Time to have your say, boys and girls

[Kiwi Graham]

MNZ have a survey out pop in and have your say.

http://www.mnz.co.nz/news/news-detail/2014/06/19/2015-nzsbk-survey

[Skunk]

I wouldn't have posted the link there Graham... There is no check to see if the responders have anything to do with racing.


If it ain't smokin' - it's broken.

[sil3nt]

It is all over Facebook as well. I am surprised they would have an open survey on this.

[Billy]

I wouldn't have posted the link there Graham... There is no check to see if the responders have anything to do with racing.


If it ain't smokin' - it's broken.

It's an open poll "stinkbomb",It would appear there has been a change of culture and that now Mrs Browns boys opinion is as valuable as those who spend huge money to participate,Thats why you didn't secure the position,Your just not up with the program.....Assuming there is one????

[Drew]

I would rather that logging in was requires. Still, loads of people with no intention of doing the nats will vote.

[Skunk]

Vote for one three day round at your local with one practice session. Clubmans should be the only class.


If it ain't smokin', it's broken.

[Skunk]

Oh, and speaking of Clubmans I see classes included that aren't even in the rule book...


If it ain't smokin', it's broken.

[budda]

Oh, and speaking of Clubmans I see classes included that aren't even in the rule book...




yet .........

[Kickaha]

Vote for one three day round at your local with one practice session. Clubmans should be the only class.


Well I was going to round up everyone I could to vote Superbikes and 600 as the least important classes

[Skunk]

yet .........

Rule 1. Open.

Done.

No need for any other classes.


If it ain't smokin', it's broken.

[Skunk]

What is wrong with running a minimum Nationals classes and run an interclub championship of several classes as support classes?
Forgot sorry: my ideas weren't wanted.


If it ain't smokin', it's broken.

[Billy]

Forgot sorry: my ideas weren't wanted.


If it ain't smokin', it's broken.

Woah!!!! Wanna sticking plaster for that festering wound hahahaha,Be thankful you dodged a bullet.

[Skunk]

I've been told that my help is wanted but still a little boy waits...
Just getting the digs in while I can :)


If it ain't smokin', it's broken.

[Drew]

yet .........

What an incredible waste of internet. Is there something you know that the general public don't, regarding the addition of classes?

I fucken hope so, so I can protest every result in every class that we don't know where and when they're running.

[Kickaha]

I fucken hope so, so I can protest every result in every class that we don't know where and when they're running.
Unless you're racing in everyone one of those classes that you don't yet know about you can't

[Billy]

What an incredible waste of internet. Is there something you know that the general public don't, regarding the addition of classes?

I fucken hope so, so I can protest every result in every class that we don't know where and when they're running.

I think El Rotundo was just hinting at the fact that things have become so....Um unusual for the want of a better word,That clubmans could become a national class,All tongue in cheek stuff.

But heres tricky one for you,I was informed by 1 particular organiser during preparations for NZSBK,That we HAD to have clubmans so anybody who doesn't qualify for their class can still have a race,Sooooo,If you don't qualify for the sidecar races,Can you still run in clubmans ??????

[Kickaha]

If you don't qualify for the sidecar races,Can you still run in clubmans ??????
If we could I would be prepared to totally fuck up qualifying to do it

[Drew]

Unless you're racing in everyone one of those classes that you don't yet know about you can't
I just tried to find something in the rules, fucked if I'm going back through that miswritten piece of shit again tonight.

[Drew]

I think El Rotundo was just hinting at the fact that things have become so....Um unusual for the want of a better word,That clubmans could become a national class,All tongue in cheek stuff.

But heres tricky one for you,I was informed by 1 particular organiser during preparations for NZSBK,That we HAD to have clubmans so anybody who doesn't qualify for their class can still have a race,Sooooo,If you don't qualify for the sidecar races,Can you still run in clubmans ??????


If we could I would be prepared to totally fuck up qualifying to do it

Me too. Would be fucken awesome to own some solos under brakes.

[Kickaha]

I just tried to find something in the rules, fucked if I'm going back through that miswritten piece of shit again tonight.
7.1.4
A protest may only be made by a competitor who has competed in a race or competition from which the protest ensues, or that rider’s representative
where the rider making the protest is incapacitated by reason of injury.

