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400sm

25th July 2014, 19:53

Swoop

25th July 2014, 19:59

tri boy

25th July 2014, 20:01

Virago

25th July 2014, 20:03

I Would Like To Apologise For being A Westerner :-(

Apology accepted. Now fuck off.

Akzle

25th July 2014, 20:04

i'd like you to apologise for being a fucking douche. apologise by taking 2 trays of panadol and a case of kristov.

caseye

25th July 2014, 20:04

The Israelis seem to have conveniently forgotten what they were victims of over a half century ago.
Now they guilty of the same on the Arab/Muslim population.

Don't even get me started on the US&A . . .

Wait on, who keeps throwing missiles over the border, then gathering up civilians and stacking them around their precious terrorist facilities?
They have no choice, if they retaliate you and your ilk revile them, if they don't retaliate they get overrun on four sides by Arabs who will clean out their Nation in a heart beat.
Your'e name Tony Cuntilife?

Akzle

25th July 2014, 20:06

I normally avoid threads involving war and stupid human activities, but the Izzies have overstepped the mark this time.
Firing missiles into a UN school ground, which they clear GPS knowledge of is totally deplorable.
Neither side is innocent, but the children are.

that's whats been fucking me for days
"X israeli chilren killed" "xx palestinian children dead"

children have no politics. only old white money grubbing jew fucks have politics.

may they rot in hell.

allah yarhamu.

Akzle

25th July 2014, 20:07

overrun on four sides by Arabs who will clean out their Nation in a heart beat.

and good fucking riddance.

400sm

25th July 2014, 20:09

i'd like you to apologise for being a fucking douche. apologise by taking 2 trays of panadol and a case of kristov.

Start your OWN thread bo !!!!!!!!!!!!

400sm

25th July 2014, 20:11

Swoop

25th July 2014, 20:12

Wait on, who keeps throwing missiles over the border, then gathering up civilians and stacking them around their precious terrorist facilities?
A great plan is to store your terrorist rockets in schools, Red Cross buildings and mosques.
Hamas. Good people, eh? A violent minority who most of the population do not support.

400sm

25th July 2014, 20:14

Makes me wanna grow a beard, grab a gun and go and finish what the Little Austrian began . . .

sil3nt

25th July 2014, 20:16

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y58njT2oXfE

400sm

25th July 2014, 20:17

A great plan is to store your terrorist rockets in schools, Red Cross buildings and mosques.
Hamas. Good people, eh? A violent minority who most of the population do not support.

You are a TYPICAL Totally Indoctrinated Westerner ! :-((
or a little shit stirrer ;-)

Swoop

25th July 2014, 20:22

You are a TYPICAL Totally Indoctrinated Westerner ! :-((
or a little shit stirrer ;-)
Sorry, but no.
Firstly, I don't lap up the bullshit the common media pump out for idiots and sensationalist fools to believe.

Secondly, I have a much better access to information of a far more impartial basis than a few others. Only an idiot would look at the TV footage and believe even 20% of what they show. Perhaps you should get back to your Opera Winfrey and Shortarse St viewing.

unstuck

25th July 2014, 20:22

I Would Like To Apologise For being A man. Is what you should have stated, like that other fuckwit, cuntlips. :msn-wink:

Berries

25th July 2014, 20:29

I Would Like To Apologise For being A man.
You Are Forgiven.

tri boy

25th July 2014, 20:31

Only an idiot would look at the TV footage and believe even 20% of what they show. .

Call me an idiot mate, but the distress on the kids faces looked real to me.
Let the warring muppets go for it, but leave the innocents out.
Some dropkick OKed the firing.

Swoop

25th July 2014, 20:34

20 July 2014: The third war with Hamas continues. The first war was in 2009 and lasted three weeks. The one in 2012 went on for eight days and did not involve the use of ground troops. Hamas has controlled Gaza since 2007, two years after Israel relinquished control of Gaza as a good will gesture.

Hamas defines itself as existing mainly to destroy Israel and drive all Jews out of the Middle East. Hamas began as a branch of the Egyptian Moslem Brotherhood and the continued presence of any Egyptian Islamic terrorists in Gaza has made Egypt increasingly hostile to Hamas. In fact, for the first time, most Egyptians are backing Israel in their fight with Hamas and Egyptian media openly encourage Israel to destroy Hamas completely.

