Duck lady kills biker & his daughter?

[dinosaur]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/canada/10916470/Canadian-woman-who-stopped-car-to-help-ducks-faces-life-in-jail-after-causing-fatal-crash.html

A Canadian woman who parked her car on a highway to help a group of ducklings on the side of the road has been found guilty of causing the deaths of a motorcyclist and his passenger daughter who slammed into her car.:angry2:
Emma Czornobaj was convicted by a jury on Friday on two counts of criminal negligence causing death, a charge that carries a maximum life sentence, and two counts of dangerous driving causing death, which comes with a maximum of 14 years in jail.
The 25 year-old was charged in the deaths of Andre Roy, 50, and his daughter Jessie, 16.

Czornobaj was released until her pre-sentence hearing on August 8.

What would you suggest as a sentence? :ar15:

[unstuck]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/canada/10916470/Canadian-woman-who-stopped-car-to-help-ducks-faces-life-in-jail-after-causing-fatal-crash.html

A Canadian woman who parked her car on a highway to help a group of ducklings on the side of the road has been found guilty of causing the deaths of a motorcyclist and his passenger daughter who slammed into her car.:angry2:
Emma Czornobaj was convicted by a jury on Friday on two counts of criminal negligence causing death, a charge that carries a maximum life sentence, and two counts of dangerous driving causing death, which comes with a maximum of 14 years in jail.
The 25 year-old was charged in the deaths of Andre Roy, 50, and his daughter Jessie, 16.

Czornobaj was released until her pre-sentence hearing on August 8.

What would you suggest as a sentence? :ar15:

Make her read some of your angry rantings. :2thumbsup

[dinosaur]

Make her read some of your angry rantings. :2thumbsup

Stop following me ....... I'll stop without warning

[Hitcher]

Motorists are allowed to stop without warning. Motorcyclists are supposed to be able to control the road in front of them. Colliding with the vehicle in front is generally regarded as the fault of the following vehicle.

Unless there is more involved with this case than has been reported, then the Duck Lady should go free.

[The Pastor]

Tough case. on one hand there is no intent to cause injury / death.

on the other hand stupidity killed a guy.

[unstuck]

Tough case. on one hand there is no intent to cause injury / death.

on the other hand stupidity killed a guy.

Stupidity kills people the world over every day. Without fail 24/7.:msn-wink:

[unstuck]

Stop following me ....... I'll stop without warning

Stop posting then.:bleh:

[The Pastor]

Motorists are allowed to stop without warning. Motorcyclists are supposed to be able to control the road in front of them. Colliding with the vehicle in front is generally regarded as the fault of the following vehicle.

Unless there is more involved with this case than has been reported, then the Duck Lady should go free.

would if make a difference if the hazards are on? it can be VERY hard to judge car speed in a motorway situation - how many nose to tails are there in the commute traffic which is less than 80k? - heaps. I've come across parked cars on the motorway (in the lane not the shoulder!) before and it always is a "oh shit" moment.

[unstuck]

would if make a difference if the hazards are on? it can be VERY hard to judge car speed in a motorway situation - how many nose to tails are there in the commute traffic which is less than 80k? - heaps. I've come across parked cars on the motorway (in the lane not the shoulder!) before and it always is a "oh shit" moment.

I had an Indian taxi driver stop in front of me on the Mangere bridge to fix his sign up, and I was in a truck with a full load and managed to stop in time, was almost touching his bumper but I stopped. Awareness or skill or good luck, still not sure.:confused:

[Erelyes]

Emma Czornobaj was convicted by a jury on Friday on two counts of criminal negligence causing death, a charge that carries a maximum life sentence, and two counts of dangerous driving causing death, which comes with a maximum of 14 years in jail.

From the article it looks like good intentions, mixed with a lack of common sense, and ignorance of the road code. Sad for all involved, really.

[breakaway]

Motorists are allowed to stop without warning. Motorcyclists are supposed to be able to control the road in front of them. Colliding with the vehicle in front is generally regarded as the fault of the following vehicle.

Unless there is more involved with this case than has been reported, then the Duck Lady should go free.

It is also illegal to stop on the highway without a really good reason. Orphaned ducks on the roadside do not count unfortunately.

