Tesla releases patents

[Akzle]

http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you

to anyone who loves jewgold, look away now.
Electric cars are some gay shit, but companies not behaving like gews, its the future! get it in ya, ya old white gits.

[bogan]

Good work from tesla, though from a legal standpoint it seems completely non-binding, so you're probably fine unless you start doing something better than they can...

Patent law is absolutely fucked, too much room for 'offensive' patents rather than the 'defensive' patents it was set out to provide.

[Akzle]

Good work from tesla, though from a legal standpoint it seems completely non-binding, so you're probably fine unless you start doing something better than they can...


opensource, the future.
Collaborative, not competetive. (stop me if youve heard this one before...)

They said they wouldnt sue if used 'in good faith'
if you start a company 'T3sla inc' and start selling shit, probably problems.
But under the jewdicial system, someone else could probably do you if tesla wasnt interested...
Buy shares in copper, while it lasts.

Opensource justice, government... Theres an idea.

[imdying]

The problem with idiots like you is that you only see what you want to see.

[Akzle]

The problem with idiots like you is that you only see what you want to see.

no, i see a stack of shit i dont want to see. Then i jump on kb, plenty of swearing, a few 'jews' thrown in. Some rambling, innuendo, abuse boristhepillowbiter, and we end up with either a good ol shit slinging match, or confused sad and angry old white men, who are far to old and white to go thinking about things.

[mashman]

no, i see a stack of shit i dont want to see. Then i jump on kb, plenty of swearing, a few 'jews' thrown in. Some rambling, innuendo, abuse boristhepillowbiter, and we end up with either a good ol shit slinging match, or confused sad and angry old white men, who are far to old and white to go thinking about things.

bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa

Good job Tesla... the start of many more with any luck.

[SMOKEU]

Electric vehicles can be very good. Just look at the Tesla model S. It's certainly not slow (by car standards).

Maximum torque throughout the rev range with electric motors too, no complex gearboxes, and minimal servicing. Once the batteries die I can see things getting very expensive though.

[R650R]

opensource, the future.
Collaborative, not competetive. (stop me if youve heard this one before...)



Yes 100% agree. Read a good article awhile back about that concept. We should have outposts on the moon and mars etc with the technology we have but progress is strangled by Patent law.
Just imagine if some prick had patented the wheel, 90% of us wouldn't be able to afford them and we'd be driving on octagonised squares.
The fastest pace of improvement in Human technology has been before what we have today yet knowledge has never been more accesable...

[mashman]

Yes 100% agree. Read a good article awhile back about that concept. We should have outposts on the moon and mars etc with the technology we have but progress is strangled by Patent law.
Just imagine if some prick had patented the wheel, 90% of us wouldn't be able to afford them and we'd be driving on octagonised squares.
The fastest pace of improvement in Human technology has been before what we have today yet knowledge has never been more accesable...

Why is a patent usually sought?

[pzkpfw]

Yes 100% agree. Read a good article awhile back about that concept. We should have outposts on the moon and mars etc with the technology we have but progress is strangled by Patent law.
Just imagine if some prick had patented the wheel, 90% of us wouldn't be able to afford them and we'd be driving on octagonised squares.
The fastest pace of improvement in Human technology has been before what we have today yet knowledge has never been more accesable...

Holy shit! Are you saying patent law prevents us all having Unicorns and Fairy Dust?

[BoristheBiter]

no, i see a stack of shit i dont want to see. Then i jump on kb, plenty of swearing, a few 'jews' thrown in. Some rambling, innuendo, abuse boristhepillowbiter, and we end up with either a good ol shit slinging match, or confused sad and angry old white men, who are far to old and white to go thinking about things.

That's because the rest of us have bikes to jump on and you just have your mum.

[Laava]

no, i see a stack of shit i dont want to see. Then i jump on kb, plenty of swearing, a few 'jews' thrown in. Some rambling, innuendo, abuse boristhepillowbiter, and we end up with either a good ol shit slinging match, or confused sad and angry old white men, who are far to old and white to go thinking about things.

Are you trying to be young and black?

[SMOKEU]

Why is a patent usually sought?

So Jews (https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Jew) can get enough money to buy more jewgold (https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Jew_Gold).

[AllanB]

Read somewhere that the work going into making the batteries that run vehicles is worse for the environment than good old crude oil extraction and associated emissions. It could be crap.