Egypt cooperates by sharing intelligence and sealing the Egyptian border with Gaza. But up until 2013 Egyptian officials tended to ignore the smuggling of weapons (especially rockets from Iran) into Gaza. This enabled Hamas to stockpile thousands of rockets, all in preparation for the final battle with Israel that will make Hamas the ruler of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank. At least that’s the plan. For the current war Hamas is trying to keep the Israeli air attacks going for as long as possible. Hamas believes that the new Palestinian civilian deaths each day will increase world media and diplomatic pressure on Israel to make peace on Hamas terms and allow Hamas to declare victory (at least in Arab and Moslem eyes). Israel is determined to avoid this. Hamas is also hostile to any peace efforts put forward by Egypt, which Hamas considers an ally of Israel.

Day 12 of the war with Hamas sees Israeli ground troops advancing into northern Gaza. So far over 350 Palestinians have died in Gaza, most of them Hamas members and the rest civilians. Five Israelis have died, two of them soldiers operating inside Gaza. Heeding Israeli warnings over 100,000 Gaza residents have fled their homes, mostly to stay with friends and family in southern Gaza. At least 50,000 Gazans are in UN run shelters. The UN has been as diligent as they are allowed to be in keeping Hamas gunmen and rockets out of these shelters. Israel earlier caught Hamas hiding rockets in an unoccupied UN building and the UN warned Hamas that actions like that make relations between Hamas and the UN more difficult. As a result of incidents like that the UN is less frequently taking the side of Hamas in the conflict. Meanwhile the Gazan population is becoming more open about their anger at Hamas. It’s not just the continued Hamas calls for civilians to voluntarily risk death by remaining in areas Israel has warned they will bomb. Gazans are also angry at how poorly Hamas has run Gaza. This is quite obvious in how badly the Hamas run medical facilities in Gaza are handling the nearly 3,000 people wounded by the Israeli bombing. Hamas leaders and gunmen are given priority and that means many women and children are hardly treated at all. There have been some public and very physical protests by Gazan civilians against Hamas over this.

So far Israeli warplanes have hit over 2,500 targets in Gaza and 44 percent of these strikes were against rocket launchers. Hamas has fired over 1,400 rockets at Israel so far, and would have fired more if Israeli bombing and artillery had not destroyed over a thousand rockets on the ground. Over 60,000 reservists have been mobilized and thousands of these are now operating inside Gaza.

Over a thousand air strikes were aborted because too many civilians were in the area. Israel would warn civilians with leaflets or even automated phone calls, to clear out to avoid a bomb strike. This was often to destroy rockets that were stored in residential areas. It was also common to find Hamas rockets stored in schools and mosques. These were attacked as well, especially when Hamas efforts to persuade civilians to serve as visible (from the air) human shields failed.
Hamas has long been a big believer in using civilians as human shields (often against their will). Israeli soldiers are not allowed to use civilians as human shields, even to protect Israeli soldiers from attacks by Palestinians. Hamas, on the other hand, encourages the use of human shields, and describes, in their training manuals, how best to do it. Lots of dead civilians are essential to Hamas success (in getting enough Western countries threatening Israel and forcing ceasefires and concessions). Much of what Hamas knows about using human shields it learned from Hezbollah up in Lebanon. There, Hezbollah has been using human shields for decades. Back in 2006 Israel released video and other evidence, showing how Hezbollah used civilians as human shields during rocket attacks on Israel. Hezbollah's attitude in response to this was largely one of, "so what?"

Hamas leaders regularly seek to avoid Israeli attack by surrounding themselves with human shields (Palestinian women and children) and increasing their efforts to keep hidden from Israeli intelligence. Gaza residents are always being accused by Hamas of spying for Israel and are regularly executed (often in error). Hamas really isn’t sure who is spying for Israel, only that such spies do exist and report the location of Hamas leaders at every opportunity. Many of these spies are not working for Israel as much as they are fighting Hamas. While Hamas can still generate cheering crowds to celebrate the latest Hamas victory, most Gazans feel otherwise and quietly wish the Hamas leadership dead. On the plus side, Hamas gains more popularity among Palestinians, especially those in the West Bank and anywhere outside Gaza, for all these rocket attacks. This puts Fatah, the long-time ruling party in the Palestinian Authority (and still considered corrupt and ineffective) at a disadvantage.