Me too. Would be fucken awesome to own some solos under brakes.
Did a Friday test day between SI and NI Nationals with heaps of solos, taking them under brakes and going around the outside of them, dunno about them but I was having lots of fun

[quickbuck]

Me too. Would be fucken awesome to own some solos under brakes.




Yeah, figuratively speaking I hope you mean........





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[scrivy]

Sooooo,If you don't qualify for the sidecar races,Can you still run in clubmans ??????

There is no qualifying cutoff mark for chairs.......:bleh:

But I like where you went with the idea......

[Skunk]

118% at Clerk of Course's discretion.


If it ain't smokin' - it's broken.

[jasonu]

Did a Friday test day between SI and NI Nationals with heaps of solos, taking them under brakes and going around the outside of them, dunno about them but I was having lots of fun

Jesus did someone really let solos and chairs out at the same time??? Even on a practice or test day that is far from a good idea.

[jellywrestler]

Jesus did someone really let solos and chairs out at the same time??? Even on a practice or test day that is far from a good idea.

is it? what's the difference between that and a test day without any yellows; fuck all it's up to the people on the track to have it in their minds what's going on.

[Drew]

Jesus did someone really let solos and chairs out at the same time??? Even on a practice or test day that is far from a good idea.
Presents no more danger than any other bike on the track I reckon.

[Kickaha]

Jesus did someone really let solos and chairs out at the same time??? Even on a practice or test day that is far from a good idea.

At open test days we have always gone out with bikes, although if there are heaps of bikes and not many cars then sometimes we go out with the cars.

[jellywrestler]

Presents no more danger than any other bike on the track I reckon.

We'll you've got a lot to learn then. The main issue is that if you're a sidecar racer you'll have a fair idea of how the other sidecars on the track do things, which are quite different to solos, that's part of your trade, and if you a Solo rider; ditto. Whereas if you're only use to Solos and suddenly you're out on the track with Chairs you don't really have that knowledge up your sleeve so there is an inherent risk that people need to be aware of.

there's a similar risk with classic and modern sidecars being on the track at the same time as they can be worlds apart too.

[quickbuck]

We'll you've got a lot to learn then. The main issue is that if you're a sidecar racer you'll have a fair idea of how the other sidecars on the track do things, which are quite different to solos, that's part of your trade, and if you a Solo rider; ditto. Whereas if you're only use to Solos and suddenly you're out on the track with Chairs you don't really have that knowledge up your sleeve so there is an inherent risk that people need to be aware of.

there's a similar risk with classic and modern sidecars being on the track at the same time as they can be worlds apart too.






That actually reinforces Drews point.... Road Riders tend to be as equally unpredictable on the track..... As with bikes from different classes.....



Early braking and road lines tend not to be what racers do....



Also a Superbike wouldn't take a corner the same as a 125Gp, and yet their lap times could be within 15% of each other.....



I guess the lesson is give someone or something you don't know plenty of room on a test day.





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[jellywrestler]

That actually reinforces Drews point.... Road Riders tend to be as equally unpredictable on the track..... As with bikes from different classes.....



Early braking and road lines tend not to be what racers do....



Also a Superbike wouldn't take a corner the same as a 125Gp, and yet their lap times could be within 15% of each other.....



I guess the lesson is give someone or something you don't know plenty of room on a test day.





Sent from my Nokia using Tapa talk. are road riders pit crews allowed to smoke in the pits too?

[quickbuck]

are road riders pit crews allowed to smoke in the pits too?




Only if they already know the rule...... ;)





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[Shaun Harris]

Bikes and chairs on track together I think is fins as both parties know that people can end up lying on the track in an incident to reaction is kinda normal, but not cars and bikes and chairs in my opinion as this is not the norm for the car driver and may just miss some one out there on the track if shit went down

[Danger Dave]

118% at Clerk of Course's discretion.


If it ain't smokin' - it's broken.

I like the rule i've seen used overseas which is 115% of the 3rd place qualfier

[Drew]

I like the rule i've seen used overseas which is 115% of the 3rd place qualfier

Still puts a few people on the road before race start in a few classes here.

[steveyb]

Still puts a few people on the road before race start in a few classes here.

My question is then: So what? You too slow, off you go.

