ACC at it again!

[Reckless]

Be Prepared to pay more for that vintage car or bike you take out 4 times a year!

They charge us extra for 'risk factor' then charge Vintage car drivers and bike riders for 'year factor' on top?
Wtf You Kidding me it Makes the staff at ACC look like they haven't got any brains at all!!
The risk factor on the bi monthly tiki tours in your old Model A, mustang, Vauxhall, Vincent or AJS must carry a very low risk/claim factor.
Yet they are claiming risk factor for the extra we pay in our rego?
Didn't they make a fecking profit last year??
They want it both ways by the looks?
How can we have any faith in these idiots and their fee setting??

New Zealanders, share this one around, it effects you!
ACC levies on old cars – act now!
Owners of vehicles more than 40 years old are about to be hit with an increased cost of around 70% in the ACC component of their vehicle registration, while most other vehicles will benefit from a 40% reduction. I think this is vastly unfair. Submissions are open until June 17, so if you don’t want to be hit in the pocket I urge you to act now before it’s too late.
No doubt you will have seen the news items about how the ACC component in vehicle registration will reduced for 2015/16. The ACC is proposing that levies be determined by how safe a vehicle is. This is good news for owners of modern vehicles, but for hot rod and classic car enthusiasts it works the other way. This is because there is no crash/safety data available for older cars, which puts them in ‘Class 3’
In ACC’s document titled ‘Light Passenger Vehicles’ a small but significant sentence states ‘If the vehicle you are querying is 40 or more years old then it is classed as a vintage or veteran vehicle is placed into Class 3 vehicles.’ Looking at the proposed levy for class 3 vehicles this amount is going to be $118.83 plus gst.
Currently the ACC proportion of an annual vehicle license over 40 years is $69.53 plus gst. That is going to be a huge 71% increase in ACC levies for these vehicles, plus gst.
The government is taking submissions on its proposed new levies until June 17.
Check out these links
http://www.acc.co.nz/PRD_EXT_CSMP/groups/external_levies/documents/papers_plans/wpc134044.pdf
http://www.acc.co.nz/PRD_EXT_CSMP/groups/external_levies/documents/papers_plans/wpc134042.pdf Motor vehicle account is on page 92
You can email:
levyconsultation@acc.co.nz
or on the web www.acc.co.nz/levyconsultation to make a submission
In your submission, the key points would be:
Most of these vehicles are driven only occasionally and not as an everyday vehicle
· Many have limited mileage insurance.
· If you own several classic cars you obviously can’t drive them all at once.
· The are far less classic and collectable cars over 40 years old on the road, so the likelihood of these being involved in an injury accident is significantly less than a sales rep’s daily driven Toyota
· As these are rare and valuable cars they are driven with care.
It is grossly unfair that owners of classic and collectable cars should be paying such a huge proportion of their registration fee towards the ACC Levy. Ask ACC to reconsider the amount of ACC levy to be applied to vehicles over 40 years old.
Please take a couple of minutes to make a submission. And please share this amongst your Facebook friends, and your real friends by email.
www.acc.co.nz
ACC.CO.NZ

[SPman]

Makes the staff at ACC look like they haven't got any brains at all!!

You've finally noticed, have you.............:killingme

[Murray]

Looking at the proposed levy for class 3 vehicles this amount is going to be $118.83 plus gst.
Currently the ACC proportion of an annual vehicle license over 40 years is $69.53 plus gst. That is going to be a huge 71% increase in ACC levies for these vehicles, plus gst.


$118.83 per year - LUXURY

[Voltaire]

I'll be interested to see how the VCC handles this one. Probably a lot better than KB forum whingers ....:lol:
I might have to take the Commando and R90s out more often to get my moneys worth.

[Akzle]

fuck, i'm very upset by this. it's so unexpected. i might vote about it!

[neels]

What about this bit of what you attached.....

Vehicle classes 2 and 6 contain the petrol (class 2) and non-petrol (class 6) driven vehicles that are not
elsewhere classified. They include passenger vehicles, self-propelled caravans (for example campervans),
mobile cranes, passenger service vehicles (for example buses) and hearses. Vehicles that are over 40 years
old are termed veteran or vintage and are put into classes 3 and 7. They are not affected by this proposal

[Reckless]

What about this bit of what you attached.....