Hamas sees these wars more as media campaigns than military ones and they see victory achieved by getting more Palestinians killed. In the aftermath of the 2009 war Hamas lied regularly to exaggerate the nature and extent of their losses. For example, Palestinians claimed that the 22 day long 2009 War indiscriminately killed civilians. Hamas claimed that 1,434 Palestinians were killed. Hamas further claimed that only 235 were Hamas fighters, while another 239 were police officers, and 960 of the dead were civilians.

Hamas admitted that most of the "civilians" were men, mostly of military age. They also claimed that 121 of the dead civilians were women and 288 were children (defined as anyone under 18). It goes downhill from there. The Arab world unites behind these lies, and encourages all other Moslem nations to join them. Many Western nations, seeing a cheap way to ingratiate them with the Moslem world, join in. One thing Hamas and Fatah agree on is that over half a century of failed Palestinian (and Arab) efforts to destroy Israel is not their fault. They insist that Arabs are victims of a conspiracy by Jews and the West, to sustain Israel and keep the Arabs down. This is the core of Palestinian propaganda on all their media, and now accepted by many leftist supporters in West. Just another conspiracy theory, but one with thousands of heavily armed believers, who will kill if they get an opportunity. And trying to defend yourself against this is called oppressing the Palestinians.

Israel says that the ground offensive will last two weeks or more. One reason for this is the need to destroy the large number of tunnels Hamas has been digging from Gaza into Israel. So far Israeli troops have found 34 of these. This was made possible because the tunnel entrances could easily be found on the Gaza side. The exits on the Israeli side often did not exist because the tunnel builders stopped digging before they hit the surface on the Israeli side. The tunnel was only opened on the Israeli side when it was time to send armed men into Israel to kill Israelis or, if possible, take Israeli soldiers prisoner.

Before the ground invasion Israel knew of the Hamas tunnel operation but had only found four one them in the last two years. In March Israeli troops found one that was 1,800 meters long and extended 300 meters into Israel. Hamas dismissed this find as a tunnel that had been abandoned because of a partial collapse. But the Israelis said the tunnel had been worked on recently and equipment, like generators, was found in it. The tunnel was lined with reinforcing concrete and was 9-20 meters (30-63 feet) underground.

Three of these tunnels were near the town of Khan Younis and apparently part of a plan to kidnap Israelis for use in trades (for prisoner or whatever) with Israel. Israeli intelligence knew Hamas leaders were discussing a much larger tunnel program, involving dozens of tunnels. Most had no exits in Israel, yet. Available monitoring equipment was slow and often ineffective if there was no one actively working on the tunnel below. Hamas had been building and “stockpiling” these tunnels for at least two years and most of the completed ones could only be detected inside Gaza, where their entrances were. These were also hidden, at least from aerial observation. Israeli intelligence had discovered some of these entrances by detecting the Hamas activity around the entrances (entering and leaving, removing dirt). Hamas tried to hide this activity and Israel knew this meant they probably succeeded in some cases. Thus before the Israeli troops went into Gaza recently, commanders had lots of information of where to look. Israeli combat engineers had been trained to destroy the tunnels, which was not easy because Hamas had booby-trapped some of them.

mashman

25th July 2014, 20:35

I think they should settle it by turning it into the country it was before it was two country's. Or rock, paper, scissors.

Swoop

25th July 2014, 20:36

Call me an idiot mate, but the distress on the kids faces looked real to me.
Yup, have to agree.
Sadly the civilians get caught up in it all but the "media" can easily go to any hospital and get the same sort of footage time after time.
They don't focus on who cases the problem. Hamas.

R650R

25th July 2014, 20:37

I note this time the yanks are giving Israel plenty of rope to hang themselves on he works stage instead of pulling them back.
The amount of financial and military aid the usa gifts them a really crippling to their collapsing economy in the states. One wonders what will happen when the ISIS/alqueada fighters in Syria will do when done there, will they head south???
Israel has always been the wears defacto military base in the region, now that they own Libya and Iraq they don't need Israel...

