1098s Vs F4 Vs S1000RR [Archive]

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smithmZXR

30th June 2014, 19:06

Hi All,

I am looking to purchase one of the following bikes: 1098s biposto, F4 1+1 (08 model or newer) or a S1000RR. I am just wondering what peoples thoughts are from experience with these bikes. Any information regarding reliability (price for servicing / parts), handling, power, resale value (after the bike hits over 40,000ks). Any help/information is greatly appreciated, I have done some research and I am leaning towards the S1000RR with the F4 at a close second. I have owned Ducati's before, but not BMW's or Augusta's.

Cheers

Mike

Marmoot

30th June 2014, 20:54

Why 1199 not in the list?
It is so much better than 1x98.
If you like Ducatis, you should give it a try.
Otherwise, S1000RR seems a better deal.

MVnut

30th June 2014, 20:59

Get the Beemer mate. The MV is my favourite but the S1000RR has lots of tech goodies. The 1098 is better than the 1199, assuming you're not talking Superleggera

skippa1

30th June 2014, 21:00

Akzle

30th June 2014, 21:26

weeeeellll.
Bmw.
And i dont even like them.

Marmoot

30th June 2014, 22:10

The 1098 is better than the 1199

For the road.

Well, actually not...

Just for in traffic, pillioning, and if you like non-reliability and losing traction every now and then.
And to save some money. 1098 is definitely cheaper.

MVnut

30th June 2014, 22:24

For the road.

Well, actually not...

Just for in traffic, pillioning, and if you like non-reliability and losing traction every now and then.
And to save some money. 1098 is definitely cheaper.

So you've got both too huh?

Marmoot

30th June 2014, 23:13

Close. 848, then 1199.
Even 848 lost out in handling and traction.
And 848 was supposedly easier to ride than 1098.

Urano

1st July 2014, 05:23

the fact that you're askin' for 1+1 bikes suggests me that you think to take someone on the back.
on these bikes.
i really hope the one you plan to take is very, deeply, strongly, indisputably in love with you. :D :D :D :D

that said:
i don't like ducatis.
the L engine cooks your balls and make the bike something like a torpedo: too long, too low...
i don't like so much twin either, so...

F4.
i strongly suggest you to go for a newer model (after 2010). the old one, though being a beauty and an exceptional bike, is remarkably "old-fashioned" on the ride side: it's rock solid, but needs you to be physical and resolute. not an easy bike at all...
with the new the situation got better, but when i had to decide i went for the 800 triple: it's like a 90s' 125cc, just with ∞ power... :D :D

s1000r
never tried. seems very very good and pretty easy.

can i suggest you to consider aprilia rsv4 too? ;)

Drew

1st July 2014, 06:45

1199 at least has a decent clutch.

That's all, I haven't ridden any of them.

Devil

1st July 2014, 09:27

1198 is pretty friendly vs 1098. Better on gas too. Good on servicing.

Haven't heard great things about MV reliability on the F4's (depending on age).

I'd go BMW for outright reliability, but I do have a soft spot for the 1198 and I don't even really like sports bikes (he says with an RSV in the garage).

Voltaire

1st July 2014, 11:19

Just wondering are these bikes a bit boring to ride on the road with so much power and only 100 kmph?

Gremlin

1st July 2014, 11:20

Just wondering are these bikes a bit boring to ride on the road with so much power and only 100 kmph?
And then, when you're not even at redline... you change into second.

Marmoot

1st July 2014, 18:25

Just wondering are these bikes a bit boring to ride on the road with so much power and only 100 kmph?

Not at all.
Wait.... Which road?

ducatilover

1st July 2014, 21:59

Just wondering are these bikes a bit boring to ride on the road with so much power and only 100 kmph?

My GN250 did more than the speed limit, so I am now looking at a Yamaha Jog.

Voltaire

1st July 2014, 22:16

My GN250 did more than the speed limit, so I am now looking at a Yamaha Jog.

