Paywalls, will you pay to read news online?

[R650R]

So NZ Herald reckons its close to implementing it. Their site already seems troublesome, often getting the 'flash' infinite circle of page not loading... not to mention the local papers slow to dripfeed new content in.
Well its good bye from me then. Also plenty of blogs are cut n pasting news these days, especially via facebook so think its not going to work in NZ...
How do you see it going... ?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11298703

[Tazz]

Nope! I pretty much exclusively use the BBC and Al Jazeera apps since NZ reporting started slipping.

[mashman]

Meh... I'll rely on the gossip at work as it seems to be just as accurate.

[James Deuce]

Nope! I pretty much exclusively use the BBC and Al Jazeera apps since NZ reporting started slipping.

This! Perfect!

[Gremlin]

I can sorta see why they're doing it. We've recently had a free trial of the Herald (I imagine we were one of several million) and there was no way you could read the whole fricken thing. Hell, I didn't even read one of the papers, not even an article.

There was one awesome moment for it. Everything had just been recycled, no spare papers around, and I was desperate one Saturday morning. Sure enough, there's the weekend Herald in the box (still in the trial). Grabbed it, took an unimportant section out and used it as a stencil for some vinyl wrapping. Awesome.

Oh... still didn't read that paper of course. I do however, use the Herald app almost daily on my phone or tablet just to see the most important headlines, check the world exists etc. That news has to be created by someone, who has to be paid... However, I definitely don't need the news that badly, so I'm definitely not paying for it.

[Swoop]

...since NZ reporting started slipping.

What????!!!

Only a complete retard would rely on the Harold for anything more than some thugby information.
REAL news? Go elsewhere!

[Scuba_Steve]

Meh, I get most my news from KiwiBiker or Engadget; Both more respectable than NZ "mainstream news media"

[Voltaire]

I can sorta see why they're doing it. We've recently had a free trial of the Herald (I imagine we were one of several million) and there was no way you could read the whole fricken thing. Hell, I didn't even read one of the papers, not even an article.

There was one awesome moment for it. Everything had just been recycled, no spare papers around, and I was desperate one Saturday morning. Sure enough, there's the weekend Herald in the box (still in the trial). Grabbed it, took an unimportant section out and used it as a stencil for some vinyl wrapping. Awesome.

Oh... still didn't read that paper of course. I do however, use the Herald app almost daily on my phone or tablet just to see the most important headlines, check the world exists etc. That news has to be created by someone, who has to be paid... However, I definitely don't need the news that badly, so I'm definitely not paying for it.

I've got the free Herald too, seems to be mostly Womans Weakly type stories these days and lots of Harvey Norman and Noel Leeming adds.
Would I pay for it on-line....no.
For real in depth journalism I rely on TV 3 :rolleyes:
One minute you have Mike McRoberts in Palestine...the next you have Commonwealth Games.....

[MisterD]

No from me. I stopped reading The Times when they went paywall, luckily my phone seems immune to the Telegraph's which limits access on ipad and PC.

[Dobbin]

I was told at NetHui a couple of weeks ago that Stuff were pulling back on the idea of a paywall, and the Herald would be nuts to do it alone.

[Tazz]

The only 'pay for news' site you should ever actually pay for:

http://www.theonion.com/

[Blackbird]

I suppose Stuff will follow the Herald. We rightly criticise NZ broadsheets but just look at a selection of British news websites these days to see how much journalistic standards have slipped and how much political bias shows - bloody terrible. For business news reporting, I get the daily NZ Sharetrader news sheet emailed to me and also a specialist report from a financial adviser. Will have to rely on TV for general news if the Herald and Stuff turn into paid websites.

Being retired, it's amazing how little I give a f--k these days. Too busy having fun :niceone:

[Robbo]

No way will i be paying for the crap and misinformation that the harold publishes. Plenty of other sources for free and more acurate news stories.

[nerrrd]

Think you might all still be paying for it, just paying Telecom/Vodafone/google etc for access rather than content. Who knows, at some point they might have to set up their own news agencies/bureaus, since they might be the only ones left who can afford to do so (assuming the demand is still there).

Don't think I would pay to access a news site, but then I haven't had to yet, not sure how much I'd miss it.