I'd be investing in regeneration technology - clone dinosaurs, crunch em up and make more fuel.

Or flying cars - powered by ram jet technology :2thumbsup

[AllanB]

And anti-gravity tec .......

[R650R]

Read somewhere that the work going into making the batteries that run vehicles is worse for the environment than good old crude oil extraction and associated emissions...p

That's one if my pet peeves against the blissfull ignorance of the green movement. Yes let's use cleaner better new technology but don't go trying to say its magnitudes cleaner.
Yes lots of heavy metals and rare earth minerals needed for batteries and electronic controls, then the plastics for housings etc all that means industrial mining and need for petroleum products.
Don't get me started on wind turbines with their 60-400L of transmission oil in their gearboxes...

[bogan]

That's one if my pet peeves against the blissfull ignorance of the green movement. Yes let's use cleaner better new technology but don't go trying to say its magnitudes cleaner.
Yes lots of heavy metals and rare earth minerals needed for batteries and electronic controls, then the plastics for housings etc all that means industrial mining and need for petroleum products.
Don't get me started on wind turbines with their 60-400L of transmission oil in their gearboxes...

Not all of the green movement is blissfully ignorant, but the movement towards greener technology does benefit us all.

How many kWhrs does that 60-400L of oil last in a windmill?

[Ocean1]

Patent law is absolutely fucked, too much room for 'offensive' patents rather than the 'defensive' patents it was set out to provide.

Patent law hasn't always been fucked, it's original concept has been ambushed.

I mean, patents on genome data? Fuck off.

Patent to protect your fucking good idea from immediately being copied by another business? Of course. No patents = no industrial R&D.

[Ocean1]

That's one if my pet peeves against the blissfull ignorance of the green movement. Yes let's use cleaner better new technology but don't go trying to say its magnitudes cleaner.
Yes lots of heavy metals and rare earth minerals needed for batteries and electronic controls, then the plastics for housings etc all that means industrial mining and need for petroleum products.
Don't get me started on wind turbines with their 60-400L of transmission oil in their gearboxes...

I agree. As it happens all of those rare minerals and metals are easy enough to recover, the plastics even easier, you've just got to make it extremely difficult to avoid those costs. Germany's got that one right, recovery costs built into the purchase price.

[R650R]

Not all of the green movement is blissfully ignorant, but the movement towards greener technology does benefit us all.

How many kWhrs does that 60-400L of oil last in a windmill?

It's not a benefit if we're taxed into oblivian so they can get the govt subsidies to make it work, not to mention the energy wasted by having hydro/coal/gas stations still spooled up as back up when wind drops (you can't just suddenly turn up output on big stations without network loading being unbalanced and nuking the whole system).

Oil, prob not long. The shear load on the gears in those turbines is phenomenal and they are still trying to engineer a suitable oil product specific for it. At the moment they need frequent changes and complex filtration so they don't overheat and catch fire which quite a few of the early models already have done. Ever wondered why they don't have all the turbines in a wind farm spinning, cause they don't want to wear them out to quick....

http://www.wind-watch.org/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/wind-turbine-fire-iowa.jpg

[AllanB]

Watched a interesting doco about The London Array (google it) - worlds largest wind farm off-shore of England. Will NZ get something similar?

Greenies may offer tax incentives if they get any Govt power.

[BoristheBiter]

It's not a benefit if we're taxed into oblivian so they can get the govt subsidies to make it work, not to mention the energy wasted by having hydro/coal/gas stations still spooled up as back up when wind drops (you can't just suddenly turn up output on big stations without network loading being unbalanced and nuking the whole system).

Oil, prob not long. The shear load on the gears in those turbines is phenomenal and they are still trying to engineer a suitable oil product specific for it. At the moment they need frequent changes and complex filtration so they don't overheat and catch fire which quite a few of the early models already have done. Ever wondered why they don't have all the turbines in a wind farm spinning, cause they don't want to wear them out to quick....


especially if it's too windy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAWMpxX60KM

[Akzle]

No patents = no industrial R&D.

did you miss the bit about how this company did all their r&d, basically for free, and are now giving it to everyone, for free?

[Ocean1]

did you miss the bit about how this company did all their r&d, basically for free, and are now giving it to everyone, for free?

No. Good on them, but did you look at the patents? There's no doubt altruism involved, but their market is changing so fast they're worthless months after they're lodged.

