Asia talent cup now accessible for NZ and Australian competitors

[Billy]

I received this morning the necessary registration details for the Asia talent cup along with the good news,Its now open to New Zealand and Australian competitors,I have forwarded the necessary details on to the roadrace commissioner,But if you want a copy sent out email me at acrfibreglass@actrix.co.nz

[budda]

I received this morning the necessary registration details for the Asia talent cup along with the good news,Its now open to New Zealand and Australian competitors,I have forwarded the necessary details on to the roadrace commissioner,But if you want a copy sent out email me at acrfibreglass@actrix.co.nz

Well done, that man ..........

[Billy]

Well done, that man ..........

Be bloody awesome to see the organisation get behind the commissioner on this one and use some of their ill gotten gains theyre constantly beating their chests about by sending one of the talented competitors from our championship over,Like we both tried at different times to no avail.

[budda]

Be bloody awesome to see the organisation get behind the commissioner on this one and use some of their ill gotten gains theyre constantly beating their chests about by sending one of the talented competitors from our championship over,Like we both tried at different times to no avail.

Amen ..........

[scott411]

Be bloody awesome to see the organisation get behind the commissioner on this one and use some of their ill gotten gains theyre constantly beating their chests about by sending one of the talented competitors from our championship over,Like we both tried at different times to no avail.

Correct , there is no reason why we should have 700k in the bank

[budda]

Correct , there is no reason why we should have 700k in the bank

Unless you're looking at a long-term investment in say, a takeaway food outlet ? Or a couple of apartments at Hand-me-Downs ?:rolleyes:

[budda]

Unless you're looking at a long-term investment in say, a takeaway food outlet ? Or a couple of apartments at Hand-me-Downs ?:rolleyes:

Or MAYBE all the planets have aligned, and we're about to procure 15 of the Reiju 50's I was trying to get sorted to start younger Juniors on ........:tugger:

[steveyb]

There is no reason why we should not have a handful of riders going to the selection.
There is no cost to the riders other than getting there and accommodation.
A lot cheaper than going to Europe!!

[neil_cb125t]

I received this morning the necessary registration details for the Asia talent cup along with the good news,Its now open to New Zealand and Australian competitors,I have forwarded the necessary details on to the roadrace commissioner,But if you want a copy sent out email me at acrfibreglass@actrix.co.nz

Very cool - what is required from the "talent?" - they need to get themselves there what happens with bikes? entry fees? time required there?

Is there a website we can look at?

many thanks

[Billy]

Very cool - what is required from the "talent?" - they need to get themselves there what happens with bikes? entry fees? time required there?

Is there a website we can look at?

many thanks

Send me an email to the address supplied and I'll forward ALL the info I have

[CHOPPA]

Be bloody awesome to see the organisation get behind the commissioner on this one and use some of their ill gotten gains theyre constantly beating their chests about by sending one of the talented competitors from our championship over,Like we both tried at different times to no avail.

Who would deserve the ride and have the pace?

[Billy]

Who would deserve the ride and have the pace?

I have no idea,I haven't even read the info supplied,I just put it out there at the first instance,From what I have heard there is a try out on scooters first,I guess it would be up to the individuals to apply.

[jellywrestler]

From what I have heard there is a try out on scooters first,I guess it would be up to the individuals to apply.

fuck yeah, that's me; I'm in and i was born on a leap year so technically only 13 so I should qualify on that level too.
Where do I sign up?

[steveyb]

It's not about deserving the ride and entry fees etc.
Of course only riders who think they have the goods should enter, but it is open to all comers of the right age.
It is just like Rookies Cup. Alberto Puig is the chief protagonist and his company runs the bikes for MotoGP Rookies Cup.

