Two-up with L plates?

[imac]

Can I get ticketed for being 2 up on a bike with L plates when I have a full license?

Cheers

[Akzle]

breach of license conditions. (displaying an L when not told to) 200$

[mossy1200]

Think if you are doubling the bike owner because he/she cant double you and you cant talk your way out of that there is issues beyond the L plate.

[thepom]

just pay it!

[Berries]

Just tell them your name is Lionel.

[AllanB]

Stick a sock over the L plate. Fark stick a sock over the number plate and hell it up mate.

[Big Dog]

You can ride with an L plate, provided you observe all rules and limitations of an L license.

That said either the cop is a dickhead or you would have to be a muppet to get a fine. I had no issues when I got pulled. I just explained we were on our way to a quieter street to practice. Circa 2006-7. I am sure reception would have been different at 2 am.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Str8 Jacket]

First world problems FTW!

[FJRider]

Can I get ticketed for being 2 up on a bike with L plates when I have a full license?

Cheers

If YOU have a full license ... NO issues. A "Fuck the Police" sticker would have more issues.

Although ... attracting the attention of plod is never a good idea ...

It doesn't take much to make your bike not up to WOF standard.

[Erelyes]

Just read the legislation guys & gals (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/1999/0100/latest/whole.html#DLM282206)....

Note, I don't believe that the exemption in clause (b) will apply to motorcycles (read clause 16(1)(a) to find out why)

As to whether anyone has ever been ticketed for it.... I doubt it. Rastus?

[Akzle]

fucking pussies. I go 12 oclock with a chubby whore on the back.

[Big Dog]

fucking pussies. I go 12 oclock with a chubby whore on the back.

Do you really have to talk about yourself in the third person?

[avgas]

Nope. It is the same as an L plate on the parents car. They can't only ticket the vehicle for road-worthiness. They can't ticket you for exceeding license restriction - if there is no restriction. License conditions are just that - restrictions, and are worded that way in the law.
i.e. cop can't give you ticket for not exceeding license conditions, unless it causes a hazard on the road.

[Akzle]

Do you really have to talk about yourself in the third person?

i appreciate the attempt, but not your best work.

[Erelyes]

Just read the legislation guys & gals (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/1999/0100/latest/whole.html#DLM282206)....


i.e. cop can't give you ticket for not exceeding license conditions, unless it causes a hazard on the road.

Since you didn't fucking bother:

A person must not drive, on a road, a motor vehicle that displays an “L” plate as specified in clause 66 unless that person—

(a) holds a learner licence of the class that relates to that vehicle in accordance with Schedule 3; or
(b) immediately prior to driving has been, or is about to be, accompanying the person in paragraph (a) in accordance with clause 16(1)(a); or
(c) holds a driving instructor or testing officer endorsement and is driving a vehicle used for purposes connected with that endorsement.

[willytheekid]

Since you didn't fucking bother:

A person must not drive, on a road, a motor vehicle that displays an “L” plate as specified in clause 66 unless that person—

(a) holds a learner licence of the class that relates to that vehicle in accordance with Schedule 3; or
(b) immediately prior to driving has been, or is about to be, accompanying the person in paragraph (a) in accordance with clause 16(1)(a); or
(c) holds a driving instructor or testing officer endorsement and is driving a vehicle used for purposes connected with that endorsement.

Yeah...figure's that they would have some bullshit! revenue making rule that has absolutely NOTHING to do with "roadsafety" about this minor "offence" :facepalm: :motu:

...User sure does pay nowdays eh <_<

[avgas]

A person must not drive, on a road, a motor vehicle that displays an “L” plate as specified in clause 66 unless that person—
(b) immediately prior to driving has been, or is about to be, accompanying the person in paragraph (a) in accordance with clause 16(1)(a);
As space cadet has so correctly pointed out. Here is your exit clause.
Pity space cadet thought everyone else was wrong.

