observation/opinion,now called bantering.
Yep, tickets few and far between, hate Hi Viz it's a sop that will kill far more then it'll ever save.
Speed Limits if observed by everyone all the time would not change the numbers killed on our roads, so no I don't observe them all the time either.Sorry.
I usually say what I mean and mean what I say, this I find it is easier than starting a shit stir without thought to the consequences and who I may offend, not that offending people is something I shy away from if it's earn't.

[dinosaur]

scoring points on the back of one of our (KB's) most respected members ......... I, think ol Rastus is 100% a great human being first, then a damn fine KB member, then a bloody good Police Officer .

So KB has respected members --- LMAO that's pathetic, what do people do to be respected on here (post what you agree with?) and who votes, are there awards given out? You do realize its an internet forum and not reality?




Anyone else here think he does a bad job ...?
How the fuck would any one on here know that unless the worked with him? I havent made any judgements on how good or bad at hgis job he is
I questioned his decision making in posting this crap on here, and the criticized the complete (in my opinion) screwed up priorities of policing a cycle lane from a lead he was given ..... I think its amusing when people get offended by comments on KB - i do draw the line at decency however - racism, pedo's and other shyte like that
I laugh my arse off when i see the pathetic red rep comments posted on my page, people actually think its real




like our newest Police basher member does?
Actually Ive been on this site longer you and most of the others - old profile was smoky
And been bashing dumb arses for just as long - not just cops who say stupid things - I think anyone is fair game on here
Obviously you like a more congenial conversation - i guess from experience very little on KB is of that nature

[dinosaur]

Now there's a public service.

Dino and Akzle having handbags.

My work here is done.

Hey I saw a guy park his car facing the wrong way in a suburban street over night - he does it every Tuesday night
If I PM you the address could you pop over there and sit in your police car and catch him for us

he's such a hazard - its terrible and he needs to be stopped - he's just not conforming
P.S I have it on good authority he doesn't wear a hi vis vest on his bike either - he's obviously a real bad arse

[R650R]

Parking in the cycle lane, feckin dangerous alright... ST1100 (or similar) gets snotted by group of riders at 55sec mark... not pretty...

Why does the video embed thing not always come up, is there a limit per day/week etc... only pic icon at moment in menu bar above...

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[oneofsix]

Parking in the cycle lane, feckin dangerous alright... ST1100 (or similar) gets snotted by group of riders at 55sec mark... not pretty...

Why does the video embed thing not always come up, is there a limit per day/week etc... only pic icon at moment in menu bar above...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz2kFxki1F0

they require flag marshels like any proper racing outfit. The motorcyclist even has a vest on FFS :lol:

[Gremlin]

they require flag marshels like any proper racing outfit. The motorcyclist even has a vest on FFS :lol:
Motocom or Motorcycle Commissaire, basically enforces the rules, can send people to the back etc.

Parking around a blind corner with them tearing around like that? :no:

[Erelyes]

Parking around a blind corner with them tearing around like that? :no:

Did you not see the guy at 0:41 that required a stretcher? Bike was protecting him. Better for all those other fuckwits to plow into a motorcycle, than for them to plow into someone already out for the count imo.

Course, the fact that they all come screaming around the corner despite having people wave them down.... guess they don't use brakes? :brick:

[Gremlin]

Did you not see the guy at 0:41 that required a stretcher? Bike was protecting him. Better for all those other fuckwits to plow into a motorcycle, than for them to plow into someone already out for the count imo.
Oh no, I saw all that, bike wasn't really in the best position (should be backed into barrier and angled out), plus the ref was on the bike, which made him vulnerable, when he could have gone back up the course to slow riders down... Those sort of situations need to be tackled quickly and decisively. Plus he couldn't back up the ST1300 from where he'd stopped.

Still, hindsight is 20-20.

[Erelyes]

plus the ref was on the bike, which made him vulnerable, when he could have gone back up the course to slow riders down...

Hindsight 20/20, absolutely. Still, stupid to have a corner like that, without having some sort of flag marshaling in place to slow people down in the event of a crash.

[Gremlin]

Hindsight 20/20, absolutely. Still, stupid to have a corner like that, without having some sort of flag marshaling in place to slow people down in the event of a crash.
You'd be surprised. I've operated on courses with blind corners and no marshals.

Biggest danger on street courses is adults walking out in front of bikes (usually holding babies - which really seems opposite to commonsense).

[R650R]

You'd be surprised. I've operated on courses with blind corners and no marshals.

Biggest danger on street courses is adults walking out in front of bikes (usually holding babies - which really seems opposite to commonsense).

So is this a trend/normal in road cycling when an incident occurs. Seemed to be an astounding lack of scene control for what looks like a comatose rider in first incident.
A few mountain bike events I've been to its an instant disqualification if you ride past an injured rider without offering help...
Love how the guy at 1.25 leans a bike up against the MC, then when the MC gets picked up another guy half hands the bike to him. He cant possibly not be aware but looks away and lets it drop.
Its only a 10K carbon pushbike I suppose but shows lack of care...