[BoristheBiter]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/canada/10916470/Canadian-woman-who-stopped-car-to-help-ducks-faces-life-in-jail-after-causing-fatal-crash.html

A Canadian woman who parked her car on a highway to help a group of ducklings on the side of the road has been found guilty of causing the deaths of a motorcyclist and his passenger daughter who slammed into her car.:angry2:
Emma Czornobaj was convicted by a jury on Friday on two counts of criminal negligence causing death, a charge that carries a maximum life sentence, and two counts of dangerous driving causing death, which comes with a maximum of 14 years in jail.
The 25 year-old was charged in the deaths of Andre Roy, 50, and his daughter Jessie, 16.

Czornobaj was released until her pre-sentence hearing on August 8.

What would you suggest as a sentence? :ar15:

What if she had just broken down?
Would the biker get the blame then?

[Tigadee]

It's a sad case. Lives were lost from what was good intention but bad judgement.

What was said is true, it was not worth it for all involved...


I had an Indian taxi driver stop in front of me on the Mangere bridge to fix his sign up,...

:shit: In the middle of the road?!

[breakaway]

What if she had just broken down?
Would the biker get the blame then?

:facepalm: All cirumstances are considered before charging the perpetrator. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

[unstuck]

:shit: In the middle of the road?!

Yep, And standing up in the back seat looking at me was a little tot about 3 or 4, in between 2 big island lasses. I moved away from auckland a month later. You can keep you traffic and pollution.:niceone:

[BoristheBiter]

:facepalm: All cirumstances are considered before charging the perpetrator. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Nope, just making a point but the KB internet kangaroo court has already started.

[Erelyes]

What if she had just broken down?
Would the biker get the blame then?

And is this hypothetical 'breakdown' like most, i.e. the result of ignoring vehicle maintenance for umpteen thousand km, or perhaps running out of petrol?

[sil3nt]

What if she had just broken down?
Would the biker get the blame then?How often does a car break down in such a way that you can't get to the shoulder?

[ellipsis]

or perhaps running out of petrol?


....four hundred dollar fine....

[Banditbandit]

What would you suggest as a sentence? :ar15:

She is reincarnated as a biker?

[TheDemonLord]

This is a toughy,

On the one hand - we could say that the motorcyclist was not maintaining correct following distances or paying attention and that the sentance is very harsh.

on the other - who actively looks at what other vehicles are doing? instead most of us would be looking ahead to anticipate a hazard - having someone randomly slam on the breaks for no observable reason would probably make most of us impact - because we would not have see anything that would cause someone to initiate an emergency stop

[unstuck]

This is a toughy,

On the one hand - we could say that the motorcyclist was not maintaining correct following distances or paying attention and that the sentance is very harsh.

on the other - who actively looks at what other vehicles are doing? instead most of us would be looking ahead to anticipate a hazard - having someone randomly slam on the breaks for no observable reason would probably make most of us impact - because we would not have see anything that would cause someone to initiate an emergency stop

Remind me never to ride with you.:msn-wink:

[TheDemonLord]

Remind me never to ride with you.:msn-wink:

You wouldn't be able to handle the ManOwaR playing when I ride....

[unstuck]

You wouldn't be able to handle the ManOwaR playing when I ride....

POOF.:yes:

[Tazz]

Motorists are allowed to stop without warning. Motorcyclists are supposed to be able to control the road in front of them. Colliding with the vehicle in front is generally regarded as the fault of the following vehicle.

Unless there is more involved with this case than has been reported, then the Duck Lady should go free.

Looks like a 'big' highway and she stopped in the fast lane. They have higher speed limits on some of those roads no? Laws are probably different for stopping there too (like how you get fined for holding up traffic on bridges here).

Not really different from people who go to jail for accidentally shooting someone in my mind, it's just complete absence of common sense is more accepted on the road for whatever reason.

Extreme sentence and sucks it was because she was trying to do a nice thing, however two people are dead through a tragically stupid decision so a kinda stupid judgement is just carrying on the trend, but I understand where they were coming from with it.

[imdying]

Yeah, I love metal, but Manowar is pretty fucking gay.

[pzkpfw]

It's difficult.

The newspaper (DomPost) reported the bike was doing something like 120 in a 90 zone. (Dunno how that was determined, I'm just reporting what was reported).

So the guy seems to have contributed to his own death (and his pillion). His Wife was slower, and didn't crash.

And yes, the obstruction could have been for any number of other reasons - fallen tree, breakdown ... We all need to be prepared for the unexpected.

However, in this case, stopping on the road was not required, and was a deliberate action that created a specific danger that didn't need to exist.