You send an application, they assess that, invite you or not, to the selection event, you go over to Sepang (probably) and try and get selected.
Then you go to the race meetings.
Everything else is supplied: leathers (Alpinestars), bikes (Honda NSF250), tyres support etc etc. No entry fees.
One might use the same argument that is often promulgated in these parts about Rookies Cup that there is no political reason for them to select an NZ rider, hence there has not been one selected. That may or may not be the case. One might use the same argument here, that while they have now opened it up to applicants from NZ and Oz, they are not that keen to actually have an NZ or Oz rider in it, hence the reason they did not include NZ and Oz in the first place when they launched the thing last year.
But, like anything, you gotta be in to win, so why not give it a go?
I agree that MNZ should put hands in pockets to fund the riders who get invited to the selection, if not both rider and parent, at least the riders costs.
If anyone is then selected for the series then MNZ could look at funding part of their costs and they can be an MNZ entry, just like the Italian and French bodies do in Europe. Hell, the Italians fund a whole Moto3 team (probably not by themselves though).
Riders who are invited could easily run a crowdfunding project on ThrillPledge/PledgeMe to ask for donations for at least a portion of the costs to get there.
If the question is: What riders should apply? I have some in mind, but I am unsure of their ages or abilities to fund the trips on top of everything else. I would suggest that Bailee, Rogan and Tyler for starters would make fair candidates.

[steveyb]

fuck yeah, that's me; I'm in and i was born on a leap year so technically only 13 so I should qualify on that level too.
Where do I sign up?

No no no, emotional age does not count.......

[CHOPPA]

It's not about deserving the ride and entry fees etc.
Of course only riders who think they have the goods should enter, but it is open to all comers of the right age.
It is just like Rookies Cup. Alberto Puig is the chief protagonist and his company runs the bikes for MotoGP Rookies Cup.

You send an application, they assess that, invite you or not, to the selection event, you go over to Sepang (probably) and try and get selected.
Then you go to the race meetings.
Everything else is supplied: leathers (Alpinestars), bikes (Honda NSF250), tyres support etc etc. No entry fees.
One might use the same argument that is often promulgated in these parts about Rookies Cup that there is no political reason for them to select an NZ rider, hence there has not been one selected. That may or may not be the case. One might use the same argument here, that while they have now opened it up to applicants from NZ and Oz, they are not that keen to actually have an NZ or Oz rider in it, hence the reason they did not include NZ and Oz in the first place when they launched the thing last year.
But, like anything, you gotta be in to win, so why not give it a go?
I agree that MNZ should put hands in pockets to fund the riders who get invited to the selection, if not both rider and parent, at least the riders costs.
If anyone is then selected for the series then MNZ could look at funding part of their costs and they can be an MNZ entry, just like the Italian and French bodies do in Europe. Hell, the Italians fund a whole Moto3 team (probably not by themselves though).
Riders who are invited could easily run a crowdfunding project on ThrillPledge/PledgeMe to ask for donations for at least a portion of the costs to get there.
If the question is: What riders should apply? I have some in mind, but I am unsure of their ages or abilities to fund the trips on top of everything else. I would suggest that Bailee, Rogan and Tyler for starters would make fair candidates.

My comment was in the reply to MNZ picking up the tab (Which I agree would be great) but in that case it has everything to do with the rider deserving it...

Do you think any of our riders that have been through the Redbull Rookies selection have been hard done by?

[Billy]

It's not about deserving the ride and entry fees etc.
Of course only riders who think they have the goods should enter, but it is open to all comers of the right age.
It is just like Rookies Cup. Alberto Puig is the chief protagonist and his company runs the bikes for MotoGP Rookies Cup.