In the meantime who's going to buy the groceries for the techies developing the next bunch of tricks?

[R650R]

Will NZ get something similar?



My interest extends only to pointing out the money pit the current designs are and that they are far from green when you factor in subsidies (tax payers generate emmisions working to pay tax) and associated manufacture/transport/install/maintenance activity/backup power emmisions.
I forgot to mention in my original rant how the greens love how cleaner rail is (only by about 25%) but forget what gets the freight to the railhead/station from/to the client when doing their numbers...
Will look up that link and have a look.

Google James Delingpole, he does some supreme write-ups well researched for the Gaurdian or Telegraph in UK on the lies of green energy.

Did see an interesting story other day of a low level turbine that works on venture type effect and needs very little wind. Looks like it would be great for use on an individual household basis.

[R650R]

Speaking of patenst and new technology etc we all know how the car that runs on water thing keeps getting hidden away.
And every time those things are on the news they never really explain the concept.
Well I came across this in my travels, interesting concept although the guy does say there would issues with corrosion of cylinder parts without right materials.
Basically its about using excess heat from engine to inject steam into the cylinder just after combustion for extra expansion.
Bit of a messy write up but interesting....

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/threestepengine.html

[Laava]

There is nothing new about using water to run a car. It can be done as steam or it can be seperated into it's elements and combusted. Both methods are extremely dangerous and that is why it has not been done mainstream.

[bogan]

It's not a benefit if we're taxed into oblivian so they can get the govt subsidies to make it work, not to mention the energy wasted by having hydro/coal/gas stations still spooled up as back up when wind drops (you can't just suddenly turn up output on big stations without network loading being unbalanced and nuking the whole system).

Oil, prob not long. The shear load on the gears in those turbines is phenomenal and they are still trying to engineer a suitable oil product specific for it. At the moment they need frequent changes and complex filtration so they don't overheat and catch fire which quite a few of the early models already have done. Ever wondered why they don't have all the turbines in a wind farm spinning, cause they don't want to wear them out to quick....

http://www.wind-watch.org/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/wind-turbine-fire-iowa.jpg

Yeh, it still would be, as the world would be greener. Keeping hydro etc spooled up is up to fuck all for wasted energy.

Point I'm making is you get a hell of a lot more kWhr for your oil investment on a big wind turbine than you get by just burning it.

You seem to be confusing green energy with free energy, greener energy is a very worthy goal, not being as green as free doesn't mean it isn't worth pursuing the fuck out of.

[mashman]

So Jews (https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Jew) can get enough money to buy more jewgold (https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Jew_Gold).

I must give you gold stars.

[R650R]

Point I'm making is you get a hell of a lot more kWhr for your oil investment on a big wind turbine than you get by just burning it.



I don't think you do as it violates a basic engineering principle of taking the energy from point of release via extra channels to the place its needed. Its like have two gearboxes attached to a motor when one could do the job.
There is a huge amount of energy used and emmisions made from the start with companies design/build testing, political hot air/debate and then the transport/install/repair phases and new connection to grid etc.
These turbines are supposed to last 25-30 years but many of them are struggling to make 20 with many worn out after 15...
Wind power will be a good thing when its in a local package going to direct to the consumer, ie the small ones on lifestyle blocks/baches etc But it will never be that way as the govts/corporates lose a control mechanism over the people, they seriously don't want people making their own energy sources.
Wind power at the moment is like already owning a DR650 to ride to work on but buying an RS125 to use less petrol but leaving the DR650 running in the driveway incase its needed and also buying the RS125 on finance at say 30%. And then only using the RS125 for 50 out of 365 days of the years etc...

[bogan]

I don't think you do as it violates a basic engineering principle of taking the energy from point of release via extra channels to the place its needed. Its like have two gearboxes attached to a motor when one could do the job.
There is a huge amount of energy used and emmisions made from the start with companies design/build testing, political hot air/debate and then the transport/install/repair phases and new connection to grid etc.
These turbines are supposed to last 25-30 years but many of them are struggling to make 20 with many worn out after 15...
Wind power will be a good thing when its in a local package going to direct to the consumer, ie the small ones on lifestyle blocks/baches etc But it will never be that way as the govts/corporates lose a control mechanism over the people, they seriously don't want people making their own energy sources.
Wind power at the moment is like already owning a DR650 to ride to work on but buying an RS125 to use less petrol but leaving the DR650 running in the driveway incase its needed and also buying the RS125 on finance at say 30%. And then only using the RS125 for 50 out of 365 days of the years etc...