(I teach my Family: run over the Animal. Your safety before the safety of the dog/cat/duck ...)


So, she needs to be punished, but some knee-jerk "throw away the key" reaction is not warranted.



(Was she stopped around some blind corner? Or did she jam the brakes on in front of people?)

[awayatc]

In ENZED it would have been reported slightly different..
speeding bikers killed while trying to run over protected native ducks .
Speed was a factor, and the bikers were also not wearing hi-viz.
Police super pretender blah blah said police would strictly enforce speedlimit, zero tolerance and no excuse.
ACC levies for motorcyclist would also have to increase further to cover the cost.
when will we get the message.?

[pzkpfw]

Just to add detail to my previous post:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/emma-czornobaj-guilty-in-2-highway-deaths-after-stopping-for-ducks-1.2682200


...
Pauline Volikakis, the wife and mother of the two victims, was in court to hear the verdict.

She was following her family on her own motorcycle when the collision occurred. She was driving more slowly and managed to avoid injury.

...

A provincial police officer testified at the trial that Roy, whose speed was estimated to be from 113 km/h to 129 km/h when he applied his brakes, collided with Czornobaj's car at between 105 km/h and 121 km/h.

The jury was told the speed was higher than the prescribed 90 km/h limit on the road.

...

Not "blaming" the rider, but I do think there's a lesson in there for some of us (me too), and it does indicate a need for balance.

[BoristheBiter]

And is this hypothetical 'breakdown' like most, i.e. the result of ignoring vehicle maintenance for umpteen thousand km, or perhaps running out of petrol?

doesn't even matter. the car is stopped.


How often does a car break down in such a way that you can't get to the shoulder?

Every day on the motorway.

A car has stopped some will miss it some will hit it.
Getting sent to jail because someones not paying attention just seems a bit harsh.

[Big Dog]

doesn't even matter. the car is stopped.



Every day on the motorway.

A car has stopped some will miss it some will hit it.
Getting sent to jail because someones not paying attention just seems a bit harsh.

I ride in on the southernmost days.
Very few days there is not a stationary vehicles somewhere. That is not counting 50, otherwise it would be no days.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[TheDemonLord]

Yeah, I love metal, but Manowar is pretty fucking gay.

I think you mean "ManOwaR is far too Glorious and Epic for Me, so I shall just hide my insecurities by calling them Gay'

;)

[willytheekid]

Just to add detail to my previous post:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/emma-czornobaj-guilty-in-2-highway-deaths-after-stopping-for-ducks-1.2682200



Not "blaming" the rider, but I do think there's a lesson in there for some of us (me too), and it does indicate a need for balance.

+1

Horrible accident!...poor lady having to watch her daughter & husband die infront of her...but speed does seem to be a factor...simply put, she wasn't speeding and managed to dodge the car....he was possibly speeding...and did not:no:

...a Silly place to stop a car granted...but we as riders, must expect the unexpected, and we must ride with a margin of safety to survive other people's "mistakes"...failure to do so...usually results in another rider down thread...and another heart broken family

...such a sad read tho

Ride safe KBers:love:

[Dobbin]

How often does a car break down in such a way that you can't get to the shoulder?

A couple of months ago, on a group ride, a Ducati in front of me came to a very sudden stop in the middle of the road. His front brake had jammed on. It took several people to drag the bike off the road. The rider had done his own maintenance on the front brake and apparently not got it quite right.

This sort of thing can't be common, but it does happen.

[unstuck]

I think you mean "ManOwaR is far too Glorious and Epic for Me, so I shall just hide my insecurities by calling them Gay'

;)

No, I think he meant POOF. :niceone:

[SPman]

Tough case. on one hand there is no intent to cause injury / death.

on the other hand stupidity killed a guy.Who hit the car "in excess of 100kph".
Two questions -
where was the car stopped?
what was the rider doing, traffic observational wise...?

[The Pastor]

Who hit the car "in excess of 100kph".
Two questions -
where was the car stopped?
what was the rider doing, traffic observational wise...?

Well it must of been stopped mid lane other wise the bike could of avoided it.

often these accidents happen when you check your blind spot, look over ur shoulder then look back to normal to realize the car in front has emergency stopped :(

[MD]

On first hearing this story I felt sorry for the car driver, she had no ill will and only wanted to do a good deed.
Then I read the Dompost version today which stated she stopped her car in the FAST lane, got out and started herding the ducklings off the motorway. Why the hell didn't she pull over to the shoulder at the very least! Like anyone with half a brain would do.
So I blame her. But...