Vehicle classes 2 and 6 contain the petrol (class 2) and non-petrol (class 6) driven vehicles that are not
elsewhere classified. They include passenger vehicles, self-propelled caravans (for example campervans),
mobile cranes, passenger service vehicles (for example buses) and hearses. Vehicles that are over 40 years
old are termed veteran or vintage and are put into classes 3 and 7. They are not affected by this proposal

Got it off the net via Post classic Via NZV8 Magazine trusted that V8 magazine knew what they where putting forward?
Posted it fast before I read thoroughly it as there is only 5 days left to submit.
Looks like you might have sprung them to be wrong LMAO?
Prob need to get it clarified?

[Reckless]

NA looks like your right Neels my bad :( Teach me to let the red mist come down to fast LMAO :)

Good one mate :)

Clarified here by a later poster after the posted article by NZV8 on the NZV8 FB page.
Wouldn't be surprised to see it deleted fairly soon, if he is correct?

PLEASE READ THE PROPOSAL PROPERLY.

it clearly says cars over 40 years old are class 3 and 7. Class 3 does NOT mean band 3 of the risk rating bands. The risk rating bands only affect class 2 and 6 vehicles.


Looks like I was out of the starting block to soon LMAO

Delete thread time me thinks before there is a KB uproar LMAO

[SMOKEU]

If the vehicle isn't used much then just take the risk and put the vehicle license on hold.

[Reckless]

If the vehicle isn't used much then just take the risk and put the vehicle license on hold.

False alarm I think. But don't have the power to delete the thread by the looks :(

Ah well give me the prize this week! Don't trust a cage page lol

[Mike.Gayner]

If the vehicle isn't used much then just take the risk and put the vehicle license on hold.

I rode my A7 all summer without a plate at all.

Then the day I got a plate I blew the motor. Coincidence?

[SMOKEU]

I rode my A7 all summer without a plate at all.

Then the day I got a plate I blew the motor. Coincidence?

Must be! :crazy:

[Indiana_Jones]

Yup, a bit of confusion here. Classic cars are class 3, not band 3.

Also the line in the front page of the list that says "if your car isn't listed, it's class 3". The list doesn't go further back than 1974 from the top of my head.

Also someone else where got this reply when he emailed ACC over the matter.

"The proposed 2015/16 levy rates for petrol driven and non-petrol driven vintage cars are $43.36 and $67.68 respectively. This is to be compared with the 2014/15 rates of $69.53 and $113.43 respectively."

So in fact the rego costs will be lower it seems :niceone:

-Indy

[caseye]

Tisk tisk Rickster!
Yer heart is, as always in the right place me ol mate.
Hey time we rode out, got me a bandidito these days, might be quick enough to keep up wiv ya nowadays.

[Reckless]

ha Caseye
mate got me a slow bike now mate a Mag wheel Bonnie :)
We bought it together lol More commitment than marriage for a biker :)
But good to have a bike bitch that loves everything I do :)
Lost my licence demerits something had to change?
The pricks on the passing lanes with their radars weren't, even the ole SV felt odd under 120/130
Bought her rather than a cruiser, but at least she'll still get to the edge of a tyre without scrapin her ass :)
Come to the Kiwi mate I'm leading a crew down though Horahora and old Taupo Rd. Great ride that :)
But we'll Catch up soon aye :)

[AllanB]

It's really simple folks.

Election year so offerings of more family entitlements, medical funding etc etc....

Now where do they get the coin from? Start digging into loads of pocket groups that could be taxed more without a public outcry.

I am how going to make myself a tinfoil hat so they cannot read my mind.

[Erelyes]

Nissan GTR 1990-2008 band 2
Nissan Skyline 1978-2010 band 1

Ok.....

Subaru Outback 1999-2008 band 4
Subaru Outback 2009-curr. band 1

Ok....

Volkswagen Polo 1984-1993 band 1
Volkswagen Polo 1994-1998 band 4
Volkswagen Polo 1999-2008 band 2
Volkswagen Polo 2009-curr. band 1

Ok...

I get that 'newer=/= safer' but this is fucking ridiculous.
Ah well, our family car is Band 4, so I ain't complaining.
And what the fuck is a Nissan Sedan.

[Ocean1]

What's fucking ridiculous is double the price for "non petrol" vehicles from a policy that claims to be apportioning costs according to risk.

Fucking what?

[Murray]

Did someone say Vintagehoi????

[Voltaire]

Did someone say Vintagehoi????



Now we are a 3 bike family and all but motorcycle ACC levies are being reduced when are we going to say enough is enough. I just wish that our bikehoi some 3-4 years ago had gone the full distance and we had bought wellington to a standstill! Maybe now if something similar was arranged public perception may be different as it is widely publicised all Acc levies are going down apart from the mo-cyclists.

Give me a date and me and my mates will be there!!