A little history though, awhile after the Brits invented the state of Israel and took land from Palestine, which had been there for 2000 years on previous world maps, there was the six day war.
Fair enough have a proper shoot out with Egypt and Syria etc...
But after a war finishes its an international war crime to have military force occupying civilian areas.
Since then there has been about 171 UN resolutions telling Israel off for that and other crimes but nothing happens.
There are problems with terrorists in Afghanistan but we don't have USA or coalition forces indiscriminately bombing civilian areas.
This conflict will never end without intervention as original Israel doesn't have enough water or productive land to support itself, hence why it keeps pushing further into gaze and West Bank.

http://youtu.be/-evIyrrjTTY

pritch

25th July 2014, 21:07

Previously I have always sympathised with Israel and that goes back to the Six Day War and the Yom Kippur affair. Not now!

It doesn't help that the reporting we get is pathetic and the language used is umm creative(?). It has been reported that an Israeli soldier was kidnapped. A member of an invading force is captured, not kidnapped. The reports have referred to fighting, there has been minimal fighting - only killing. Most of the victims civilians, many of them children. The Israeli air force has been relentlessly bombing one of the most densely populated areas on the planet. Hamas has no anti aircraft defences whatsoever.
Basically this is just murder.

The Israelis told the inhabitants of Gaza to leave. Where the fuck were they supposed to go? Gaza is surrounded on land, anyone on the beach, including children playing, were killed so the beach wasn't an option. The Israeli Army would not permit anyone to leave the only available routes out. The last option was the UN area, so people went there in the hope of safety for themselves and their children, and now the Israelis have shelled the UN school.

The rockets that have been fired into Israel last I read had killed nobody. Not one person! A single rocket landed near Tel Aviv airport so international flights were cancelled. Israel insists there is no danger and that the flights should resume. If there is no danger why all the dead Palestinian children? In a word? Racism.

The only just outcome is for Netanyahu and whoever else is responsible to have a one way ticket to the Hague and face trial as war criminals.

BigAl

25th July 2014, 21:56

Shit they're only rag heads, albeit juvenile rag heads.

unstuck

26th July 2014, 07:54

You Are Forgiven.

Now your just making stuff up, this is KB, keep it factual.:2thumbsup

puddytat

26th July 2014, 20:34

Don't buy Soda stream or Hewlet Packard shit.

End game I think now.....Jews are going to take Gaza this time I reckon.
What with the Ukraine fuck fest & Iraq fuck fest & Afghan fuck fest thers no way we going to stop 'em unless its a really big bright flash.
With kicking the Palestinians out into the desert & into neighbouring countries they will help the Arabs to consolidate into a ragbag cohesion & they'll turn their combined forces back onto Israel.
Which is what the Jews want.

oneblackflag

26th July 2014, 20:58

Swoop

26th July 2014, 21:49

End game I think now.....Jews are going to take Gaza this time I reckon.
I doubt it.
They are concentrating on the destruction of the rocket storage facilities and trying to hunt down the top terrorists in hamas. Surgical strike operations, as per normal.

Flip

27th July 2014, 10:09

oldrider

27th July 2014, 11:32

All the Palestines have to do is stop attacking Israeli. Its really simple, Israeli is a Jewish state and I don't believe they have any interest in the Golan or Gaza areas.

Personally I hold Hamas 100% responsible for the latest police action. Stop trying to provoke Israeli into having to do something that will only hert the people of Palestine.

You obviously don't appreciate the situation that Palestine is in during any ceasfire the Israelis have got the whole Gaza strip in a strangulating noose!

Every border including the sea front is blockaded and totally controlled by Israel, the Palestinians cant shit fart or cough without Isreali authority or consent!

There is no truce for Palestine ... only Israel and on their terms ... thats why they keep throwing stones and rockets at the Israelis!

Israel will not be content until the Palestinians are gone and all their rubble replaced by Israeli settlers and settlements!

Read some history on how the whole stupid situation began and how it progressed to what it is today and you will find that Israel is the original aggressor!

R650R

27th July 2014, 12:16

Don't buy Soda stream or Hewlet Packard shit.

Or Motorola... Hellno moto its goodbye moto

mada

27th July 2014, 13:46

Hats off to Israel for creating a few thousand more "terrorists" for generations to come.

Death count 1000+ dead in Gaza, nearly 6000 wounded. Majority are civilians.

People can blame Hamas all they want, but that negates the rule of law (bringing perpetrators of crimes to justice) and international law which Israel with all its might, power, and technology should be able to follow but instead for decades has ignored. Israel's response is always disproportionate to Palestinian actions eg. when Palestine was trying to get UN recognition, Israel's response = build more fucking settlements on Palestinian land.

