2000 more teachers

[Shaun Harris]

Is that enough to make you vote for labour?

Winston peters looks after the oldies to get there vote so based on him looking out for them/himself, I am seriously consider casting my vote his way BUT BUT BUT Then Labour come out with the 2000+ more teachers for the kids, decisions decisions

[mulletman]

More teachers and teacher aides has to be a good thing , im not keen on the idea of letting teachers/princepals out of class to tell other teachers how to suck eggs.

[Shaun Harris]

Politics being just that, there is NOT one good party out there really. so do I vote for the past ie the past tax payers and our lifes supporters, or do I vote for the future youth.

[neels]

It's got to be a better plan than the Nat's idea of more managers telling less staff how they should be working more efficiently, even if that is the currently fashionable management philosophy.

[Shaun Harris]

It's got to be a better plan than the Nat's idea of more managers telling less staff how they should be working more efficiently, even if that is the currently fashionable management philosophy.



exactually. Look at how much Money Fontera manage each year with a base level of skilled staff.

[Banditbandit]

Is that enough to make you vote for labour?

Winston peters looks after the oldies to get there vote so based on him looking out for them/himself, I am seriously consider casting my vote his way BUT BUT BUT Then Labour come out with the 2000+ more teachers for the kids, decisions decisions

Ask Drew - I'm sure that you will do the opposite of what he tells you.

[Shaun Harris]

Ask Drew - I'm sure that you will do the opposite of what he tells you.





haha we all know he will pipe up soon, he loves me really and stalkes me on here







Ps, just cause he loves me it does not stop me from thinking he still is a wanker though

[Gremlin]

Proven to now say anything to anyone to get another vote.

I wasn't exactly trusting before, but I wasn't laughing at every proposal. I am now.

Everytime anyone asks about their numbers, if they have any, they don't stack up. Bunch of bullshit...

[BoristheBiter]

Proven to now say anything to anyone to get another vote.

I wasn't exactly trusting before, but I wasn't laughing at every proposal. I am now.

Every time anyone asks about their numbers, if they have any, they don't stack up. Bunch of bullshit...

The three stooges all looked dumbfounded when asked what the numbers were, no one knew.:killingme
guess they all thought someone else had done them.

Again Labour opens their mouth to stick their foot in. (they have done it so often it should be feet)

[Akzle]

can i vote to have all politicians executed?
Until then, not fuken worth voting.

[Tazz]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503438&objectid=11289628&ref=rss


At its election year Congress at the weekend, Labour announced education policies costing $850 million over four years, including reduced class sizes, hiring 2000 more teachers, increasing teacher quality, restricting school donations and funding digital devices.

This all seems well thought out and realistic.


:tugger:

[Murray]

And whose funding it and how???

Oh don't forget the beneficery's will be in line for increases as well!!!

Oh well I wont be able to afford bike registration now after all!!

[Ulsterkiwi]

The three stooges all looked dumbfounded when asked what the numbers were, no one knew.:killingme
guess they all thought someone else had done them.

it seems really stupid that they did not have those bits of information to hand. This announcement was made at a time of their own choosing, they knew and WANTED the press to be there to publicise it. It is Journalism101 to ask of a new policy how it will be paid for, how did they not anticipate that question coming and be prepared for it? Amateurs.:no:

[trustme]

Within limits class size does not matter, the calibre of the teacher sure as hell does . We can probably all remember the teacher who was an inept waste of space , can any of us remember a class size that prevented us from learning if we wanted to .

[98tls]

More teachers:laugh:might be a good idea to work out how to pay the ones they have before they fuck off eh,mind you its only been a few years:niceone:

[Shaun Harris]

The other real problem with Labours thing is, where the fuk are they going to be able to find 2000 teachers that can speak English?


Yea more forign shit here

[Oscar]

More teachers:laugh:might be a good idea to work out how to pay the ones they have before they fuck off eh,mind you its only been a few years:niceone:

Yup.
They need to look at the working conditions and the pay of the ones they've got before employing new ones.

[buggerit]

More teachers and teacher aides has to be a good thing , im not keen on the idea of letting teachers/princepals out of class to tell other teachers how to suck eggs.

Already happens, nothing new.

[Murray]

hang on I will go and ask some teacher's what they think!!!

Oh bugger its one of those 12 weeks a year school holidays

[imdying]

No, I don't think I will. I don't feel like helping pay for another 2000 teachers. Where 2000 teachers of a quality worth paying for are going to come from is another question.

[Swoop]

Is that enough to make you vote for labour?
Don't be fucking stupid. The un-ending crap that bunch of retarded fuckwits are coming up with, is insulting to any intelligent person.

The other real problem with Labours thing is, where the fuk are they going to be able to find 2000 teachers that can speak English?
The problem is that there was a massive "become a teacher" campaign a short while ago. My next-door neighbour is one of them and because so many took up the discounted study option, there is now a glut of teachers looking for jobs!
The problem is how many bullshit artist's are now, unwittingly, throwing their $$$'s into liarbour's election campaign?

[Grubber]

Sister is a deputy Principle at a Chch school.
She reckons pay the good teachers more, as they are able to teach a class of 36 just as well as one of 25.
They tend to be able to keep control of pupils via enthusiastic methods.
Smaller classes don't make the difference but good teachers do.
This is 3rd party, i have no idea myself but it sounds reasonable to me.

[mashman]

And whose funding it and how???

Oh don't forget the beneficery's will be in line for increases as well!!!

Oh well I wont be able to afford bike registration now after all!!

Probably build 1 less road of significance... that and NZ's deficit seems to be coming down by the billions so we should be sweet. I'd rather more teachers than the teacher elite, as mentioned elsewhere, teaching teachers how to suck eggs.

Bout fuckin time the bene's got a wage rise.

You could not pay it.

[mashman]

Within limits class size does not matter, the calibre of the teacher sure as hell does . We can probably all remember the teacher who was an inept waste of space , can any of us remember a class size that prevented us from learning if we wanted to .

Meh, the teachers matter not a jot in many ways, but they do have to deal with bored kids and if the kids are bored then they ain't gonna learn. Perhaps being taught shite ain't such a good thing after all :D

[The Reibz]

Can you save your vote for the next election? Way to many shit cunts in parliament these days

[mashman]

No, I don't think I will. I don't feel like helping pay for another 2000 teachers. Where 2000 teachers of a quality worth paying for are going to come from is another question.

You're already not paying for it as it seems there are more and more teachers required for a growing population, go figure, something that isn't being dealt with by either party, oh, hang on... also, when the little fuckers go on to become little fuckers, you get to pay for it some more... and when they go on to become big fuckers, guess what, aha, more. Circle of life, like.

As for where the teachers are going to come from (http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/8880819/Too-many-teachers-too-few-teaching-positions)

[Tazz]

Meh, the teachers matter not a jot in many ways, but they do have to deal with bored kids and if the kids are bored then they ain't gonna learn. Perhaps being taught shite doesn't ain't such a good thing after all :D

More like unfed, under dressed and uncared for kids. Some schools supply breakfast to kids who haven't eaten, only to have some parents complain about it.