[budda]

My question is then: So what? You too slow, off you go.

Zachary ........ work it out on whatever track you're familiar with, take your own laptime and add 15% to it - that's a long way back isn't it , especially after 8-10 laps.

Before we brought this in, wasn't uncommon to see guys getting lapped after 4 laps in 250 proddy for example. To be fair, the more often they got passed, the more these guys learned, and the faster they ended up riding by the end of the meeting

[Drew]

My question is then: So what? You too slow, off you go.I have no problem with it. Was merely pointing it out. Can't think of a race I've watched recently where 3rd was 3% slower than first, so working on 15% of 3rd means more people go home early.

Bring back bracket racing and be fucken done with it! At least, at club level.

[steveyb]

I have no problem with it. Was merely pointing it out. Can't think of a race I've watched recently where 3rd was 3% slower than first, so working on 15% of 3rd means more people go home early.

Bring back bracket racing and be fucken done with it! At least, at club level.

I think you are right, about National level racing at the moment anyway, there does not seem to be many if any (there must be a song in that) riders in most classes who do not qualify.
With the increases in numbers generally across the board in 2014 anyway, this would on the face of it seem to be a good thing.

Bracket racing? There are of course pro's and con's both ways and it was quite problematic when we had more GP style bikes out among Proddy style bikes. But that is less and less the case nowadays with the exception of 125GP bikes. So, heaven forbid I say this, but perhaps there is a case to revisit this concept.

I personally have raced Bracket classes at two different clubs (Tauranga Club at Baypark in effectively an F3 class with NSR250) and at Manfeild Suzuki Series (Gibbes) (in effectively an F2 class with RS250). In neither case did I feel there was any problem at any time, but maybe that is just 'cos I am super flash??

[quickbuck]

115% of third means 3rd place laps that rider every 6 laps.... I don't think we had a single class that this happened to at Nationals?
Could be wrong.

As for club level, no real excuse at all.... Okay, some Development riders might struggle, but that is why they are there... To learn, or just have some fun.

Personally I thought 115% of leader was the way to go. That way in a 12 lap race the slow riders would only go 1 lap down and not 2.
Of course it is relying on all laps being within a second of each other. IE consistent.

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[budda]

115% of third means 3rd place laps that rider every 6 laps.... I don't think we had a single class that this happened to at Nationals?
Could be wrong.

As for club level, no real excuse at all.... Okay, some Development riders might struggle, but that is why they are there... To learn, or just have some fun.

Personally I thought 115% of leader was the way to go. That way in a 12 lap race the slow riders would only go 1 lap down and not 2.
Of course it is relying on all laps being within a second of each other. IE consistent.

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Riders entering a Nationals Class would all be capable ( barring incidents ) of consistently reeling off laps within a second of the last, surely :rolleyes:

[Drew]

Riders entering a Nationals Class would all be capable ( barring incidents ) of consistently reeling off laps within a second of the last, surely :rolleyes:Everyone except that Shirriff fella.

[quickbuck]

Riders entering a Nationals Class would all be capable ( barring incidents ) of consistently reeling off laps within a second of the last, surely :rolleyes:

I would certainly hope so.....
I would say closer to 1/2 to 1/3 of a second in reality.

[Drew]

I would certainly hope so.....
I would say closer to 1/2 to 1/3 of a second in reality.The podium place winners maybe. Certainly not the majority of the field. Christ, supersport can be all over the place like a mad woman's shit when a group of riders all think they should be leading said group.

[budda]

The podium place winners maybe. Certainly not the majority of the field. Christ, supersport can be all over the place like a mad woman's shit when a group of riders all think they should be leading said group.

"barring incidents"

[scrivy]

"barring incidents"

You mean hard-ons???? :bleh::facepalm:

[MVnut]

Jesus did someone really let solos and chairs out at the same time??? Even on a practice or test day that is far from a good idea.

Nothing new mate, I was out on a 'Superbike' along with Paul Radisich in his racecar at Puke many years ago.....and he was using the chicane:bleh:

[jasonu]

Nothing new mate, I was out on a 'Superbike' along with Paul Radisich in his racecar at Puke many years ago.....and he was using the chicane:bleh:

Terry Eva came off 2nd best in a similar situation at Pukekohe.