It is a war crime to collectively punish thousands of people for the actions of one or two extremists. Nowhere in history has an empire, country, or state massacred and maimed thousands to have then have the victims turn around with open arms and loving embrace to listen to the killing parties wishes.

All their actions have done has created thousands of recruits for extremists from those who have lost innocent kids, siblings and parents. Will not be surprised if ISIS raises its ugly head in Gaza from the families of innocent victims killed by the Israeli war machine.

Fuck you Israel for making the world a more unstable place.

And if you don't think it impacts on NZ, think again... We allow lots of Israeli's to come here after completing their IDF service on working holiday visas and secondly Israel loves getting its hands on kiwi passports (as we have visa-waiver entry to so many countries) for use by its spy's and assassins abroad - making kiwi passport holders targets more at risk when they travel overseas.

We should cut ties with their country like we did with South Africa. Ironic that Israel and Apartheid South Africa were such close friends.

mada

27th July 2014, 13:54

Da FUCK IS THIS?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqL048x4msM:mad::mad:

oldrider

27th July 2014, 16:18

When there is no authority to appeal to invent a god then invent some bull shit about being his chosen people, write it in a book and claim it as fact!

Then you can do what ever you like and blame it on god for it is his will ... can't be challenged by mere mortals!

Lies told often and long enough eventually become tomorrows truth! .. How do I know this? ... God told me! :wacko:

puddytat

27th July 2014, 19:39

All the Palestines have to do is stop attacking Israeli.
.

they possibly would if the Israeli people stopped pinching their land.....

I'd fuckin chuck rocks if they were doing the same thing here.

R650R

27th July 2014, 19:47

Will be interesting toi see how publicity this gets this time around.
The little known story of the American activist who went over there and got fatally run over by a bulldozer, they didn't see her, yeah right...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/19/rachel-corrie-case-reheard-israeli-supreme-court

mada

27th July 2014, 21:39

This is a good website... someone might have already posted it up.

Ex-IDF service men and women break their silence.

http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/

gammaguy

28th July 2014, 04:28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAN5GjJKAac

Maybe you will learn something by watching this....

jasonu

28th July 2014, 05:26

The Israelis seem to have conveniently forgotten what they were victims of over a half century ago.
Now they guilty of the same on the Arab/Muslim population. . .

Those cunts have been shooting at each other for years. Fuck 'em, they probably enjoy it.

oldrider

28th July 2014, 10:51

Maybe you will learn something by watching this....

All of this would not be happening now if Adolf Hitler was supported rather than defeated ... did the Jews defeat Hitler on their own? :oi-grr:

You would think so, the way they show their appreciation ... or were they always like that anyway ... hmmm, remember the Pharisee's? :stoogie:

Bet Jesus does! :blip:

Banditbandit

28th July 2014, 11:17

Hamas. Good people, eh? A violent minority who most of the population do not support.

Ummm .. Hamas is the currently ELECTED majority in the Palestinian Parliament.

In the January 2006 Palestinian parliamentary elections, Hamas won a decisive majority in the Palestinian Parliament, defeating the PLO-affiliated Fatah party. Following the elections, the Quartet (United States, Russia, United Nations, and European Union) conditioned future foreign assistance to the Palestinian Authority on the future government's commitment to nonviolence, recognition of the state of Israel, and acceptance of previous agreements.

Hamas resisted such changes, leading to Quartet suspension of its foreign assistance program and Israel imposing economic sanctions against the Hamas-led administration.

In March 2007 a national unity government, headed by Prime Minister Ismail Haniya of Hamas was briefly formed, but this failed to restart international financial assistance. Tensions over control of Palestinian security forces soon erupted into the 2007 Battle of Gaza, after which Hamas retained control of Gaza while its officials were ousted from government positions in the West Bank. Israel and Egypt then imposed an economic blockade on Gaza, on the grounds that Fatah forces were no longer providing security there.

In June 2008, as part of an Egyptian-brokered ceasefire, Hamas ceased rocket attacks on Israel and made some efforts to prevent attacks by other organizations.

After a four-month calm, the conflict escalated when Israel carried out a military action with the stated aim of preventing an abduction planned by Hamas, using a tunnel that had been dug under the border security fence, and killed seven Hamas operatives. In retaliation, Hamas attacked Israel with a barrage of rockets.