[mashman]

More like unfed, under dressed and uncared for kids. Some schools supply breakfast to kids who haven't eaten, only to have some parents complain about it.

Ugh... that wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

[James Deuce]

I don't have a good rapport with teachers, so I'm not that thrilled at the idea of 2000 more of them.

[R650R]

Where the hell will 2000 good teachers come from???
Given that when you interview to get good ones you'd want 10000-20000 applicants to choose from.
And where will the extra classrooms come from for them to teach in???
I have a family member working in a school plus two good friends are teachers. Its a crisis point out there already and they are just badly disguised terrorist training camps.
Kids running riot threatening teachers with lawyers, knives assault etc. Funny thing is one of these schools is about to get a prize for helping disadvantaged youth etc but its fake results as they've just stopped expelling anymore of the nuttters. Bit like saying the crime rate has gone down by only looking at porison population etc...

[Ocean1]

Meh. If teachers are the cause of the numeracy apparent in the current crop of school leavers why the fuck would we want more of them?

And if they're not the cause then why the fuck would we want more of them?

[hayd3n]

You're already not paying for it as it seems there are more and more teachers required for a growing population, go figure, something that isn't being dealt with by either party, oh, hang on... also, when the little fuckers go on to become little fuckers, you get to pay for it some more... and when they go on to become big fuckers, guess what, aha, more. Circle of life, like.

As for where the teachers are going to come from (http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/8880819/Too-many-teachers-too-few-teaching-positions)

its a aging population not as many youfs anymore

[Ocean1]

its a aging population not as many youfs anymore

But thanks to his teachers he don't know that.

















Or much of anything else.

[Shaun Harris]

Parents smacking children for doing wrong

Teachers Being able to strap or cane again for doing





Lets start teaching the little fuckers that there is a price to pay for every thing- Fuk being a teacher where Kids can do and say what ever the hell they want to too ya


That party would deff get my vote.

[98tls]

More like unfed, under dressed and uncared for kids. Some schools supply breakfast to kids who haven't eaten, only to have some parents complain about it.

Surely your taking the piss eh imagine all these years when i wake at 5am to head off to work i am spurred on in the knowledge that thanks to the "working for familys" i am ensuring that every kid spawned by some lazy sack of shit and his to thick to keep her legs crossed bint has a better life.

[Ocean1]

thanks to the "working for familys"

But they always express their thanks for your efforts, Shirley?

[oldrider]

MMP gave us a whole lot more members of parliament ------- did "that" work for us? -- Or anyone? -- Or anything? ----- Except themselves? :kick::thud:

[Murray]

But they always express their thanks for your efforts, Shirley?


Got to be said

Stop calling me shirley

[AllanB]

At the rate Cuntlips is spending money he will be raising the tax rates something awful. He will have too there is f-all left to sell!

They all piss me off. Labour the most presently as they spout on about a surplus bla bla then we will do this and that and they all cost coin. I still remember the debt they left us in when they lost last time and that was after proclaiming they had election money to burn. Farking irresponsible IMO and ALL parties should be held accountable in justifying where the coin for their election promises is coming from and importantly held accountable if they do not honor them.

And a levy is just another name for tax ya slippery bastards so don't try the 'levy' card again.

[Tazz]

Surely your taking the piss eh imagine all these years when i wake at 5am to head off to work i am spurred on in the knowledge that thanks to the "working for familys" i am ensuring that every kid spawned by some lazy sack of shit and his to thick to keep her legs crossed bint has a better life.

Yes. I'm taking the piss because ignoring their children will certainly make sure they don't make a better life for themselves or make the same mistakes their parents did. You're a fuckin ideas man Steve!

Not like there is a golden answer to anything but I'm starting to feel sorry for politicians for putting up with some of this shit.

[mashman]

Meh. If teachers are the cause of the numeracy apparent in the current crop of school leavers why the fuck would we want more of them?

And if they're not the cause then why the fuck would we want more of them?

Nah, for the most parts the students are, but hey.

For the many reasons that teachers might give?


its a aging population not as many youfs anymore

Probably true.

[Ocean1]

Nah, for the most parts the students are, but hey.

Correct. Natural result of not allowing the consequences of failure to hurt the wee dears' feelings.


For the many reasons that teachers might give?

I've heard most of them. They're crap. Mostly because they don't believe in consequences.

[Shaun Harris]

MMP gave us a whole lot more members of parliament ------- did "that" work for us? -- Or anyone? -- Or anything? ----- Except themselves? :kick::thud:







MMP is the biggest costliest Joke I have ever seen NZ preform, how many morons does it take to manage a tiny little Island like NZ

[mashman]

Correct. Natural result of not allowing the consequences of failure to hurt the wee dears' feelings.

I've heard most of them. They're crap. Mostly because they don't believe in consequences.

Consequences of failure? What consequences?

[AllanB]

Consequences of failure? What consequences?

Fail, pick yourself up and try harder next time. Worked for me, that and dads right foot size 10 up my arse every now and then.

[FJRider]

At the rate Cuntlips is spending money he will be raising the tax rates something awful. He will have too there is f-all left to sell!



My bet ... raising the tax "Something Awful" on smokes and booze (first) ... AND fuel tax ... (later)

[Shaun Harris]

Fail, pick yourself up and try harder next time. Worked for me, that and dads right foot size 10 up my arse every now and then.







Nothing like a NO 10 up the arse to remind us wrong from write, or for every action there is a payable reaction. The old methods or parenting worked well, and how the hell making slapping children illegal was ever going to stop out right child abuse I have no idea?

But I do not get to drink the cups of tea the cleaver law makers drink either though

[Winston001]

Within limits class size does not matter, the calibre of the teacher sure as hell does . We can probably all remember the teacher who was an inept waste of space , can any of us remember a class size that prevented us from learning if we wanted to .

Yes there is research which shows class size is not as important as we might think.

Asians have very large classrooms compared to us but their children learn extremely well. Those Asians who make it to NZ universities rate in the A grades which is a shame on our own kids.

[Shaun Harris]

My funniest class room moment. I was sent to catholic school by the basin reserve in wellington by social welfare years back, and one day in religious study Father Toomey was explain the difference between white lies and full on lies, so I asked him


" Father, do you masturbate" By fek you should have seen him turn red and scream at me hahahahahahaha Poor bugger, it only cost me 6 of the best, and was well worth the short term pain.

[James Deuce]

Those Asians who make it to NZ universities rate in the A grades which is a shame on our own kids.

Until they have to apply those skills in the workplace.

[Winston001]

Nobody would argue against 2000 more teachers as a desirable addition to our community.

The thing is, we need to understand the practical implications of such a big step up in education. Teachers need classrooms so right there is a massive extra spend just to provide teaching space. Teachers expect new technology such as interactive white boards and tablets for the children.

Teachers for better or worse also expect teacher-only days, time away at professional development courses, plenty of playground space for activities, and the latest books/resources. As they should.