You send an application, they assess that, invite you or not, to the selection event, you go over to Sepang (probably) and try and get selected.
Then you go to the race meetings.
Everything else is supplied: leathers (Alpinestars), bikes (Honda NSF250), tyres support etc etc. No entry fees.
One might use the same argument that is often promulgated in these parts about Rookies Cup that there is no political reason for them to select an NZ rider, hence there has not been one selected. That may or may not be the case. One might use the same argument here, that while they have now opened it up to applicants from NZ and Oz, they are not that keen to actually have an NZ or Oz rider in it, hence the reason they did not include NZ and Oz in the first place when they launched the thing last year.
But, like anything, you gotta be in to win, so why not give it a go?
I agree that MNZ should put hands in pockets to fund the riders who get invited to the selection, if not both rider and parent, at least the riders costs.
If anyone is then selected for the series then MNZ could look at funding part of their costs and they can be an MNZ entry, just like the Italian and French bodies do in Europe. Hell, the Italians fund a whole Moto3 team (probably not by themselves though).
Riders who are invited could easily run a crowdfunding project on ThrillPledge/PledgeMe to ask for donations for at least a portion of the costs to get there.
If the question is: What riders should apply? I have some in mind, but I am unsure of their ages or abilities to fund the trips on top of everything else. I would suggest that Bailee, Rogan and Tyler for starters would make fair candidates.

Absolutely,

There are any number of riders who could apply and I believe some already have made enquiries after getting the info off my facebook page or the Team Aspire page, The reality is, Theres $20k in funding available from Oceania every year as I was informed that has NEVER been taken up, When the late Oceania President was here in 2013 he all but begged for us to use it,I applied to the office for help to bring Luke Burgess here for that season and was told about the funding then,But that what I was doing didn't fit the criteria of junior training, That said, They managed to secure funding from Oceania for the Barry Sheene last year on the premise it was an Oceania championship and yet that event was run on a club day permit, Where there is a will, Theres a way, Junior development is the lifeblood of the sport and currently MNZ are basically ignoring it, You can't say that Luke didn't raise both the profile of the 250 class AND the bar, Since he came, A large number of competitors in that class have improved immensly and the times he achieved then, That were seen as unbeatable are no longer records and in some cases, There were several competitors that were faster than he went in 2013, This is just one of many opportunity's that our youngsters should be attending but simply can't do it without financial support, Meanwhile, Back at the ranch I'm led to believe MNZ have $700k in the bank and available funding thats not being used, NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

As an aside, When I contacted the current commissioner, He had not even been informed of the funding ?????

[steveyb]

My comment was in the reply to MNZ picking up the tab (Which I agree would be great) but in that case it has everything to do with the rider deserving it...

Do you think any of our riders that have been through the Redbull Rookies selection have been hard done by?

My personal view is that if these monies are actually available as is alluded elsewhere, then really because the cost of a flight to Malaysia is not that much, that MNZ could fund all of the riders invited to go to the selection. As I suggested, perhaps just the rider, parents fund themselves. That would be fair.

As for being hard done by at Rookies Cup, my personal opinion is not really, but others have views that suggest that any Kiwi going was never going to be selected, regardless. Only if they were absolute stand outs would they be selected. This has not been the case for any of the candidates we have sent. Travelling from here makes it tough. There is the belief that our market for RedBull and Dorna makes them ignore us, while they are desperate to have wide broadcast rights in Australia hence their desperation to have an Aussie at the front of MotoGP. I wonder if they really know how small the sport is in Australia. I find it hard to hold that view, because I can't believe that someone who makes his life in NZ would allow young NZ riders and families to put themselves through all that and the $$ to get there if there was no chance. I am not so cynical. But it could be real.

Young Tyler went to Europe on his own. Hung out for a week with people he knew only loosely (much better now though) and then was pretty overwhelmed by the hot temperatures and full on nature of the thing in Spain. That he made it there and actually did it is testament to his maturity, but it was a pretty tough ask all round really.
So far we have sent: Luke Jameson, Nick Cain (twice), Avalon Biddle, Jake Lewis and Tyler Lincoln (hope I have not forgotten anyone). Does anyone think that anyone was/is better than those candidates? Bearing in mind that they are not looking for national champions, but riders who demonstrate coachable abilities.