[Motu]

I got the free Herald too - it's the same stuff as the website, and has made a shit load of paper to recycle. I'm not paying for TV, and I'm not paying for news - if they take it away from me, I don't care at all.

[Mental Trousers]

Pay walls very rarely work. Lots of our customers have looked at getting us to implement one for their digital content but a pay wall loses them money rather than making any. Unless the content is original, unique and indispensable to a very large number of customers everybody goes elsewhere. News sites are one of the worst to put behind a pay wall as there's so many others available.

[Gremlin]

Being retired, it's amazing how little I give a f--k these days. Too busy having fun :niceone:
Interesting Geoff. I remember my grandfather reading every paper cover to cover. However, this was a man who could avoid making his own toast... :lol:

I'm not even close to retired, so news is more of a filler, but as said, I wouldn't miss it.

[ellipsis]

...I'll just make up my own news, I'm sure I could do as good or be as accurate as the 'journos of today'...after all, I would be starting on the same footing as them, knowing fuck all facts and even getting them wrong...

[Blackbird]

Interesting Geoff. I remember my grandfather reading every paper cover to cover. However, this was a man who could avoid making his own toast... :lol:

I'm not even close to retired, so news is more of a filler, but as said, I wouldn't miss it.

Depends how busy you are Alan - I'm hardly Waiting for God as you well know :bleh:. I like to see how investments are doing to see how many more toys I can buy to deprive the kids of their inheritance but other news is pretty much secondary.

[Scuba_Steve]

While we're on the subject of "news", this just in


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U4Ha9HQvMo

[oldrider]

While we're on the subject of "news", this just in

Looks like a typical TV news broadcast in New Zealand to me! :corn:

[merv]

Sydney Morning Herald has done it to some content so I hardly go there at all now - I can't see any of them surviving at all if they start charging.

[ellipsis]

...to allow yourself to be mislead or more strongly, bullshitted to for free is silly...to pay for the service is absolutely ridiculous...

[ellipsis]

A Harley biker is visiting the zoo in Taronga Park , Sydney , when he sees a little girl leaning into the lions' cage.

Suddenly, a lion grabs her by the cuff of her jacket and tries to pull her inside, under the eyes of her screaming parents.

The biker jumps off his Harley, runs to the cage and hits the lion square on the nose with a powerful punch.

Whimpering from the pain, the lion jumps back, letting go of the girl, and the biker brings her to her terrified parents who thank him endlessly.

A reporter has watched the whole event. The reporter, addressing the Harley rider, says, "Sir, this was the most gallant and brave thing I've seen a man do in my whole life."

The Harley rider replies, "Why, it was nothing, really. The lion was behind bars. I just saw this little kid in danger and did the right thing."

The reporter says, "Well, I'll make sure this won't go unnoticed.
I'm a journalist, and tomorrow's paper will have this story on the front page. So, what do you do for a living and what political affiliation do you have?"

The biker replies, "I'm an SAS soldier just returned from Afghanistan and a Liberal party supporter."

The journalist leaves.

The following morning the biker buys the paper to see news of his actions, and reads, on the front page:

SAS SOLDIER ASSAULTS AFRICAN IMMIGRANT AND STEALS HIS LUNCH



That pretty much sums up most of the media's approach to the news these days.

[Banditbandit]

What????!!!

Only a complete retard would rely on the Harold for anything more than some thugby information.
REAL news? Go elsewhere!

You're not very bright are you ...

[Swoop]

You're not very bright are you ...

You are suggesting that the Harold is a serious, impartial reference that all kiwis should read?

I'm concerned that journalistic standards have dropped quite low. Editorial standards are equally bad.
For them to start adding a "readers comments" forum under a lot of articles, daily "polls" and the like (terribly important issues as well - "Who makes the best coffee", etc), it really becomes more of a tabloid and does itself no favours.

[oldrider]

You're not very bright are you ...

Strange response from you BB ... well I thought so anyway! :confused:

[R650R]

For them to start adding a "readers comments" forum under a lot of articles...


It's a damn pity then Hitler lost WWII, we nearly had a utopia where you'd never have to hear an opinion from any one else except the glorious leader... :scratch: :facepalm:
I hope you realise the irony of coming ontoa motorbike forum and voiving an opinion about how it sucks to have to read (actually you don't have to read them but I suspect you cant stop) other peoples opinions...