Appreciate efforts put in before but maybe our time has come again - election not far away

Whens it on, the Norton and the old guys at the Vintage Car Club have they're mobility scooter batteries charged up and ready to go :lol::lol::lol:

[MrKiwi]

What's fucking ridiculous is double the price for "non petrol" vehicles from a policy that claims to be apportioning costs according to risk.

Fucking what?
That is because some of the ACC levy is built into fuel price (hence the 4c a litre lowering) but diesel fuel has no ACC component so all is paid on the levy.

The risk rating system for cars is well intended, but full of anomalies. Designed by officials, need I say any more... :beer:

[Ocean1]

That is because some of the ACC levy is built into fuel price (hence the 4c a litre lowering) but diesel fuel has no ACC component so all is paid on the levy.

It's paid for through road user charges. Why should my work van licence cost twice as much as an identical petrol powered item?

[rastuscat]

It's paid for through road user charges. Why should my work van licence cost twice as much as an identical petrol powered item?

Raised exactly this point with an ACC manager on Monday.

Response was that RUC still doesn't totally cover the disparity.

Sounded like an excuse to me but it may be right.

[MrKiwi]

It's paid for through road user charges. Why should my work van licence cost twice as much as an identical petrol powered item?


RUC does not include any allowance for ACC levies. None.

See this tool on the MoT website that explains the differences... http://www.transport.govt.nz/ourwork/land/roadusercharges/light-petrol-vs-diesel/

Click on the petrol versus diesel charges calculator. You will see for petrol vehicles there are two ACC charges, some from fuel and some from a straight annual charge. For diesel it is all annual charge and no fuel.

[Ocean1]

RUC does not include any allowance for ACC levies. None.

See this tool on the MoT website that explains the differences... http://www.transport.govt.nz/ourwork/land/roadusercharges/light-petrol-vs-diesel/

Click on the petrol versus diesel charges calculator. You will see for petrol vehicles there are two ACC charges, some from fuel and some from a straight annual charge. For diesel it is all annual charge and no fuel.

Well that's OK then, there's no inherently inequitable ACC related costs built into the RUC charges.

They're massively inequitable road cost related, charging my 1300cc diesel Fiat Panda the same as a 30 Ton semi.

[MrKiwi]

Well that's OK then, there's no inherently inequitable ACC related costs built into the RUC charges.

They're massively inequitable road cost related, charging my 1300cc diesel Fiat Panda the same as a 30 Ton semi.

Now that I agree with...

[neels]

Well that's OK then, there's no inherently inequitable ACC related costs built into the RUC charges.

They're massively inequitable road cost related, charging my 1300cc diesel Fiat Panda the same as a 30 Ton semi.
Slightly incorrect, 30 ton semi no, 3.5 ton toyota landcruiser yes. Your point still stands though, and is a big part of the reason why people don't drive diesel cars in this country, when the road user charge cost is the same as the diesel cost for a ford fiesta it's got a bit silly

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicle/registration-licensing/ruc/rates-fees.html#powered

[MrKiwi]

Nissan GTR 1990-2008 band 2
Nissan Skyline 1978-2010 band 1

Ok.....

Subaru Outback 1999-2008 band 4
Subaru Outback 2009-curr. band 1

Ok....

Volkswagen Polo 1984-1993 band 1
Volkswagen Polo 1994-1998 band 4
Volkswagen Polo 1999-2008 band 2
Volkswagen Polo 2009-curr. band 1

Ok...

I get that 'newer=/= safer' but this is fucking ridiculous.
Ah well, our family car is Band 4, so I ain't complaining.
And what the fuck is a Nissan Sedan.

You aint half kidding the ACC banding is ridiculous. I've been through the list from end to end and the number of anomalies is just about more than the ones that make sense. Their methodology on the face of it looks OK, but the results are crap, so that has led me to conclude their methodology is crap. Two reasons for this I've identified so far are:
- it assumes NZ and Australian cars are built to the same spec at the model level. This is not true. The model is made up of lots of sub models and in Australia their are many more sub-models de-spec'd compared to NZ.
- newer cars are also involved in a lot less crashes so their crash data is limited and that is screwing the results.

More will be ehard on this, you can bet your bottom dollar the NZ distributors of new vehicles don't like the results of the banding and they will ensure ACC understand that!

[Ocean1]

More will be ehard on this, you can bet your bottom dollar the NZ distributors of new vehicles don't like the results of the banding and they will ensure ACC understand that!

Good luck to 'em, if the "clients" actually paying for the "service" can't move them from an entrenched ideological policy then I can't see a completely non-contributing but commercially interested entity engendering much in the way of "understanding".

And my that's a lot of ".