The problem as I see it is neither the government nor the local community have the deep pockets to suddenly provide the whole package. Finding a teacher is the easy bit - its everything which follows where the real questions arise.

[Berries]

Is that enough to make you vote for labour?

Winston peters looks after the oldies to get there vote so based on him looking out for them/himself, I am seriously consider casting my vote his way BUT BUT BUT Then Labour come out with the 2000+ more teachers for the kids, decisions decisions
Ha ha. You believe them.


Any of them.

[avgas]

Do we need 2000 more teachers?

I mean all you really are doing is taking all the Bach. of Arts Graduates off the dole.

[avgas]

MMP is the biggest costliest Joke I have ever seen NZ preform, how many morons does it take to manage a tiny little Island like NZ
Only 1.
But then we need 30 to disagree with him, 5-10 to kiss his ass, 50 to not care about anything, 20 to not turn up to work and 10 to sleep at work,

[awayatc]

Until they have to apply those skills in the workplace.


Or drive a company car...

[MisterD]

Do we need 2000 more teachers?

I mean all you really are doing is taking all the Bach. of Arts Graduates off the dole.

...and into one of the teaching unions, with a part of their subs going to the (currently so broke they can't afford election hoardings) Labour Party.

So, who is it that needs these teachers?

[Winston001]

Until they have to apply those skills in the workplace.

Seriously Jim? Really?

The Malaysians for example now do the high tech aircraft work for Air New Zealand. They are no slugs - very clever people. We used to do international repairs for many airlines in Chrischurch.

My observation of Asian people is that they are quiet, unobtrusive, work bloody hard, and succeed way beyond ordinary Kiwis. Good on them.

[Banditbandit]

The other real problem with Labours thing is, where the fuk are they going to be able to find 2000 teachers that can speak English?


Yea more forign shit here

Clearly your teachers did not teach you good spelling !!!

But there is a limit on how many students the Government allows to go to tertiary education in New Zealand, and the limit has not been increased for years .. there might be quite a few unemployed teachers - but the limit on students remains an issue.


hang on I will go and ask some teacher's what they think!!!

Oh bugger its one of those 12 weeks a year school holidays

Students might get 12 weeks holiday - teachers don't ... when the students are on leave that's when we do all the other work that piles up while we teach ..



I've heard most of them. They're crap. Mostly because they don't believe in consequences.

Of course teachers believe in consequences .. but you can't show cause and effect in the clear way that you think you can .. we will accept consequences if we are the causes.


Nothing like a NO 10 up the arse to remind us wrong from write, or for every action there is a payable reaction. The old methods or parenting worked well, and how the hell making slapping children illegal was ever going to stop out right child abuse I have no idea?

You do know it was illegal to hit a child BEFORE the Sue Bradford law change??? (or maybe you do not ...)


But I do not get to drink the cups of tea the cleaver law makers drink either though

Cleaver law??? (Or did you suffer from large classes when you were at school?)

[Banditbandit]

Look I'm in two minds about this one - yes, excellent teachers should be able to teacher bigger classes, especially at high school - at primary school I'm not so sure ... I think bigger classes of little kids would be a pain in the arse .. and smaller classes would be better ...

I also know that "you know you're a teacher when someone has critisized your profession - then said 'I wouldn't do your job for anything' ..."

Teachers should be education professionals ... why does everyone else think they can make informed comment on this profession just because once upon a time they were in school?

[Murray]

Students might get 12 weeks holiday - teachers don't ... when the students are on leave that's when we do all the other work that piles up while we teach ..


Thats strange I played soccer in a team with 5 teachers in it (2 went on to become Principals) and they quite openly stated that once they had done the curriculum for the year it was all cruisey and following years they just tweaked it and spent most of the time on the golf course.

[Banditbandit]

Thats strange I played soccer in a team with 5 teachers in it (2 went on to become Principals) and they quite openly stated that once they had done the curriculum for the year it was all cruisey and following years they just tweaked it and spent most of the time on the golf course.

How long ago was that?? Were they just pulling your leg???

[oldrider]

Teachers should be education professionals ... why does everyone else think they can make informed comment on this profession just because once upon a time they were in school?

Because it is their right to form that opinion and pass it on --- just as it is the receivers right to take that comment and make judgement of it's value!

It doesn't mean either of their judgements have any value to anyone else or even of the subject in it's self!

I have had 40 years experience in producing and distributing electricity but your opinion is more valid than mine when you receive your bill. :eek:

Your total experience with electricity is probably turning little switches off and on and paying your bill ---- your perception is your reality therefore to you it is correct!

The sole reason for production ... is consumption! I.E. Adage: The customer is always right! :yes:

[Oscar]

How long ago was that?? Were they just pulling your leg???

Possibly high decile Primary Schools.
My wife was DP at a low decile High School and finally got out last year.
It was killing her (literally, her blood pressure was through the roof), and I begged her to leave.
By most standards her salary was very good, but based on her education (Hons. Degree) it was crap.
It just wasn't worth the stress, abuse and general lack of job satisfaction.

[Shaun Harris]

Yes there is research which shows class size is not as important as we might think.

Asians have very large classrooms compared to us but their children learn extremely well. Those Asians who make it to NZ universities rate in the A grades which is a shame on our own kids.







unfortunately these Asians you speak of are driven so hard as children with schooling and study that they all but become robots.

[brendonjw]

How long ago was that?? Were they just pulling your leg???

Well having lived with 3 teachers for the past 4 years in a flatting situation i can say that its pretty current and they all pretty much agree with it, first year is hard getting the curriculum setup then its pretty crusy, a little rush around report times but other than that its 8 or 8:30-3:30 for them and boy they love rubbing my face in it :confused:

[Shaun Harris]

[QUOTE=Banditbandit;1130743769]Clearly your teachers did not teach you good spelling !!!








O They tried too when ever I showed up which was very rear. I went a little wild after my father drowned when I was 9 and social welfare took me over when I turned 13 after only attending school for 1 month of the entire year. I got drunk a lot though back then and had lots of cool wild sex with fellow bad girls

[Banditbandit]

Your total experience with electricity is probably turning little switches off and on and paying your bill ---- your perception is your reality therefore to you it is correct!

I've had a bit more personal experience with electricity - zapped myself a few times. But I hate chasing electrons - you can't see the little fuckers or where they are going. It's the one thing I won't try to fix on my bikes ... unless I really have to (i.e. on the side of the road.)


The sole reason for production ... is consumption! I.E. Adage: The customer is always right! :yes:

That's a difficult one. If our students are our customers, do we still have the right to fail them?

[Oscar]

O They tried too when ever I showed up which was very rear. I went a little wild after my father drowned when I was 9 and social welfare took me over when I turned 13 after only attending school for 1 month of the entire year. I got drunk a lot though back then and had lots of cool wild sex with fellow bad girls

If you had gone to school a little bit more often, you would realise that you are not a bad girl (at least you weren't last time I saw you), and you probably meant "..cool wild sex with girls who were as bad as me...".