[Erelyes]

As space cadet has so correctly pointed out. Here is your exit clause.
Pity space cadet thought everyone else was wrong.


Note, I don't believe that the exemption in clause (b) will apply to motorcycles (read clause 16(1)(a) to find out why)


:motu: :motu: :motu:

[scracha]

fucking pussies. I go 12 oclock with a chubby whore on the back.

Before or after you've put her down?

[avgas]

:motu: :motu: :motu:
Clause A states holding for 2 years. Does the op not have that?

Other than that it's a very clean exit clause as the rider was 2 up - the owner of said L plate could be on the back. But also it could be that the OP is going to or from the owner of the L plate re: supervising a rider.

Which is why I clearly stated "parents car" in my quote....... as the same except applies to anyone who "supervises" a rider.

For a know-it-all you don't understand what you read very well.

[Akzle]

Before or after you've put her down?

who said anything about a 'her'?

[Maha]

Can I get ticketed for being 2 up on a bike with L plates when I have a full license?

Cheers

Why not just take the L plate off?


who said anything about a 'her'?

...Caution: over inflating your special friend could cause harm.

[Erelyes]

Clause A states holding for 2 years.

OK.

16(1)(a) states
the holder must not drive the vehicle (unless driving a motorcycle, moped, or an all-terrain vehicle) unless the holder is accompanied

The bold section is key. In other words, what it is saying is, if you're riding a motorcycle/moped/ATV this clause does not apply.

Hence why they state the conditions separately for motorcycles in 16(1)(d).
A clause which states no passengers (no exceptions) and is also not referenced by clause 104.


For a know-it-all you don't understand what you read very well.

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by this.

[Akzle]

Why did you not take the L plate off?



...Caution: over inflating your special friend could cause harm.


Why not just take the L plate off?



...Caution: over inflating your special friend could cause harm.

fuck me, it echoes in here.

you must have caught the computer-AIDS that i had...

[imac]

Well thanks KB, this has been more entertaining than I thought :cool:
Yep, I'm gonna be taking a learner out to a quiet spot to practice
I've had a full for almost 30 yrs
I think I'll take the L plate off

Rock on
Mac :headbang:

[avgas]

OK.

16(1)(a) states
the holder must not drive the vehicle (unless driving a motorcycle, moped, or an all-terrain vehicle) unless the holder is accompanied

The bold section is key. In other words, what it is saying is, if you're riding a motorcycle/moped/ATV this clause does not apply.

Hence why they state the conditions separately for motorcycles in 16(1)(d).
A clause which states no passengers (no exceptions) and is also not referenced by clause 104.
Holder is license holder not L plate holder.
He didn't break 16 1 d as he has a full license.
So both clauses don't apply.

[Erelyes]

Holder is license holder not L plate holder.
He didn't break 16 1 d as he has a full license.

Of course they wouldn't be breaking 16(1)(d). Didn't say they would be.


So both clauses don't apply.

:banana: Great! We're getting somewhere! So if we agree that nothing under 16 has any reference whatsoever to our situation, then we can agree that the exemption under 104(b) cannot apply.

Therefore, if a rider doesn't hold a 6L licence, and the bike has an L plate on it, an offence is committed. Pillion or no.

[FJRider]

A bit of digging .. In plain English.


http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/1999/0100/latest/DLM282205.html


Miscellaneous provisions relating to responsibilities of drivers


Prohibition on display of "“L”" plate except in appropriate circumstances

A person must not drive, on a road, a motor vehicle that displays an "“L”" plate as specified in clause 66 unless that person—

(a) holds a learner licence of the class that relates to that vehicle in accordance with Schedule 3; or

(b) immediately prior to driving has been, or is about to be, accompanying the person in paragraph (a) in accordance with

clause 16(1)(a); or

(c) holds a driving instructor or testing officer endorsement and is driving a vehicle used for purposes connected with that

endorsement.

[Erelyes]

A bit of digging .. In plain English.

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