In late December 2008, Israel attacked Gaza, withdrawing its forces from the territory in mid-January 2009. After the Gaza War, Hamas continued to govern the Gaza Strip and Israel maintained its economic blockade.

On May 4, 2011, Hamas and Fatah announced a reconciliation agreement that provides for "creation of a joint caretaker Palestinian government" prior to national elections scheduled for 2012. According to Israeli news reports quoting Fatah leader Mahmoud Abbas, as a condition of joining the PLO, Khaled Meshaal agreed to discontinue the "armed struggle" against Israel and accept Palestinian statehood within the 1967 borders, alongside Israel.

Hostilities resumed between November 14-21, 2012.

On 12 June 2014, three Israeli teenagers were kidnapped and murdered. IDF initiated an operation in the West Bank aimed to find them (not until June 30 were their bodies found). Israeli authorities have named two Hamas members as prime suspects: Amer Abu Aysha and Marwan Kawasm. The increased tensions soon escalated, and a full military operation began on July 8.

Fault on both sides I reckon ... but killing children is unacceptable.

Swoop

28th July 2014, 12:49

Ummm .. Hamas is the currently ELECTED majority in the Palestinian Parliament.
Correct. Slightly difficult polling styles when armed people are "suggesting" that you might like to vote for their group...

It's also interesting how they have spent billions of dollars worth of foreign aid. In such a small area of land there should be fantastic hospitals and schools, but I guess nice fireworks are more fun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_aid_to_Palestinians

Banditbandit

28th July 2014, 12:53

It's also interesting how they have spent billions of dollars worth of foreign aid. In such a small area of land there should be fantastic hospitals and schools, [/url]

Umm .. there might be . if Israel stopped destroying schools and hospitals in bombing raids ... Oh wait - I know . the US funds them so that Israel can try out US weapons on them ..

Swoop

28th July 2014, 12:58

Umm .. there might be . if Israel stopped destroying schools and hospitals in bombing raids ... Oh wait - I know . the US funds them so that Israel can try out US weapons on them ..

Likewise with mosques and red crescent buildings.
I guess Hummus just left their rockets there by accident. Perhaps the delivery truck broke down at those locations so they decided to leave them there and hope they didn't get towed by the parking wardens?<_<

Katman

28th July 2014, 13:35

Likewise with mosques and red crescent buildings.
I guess Hummus just left their rockets there by accident. Perhaps the delivery truck broke down at those locations so they decided to leave them there and hope they didn't get towed by the parking wardens?<_<

Are you seriously suggesting that when the Israelis show video of explosives sitting in a spare Palestinian school classroom you don't stop for a minute and think ":rolleyes:Hmmm, really?"

You really are a gullible fool.

Scouse

28th July 2014, 13:57

Are you seriously suggesting that when the Israelis show video of explosives sitting in a spare Palestinian school classroom you don't stop for a minute and think ":rolleyes:Hmmm, really?"

You really are a gullible fool.Yea but don't forget that Swoop is a secret agent and he has more knowledge of the situation than all of us put together

pritch

28th July 2014, 13:59

I don't believe they have any interest in the Golan or Gaza areas.

They have major interest in both.

Israel will not want the Golan Heights returned to Syrian control because the Syrians used to lob artillery shells into Israel from there with ease. Israel took the hills, during the Six Day War IIRC, and they won't want them returned to Syrian control. Currently the area appears to be a under UN management.

Scouse

28th July 2014, 14:08

They have major interest in both.

Israel will not want the Golan Heights returned to Syrian control. Currently the area appears to be a under UN management.looked more under Israeli terrorism to me.

oldrider

28th July 2014, 15:56

They have major interest in both.

Israel will not want the Golan Heights returned to Syrian control because the Syrians used to lob artillery shells into Israel from there with ease. Israel took the hills, during the Six Day War IIRC, and they won't want them returned to Syrian control. Currently the area appears to be a under UN management.

looked more under Israeli terrorism to me.

The.... "UN" ... the most infective useless organisation ever invented! ... what useful thing have they ever done or achieved? Except spend other peoples money! :facepalm:

Swoop

28th July 2014, 16:31

Are you seriously suggesting that when the Israelis show video of explosives sitting in a spare Palestinian school classroom you don't stop for a minute and think ":rolleyes:Hmmm, really?"
So, are you suggesting that a large supply of quite large (2-3m long) rockets, located in a school, is merely just part of a children's "show and tell day"?