Overall the Herald isn't too bad but does pale compared to the Dominion Post which does have some pretty sharp and accurate info.
Half the problem these days is govt officials and police are too scared to make an official comment, hence replacement of news with speculation fuelling a vicious cycle...

At least they haven't gone full retard like Fairfax did with "Stuff Nation" which is actually part of a plan to end real journalism. Soon we will have Internet 2.0 with no news at all just corporate press releases...

[Robbo]

Another typical example of the Harolds crap reporting.

http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8881491/nz-herald-makes-jackass-mistake

Pay to read the facts??

Yeah Right!!

[oldrider]

I remember how indignant everybody was at the first suggestion of "pay TV" ..We are all using it today! (including me)

Soon there will be nobody who remembers otherwise!

I guess it will be the same for pay to read news on line ("paywalls"?) it will happen with or without this generations approval. :shifty:

When we were kids we soon learned it was easier to survive by finding the right place and swimming with the current to cross rivers in order to go forward!

It's hard to believe the amount of change we have faced in our short lifetime compared even to the generation immediately before us! :eek: .... :facepalm:

[JimO]

no................

[R650R]

I remember how indignant everybody was at the first suggestion of "pay TV" ..We are all using it today! (including me)



But you could access stuff you couldn't see before and there was lots of new content. Cancelled sky ages ago, only ever really had it for SBK and Discovery channel.
Now a lot of the cool docos are on free tv or youtube anyway...

But paywall news content, no thanks. And it will still prob have those annoying 15-30 sec ads... And news will still be available from lots of free sources...

[HenryDorsetCase]

I get all the news from KB. Its the bomb.

[Banditbandit]

Strange response from you BB ... well I thought so anyway! :confused:


Why???? Tazz wrote ...


Nope! I pretty much exclusively use the BBC and Al Jazeera apps since NZ reporting started slipping.

Swoop responded ...


What????!!!

Only a complete retard would rely on the Harold for anything more than some thugby information.
REAL news? Go elsewhere!

As Tazz said he didn't read the Harold, but used Al Jazeera and the Beeb it seems pretty clear that Swoop's response showed he had not understood Tazz's post ... he already said he went elsewhere ... not that bright really.

[Tazz]

I guess it will be the same for pay to read news on line ("paywalls"?) it will happen with or without this generations approval. :shifty:

When we were kids we soon learned it was easier to survive by finding the right place and swimming with the current to cross rivers in order to go forward!

It's hard to believe the amount of change we have faced in our short lifetime compared even to the generation immediately before us! :eek: .... :facepalm:

Hmm, I don't agree with that. I think with the way the internet is these days there will always be free news content. Hell half of the content comes from the public now because they are on scene with cellphones and cameras well before reporters, and more and more they are taking content from youtube and the like because people post it straight there rather than contacting a news agency first.
IMO you just have to look at the likes of Wiki to see that if all news went pay, someone somewhere would start a free site bringing all that information from the public to one source. Hell there are already sites like that pulling a bunch of stories from any news site on specific topics (food, science, politics etc etc).

And then there is radio/podcasts too.




As Tazz said he didn't read the Harold, but used Al Jazeera and the Beeb it seems pretty clear that Swoop's response showed he had not understood Tazz's post ... he already said he went elsewhere ... not that bright really.

Yeah I typed something out about that but just couldn't be bothered in the end :bash:

[oldrider]

Well to be honest I am finding it hard to keep up with technical development these days and we are starting to unlearn a lot of what life has taught us as well. :scratch:

Not a good look. :lol:

[R650R]

TVNZ trying to legalize theft. http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/court-battle-looms-over-carterton-balloon-tragedy-photos-6039689

The photographer created the images, owns them and they are not in the public domain. He helped the investigation out by allowing them access.
Now TVNZ wants to cash in on the ratings that showing the images will bring. If somehow they end up winning the case its a dark day for anyone who creates or holds any intellectual property rights in NZ.
If the police or coroners court have offered the images to TVNZ they should be charged with accessories with intent to commit theft.
There's nothing in the public interest to see the images, we've had plenty of info from the investigation and news as to what happened and have seen balloon disasters before. If the family need/want to see them I'm sure they can do that in private and the guy would agree to it.