[Gremlin]

So is this a trend/normal in road cycling when an incident occurs. Seemed to be an astounding lack of scene control for what looks like a comatose rider in first incident.
The video is overseas, so can't comment, but I think I saw reference about problems with medics accessing course etc.

In NZ, basically, it depends on the event. Stage races (multi-day with country roads) usually have a doctor car, with doctor on board and ambulances in the convoy of vehicles which can be radioed up when needed. Closed course (triathlon, ironman etc) usually has one doctor on a motorbike for rapid response and this can be for public or participants, often a mix of medics on bicycles and motorbikes plus ambulances stationed in certain places. In terms of medical events, could be anything from hypothermia to heat exhaustion to broken bones.

Competitors won't stop for another competitor, but then I'm guessing it's not as isolated as mountain bike type events?

[R650R]

Competitors won't stop for another competitor, but then I'm guessing it's not as isolated as mountain bike type events?

To me its just the right thing to do when expert help isn't right there.
There was a good MTB crash vid doing the rounds recently, fella crashed and tore femoral artery with handlebar or brake lever.
Lucky his mate got straight in there and applied pressure otherwise he would have been dead in 2mins.
Was all on GoPro and didn't look that bad at first too.

[rastuscat]

Court hearing finally happened today.

Outcome - found proven, fined $300 plus court costs.

His defence was that he was riding in the cycle lane to avoid a hazard.

Tripe.

I really encourage people to defend tickets if they are spurious. But if they are legitimate, just pay the fine. Cheaper, certainly on this occasion.

[Diggers]

He obviously wanted his day in Court because he thought he was right. Bad luck his stand will cost him in the pocket.
Off for a celebratory donut Rastus?

[rastuscat]

He obviously wanted his day in Court because he thought he was right. Bad luck his stand will cost him in the pocket.
Off for a celebratory donut Rastus?

Mrs Cat had a knee replacement this week. I'm off work for a few weeks starting today to look after her while she convalesces.

I actually felt bad about the nasty fine. I wish there was sanction that doesn't involve the Treasury benefiting.

[cheshirecat]

You'd be surprised. I've operated on courses with blind corners and no marshals.

Biggest danger on street courses is adults walking out in front of bikes (usually holding babies - which really seems opposite to commonsense).
One of the hazards when DRing in London was people pushing prams out first from between stationary(and not so stationary) cars

[swbarnett]

I actually felt bad about the nasty fine. I wish there was sanction that doesn't involve the Treasury benefiting.
Dead easy.

1. Take perp to bank.
2. Withdraw cash.
3. Burn cash.

[rastuscat]

Dead easy.

1. Take perp to bank.
2. Withdraw cash.
3. Burn cash.

A better idea would be to take him to a charity e.g. Plunket and have the dish donated.

[scracha]

That's the problem with making shit up; you have to remember the lies that you've told, as somewhere they will be recorded and drawn back to your attention. I made notes of what was said at the roadside, I know what the excuse was at the time, and that this new excuse is BS.


The moral of this story ties in with my previous advice about dealing with cops.....don't speak to them. Amazing how many people talk themselves into a (bigger) ticket.

[Big Dog]

Mrs Cat had a knee replacement this week. I'm off work for a few weeks starting today to look after her while she convalesces.

I actually felt bad about the nasty fine. I wish there was sanction that doesn't involve the Treasury benefiting.

Get a big bottle of lube, remove the contents however you wish.
Fill with hand sanitizer.
Next time a perp asks if you are sure they need a ticket clean your hands.
If they were particularly naughty up to the elbow.

Big bottle of lube. $10
Big bottle of sanitizer $10
The look on their face... priceless.:shit:

[swbarnett]

A better idea would be to take him to a charity e.g. Plunket and have the dish donated.
I don't like that idea. The whole point is that no-one benifits financially. That way all talk of revenue gathering is quashed. If it goes to charity there's still the possibility of nepitism.

[rastuscat]

I don't like that idea. The whole point is that no-one benifits financially. That way all talk of revenue gathering is quashed. If it goes to charity there's still the possibility of nepitism.

Yes, agreed. Annette King talked up taking the dosh out of the system when she was minister of police. There's no political will for it.

[awayatc]

political will.................?

bit like snow hot....

[swbarnett]

Annette King talked up taking the dosh out of the system when she was minister of police. There's no political will for it.
Indeed. Could also means that maybe there is something to the revenue gathering argument. At least for some.

[Murray]

Outcome - found proven, fined $300 plus court costs.



As a matter of intrerest? If he had been found innocent would the Police have been charged costs??

I know of a rather large and costly case the police brought up and it was thrown out but still cost the defendant a very large lawyers bill!!

[geoffm]

As a matter of intrerest? If he had been found innocent would the Police have been charged costs??

I know of a rather large and costly case the police brought up and it was thrown out but still cost the defendant a very large lawyers bill!!