[James Deuce]

Seriously Jim? Really?

The Malaysians for example now do the high tech aircraft work for Air New Zealand. They are no slugs - very clever people. We used to do international repairs for many airlines in Chrischurch.

My observation of Asian people is that they are quiet, unobtrusive, work bloody hard, and succeed way beyond ordinary Kiwis. Good on them.

Seriously. Of course I can't speak for the airline industry and airline engineering tends to quite different to IT despite using many of the same titles. The candidates I've interviewed have massively pumped their CVs and are unable to answer even the most basic questions about technologies they claim to have advanced qualifications in. Once employed in the workplace they suffer from a lack of initiative, require excessive handholding and constantly repeat the same technical errors over and over. They simply do not understand the importance of inter-personal relationships with their client base as they often hail from a suburb of a massive city that has a bigger population than NZ. A lot of them never adapt to NZ workplace culture or the concept of being on-call for instance. This is not true of every person hailing from that area of the world, however one has to interview 20 or 30 candidates to get someone who will fit an entry level role. We have had people interview for roles, get the job and simply never turn up in the country let alone let us know what is happening. It would be easy to characterise this as a old person racist rant, but it has been my experience of that last five years that NZ is a prime destination, but we work very differently to the rest of the world in terms of expected output per individual, and the expectations of how you will participate in the workplace. The Kiwi habit of suggesting an outcome and expecting it to happen does not fit well with those from cultures who expect to have a step by step plan with detailed instructions placed in front of them.

[The Pastor]

Problem aint with the teachers, its the parents that need a kick up the jaxie

[avgas]

..... The Kiwi habit of suggesting an outcome and expecting it to happen does not fit well with those from cultures who expect to have a step by step plan with detailed instructions placed in front of them.
So they would make great teachers then.
Start class at 8, 9 turn page, 10 turn page.........close book at 3.

(There is only half a truth to this........really depends on the teacher if this is the resulting teaching.......but the curriculum doesn't help)

[avgas]

But I hate chasing electrons - you can't see the little fuckers or where they are going.
Whats in lightning? Or light bulbs? Or a warm element on the stove?

They are easier to spot than you think. Just the same as air is. You just need the right medium.

[avgas]

Problem aint with the teachers, its the parents that need a kick up the jaxie
Half truth. There is a problem with society when a parent does their best to put their kids through school but it unable to help to their potential.

Then there is the other side - the parents who don't give a fuck. Who in all honesty should just lose their kids and their rights to have kids.

But its hard to paint parents with the same brush when the texture of society is so poorly maintained.

[oldrider]

That's a difficult one. If our students are our customers, do we still have the right to fail them?

Yes! The parents are generally your customers so if you failed to fail the student when "required" you would be failing your custmers then! :confused:

[Brian d marge]

can i vote to have all politicians executed?
Until then, not fuken worth voting.

bugger off
I want to be in that game ...
Ive already put my flag in the sand

I promise to;

Do nothing
Spend your money
Lose my memory when pressed

BUT what I wont do is cry like a byatch when caught ..

Ill just man up and tell the truth ...I need silk underpants due to the nature of my work and my allergies

Vote for me

Stephen

[oldrider]

Vote for me ----- Stephen

:rolleyes: ... OK .... now what? :confused: .................................................. .................................................. :wait:

[Shaun Harris]

If you had gone to school a little bit more often, you would realise that you are not a bad girl (at least you weren't last time I saw you), and you probably meant "..cool wild sex with girls who were as bad as me...".










Thanks for correction Boss

[Shaun Harris]

Problem aint with the teachers, its the parents that need a kick up the jaxie








Agree 20 zillion times man

[Ocean1]

Of course teachers believe in consequences .. but you can't show cause and effect in the clear way that you think you can .. we will accept consequences if we are the causes.

Your industry is blinded by academic dogma.

Lookie here:

In December 2011, the MoE’s Briefing to the Incoming Minister (Ministry of
Education, 2011) stated that:
… the gap between our high performing and low performing students remains one of
the widest in the Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD).
These low performing students are likely to be Māori or Pasifika and/or from low
socio-economic communities. Disparities in education appear early and persist
throughout learning. (p. 8)
Based on these findings the Briefing concluded that, “The greatest challenge facing the
schooling sector is producing equitable outcomes for students”

http://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/fms/Massey%20News/2013/8/docs/Report-National-Literacy-Strategy-2013.pdf

Equity of outcomes for students. If you believe that goal is achievable by throwing extra resources at low performing kids then you can't call yourself any sort of education professional.

All you teach them is that failure results in extra resources.

When failure has some sort of consequence then you'll improve your industry performance. And not until.

[Brian d marge]

Nothing inow get pissedusing tax payers money

But i will remember my voters when i speed past in me new bmw



:rolleyes: ... OK .... now what? :confused: .................................................. .................................................. :wait:

[Shaun Harris]

Nothing inow get pissedusing tax payers money

But i will remember my voters when i speed past in me new bmw











And when ya pull down ya $350-00 underpants FFS

[Brian d marge]

And when ya pull down ya $350-00 underpants FFS
Let me loose on ya tripple and i might

[Shaun Harris]

Our country is way to easy to fix. Simply add a form of the PILL into all water supplies so NO ONE can get pregnant until they have passed a basic IQ test



Man the population would decline rapidly making more houses available and so cheaper and less dumb kids so NO need for more teachers.

There 5 minutes one cigarette and country is fixed, and I cannot even spell. And fuk the BMW also- give me 2 wheels made in Japan any day Dam Nazi;s

[Shaun Harris]

Let me loose on ya tripple and i might








Done dude, I am so looking forward to getting her up and running. Ordered a set of Ohlins Road and track forks today for it, and are sending to a suspension man in the USA to modify for me.

My own chassis design starts next week, so in about 2 months from now BRARP BRARP

[Oscar]

Done dude, I am so looking forward to getting her up and running. Ordered a set of Ohlins Road and track forks today for it, and are sending to a suspension man in the USA to modify for me.

My own chassis design starts next week, so in about 2 months from now BRARP BRARP

Just in time for round 3 of the HMCC Winter Series...if'n ya hurry...

[Brian d marge]

Done dude, I am so looking forward to getting her up and running. Ordered a set of Ohlins Road and track forks today for it, and are sending to a suspension man in the USA to modify for me.

My own chassis design starts next week, so in about 2 months from now BRARP BRARP
Build it in carbon fibre with a very low hysterisis co efficient and ill send ya some underpants

Hahahhaha
Stephen

Love to see it finished

[Ocean1]

The Kiwi habit of suggesting an outcome and expecting it to happen does not fit well with those from cultures who expect to have a step by step plan with detailed instructions placed in front of them.

Is a fucking good habit. And not that common even here.

[avgas]

Is a fucking good habit. And not that common even here.
It also can be translated to
"Wing it and hope for the best" or the kiwi translation "She'll be right"

- all depends on the outcome and effort put in.