[Banditbandit]

TVNZ trying to legalize theft. http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/court-battle-looms-over-carterton-balloon-tragedy-photos-6039689

The photographer created the images, owns them and they are not in the public domain. He helped the investigation out by allowing them access.
Now TVNZ wants to cash in on the ratings that showing the images will bring. If somehow they end up winning the case its a dark day for anyone who creates or holds any intellectual property rights in NZ.
If the police or coroners court have offered the images to TVNZ they should be charged with accessories with intent to commit theft.
There's nothing in the public interest to see the images, we've had plenty of info from the investigation and news as to what happened and have seen balloon disasters before. If the family need/want to see them I'm sure they can do that in private and the guy would agree to it.

Yeah maybe .. evidence that is presented in court is in the public domain ...

I do get the photographers argument - and I probably support it ...

But all evidence presented in court is already in the public domain ...

[240]

Driving around during the day I hear the news on the radio job done!

[R650R]

But all evidence presented in court is already in the public domain ...

Yes but lets say a rental car is part of the evidence in a murder trial. They don't go letting everyone drive around in it for free after the trial is over.
A bet TVNZ would be suing left right and centre if someone took all their footage and started selling DVD doco on it...
Funny when we've had all this demonizing od DotCom and megaupload for 'sharing' music files. Should the songs be free after being presented as evidence in court???

[Swoop]

Swoop responded ... As Tazz said he didn't read the Harold, but used Al Jazeera and the Beeb it seems pretty clear that Swoop's response showed he had not understood Tazz's post ... he already said he went elsewhere ... not that bright really.

Very well read, out of context though.

Responding to the opening post, Tazz said that essentially the Harold was crap and he sourced his news overseas.
The comment about the Harold's standards starting to slip was the issue, since they have been low for a very long time now. Only slightly better than a tabloid's standards and without tits on page 3 and bizarre headlines to attract readers!

Quote Originally Posted by Tazz
...since NZ reporting started slipping.

I'm in agreement with sourcing news from overseas, as my original post stated. "Real news, go elsewhere!".
Perhaps this wasn't clear enough to be construed as a reply to the OP?


Anyway. Done to death now.

[Banditbandit]

Yes but lets say a rental car is part of the evidence in a murder trial. They don't go letting everyone drive around in it for free after the trial is over.
A bet TVNZ would be suing left right and centre if someone took all their footage and started selling DVD doco on it...
Funny when we've had all this demonizing od DotCom and megaupload for 'sharing' music files. Should the songs be free after being presented as evidence in court???

The point is that trials are open and public events, and the public have the right to view all the evidence presented in a trial, unless it is suppressed by the judge (which can happen). That means that we al get to see the Justice Has Been Done.

(I'm sure you would get all angry and everything if evidence at trials was automatically suppressed .. you would have nothing to comment on),.

That does not mean that people get to drive a car which is evidence, but should be able to view it. Songs played as evidence can be played as part of the reporting of a trail (that's very different from making them now free of copyright).

Now - I get the photographer's argument, and I probably agree with it ... currently the law is that all evidence presented in court is in the public domain and can be reported on, shown etc etc in the news media ...

That does not mean I completely agree with the law ... but I'm sure al you upholders of the law want the law upheld .. don't you???

[Tazz]

TVNZ trying to legalize theft. http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/court-battle-looms-over-carterton-balloon-tragedy-photos-6039689

The photographer created the images, owns them and they are not in the public domain. He helped the investigation out by allowing them access.
Now TVNZ wants to cash in on the ratings that showing the images will bring. If somehow they end up winning the case its a dark day for anyone who creates or holds any intellectual property rights in NZ.
If the police or coroners court have offered the images to TVNZ they should be charged with accessories with intent to commit theft.
There's nothing in the public interest to see the images, we've had plenty of info from the investigation and news as to what happened and have seen balloon disasters before. If the family need/want to see them I'm sure they can do that in private and the guy would agree to it.

That's funny considering they want thousands for 10-15 seconds of their own footage (or other things) and some is not for sale at all....yet it's ok to steal others or bully it out of them. :niceone: