NZ Fuel changes - Released 4 Sep

[Right Charlie]

http://www.bp.co.nz/about/Changes%20to%20NZ%20fuel%20spec.htm

[thehollowmen]

heh so they're gonna make it more expensive again?

Does anybody remember adding naphthalene to 87 octane to make racing fuel?
*cough*

[TwoSeven]

I think chch changes in Novermber or thereabouts.

[Sniper]

Possibly. Although I would love to see the price of fuel drop if it is more easily sourced. More likely the govt tax wold increase to match the higher price of the fuel before hand

[bugjuice]

what's the gist? can't be arsed to read

[ManDownUnder]

what's the gist? can't be arsed to read

PR Spin "We're doing you all and the environment a favour"
PR Spin "They're making us do it, we didn't want to"

Reality 91 Octane goes away, 95 and 98 will be available, price probably going up

[bugjuice]

PR Spin "We're doing you all and the environment a favour"
PR Spin "They're making us do it, we didn't want to"

Reality 91 Octane goes away, 95 and 98 will be available, price probably going up
great. :violin:

[tl_tub]

.... Reality 91 Octane goes away, 95 and 98 will be available, price probably going up

I read that 96 comes down to 95, and 91 remains the same, except with lower nasties in it :sherlock:

[ManDownUnder]

I read that 96 comes down to 95, and 91 remains the same, except with lower nasties in it :sherlock:

and the price doesn't go up?

Please tell me that bit was wrong too....

[R6_kid]

WTF! my bike runs good on 91 though, and i dont want to have to pay extra for fuel if im being forced to pay for. The fuckers should sell the new stuff (95 or watever they are calling it) at the same price as 91 was... its not like they are gonne be taking any MASSIVE loss.

I see the benzine thing as a benefit, especially to the environment and people that work around the fuel a lot

But taking something out of fuel shouldnt make it more expensive - or have i missed the point... do they need to put something else in to get the octane up or something like that?

[R6_kid]

I read that 96 comes down to 95, and 91 remains the same, except with lower nasties in it :sherlock:

thats what i hope for... but then doesnt that mean that their new 98 Ultimate would be excessive and outside of the new government regulations? Thats whats confusing me - which one changed to 95? 91 or 96?

[TwoSeven]

ok, whats happening is NZ is coming into line with the rest of the world. It means a wider choice of vehicles. This is good.

91 remains the same.
96 moves to 95
98 is an optional fuel (its not required for anything).
Diesel has most of the sulpher removed and is purified more.

They are upgrading the refinary and building an extension to allow a wider and better range of fuels to be produced.

This paves the way for ethanol to be added to fuel and for bio-diesel to be blended with dino diesel - this has already happened in europe and the US.

When you start moving to blended fuels it makes local demand for ethanol and vegetable oil production, and reduces the volume of dino oil that needs to be purchased. In the long term the price of fuel remains stable for longer (nothing gets cheaper because of inflation).

Once we have blended fuels like the US, it means we can start using the multi-fuel engines that are available.

Blending fuel also means that the price of consumer goods drops because there is more petrolium available for synthetics production.

You get a clear picture if you examine the long term benefits rather than focusing on the short term negatives :).

[F5 Dave]

You get a clear picture if you examine the long term benefits rather than focusing on the short term negatives :).


Like ethanol being crap for throttle response, also absorbs water readily which is neat for vehicles that aren’t used so often esp. 2 strokes.

Once again we are sold a pup.

I don’t remember voting for this. :oi-grr: Oh that’s right it isn’t a democracy.

[Motu]

And the bio diesel is going to use tallow not veggie oil - goose grease in my Pajero?

[James Deuce]

You get a clear picture if you examine the long term benefits rather than focusing on the short term negatives :).

Like having to pay to fix rubber fuel lines and fuel pump seals rotted by ethanol.

The short term negatives I can't afford. Are you going to pay to fix my car when, not if, the new super duper (insert "Lou" smilie here) blended fuels cost me money?

Didn't think so.

I only own one vehicle that isn't going to have a problem with the new fuels, and one that doesn't. Unfortunately the R6 doesn't have the best low rpm throttle response. Thanks for making motorcycling more dangerous by making my low rpm throttle response that little bit worse, O Mighty Government.

I'm heartily sick of the greeny attitude that short term pain is worth it in the long run. It usually isn't. You get short term pain, and then nothing except tax increases, and a reduction in government services despite increased taxation.

[tracyprier]

Here is more info about the coming changes

http://www.consumer.org.nz/newsitem.asp?category=News&docid=2358&topic=Cleaner%20petrol%20and%20diesel%20on%20the%2 0way