Too often what is planned and an expected outcome never reach fruition.

[Shaun Harris]

Build it in carbon fibre with a very low hysterisis co efficient and ill send ya some underpants

Hahahhaha
Stephen

Love to see it finished







You may well just be quite surprised then when my baby is finished!!!!!!!!!!! I cannot have the body work done until complete chassis is finished though obviously, so this will be few moths away as yet though

[Ocean1]

Is a fucking good habit.


It also can be translated to
"Wing it and hope for the best" or the kiwi translation "She'll be right"

You need another dictionary, that's more or less the opposite of:


suggesting an outcome and expecting it to happen

And this:


- all depends on the outcome and effort put in.

is arse about face too, and exactly the point: the outcome depends on the effort.


Too often what is planned and an expected outcome never reach fruition.

Yes, usually through lack of effort.

Now if you were pointing to the time-honoured tradition of suggesting an outcome and assigning completely insufficient resources to achieve it then you'd have a point. But to be honest I find that business model to be more of an Aussie-corporate-in-NZ trick, rather than a native Kiwi one. In fact it's common to most multinationals in an off-shore environment.

[Banditbandit]

Whats in lightning? Or light bulbs? Or a warm element on the stove?

They are easier to spot than you think. Just the same as air is. You just need the right medium.

Oh .. OK .. show me pictures of a few of them then.

Lightning - we see the light, not the electrons. Same with light bulbs. WE see the glow on the stove or feel the heat - we do not see electrons.


Yes! The parents are generally your customers so if you failed to fail the student when "required" you would be failing your custmers then! :confused:

I have the luxury of teaching at tertiary level - no parents involved.

[Banditbandit]

Your industry is blinded by academic dogma.

Some parts of it may well be, this part typing here is not. And what sort of dogma are you blinded by?


Lookie here:

In December 2011, the MoE’s Briefing to the Incoming Minister (Ministry of
Education, 2011) stated that:
… the gap between our high performing and low performing students remains one of
the widest in the Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD).
These low performing students are likely to be Māori or Pasifika and/or from low
socio-economic communities. Disparities in education appear early and persist
throughout learning. (p. 8)
Based on these findings the Briefing concluded that, “The greatest challenge facing the
schooling sector is producing equitable outcomes for students”

http://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/fms/Massey%20News/2013/8/docs/Report-National-Literacy-Strategy-2013.pdf

Absolutely. But I fail to see how that means teachers are doing a poor job.


Equity of outcomes for students. If you believe that goal is achievable by throwing extra resources at low performing kids then you can't call yourself any sort of education professional.

I do not necessarily believe that throwing resources at the problem will lead to a fix ... it depends where the actual issue lies. Sometimes it lies in the home, sometimes it lies in social factors and sometimes it lies with the teachers. Your blanket statements and quotes do not place all the problems with the teachers - in fact they do not place the problem anywhere in detail.


All you teach them is that failure results in extra resources.

Teach who? The students or the teachers? The students don't know about resourcing issues. You are conflating two ideas into one.


When failure has some sort of consequence then you'll improve your industry performance. And not until.

Failure by teachers does have consequences. The problem is that not all failure by students is failure by teachers.

[Ocean1]

Failure by teachers does have consequences. The problem is that not all failure by students is failure by teachers.

You're not listening. The failure is ALWAYS that of the student.

The reasons for that failure are manifold, but it's the student's choice whether to fail no matter what the reasons.

And if you think students don't learn that failing ain't such a big deal from the application of extra resources then you're a fool.

[Banditbandit]

You're not listening.

You're not explaining yourself clearly then.



The failure is ALWAYS that of the student.

Hmm .. I don't get that POV from your posts - you are not explaining yourself clearly.



The reasons for that failure are manifold, but it's the student's choice whether to fail no matter what the reasons.

Hmm interesting position ... I have had students who are not capable of passing. (I said it was immoral to enrol them, and got told the best thing I could do was fail them as quickly as possible and stop wasting their money.) The students simply did not have the skills to pass a degree programme. Cal it intelligence if you will - there are students with impairments - so failing is not their choice.




And if you think students don't learn that failing ain't such a big deal from the application of extra resources then you're a fool.

I fail to see how an eight-year-old child, who has no idea about school resourcing, learns that ..

[Swoop]

Our country is way to easy to fix. Simply add a form of the PILL into all water supplies so NO ONE can get pregnant until they have passed a basic IQ test
A good start but sadly does not take into account those on tank-water in normally undeveloped areas of the country, (Far North, Coromandel, South Island, etc) so they will remain as lower-decile breeders.
:wait:

You're not listening. The failure is ALWAYS that of the student.

The reasons for that failure are manifold, but it's the student's choice whether to fail no matter what the reasons.

And if you think students don't learn that failing ain't such a big deal from the application of extra resources then you're a fool.
A recent tertiary Academic Meeting was following the line of "if the student fails, the curriculum wasn't appropriate to their needs" which leads onto setting up a flexible curriculum and you still get a nice piece of paper to hang on the wall at the end. No matter how useless the student may be and two students in the same group might do totally different things.

[Shaun Harris]

[QUOTE=Swoop;1130744314]A good start but sadly does not take into account those on tank-water in normally undeveloped areas of the country, (Far North, Coromandel, South Island, etc) so they will remain as lower-decile breeders.
:wait:

That's fine, you never see the hill billies anyway- well apart from me

[Ocean1]

A recent tertiary Academic Meeting was following the line of "if the student fails, the curriculum wasn't appropriate to their needs" which leads onto setting up a flexible curriculum and you still get a nice piece of paper to hang on the wall at the end. No matter how useless the student may be and two students in the same group might do totally different things.

Which is why most terciary qualifications dated after the turn of the century are worth precicely the cost of the ink used to create them.

To the recipients. Nobody else would be stupid enough to actually pay a basic MBA fuck all.

[Ocean1]

You're not explaining yourself clearly then.

I never claimed to be a teacher.


Hmm interesting position ... I have had students who are not capable of passing. (I said it was immoral to enrol them, and got told the best thing I could do was fail them as quickly as possible and stop wasting their money.) The students simply did not have the skills to pass a degree programme. Cal it intelligence if you will - there are students with impairments - so failing is not their choice.


It's not a position, it's a fact. A student's task is to learn, if the information is available and yet they don't succeed in learning it then who the the fuck else can be said to have failed to learn? Citing inteligence or any other criteria doesn't change the fact.

And that's irrespective of the teacher involved, the teacher has only failed if he doesn't deliver the information required.



I fail to see how an eight-year-old child, who has no idea about school resourcing, learns that ..

That's apparent. And exactly the problem in question.

[Banditbandit]

I never claimed to be a teacher.

:killingme


It's not a position, it's a fact. A student's task is to learn, if the information is available and yet they don't succeed in learning it then who the the fuck else can be said to have failed to learn? Citing inteligence or any other criteria doesn't change the fact.

OK .. I get that ..