This new initiative could really help NZ riders make steps. BUT, we do also need to be aware that the level is MUCH MUCH lower than that of the Rookies Cup and that GP/WSBK teams may not be watching. Only riders that are absolute standouts (again) will get any attention from this series.

[scott411]

we (the pukekohe motorcycle club) used the oceania federation funding to run the oceania junior motocross champs at harrisville in 2010, we brought 15 aussie junior riders out, incl some of thier bikes, and flew the riders out, the parents had to pay for their own flights, we billeted all the riders and supporters though the club members,

i thought the oceania funding was for an event, not to send individual riders to certain events, pretty sure the trails guys have used it in the past as well,

this does seem like a cool series tho, and Asia used to be the stepping stone for a lot of our riders,

[Billy]

we (the pukekohe motorcycle club) used the oceania federation funding to run the oceania junior motocross champs at harrisville in 2010, we brought 15 aussie junior riders out, incl some of thier bikes, and flew the riders out, the parents had to pay for their own flights, we billeted all the riders and supporters though the club members,

i thought the oceania funding was for an event, not to send individual riders to certain events, pretty sure the trails guys have used it in the past as well,

this does seem like a cool series tho, and Asia used to be the stepping stone for a lot of our riders,

The oceania president himself described it to me as being available for junior training,No mention of what criteria that should entail and definitely not an event.

[Shaun Harris]

I would love to see Baillie Perrington in this, as he has the maturity to conduct himself well there also and be a great sales person for NZ Riders and he is FAST!!!! But will be at a big weight disadvantage dam pie eater

[budda]

The oceania president himself described it to me as being available for junior training,No mention of what criteria that should entail and definitely not an event.

Was ONLY for training when I tried to access it - cant tell you what happened to my proposal involving bringing Training Accredited Aussies here, never heard back ........

[Billy]

Was ONLY for training when I tried to access it - cant tell you what happened to my proposal involving bringing Training Accredited Aussies here, never heard back ........

Yip,

I said that earlier, BUT if they can obtain funding for the BSOC on the pretence it was an Oceania challenge,Which it was NOT, Then I'm sure something could be done,I'm sure like me, Any reply you got did not come from Oceania,I doubt they were even contacted with any proposal,When I spoke to their president he was very adamant NO request had been made from NZ and had some choice words to say about certain MNZ members

[oyster]

Shaun, do you remember years ago when people were encouraging you to get involved in MNZ? You responded by saying you'd be quickly arrested for assaulting the CEO (Paul Pavletich) Dumb old me offered to pay your bail. That cost me a "breach of the code of conduct" and a $200 fine, (mind you, offering to pay the bail money in advance probably was a bit provocative..) I could have ignored it, but I needed to keep my licence so I could stay out on the track coaching. The serious letter from the president (Sandra Perry) stated the fine money would be used for junior training. I followed up over several years with Paul Stewart and Kev Goddard with no luck confirming where the money went. They finally said it couldn't be paid because the accounts were were closed.

[budda]

Yip,

I said that earlier, BUT if they can obtain funding for the BSOC on the pretence it was an Oceania challenge,Which it was NOT, Then I'm sure something could be done,I'm sure like me, Any reply you got did not come from Oceania,I doubt they were even contacted with any proposal,When I spoke to their president he was very adamant NO request had been made from NZ and had some choice words to say about certain MNZ members

Clearly I didn't have the right people schmooooooZe the right people then .........:drool:

[Shaun Harris]

Shaun, do you remember years ago when people were encouraging you to get involved in MNZ? You responded by saying you'd be quickly arrested for assaulting the CEO (Paul Pavletich) Dumb old me offered to pay your bail. That cost me a "breach of the code of conduct" and a $200 fine, (mind you, offering to pay the bail money in advance probably was a bit provocative..) I could have ignored it, but I needed to keep my licence so I could stay out on the track coaching. The serious letter from the president (Sandra Perry) stated the fine money would be used for junior training. I followed up over several years with Paul Stewart and Kev Goddard with no luck confirming where the money went. They finally said it couldn't be paid because the accounts were were closed.