What a crock of shit. 2 gearboxes is still a lot more efficient than just lighting things on fire. Large wind turbines put in windy places get a lot more energy output per fabrication/maintenance investment than thousands of shitty little ones stuck in not very windy places. Electrical power distribution is actually pretty damn efficient.
Wind power is like buying an electric bike to reduce emissions on your commute, but keeping the DR for a weekend blat.

[george formby]

Did see an interesting story other day of a low level turbine that works on venture type effect and needs very little wind. Looks like it would be great for use on an individual household basis.

Seen a few things using this idea or proposing to. For a few years now venturi / helix turbines have supplied most of the power to a high rise in Chicago. Must have a look & see if they are still going. Very cheap, self regulating regardless of wind speed, very quiet & bugger all stress on them.
The same principle is being explored for tidal turbines & "kite farms". Tethered generators flown like kites.

[Akzle]

Electrical power distribution is actually pretty damn efficient.
no it isn't. have a look at pylons under heavy load vs off peak - that sag is energy lost as heat.
line losses are fucking insane.


Seen a few things using this idea or proposing to. For a few years now venturi / helix turbines have supplied most of the power to a high rise in Chicago. Must have a look & see if they are still going. Very cheap, self regulating regardless of wind speed, very quiet & bugger all stress on them.
The same principle is being explored for tidal turbines & "kite farms". Tethered generators flown like kites.

V.A.W.T? i was hoping to have one by now. unfortunately its still in fucking straya. fucking strayans.

or, one liek
http://www.whirlopedia.com/images/highway-wind-turbines.jpg

or
http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/US7726933B2/US07726933-20100601-D00001.png someone made one a few months back, but cant find pics of.

[bogan]

no it isn't. have a look at pylons under heavy load vs off peak - that sag is energy lost as heat.
line losses are fucking insane.

Wow, so you're telling me the backbone of the power distribution network generates enough waste heat to make some cable longer; omfg stop the presses, that must be almost 3% energy wasted :rolleyes: :facepalm:

[Voltaire]

no it isn't. have a look at pylons under heavy load vs off peak - that sag is energy lost as heat.
line losses are fucking insane.



Those HV lines sure get hot alright
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WehyhqWmmyE/ULih2sr1uWI/AAAAAAAAHqQ/d8OYA5Cd_H8/s1600/frosty+power-line-crop.jpg

[Akzle]

that must be almost 3% energy wasted :rolleyes: :facepalm:

according to nemo, (i'm far too lazy to investigate this for you) 6-8% is considered normal. which worked out to be a mere 20 billion dollars a year wasted to warm up the lines, and the atmosphere.

oh, except they didn't waste it, they just made the consumer pay for it.
but fuckyeah, good system for sure, this centralised power shit. gews are fucking loving it.

[Akzle]

Those HV lines sure get hot alright

touch one.... g'wan...

[bogan]

according to nemo, (i'm far too lazy to investigate this for you) 6-8% is considered normal. which worked out to be a mere 20 billion dollars a year wasted to warm up the lines, and the atmosphere.

I think you'll find the 6-8% includes transformer losses etc as well. Regardless, where they put the wind turbines now is more than 6-8% more windy than on top of your shack so we're more than compensated for grid losses.

[Voltaire]

touch one.... g'wan...

Can't be two bad as birds sit on them.

[Akzle]

I think you'll find the 6-8% includes transformer losses etc as well. Regardless, where they put the wind turbines now is more than 6-8% more windy than on top of your shack so we're more than compensated for grid losses.

according to wikipedia (which is >90% bullshit) the line losses were 7.3% in 2011 (guess i can be bothered after all)

i maintain that centralisation is fucking stupid.

[Ocean1]

according to wikipedia (which is >90% bullshit) the line losses were 7.3% in 2011 (guess i can be bothered after all)

i maintain that centralisation is fucking stupid.

In the interests of sustainable resource management I suggest you resort to collecting it in a bucket.

Or even greener: don't buy any at all. Grow your own.

[Akzle]

In the interests of sustainable resource management I suggest you resort to collecting it in a bucket.

Or even greener: don't buy any at all. Grow your own.

mainly cows round here, man, the compost makes for some skunky buds!