And that's irrespective of the teacher involved, the teacher has only failed if he doesn't deliver the information required.

Sorry - while I would like to agree with you ... there are some rat shit teachers out there who I would say have failed .. they can be so fucking boring, off-putting and generally useless. I would blame them ..

But what you are saying seems to undermine your position that teachers be held responsible ... If they deliver the information how can they be held responsible under your concepts?

Under mine, they could be held responsible for delivering the curriculum, but in such a bad manner that the students don't learn (and yes, I have seen teachers in classrooms that bad! And yes, I managed to get rid of them)



That's apparent. And exactly the problem in question.

:laugh: I still don't follow your reasoning here tho'

[oldrider]

I have the luxury of teaching at tertiary level - no parents involved.

Well, I guess your students definately are your primary customers then ... you must do what you must do ... the rest is up to them how they value your contribution!

:yes: . or . :no: just like any other contractoral agreement to supply goods or services. :niceone:

[BuzzardNZ]

My funniest class room moment. I was sent to catholic school by the basin reserve in wellington by social welfare years back, and one day in religious study Father Toomey was explain the difference between white lies and full on lies, so I asked him


" Father, do you masturbate" By fek you should have seen him turn red and scream at me hahahahahahaha Poor bugger, it only cost me 6 of the best, and was well worth the short term pain.

I didn't know social welfare sent kids to a posh school like that. You're talking about Saint Marks right?

[Brian d marge]

Dave Allen on being cheap and lying: http://youtu.be/8e_pIHiFPd4

[neels]

I fail to see how an eight-year-old child, who has no idea about school resourcing, learns that ..They learn pretty bloody quick if they're getting something over and above what the other kids are getting, the debatable point is if all those extra resources, technology, teacher aides etc etc etc actually makes any material difference to the end result.

Unfortunately it's become a bit un PC to say that some kids are less clever than others, just like adults out there in the real world, and measuring performance against standards is a bit of a no-no.

[mashman]

:laugh: I still don't follow your reasoning here tho'

He had a $multi-billion empire by the time he was eight.

[Brian d marge]

He had a $multi-billion empire by the time he was eight.
Not if you elect me as prime minister he wouldnt

Greedy basket

[Winston001]

Whats in lightning? Or light bulbs? Or a warm element on the stove?

They are easier to spot than you think. Just the same as air is. You just need the right medium.

Actually Av, gotta go with Bandit on this.

In the macro world we can only observe the actions of electrons when they release energy and that takes the form of photons.

Or work such as when an electric motor spins.

The light from a bulb and a hot element is comprised of excited photons but not electrons.

Purely as a matter of interest, the ghost images (floaters) we see when our eyes are closed are electron releases but we still can't see electrons. Bastards.

On the quantum level its more complicated and just amazes me. Why the heck should photons decide to appear in low energy radio waves or high energy gamma rays? Its nuts. :D

[avgas]

Lightning - we see the light, not the electrons. Same with light bulbs. WE see the glow on the stove or feel the heat - we do not see electrons.
In the words of Morpheus - you think that is air you are breathing?

In ALL things we only see, feel, smell...the effect of things. Not the actual thing. So yes you are seeing light - as an indications of electrons. But they are a very specific spectrum of light (so much so you can differentiate a bolt of lightning from a Forrest fire or the sun). So yes you can see electrons the same way as you can see X-rays, heat, sound and other things. By their interactions with an environment.

So what is light? What are things made up of? What is in-between those things?
If you answer those 3 questions you can see an electron. Honest.

This might sound a bit chicken-and-egg. But there are very specific reasons why we use these mediums to "see electrons". The number one being something Mandelbrot touched on while drawing maps.

You also forgot the second part about lightning - it makes a sound. Ever wonder why? Its the same reason why you can hear a flickering light-bulb or an arc welder.

[avgas]

In the macro world we can only observe the actions of electrons when they release energy and that takes the form of photons.
This is common for lots of things. Doesn't mean we can't see them, means we unable to process what we are seeing.
As mentioned in another post - if we need to see something, and it is not visible - we simple make is visible.

I guess I am being semantic here - but seeing vs visible are 2 different things.
I can see actions from effect, but the action may not be visible to me.

See has 2 meaning - one is something you can visualize, the other is when you have processed and deduced (mentally).
Don't believe me - look it up. It's science 101.

"I can see where they got that idea from"
Doesn't mean you have the idea written out in front of you.

I can't see electrons means that you are blocking them mentally from your thought process - i.e. its voodoo.

[Akzle]

the school of kb.

Would make for an excellent next generation.

[The Pastor]

Half truth. There is a problem with society when a parent does their best to put their kids through school but it unable to help to their potential.

Then there is the other side - the parents who don't give a fuck. Who in all honesty should just lose their kids and their rights to have kids.

But its hard to paint parents with the same brush when the texture of society is so poorly maintained.

The thing with national standards (talking primary here) is that it is an average. That means 50% of the students will (and should) fail it. For your kid to be above standard the parent has to extend learning in the home time, as they have to put in more effort than the rest of the class to get 'on track'.

I think only about 5% of parents actually do any type of at home learning with their kids,

One of the suckiest things is when a kid is well below at the start of the year, and through good teaching, the kid gets excited and motivated and goes up 1, 2 or several levels, but his/her report card will still say "below standard". It crushes the under achivers and does not reward hard work and effort.

The national standard isnt a flat line, it is always going up, so if you are behind, you have to accelerate your leanring compared to the rest of the country. Eg if you are a level 1 and the class if level 5, you have to learn twice as fast as the class as by the time your at level 5, the class is level 10. This is almost impossible for low students, as there is a reason they are low, and its not because they are quick learning....

[Banditbandit]

In the words of Morpheus - you think that is air you are breathing?

In ALL things we only see, feel, smell...the effect of things. Not the actual thing.

Oh .. OK .. let's do philosophy of knowledge then ...

How do we know we can rely on our senses? They can easily be deceived ... people who have lost limbs get phantom pains in that area - they feel pains in a foot that has been lost, in arms, in legs .. if you can feel something that is there and feel it when it is not there, which one is real? We can deceive our senses with drugs, with many things ..

How do we know the world around us is "real"? We don't ...

This has been the position of sceptical philosophers since Pyrrho of Elis, who was a contemporary of Aristotle, and remains in the philosophies of contemporary skeptics such as Feyerabend ..

Descartes' "I think, therefore I am" was exactly that - the only thing we experience directly and can truly know is our own mind. Everything else is received through the senses, which can be deceived and therefore unreliable.


And we are only seeing the effects of something - that we believe to be electrons - a re4asonable assumption .. however, we can not directly see electrons, even with all our flash technology ...

So back to my point .. If there's a leak in your electrical system on the bike, there's no pool of electrons under the engine ... you can't see them running out of the wires ... you can't see an electron stain on the frame ..



I can't see electrons means that you are blocking them mentally from your thought process - i.e. its voodoo.

Not what I meant at all .. I meant the empirical "see" as in visually see them, not mentally get the concept.