The flip side is she was out walking around herding BEFORE the rider hit her car. Which means she never did a sudden panic brake that caught the following traffic by surprise. If her car was stationary for a period of time, then no excuses for the rider not to have seen it in ample time to slow or change lanes. Also I'm no saint when it comes to speeding on my bike but NEVER with a pillion, let alone your own child!

So I blame the rider

Final analysis, I blame the mother duck for poor parenting. Probably at bingo.

In the end the punishment should reflect the level of criminal intent or the persons knowledge of how their actions would cause harm - she was dumb not to think leaving a car in the fast lane was safe. But she had no intent to do harm. Compare that to drunken bums screaming around in boy racer cars in populated suburbs slapped with a wet bus ticket. Pleased I'm not the judge tormented by this case.

[Kickaha]

A lady was killed in Christchurch several years ago when her car was rear ended by a truck after she stopped to alow some ducks to cross the road, truck driver was checking his mirror to merge when he hit her, he was prosecuted for it

Shows how dangerous those Ducks are, it could be a global conspiracy

[unstuck]

A lady was killed in Christchurch several years ago when her car was rear ended by a truck after she stopped to alow some ducks to cross the road, truck driver was checking his mirror to merge when he hit her, he was prosecuted for it

Shows how dangerous those Ducks are, it could be a global conspiracy

Payback for the senseless slaughter of their numbers every year.:msn-wink:

[merv]

Maybe Canada's road laws are a bit different than ours but seems to me the biker was in the wrong.

[Mom]

Stop following me ....... I'll stop without warning


Stop posting then.:bleh:

We run a special for feuding KB members. Twice the usual room rate plus a "Mom" talking to thrown in for free :love:

Bikers should have been able to stop, that is the law. Driver should not have stopped.

No one should have died here, bad skills all round.

[unstuck]

We run a special for feuding KB members. Twice the usual room rate plus a "Mom" talking to thrown in for free :love:

Bikers should have been able to stop, that is the law. Driver should not have stopped.

No one should have died here, bad skills all round.

No thanks mom, I may like it.:eek:

I agree, poor skills and poor decision making all round.:niceone:

[BigAl]

How often does a car break down in such a way that you can't get to the shoulder?

Happens even in Enz

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11281825&ref=rss

[unstuck]

Happens even in Enz



That man deserves a DB.:headbang::headbang:

[veldthui]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/canada/10916470/Canadian-woman-who-stopped-car-to-help-ducks-faces-life-in-jail-after-causing-fatal-crash.html

A Canadian woman who parked her car on a highway to help a group of ducklings on the side of the road has been found guilty of causing the deaths of a motorcyclist and his passenger daughter who slammed into her car.:angry2:
Emma Czornobaj was convicted by a jury on Friday on two counts of criminal negligence causing death, a charge that carries a maximum life sentence, and two counts of dangerous driving causing death, which comes with a maximum of 14 years in jail.
The 25 year-old was charged in the deaths of Andre Roy, 50, and his daughter Jessie, 16.

Czornobaj was released until her pre-sentence hearing on August 8.

What would you suggest as a sentence? :ar15:

Nothing. Cars and trucks break down all the time. If you can't see a stopped vehicle on the road ahead of you and that you are closing at a great rate of knots then you should not be on the road in the first place. If it was on a blind corner then that would be different and she should be charged. Also remember he was speeding and his wife who was doing the speed limit managed to avoid the vehicle.

[MarkH]

Nothing. Cars and trucks break down all the time. If you can't see a stopped vehicle on the road ahead of you and that you are closing at a great rate of knots then you should not be on the road in the first place.

You are woefully mistaken in your assumption that if the rider was to blame that the car driver wasn't.
This is a case where both parties were in the wrong.
This woman has been found guilty by a jury (unanimous verdict) because she broke the law and stopped without sufficient cause where it is prohibited.
Her actions were a contributing factor in the death of 2 people, she is guilty and will be punished.

It seems to me that 3 out of 4 people cannot grasp the concept of more than one party being in the wrong.
Whose fault was it - both of theirs!
For gods sake people, stop acting like it is a binary decision of fault, it is often not as simple as person A at fault OR person B at fault - sometimes both person A and person B make mistakes and each contribute to the circumstances that lead to the accident.