If your into power machines check out my classic ' Pit Bike' . A 1950's Triumph Sport powered by a " Dongo"

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/rednzep/IMAG1509_zps388a1fdf.jpg (http://s129.photobucket.com/user/rednzep/media/IMAG1509_zps388a1fdf.jpg.html)

Possibly the most gutless thing I have ever ridden :laugh:

ducatilover

1st July 2014, 22:25

Looks a bit extreme for me :bleh:

AllanB

1st July 2014, 22:30

My GN250 did more than the speed limit, so I am now looking at a Yamaha Jog.

YOU CAN"T HANDLE THE JOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yell it in your best Jack Nicholson

smithmZXR

2nd July 2014, 19:46

Hi, thanks for the information guys. Will have a good re-read later. I know of a s1k for sale that was written off by insurance due to being in a basement fresh water flood. Turners sold it and now the guy is selling it on. It has done 7000ks since and had latest check up from BMW dealer and seems to be fine... Thoughts? I'm really unsure what to do here...

A gamble?

Marmoot

2nd July 2014, 20:23

It is a gamble. If you can afford the worst case scenario, you may end up getting a good deal.
Intermitent electronics issue may happen, which can be solved by replacing ecu, wiring loom, etc, which may cost a lot

Gremlin

2nd July 2014, 22:30

It is a gamble. If you can afford the worst case scenario, you may end up getting a good deal.
Intermitent electronics issue may happen, which can be solved by replacing ecu and wiring loom.
There's a heap more electronics than that in the BMW, and all have lots of zeros in the price. Corrosion and suchlike makes the bike a real unknown long term.

Marmoot

2nd July 2014, 22:34

Yup, thanks. It can vary from costing nothing (you're lucky) to costing a lot, that's what I meant. I've edited my post to clarify.
Just didn't want to list all the components here.

Urano

2nd July 2014, 22:51

water flood

:shit:

avoid.

especially if it's not your fifth bike in garage and you're looking for something to run down a mountain...

Brett

2nd July 2014, 23:05

S1000rr is one hell of a bike. My vote goes to that or 1199.

roogazza

3rd July 2014, 09:22

S1000rr is one hell of a bike. My vote goes to that or 1199.
I was surprised just this morning chatting with a mate that works for a BMW dealer (we'll just say top half of Australia somewhere).
Recalls and problems has reduced his opinion of the product. Even the s1000r isn't without problems,from big end bolts to switch blocks which apparently cost 400 bucks ! I bike has has had 6 sets !!!
Don't know what I'd pick out of the 3 , maybe the BM before this .
I find it hard to find anything that much better than my old K6 Suz.

reggie1198

8th July 2014, 19:42

I could possibly let you buy my 1198S (the pillion seat clicks in as required and has never been used)
The 1198 has a ton of low end grunt as opposed the 1199's grunt coming higher in the rev range.
Wouldn't call it that economical on fuel but the smiles per miles is currently averaging 400 smiles per km, which is pretty good. Oh and it's fucking sexy, to quote Willy from the Simpsons
"If it weren't against gods law I'd make it me wife"

EJK

8th July 2014, 22:33

Anyone owns a S1000RR here? What's it like from owner's perspective?

R1madness

17th September 2014, 22:11

Firstly, i have been lucky enough to ride all the bikes on your list for an extended period of time (about 1000km on each).
Each bike has its own quirks.

Firstly the MV, the suspension is a bit harsh but you can adjust it enough to make it ok to live with. The fuel injection is super sensative and a gental hand at low speed is required. But its exciting and fun.

The Ducati 1098, if you buy a USA early model you will need to replace the conrod bolts, they break and destroy the cases. Jap imports and NZ new dont (seem to) have this problem. They also steer a bit funny at high lean angles. A change of triple clamps reduces this effect. They sound fantastic, go great and look horn

The BMW, who would have thought the Germans could build a bike that is as good as this? Early S1000RR also benifited from a triple clamp change. Some have suffered from switch block failure but apparently they have all had that resolved. . They go hard and the engine management system is 2nd to none.

With all that said i would choose the MV. I loved the motor (im an inline 4 guy) and the styling was exactly to my tastes. However any of them would make a fantastic bike. Ride them all for as long as you can before you decide, after all they are all fantastic and it will come down to which one suits your personality the best.

Happy test riding