[buggerit]

So back to my point .. If there's a leak in your electrical system on the bike, there's no pool of electrons under the engine ... you can't see them running out of the wires ... you can't see an electron stain on the frame ..



.

Try it with 24v, you will def see an electron stain on the frame:eek5::lol:

[mansell]

Oh .. OK .. let's do philosophy of knowledge then ...

How do we know we can rely on our senses? They can easily be deceived ... people who have lost limbs get phantom pains in that area - they feel pains in a foot that has been lost, in arms, in legs .. if you can feel something that is there and feel it when it is not there, which one is real? We can deceive our senses with drugs, with many things ..

How do we know the world around us is "real"? We don't ...

This has been the position of sceptical philosophers since Pyrrho of Elis, who was a contemporary of Aristotle, and remains in the philosophies of contemporary skeptics such as Feyerabend ..

Descartes' "I think, therefore I am" was exactly that - the only thing we experience directly and can truly know is our own mind. Everything else is received through the senses, which can be deceived and therefore unreliable.


And we are only seeing the effects of something - that we believe to be electrons - a re4asonable assumption .. however, we can not directly see electrons, even with all our flash technology ...

So back to my point .. If there's a leak in your electrical system on the bike, there's no pool of electrons under the engine ... you can't see them running out of the wires ... you can't see an electron stain on the frame ..



Not what I meant at all .. I meant the empirical "see" as in visually see them, not mentally get the concept.

Time for a bit of a reality check here, the electron is smaller than the wavelength of visible light which means we wouldn't be able to see them anyway.

But back to the topic, we need more teachers in the class room teaching our children. I have read all the rhetoric about class size not mattering, written of cause by academics who have never had to deal with a class of 30+ teenage boys, with about 20% disengaged (for what ever reason) who demand more time and effort from the teacher distracting him (or her) from the disadvantaged students who do want to learn. Class numbers is a no brainer, the smaller the class size the better the teaching experience.

[bluninja]

Oh .. OK .. show me pictures of a few of them then.

Lightning - we see the light, not the electrons. Same with light bulbs. WE see the glow on the stove or feel the heat - we do not see electrons.



I have the luxury of teaching at tertiary level - no parents involved.

So none of your students are parents???? :whistle:

[bogan]

however, we can not directly see electrons, even with all our flash technology ...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/08/29/see-the-first-images-ever-of-an-electron-orbiting-a-nucleus/

:yawn: next...

[Banditbandit]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/08/29/see-the-first-images-ever-of-an-electron-orbiting-a-nucleus/

:yawn: next...


Still no .. that's "the electron pathways, presented as darker gray bands in the other two images at center and upper left." That shows an effect, not the electron

[Banditbandit]

Class numbers is a no brainer, the smaller the class size the better the teaching experience.

No - I once has a class of three people. with a 66% absenteeism rate ... not a good experience for me or the students. That's just too small ..

[bogan]

Still no .. that's "the electron pathways, presented as darker gray bands in the other two images at center and upper left." That shows an effect, not the electron

No it shows the electron's path; it is the electron itself in multiple positions. Like those time-lapse photos of brake lights; photo is still of brake lights.

Anyway, it seem you're going all hipster philosophical to try and sound smart. This is why philosophical discussions should start with a disclaimer. Maybe something like "I'm a pretentious twat who craves to assert my superiority by using misunderstandings in the english language"

[Banditbandit]

Maybe something like "I'm a pretentious twat who craves to assert my superiority by using misunderstandings in the english language"

:killingme .. yeah, I'd have to put up my hand for that .. sorry, but it goes with being an academic ... (fuck me, you should see some of the pretentious twats I work with)

[Oscar]

Maybe something like "I'm a pretentious twat who craves to assert my superiority by using misunderstandings in the english language"

The pretentious twat is however slightly preferable to the attitude that spelling and grammar aren’t important.
Basically, making excuses for a failing in either skill makes you look stupid.
But not as stupid as actually failing in either discipline.

You’re essentially telling the world that you are too stupid to load a spell check, and you don’t care that your message may not be understood.

This is not a dig at you by the way, and not that related to your comment, I'm just tired of looking at some of the more illiterate posts here and this seemed like a good thread to vent in...

[bogan]

:killingme .. yeah, I'd have to put up my hand for that .. sorry, but it goes with being an academic ... (fuck me, you should see some of the pretentious twats I work with)

Yeh I know that association all too well :laugh:


The pretentious twat is however slightly preferable to the attitude that spelling and grammar aren’t important.
Basically, making excuses for a failing in either skill makes you look stupid.
But not as stupid as actually failing in either discipline.

You’re essentially telling the world that you are too stupid to load a spell check, and you don’t care that your message may not be understood.

This is not a dig at you by the way, and not that related to your comment, I'm just tired of looking at some of the more illiterate posts here and this seemed like a good thread to vent in...

No unwanted red squigglies under my mess :innocent: Which is 100% cos I use a spellcheck, as I got a new keyboard, and despite the letters which I just press lighting up, the layout is still different enough to throw me off.

The grammar could probably use a tuneup though, and I do agree with your sentiments.

[Winston001]

No it shows the electron's path; it is the electron itself in multiple positions. Like those time-lapse photos of brake lights; photo is still of brake lights.


Nice explanation although I'm inclined to think Bandit is correct. Have to read a bit more.

Electrons are tricky sods.

[Winston001]

Time for a bit of a reality check here, the electron is smaller than the wavelength of visible light which means we wouldn't be able to see them anyway.



How the hell did we get from 2000 new teachers to discussing electrons??

Fun tho. :msn-wink:

Anyway good point but Bogan's link gives the answer - using smaller forces allows us to observe deeper into the atomic world. Electron microscopes. However this new technology which uses atomic forces is a whole leap ahead.

While we are wildly off-topic its interesting to consider that we cannot see gravity but can measure it.

There is a project a few decades out to build a gravity detector in space. It would consist of two arms at 90 degrees, both arms 2km long. Gravity waves going back to the Big Bang should be detectable with micro differences in each arm.

At present we can see back to about 300,000 years after the Big Bang but a gravity scope would allow us to see earlier.

[avgas]

Time for a bit of a reality check here, the electron is smaller than the wavelength of visible light which means we wouldn't be able to see them anyway.
It's actually worse than that. An Electron doesn't exist as other things do. It is a point charge with "something" only. But that doesn't mean you can't see it. It means that you can see its effect.
You can't visualize emotions - does that mean you can't see when someone is angry? happy? sad?
Can you see pain in something without seeing a persons face or hearing them?

Science is seeing what doesn't exist to the human eye. If you can't see - you should teach (or preach) science to kids. Otherwise what will they learn from you that they can't learn from a book?

[avgas]

So back to my point .. If there's a leak in your electrical system on the bike, there's no pool of electrons under the engine ... you can't see them running out of the wires ... you can't see an electron stain on the frame ..
Define a leak? Has the bike heated to a point where an exposes electrons? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermionic_emission
Are they being emitted via some radioactive mutation?
We they inducted or statically transferred?