[veldthui]

You are woefully mistaken in your assumption that if the rider was to blame that the car driver wasn't.
This is a case where both parties were in the wrong.
This woman has been found guilty by a jury (unanimous verdict) because she broke the law and stopped without sufficient cause where it is prohibited.
Her actions were a contributing factor in the death of 2 people, she is guilty and will be punished.

It seems to me that 3 out of 4 people cannot grasp the concept of more than one party being in the wrong.
Whose fault was it - both of theirs!
For gods sake people, stop acting like it is a binary decision of fault, it is often not as simple as person A at fault OR person B at fault - sometimes both person A and person B make mistakes and each contribute to the circumstances that lead to the accident.

Right so if her car broke down and stopped there then it would have been the bikers fault because she leggaly stopped in the place. Again when you crash into the arse of someone then it is mostly your fault.

[scracha]

We run a special for feuding KB members. Twice the usual room rate plus a "Mom" talking to thrown in for free :love:

Bikers should have been able to stop, that is the law. Driver should not have stopped.



Both parties at fault. Suspect the biker would have also been charged for speeding and careless driving had he lived. Stopped car in overtaking lane with driver's door left open also at fault. She showed a complete disregard for anyone else's safety. Rider probably didn't realise it was in the passing lane until the last few moments. Suspect the guy's wife or the next following car would have been in the same boat if they'd got to the scene first. By all accounts, Canadians regularly break the speed limit in many provinces.

We'll see what her actual sentence is but hopefully it's a nice balance between 14 years maximum and the slap on the wrist that killers on NZ roads receive.

[awayatc]

Right so if her car broke down and stopped there then it would have been the bikers fault because she leggaly stopped in the place. Again when you crash into the arse of someone then it is mostly your fault.


Maybe go to Canada and explain how wrong they are ?
I am sure they love to hear from you.

also please don't show up for jury duties if your name comes up..

[avgas]

hahahahahahhahahahahahahhaha

What kinda stupid idiot crashes into a parked car? :killingme

[BigAl]

hahahahahahhahahahahahahhaha

What kinda stupid idiot crashes into a parked car? :killingme

A dead one

[Erelyes]

hahahahahahhahahahahahahhaha

What kinda stupid idiot crashes into a parked car? :killingme

Parked? I'd argue that it was stopped, parking implies putting it somewhere any sensible and reasonable person would

[Big Dog]

The vision I get trying to picture the scene is biker comes along the motorway, sees a stopped car starts to manoeuvre around them thinking there is plenty of room. Suddenly sees a lady chasing ducks on the remaining open space, freezes up and used all the remaining ground trying to work out an exit strategy. Combination of not wanting to mow down a human and target fixation make this the last act he ever perpetrates.

I'd like to think I'd get on the horn, and aim for the space occupied by the human as I braked desperately hoping for a opening to present for me to accelerate through or to scrub off enough speed I can stop safely, or al least with a minimum amount of damage to all concerned. Once locked into a trajectory a human is much easier to miss. They take up less of the lane.

Personally. I'd rather kill a pedestrian who was being foolish than my daughter.

In reality I won't know unless I ever face the scenario.
RIP rider and daughter. I hope the driver gets worse than a wet bus ticket, but I also hope she does not get 14 years for trying to do an act of kindness. However poorly constructed the act.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[haydes55]

"But the wife following behind wasn't speeding and avoided the accident"

How did she keep up if he was speeding and she wasn't?

What I think might have happened was bike was going 120ish, gaining on a car ahead, biker catches car, car see's stopped car and pulls into the slow lane, biker thinks he gets to overtake, then as soon as the car is out of his lane he sees the stopped car only meters ahead. From the point the car ahead pulls over, both the front bike and the wife behind would see the stopped car and start braking, being further back, the wife had more room to stop.

I reckon the lady shouldn't be jailed, but her stupidity does deserve some punishment. Home detention/community service type stuff.

[caspernz]

Dumb and dumber meet by accident, that's all there's to it. Shame biker and daughter died, a smidge less hurry and a bit more attention would have helped in this case.

Give the woman six months picking up road kill for a pet food factory, that should cure her of those woolly well intended road kill prevention tendencies.

[GrayWolf]

You wouldn't be able to handle the ManOwaR playing when I ride....