Flip

28th July 2014, 16:59

So, are you suggesting that a large supply of quite large (2-3m long) rockets, located in a school, is merely just part of a children's "show and tell day"?

Well it is when you go to Gaza High.

Flip

28th July 2014, 17:22

They are for the Rocket Science 101 class:innocent:

R650R

28th July 2014, 18:01

It's also interesting how they have spent billions of dollars worth of foreign aid. In such a small area of land there should be fantastic hospitals and schools, but I guess nice fireworks are more fun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_aid_to_Palestinians

Did you read all that link or just the stuff you liked.
Just because... Israel gets twice as much per head of population, then there's all the discounted military hardware.
If Israeli bulldozers weren't demolishing Palestinian homes, businesses and crops every day then they might not need so much aid...

http://terrasol.home.igc.org/mideast/bulldozer1.jpg

Akzle

28th July 2014, 18:03

Flip

28th July 2014, 22:28

Coming from you that means a lot...

No really it does.....

unstuck

29th July 2014, 05:35

The problem and the solution, or the question and the answer, are 2 different vibrations. You morons are still part of the problem.:facepalm:

Morons.

pritch

29th July 2014, 09:46

looked more under Israeli terrorism to me.

The Golan Heights are to the east, the border with Gaza is to the west. The two are a long way apart, the whole width of Israel is between them.

I looked at Swoop's line about surgical strikes and wondered about that. Photographs taken by western journalists in Gaza show that whole areas of the city have been flattened, I never saw anything less surgical.

Then again in the early hours of this morning the Israelis shelled another hospital. Maybe that's what they mean by "surgical strike". :whistle:

Crasherfromwayback

29th July 2014, 10:23

Sorry, but no.
Firstly, I don't lap up the bullshit the common media pump out for idiots and sensationalist fools to believe.

Secondly, I have a much better access to information of a far more impartial basis than a few others. Only an idiot would look at the TV footage and believe even 20% of what they show. Perhaps you should get back to your Opera Winfrey and Shortarse St viewing.

How many have been killed on each side?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1464083503838721&set=vb.100007112560963&type=2&theater

http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/11-images-showing-the-extent-of-israels-palestinian-apartheid/#.U9F0eyKM3YA.facebook

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/10322876/The-young-victims-of-war-in-Gaza-City

Scouse

29th July 2014, 10:53

The.... "UN" ... the most infective useless organisation ever invented! ... what useful thing have they ever done or achieved? Except spend other peoples money! :facepalm:you could say they put the un in uneffetive.

Crasherfromwayback

29th July 2014, 10:54

Oh look! Yep. Real fair.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

awa355

29th July 2014, 11:18

The.... "UN" ... the most infective useless organisation ever invented! ... what useful thing have they ever done or achieved? Except spend other peoples money! :facepalm:

Well, they did get Helen Clark out of the country. Other than that,:scratch:the UN is nothing more than a toothless tiger. Half the PC crap that has invaded our lives originated from the UN.

oldrider

29th July 2014, 11:40

Oh look! Yep. Real fair.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

Unfortunately the rest of the world simplistically believes it is all because Hammas fires rockets at Israel ... so why don't they just stop?

They fire the rockets and throw the stones because that is all they have left to protest with FFS!

Gaza Palestinians are totally oppressed by brutal Israeli occupation forces and Israeli settlers .. every bit as bad or worse than Nazi Germany!

If they stop firing rockets and throwing stones nothing changes for the Palestinians ... it only makes things more comfortable for Israel.

It's time for the world to wake up and get real about this situation. :yes:

Akzle

29th July 2014, 18:38

U
It's time for the world to wake up and get real about this situation. *kill all the jew cunts :yes:

. .

pritch

29th July 2014, 18:40

Unfortunately the rest of the world simplistically believes it is all because Hammas fires rockets at Israel ... so why don't they just stop?

Gaza Palestinians are totally oppressed by brutal Israeli occupation forces and Israeli settlers .. every bit as bad or worse than Nazi Germany!