No, my understanding is you are SOL. Had to sell you rhouse because you can't get leagal aid if you own any assets? Cash in the retirement fund? To bad.
THis is used to stop people contesting bad decisions, since as a taxpayer, you are paying for both sides...
e.g - a cases where a person was charged with killing a burgalr but case dismissed as self defence - the legal bill was over $30k. Think of it as a a $30k fine guilty or not...
Geoff

[Murray]

No, my understanding is you are SOL. Had to sell you rhouse because you can't get leagal aid if you own any assets? Cash in the retirement fund? To bad.
THis is used to stop people contesting bad decisions, since as a taxpayer, you are paying for both sides...
e.g - a cases where a person was charged with killing a burgalr but case dismissed as self defence - the legal bill was over $30k. Think of it as a a $30k fine guilty or not...
Geoff

And if its say a non-prisonable offence and you have pretty well no money do you just plead guilty because you can't afford to fight the charges?

[Scuba_Steve]

And if its say a non-prisonable offence and you have pretty well no money do you just plead guilty because you can't afford to fight the charges?

no need to plead, you're guilty by default in NZ

[FJRider]

And if its say a non-prisonable offence and you have pretty well no money do you just plead guilty because you can't afford to fight the charges?

The Court option is there for those that believe they are innocent of the charges being laid against them. Or ... for those that wish to fight the charges for other (many and varied) reasons.

NOT fighting the charges IS (by Default) an admission of guilt that is alleged by the officer that issued the Traffic Infringement notice.

If Legal Aid is not allowed/provided ... the Duty Solicitor is available to provide legal assistance (at no charge) in court. Legal aid and Duty solicitors ... are NOT the same thing.

[Murray]

NOT fighting the charges IS (by Default) an admission of guilt that is alleged by the officer that issued the Traffic Infringement notice.

If Legal Aid is not allowed/provided ... the Duty Solicitor is available to provide legal assistance (at no charge) in court. Legal aid and Duty solicitors ... are NOT the same thing.



e.g - a cases where a person was charged with killing a burgler but case dismissed as self defence - the legal bill was over $30k. Think of it as a a $30k fine guilty or not...
Geoff

So in the example of geoffms, when you do not have any large sums of money you would a) be entitled to legal aid up tp $30k? or b) let the Duty solicitor handle it? Would you for such a serious charge?

Not talking traffic infringements here

[FJRider]

So in the example of geoffms, when you do not have any large sums of money you would a) be entitled to legal aid up tp $30k? or b) let the Duty solicitor handle it? Would you for such a serious charge?

Not talking traffic infringements here

As I understand ... your own financial status determines entitlement to Legal aid.

Option a) if you are entitled ... take it.

Option b) if you are too stingy to pay ... the duty solicitor is your next option.

[Madness]

As I understand ...

Option b) if you are too stingy to pay ... the duty solicitor is your next option.

Good luck getting a Duty Solicitor to act in a Defended Hearing, let alone effectively. Their primary function is to assist with those appearing on the list; pleas, remands, etc. Besides, some of the Duty Solicitors I've seen have been excellent justification for self-representation, in other words fucking hopeless.

[FJRider]

Good luck getting a Duty Solicitor to act in a Defended Hearing, let alone effectively. Their primary function is to assist with those appearing on the list; pleas, remands, etc. Besides, some of the Duty Solicitors I've seen have been excellent justification for self-representation, in other words fucking hopeless.

I concur ... :laugh:

[swbarnett]

NOT fighting the charges IS (by Default) an admission of guilt that is alleged by the officer that issued the Traffic Infringement notice.
So an presumption of guilt then in the eyes of the law.

If we truly had an "innocent until proven guilty" system you could just ignore the charge until the cops take it to court and provide proof beyond reasonable doubt. And the opinion of one witness would not be sufficient. No matter how credible they are.

[FJRider]

So an presumption of guilt then in the eyes of the law.

An accusation of guilt in the eyes of the Law enforcement authorities ... actually.

Police are not the law. They enforce the law .. and being human (although some have contradictory opinions) ... they can/do get it wrong (understatement). There ARE legal options you have to remedy those wrongs prior to .. or in ... a Court of Law. If you choose.


If we truly had an "innocent until proven guilty" system you could just ignore the charge until the cops take it to court and provide proof beyond reasonable doubt. And the opinion of one witness would not be sufficient. No matter how credible they are.

You have the option to ignore the charge NOW ... many DO ..

The Judge is the one to convince you're innocent. Not just one (credible) witness ...

[swbarnett]

An accusation of guilt in the eyes of the Law enforcement authorities ... actually.
If you reread what I said you may find that I was talking about a presumption of guilt on the part of the court simply because you decide not to fight the charges. Even though the charge is not proven.


The Judge is the one to convince you're innocent. Not just one (credible) witness ...
Sorry if I wasn't clear but this is essentially what I meant. And also that one witness would be insufficient to satisfy legal proof if we truly had an automatic repsumption of innocence.