Man O Wimp? The only 'true' purveyors of 'metal'??? OMG I didnt think ANYONE listened to them.......... You truly are a 'sick puppy' :bleh::bleh::bleh:

[TheDemonLord]

Man O Wimp? The only 'true' purveyors of 'metal'??? OMG I didnt think ANYONE listened to them.......... You truly are a 'sick puppy' :bleh::bleh::bleh:

Anymore of that Slander and I will pull out my Loin Cloth and start singing Hail and Kill very loudly (and off Key, as I am no Eric Adams)

[unstuck]

Man O Wimp? The only 'true' purveyors of 'metal'??? OMG I didnt think ANYONE listened to them.......... You truly are a 'sick puppy' :bleh::bleh::bleh:

:killingme:killingme:killingme:shutup:

[Taxythingy]

Suspect the biker ought to be charged for speeding and careless driving causing death (x2).

But that's moot, since he died.

I'll go with a lightish sentence and loss of licence. 6-12 months home detention?

[GrayWolf]

Anymore of that Slander and I will pull out my Loin Cloth and start singing Hail and Kill very loudly (and off Key, as I am no Eric Adams)

Case proven, M'laud

http://tinyurl.com/lltyp2f

[Taxythingy]

Years ago, my dad caused a similar duck-induced accident.

Saw some ducks crossing the road blimmin miles up the road. He was being followed by his dad in another car. Mum had time to ask politely if he was going to stop. Then reiterated that his dad's reaction times might not be particularly quick. Then told him to stop. Then he stopped in a hurry about 5 yards short. Blam. :facepalm: No injuries fortunately.

[TheDemonLord]

Case proven, M'laud

http://tinyurl.com/lltyp2f

I can't hear your Peasentry over the Glorious Sound of ManOwaR

(yes I am now listening to that Youtube playlist at work - and it is glorious)

[Erelyes]

Man O Wimp? The only 'true' purveyors of 'metal'??? OMG I didnt think ANYONE listened to them.......... You truly are a 'sick puppy' :bleh::bleh::bleh:

I was in the middle of typing 'ManOWar' into Google to find out what they are but Google interrupted me and told me it was disappointed in me.

[TheDemonLord]

I was in the middle of typing 'ManOWar' into Google to find out what they are but Google interrupted me and told me it was disappointed in me.

Indeed, Google is Disapointed that you had to Google ManOwaR in order to know the Majesty and Epicness of ManOwaR

on a side note - Hijack success!

[Tazz]

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[Yow Ling]

Lots of people help ducks cross the road


http://youtu.be/gGbP8iVJO_U

[Coldrider]

and never kill the 'golden goose'

[unstuck]

Case closed Demonlady is Homosexual.


298405:whistle:

[TheDemonLord]

Case closed Demonlady is Homosexual.
:whistle:

Unstuck cannot comprehend the sheer manliness and metalness of ManOwaR.

[GrayWolf]

I was in the middle of typing 'ManOWar' into Google to find out what they are but Google interrupted me and told me it was disappointed in me.

YUP they even self proclaim to be 'true metal' ??? Wonder if the lead guitarist's name is Gaylord??? :laugh::laugh:

http://tinyurl.com/mtotksq


And nuff said, Demon....... rides a Nonda :girlfight::cry:

[Daffyd]

Final analysis, I blame the mother duck for poor parenting. Probably at bingo.

And on a benefit.

[awayatc]

Ducking her responsibilities....
But her offspring were real eggs...

[avgas]

Parked? I'd argue that it was stopped, parking implies putting it somewhere any sensible and reasonable person would
Nup. Parked means "Parking Brake" was on or parking gear was engaged. Nothing more. Hence the names.

Otherwise you would call it the "permanently stopped brake" or "Non-Motion gear".

But the really funny part is that he crashed into it. Regardless of it was a car. It could have been Moose, Bear, Cinder-blocks, Deer, Tree, Person, House....... and some of those move.
Gene-o-clean.

[TheDemonLord]

And nuff said, Demon....... rides a Nonda :girlfight::cry:

Not anymore - Demon Rides something else (but hasn't updated KB yet)

[Big Dog]

Not anymore - Demon Rides something else (but hasn't updated KB yet)

Are you that ashamed?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[TheDemonLord]

Are you that ashamed?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Nope, just doing things my way ;)

[Tazz]

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[Big Dog]

Nope, just doing things my way ;)

ROFL. I don't think I have ever updated my ride straight away. Been 5 changes in 11 years.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[imdying]

I think you mean "ManOwaR is far too Glorious and Epic for Me, so I shall just hide my insecurities by calling them Gay'

;)Nah, they are definitely gayer than a handbag full of rainbows.