I remember it very Well Pete

[steveyb]

Applications have now opened.
Is anyone from NZ going to apply?
Is anyone willing to state if MNZ funding will be available or not? (i.e. will it actually be given, not just "you can apply for it" and get turned down).

[Billy]

Applications have now opened.
Is anyone from NZ going to apply?
Is anyone willing to state if MNZ funding will be available or not? (i.e. will it actually be given, not just "you can apply for it" and get turned down).

You'd have to contact the office re funding, I did see some mention of funding from MNZ on the track and roadriders facebook page, But I didn't bother reading it, I only posted it on here as I knew nobody else would as the info was sent too me from a mate in Aussie and MNZ had no knowledge of it at the time.

[steveyb]

If they will take a kid from Martinique, why not a Kiwi kid?

http://www.redbull.com/cs/Satellite/en_INT/Article/Blog---Lyvann-needing-more-muscles-in-Brno-021243363670973

[RDjase]

Only a day to go to apply !

Who has ?

http://www.asiatalentcup.com/

[steveyb]

It would seem that nobody has, or at the very least nobody is willing to say they have, or they aren't on here.
The latter is HIGHLY unlikely, but possible I suppose.....
If no one has applied or if no one is going I think that is a real shame and an opportunity missed.

[Billy]

It would seem that nobody has, or at the very least nobody is willing to say they have, or they aren't on here.
The latter is HIGHLY unlikely, but possible I suppose.....
If no one has applied or if no one is going I think that is a real shame and an opportunity missed.

Yip,

Well the blame for this opportunity going begging AND the opportunity I offered earlier in the ASC series, Lies squarely at the feet of the board and admin at MNZ, As stated earlier there is $20,000 funding available from Oceania EVERY year specifically for junior training that has not been taken up to date, The only real junior induction and development is undertaken by MCI under their own initiative, Until the board stop sitting on their hands and doing NOTHING in regard to junior development, It will remain the same, The last 2 commissioners have tried to get something organised and been turned down by the board, The ONLY attempt was by an onroad board member trying to have the money used to bring over an Aussie 125 rider to coach 125 riders ONLY, How is that going to help with induction and training for the younger generation FFS

[Shaun Harris]

It would seem that nobody has, or at the very least nobody is willing to say they have, or they aren't on here.
The latter is HIGHLY unlikely, but possible I suppose.....
If no one has applied or if no one is going I think that is a real shame and an opportunity missed.





If last part of your post is true it is bloody shocking and one of an opportunity, is is some thing many many would have killed each other for years ago

[RDjase]

It would seem that nobody has, or at the very least nobody is willing to say they have, or they aren't on here.
The latter is HIGHLY unlikely, but possible I suppose.....
If no one has applied or if no one is going I think that is a real shame and an opportunity missed.

The application for Tyler is done and sent, came up #478 so I guess that is how many have applied worldwide, unless its random numbers. Those Honda Underbone scooter things look weird to try and ride fast but thats whats they do the testing on.

[Shaun Harris]

The application for Tyler is done and sent, came up #478 so I guess that is how many have applied worldwide, unless its random numbers. Those Honda Underbone scooter things look weird to try and ride fast but thats whats they do the testing on.




well done, gotta be in to win eh

[Mental Trousers]

The application for Tyler is done and sent, came up #478 so I guess that is how many have applied worldwide, unless its random numbers. Those Honda Underbone scooter things look weird to try and ride fast but thats whats they do the testing on.

Probably a running total since the Cup first started.

Btw, awesome :niceone:

[steveyb]

The application for Tyler is done and sent, came up #478 so I guess that is how many have applied worldwide, unless its random numbers. Those Honda Underbone scooter things look weird to try and ride fast but thats whats they do the testing on.

Choice youse fullas.