Or have they simply found an alternate circuit?

You can see all of these if you know what to look for....Do you know what to look for?

[avgas]

That means 50% of the students will (and should) fail it.
I think you have this wrong. Don't you mean a score of 50% or lower, the student should fail.
Hate to think that you believe half of NZ is a lower class of society, and should never be otherwise.

If you do think that way - heads or tails? (and even that is giving you better odds than you are giving the kids - because if the coin lands on the edge I will do a reflip).

[mansell]

It's actually worse than that. An Electron doesn't exist as other things do. It is a point charge with "something" only. But that doesn't mean you can't see it. It means that you can see its effect.
You can't visualize emotions - does that mean you can't see when someone is angry? happy? sad?
Can you see pain in something without seeing a persons face or hearing them?

Science is seeing what doesn't exist to the human eye. If you can't see - you should teach (or preach) science to kids. Otherwise what will they learn from you that they can't learn from a book?

Actually they do exist they have mass and if you break apart a Neutron you get a Proton and an Electron, where the confusion lies in in a combination of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle and the Shrodinger Wave Equation, which means we don't know where they are but we can plot a probability grid which gives shape to the Orbitals. SWhit heavy Chemistry for a Saturday morning I think I'll watch the kids' cartoons instead :yes:

[Winston001]

Actually they do exist they have mass and if you break apart a Neutron you get a Proton and an Electron, where the confusion lies in in a combination of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle and the Shrodinger Wave Equation, which means we don't know where they are but we can plot a probability grid which gives shape to the Orbitals.

I can sort of grasp an electron in a probability cloud instead of a fixed place, but it also functions as a wave and that is downright queer.

Plus where does its load of photons come from? Can an electron ever lose all its photons? What about when it collides with a neutron or a tau particle? Maybe such collisions cannot occur?

[The Pastor]

I think you have this wrong. Don't you mean a score of 50% or lower, the student should fail.
Hate to think that you believe half of NZ is a lower class of society, and should never be otherwise.

If you do think that way - heads or tails? (and even that is giving you better odds than you are giving the kids - because if the coin lands on the edge I will do a reflip).

Its a national standard, it means they have a line where you are above or below.

(very simply)They determine the line by averaging out where the ideal student should be (add all the students divide by number of students). This means, by definiaiton that 50% of the population will be below the national standard and 50% will be above.

Now the national standard could be set at a pass rate of 80%, so 50% of the students will be below the 80% pass mark, yet even tho they may have more than a 50% pass rate (50-79% test result) half of the students have failed.

National standards are hard to understand. I think ive only made it worse!

[avgas]

Actually they do exist they have mass and if you break apart a Neutron you get a Proton and an Electron, where the confusion lies in in a combination of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle and the Shrodinger Wave Equation, which means we don't know where they are but we can plot a probability grid which gives shape to the Orbitals. SWhit heavy Chemistry for a Saturday morning I think I'll watch the kids' cartoons instead :yes:
Which brings back to the original question - what is light if not a way to see something?
Keep in mind that changing electron orbits allows us to see different colours of light.

[avgas]

Its a national standard, it means they have a line where you are above or below.

(very simply)They determine the line by averaging out where the ideal student should be (add all the students divide by number of students). This means, by definiaiton that 50% of the population will be below the national standard and 50% will be above.

Now the national standard could be set at a pass rate of 80%, so 50% of the students will be below the 80% pass mark, yet even tho they may have more than a 50% pass rate (50-79% test result) half of the students have failed.

National standards are hard to understand. I think ive only made it worse!
Yes I hope you have.
Otherwise 50% of NZ is set to fail.

Many moons ago when I got to trial the national unit standards - everyone could pass (or fail). This was what was due to replace the school cert etc.

I hope they haven't turned it into a horrible, above the medium, below the medium scenario. If they have - set up the caste' system now, and lets just dictate how much everyone gets paid according to their parents income. We can make India seem like a walk in the park.

This is starting to sound like a bad Dr Seuss book.

[The Pastor]

Otherwise 50% of NZ is set to fail.


yeah that's the problem with national standards.

[Banditbandit]

Define a leak? Has the bike heated to a point where an exposes electrons? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermionic_emission
Are they being emitted via some radioactive mutation?
We they inducted or statically transferred?

Or have they simply found an alternate circuit?

You can see all of these if you know what to look for....Do you know what to look for?

Fuck me .. it was a half-arsed joke (I hate chasing electrons because you can't see the little fuckers ... ) Too many people have taken it seriously ..

[bogan]

Fuck me .. it was a half-arsed joke (I hate chasing electrons because you can't see the little fuckers ... ) Too many people have taken it seriously ..

You mean like this plonker? :whistle:


Oh .. OK .. show me pictures of a few of them then.
Lightning - we see the light, not the electrons. Same with light bulbs. WE see the glow on the stove or feel the heat - we do not see electrons.

[Banditbandit]

You mean like this plonker? :whistle:

Yeah probably ... jokes never work when people argue about them .. losses the "funny" part ..

[avgas]

Fuck me .. it was a half-arsed joke (I hate chasing electrons because you can't see the little fuckers ... ) Too many people have taken it seriously ..
Yeah my bad also. But that is the problem about talking about electrons. It's hard to stay positive with them around.
(It's bad I know)

yeah that's the problem with national standards.
So correct me if I am wrong. Are 50% of NZ students currently having to resit every year? (It sounds fucking horrible - and would cause classrooms to grow - i.e. 30 --> 15 + 30 = 45 --> 22 + 30 --> 52.....)
If this is true. I would be hiring and extra 2000 teachers now, and train an additional 5000 for 5 years down the track, and start grooming the 10,000 we will need in 10-15 years.

[The Pastor]

Yeah my bad also. But that is the problem about talking about electrons. It's hard to stay positive with them around.
(It's bad I know)

So correct me if I am wrong. Are 50% of NZ students currently having to resit every year? (It sounds fucking horrible - and would cause classrooms to grow - i.e. 30 --> 15 + 30 = 45 --> 22 + 30 --> 52.....)
If this is true. I would be hiring and extra 2000 teachers now, and train an additional 5000 for 5 years down the track, and start grooming the 10,000 we will need in 10-15 years.

(national standards are for primary school).

(its not an exam or test, its a benchmark)

(like i said you can pass the class/year but still fail national standards)

[avgas]

(its not an exam or test, its a benchmark)
So are 50% of NZ failing? or is the benchmark completely irrelevant?
Jeez I thought the US has it bad with SAT's (where 2400 != 100%, but you can't get more than 2400).

[The Pastor]

So are 50% of NZ failing? or is the benchmark completely irrelevant?
Jeez I thought the US has it bad with SAT's (where 2400 != 100%, but you can't get more than 2400).

its impossible to tell, as each schools interpretation of the standard is massively different.

another 'cool' feature of the standard is that its not a linear line, i.e., the progression through the junior years are way way easier than the senior years, its exponential.