[RDjase]

If Tyler makes it to the selection/trials I will have to some $

It says you are notified 10 days before you have to be at Sepang:shit:

[richban]

If Tyler makes it to the selection/trials I will have to some $

It says you are notified 10 days before you have to be at Sepang:shit:

Thats cool Jase. I hope Tyler gets a shot.

Maybe get in contact with MNZ and ask them to put some of the 20k aside for if Tyler gets the call up.

[Mental Trousers]

The application for Tyler is done and sent, came up #478 so I guess that is how many have applied worldwide, unless its random numbers. Those Honda Underbone scooter things look weird to try and ride fast but thats whats they do the testing on.

Probably a running total since the Cup first started.

So it appears I was wrong, over 700 applicants.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2014/Hundreds+of+applicants+from+Asia+Australia+and+New +Zealand+for+2015+Shell+Advance+Asia+Talent+Cup

I hope Tyler isn't the only one from En Zud.

[Shaun Harris]

so was Tyler the only Kiwi entered?- If so I reckon that will guarantee him a try out

[RDjase]

Havnt heard of any others from NZ, maybe there are but keeping it quiet.

[RDjase]

Dear Tyler Lincoln,

Thank you very much for your inscription for the Selection process of the Shell Advance Asia Talent Cup.

Due to the high number of applications received, not all applicants have been invited to participate in the Selection.

Unfortunately we would like to inform you that you have not been selected to participate in the 2014 Selection of the Shell Advance Asia Talent Cup.

We do encourage you to pursue your motorcycling career and wish you all the best.

Best regards.

Organization of Shell Advance Asia Talent Cup.

E-mail: info@asiatalentcup.com

Dorna Sport S.L.

C/ Principe de Vergara 183

28002 Madrid

Spain

Ah well. Bring on the Barry Sheene at Hampton

[ellipsis]

...Bugger...onwards and upwards Jase...give him a slap on the back from me...

[Farmaken]

Well that's a bit sucky, still I guess it means you will have more dollars for racing at home.....

Still sucky

[RDjase]

Not to worry about it, there is lots of racing coming up. Barry Sheene, NZ Classic register meetings, Tri Series, NZSBK,

Tyler will be racing for Team Aspire, great guys and looking forward the upcoming racing

https://www.facebook.com/groups/238879806279697/

Tyler will finally race a Yamaha, he will race my LC at the Sheene as well as Pete Lodge's ES2 Norton

[RDjase]

I heard someone from the SI has made the selection:niceone:

[Bert]

Not to worry about it, there is lots of racing coming up. Barry Sheene, NZ Classic register meetings, Tri Series, NZSBK,

Tyler will be racing for Team Aspire, great guys and looking forward the upcoming racing

https://www.facebook.com/groups/238879806279697/

Tyler will finally race a Yamaha, he will race my LC at the Sheene as well as Pete Lodge's ES2 Norton

Choice...

Looking forward to seeing Tyler out on your Yamaha: Bets on he will go faster than you :bleh:

[Mental Trousers]

I heard someone from the SI has made the selection:niceone:

A shame Tyler didn't get a go but at least someone from NZ has.

[Mental Trousers]

The short list

http://www.asiatalentcup.com/selected+riders

3 Kiwi's in there, that's not bad. Bloody tough competition though.

[CHOPPA]

Would be a great holiday

[wayne]

its all about the holiday ...........

[puddytat]

How'd young Bailie do in Aus?
Heard fark all here...but then I don't facebook...

[CHOPPA]

How'd young Bailie do in Aus?
Heard fark all here...but then I don't facebook...

He has been doing really well. Its been well covered on Youtube, Live Streaming on Motorsportstv.com.au, nzmoto, http://www.nzsuperbike.com and the dreaded facebook ;)

I will make sure I get some info on here shortly, leading up and during the next round so the good folk on here who helped make it happen and have missed the other media coverage know whats going on