It's time for the world to wake up and get real about this situation. :yes:

The world may be waking up. However slowly. Apparently the UN voted today on a motion to commence investigating Israel for war crimes. There were lots of "yes" votes, quite a few abstained, but just the one "no" - from the USA. (Neither NZ nor Israel got a vote.)

Oh, and Israel aren't blaming the rockets anymore, it's the tunnels now apparently.

After WWII Jewish people were fond of saying, "Never again." It is happening again, but this time it is they who are the perpetrators.
All this is making them very unpopular. Next thing they'll be complaining about anti-Semitism but it will be of their own doing.

R650R

29th July 2014, 18:46

Next thing they'll be complaining about anti-Semitism but it will be of their own doing.

That's their favourite distraction... They and the media fail to mention though there are plenty of Arabs and other cultures living in Israel as there are good job opportunities there for migrant workers. And then there are the other Jewish cultures around the world that are not at war with their neighbours.
People opposed are really anti-Zionism as that is the political ideology behind the problem to start with. But it doesn't make such a good media sound bite....

Swoop

29th July 2014, 20:08

I looked at Swoop's line about surgical strikes and wondered about that.
Referring to the type/s of munitions being dropped from the aircraft. The SDB's (small diameter bomb) being used are "light " in explosives (~100kg) with GPS guidance, compared to the Vietnam approach of 500lb bombs that were unguided.
The Apache also uses laser guidance systems for weapons. Presumably the Israeli leaflet drops are meant to get as many civilians out of an area prior to an operation commencing.

How many have been killed on each side?
Far, far too many.

Yesterday's footage of the schoolyard makes it look empty, but the witness reports indicate a lot of people outside against a wall when a mortar round impacted.
Operations look like continuing for some time yet, sadly.

mada

29th July 2014, 20:35

^^^ where they supposed to go to?

Most of the strip is being bombed.
The sea is blockaded.
The borders blockaded.
If they try and dig tunnels they will be labelled as "terrorists digging tunnels".
Playgrounds, Hospitals, Schools, and homes are not safe.

The only place left is the sky, maybe they should all try flying out of Gaza on hot air balloons and flying pigs? At which point they would be shot down by the IDF for being "human missiles".

Perhaps the Palestinians would be safer as human shields for the Israeli army???? Sounds like a good idea, round up all the kiddies and place them in front of Tanks and APC's just incase some pissed off family member who lost a love one decides to exact some revenge. I wonder where the Israeli's learned that from?

Ironic that all the evidence collected so far by independent sources shows that Israel is the main force that has used CHILDREN and CIVILIANS for human shields while conducting military operations..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield#Israeli-Palestinian_conflict

Banditbandit

30th July 2014, 10:56

Next thing they'll be complaining about anti-Semitism but it will be of their own doing.

The Palestinians are also a Semitic people ... as are all the Arabs ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semites

ellipsis

30th July 2014, 11:21

...a short interlude...lets go back to pre '45 when all was rosy...

<iframe src="//player.vimeo.com/video/50531435" width="500" height="281" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe>

R650R

31st July 2014, 08:13

Good vid that land one....

I hour timelapse showing systematic destruction of whole neighbourhood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdoYZ1-9XsM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2710868/Razing-Gaza-Before-satellite-images-true-devastation-Israels-bombardment-700-homes-mosques-turned-rubble-400-craters-blight-war-zone.html

Hinny

4th August 2014, 21:47

R650R

5th August 2014, 17:58

Aye tell em like it is cobber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eYVhQxcxhw

Hinny

6th August 2014, 09:41

.....

And if you don't think it impacts on NZ, think again... We allow lots of Israelis to come here after completing their IDF service on working holiday visas and secondly Israel loves getting its hands on kiwi passports (as we have visa-waiver entry to so many countries) for use by its spies and assassins abroad - making kiwi passport holders targets more at risk when they travel overseas.

We should cut ties with their country like we did with South Africa. Ironic that Israel and Apartheid South Africa were such close friends.

At the very least we should expel the Israeli Ambassador.
His arrogant apologist efforts on TV the other night were sickening.
Reminded me of Clayton Weatherston.

mashman

6th August 2014, 10:03

Aye tell em like it is cobber

George Galloway is fuckin awesome. They've tried to knock him down several times, but he keeps on truckin. Damn we could do with him running the country.

Swoop

6th August 2014, 13:20

Propagandist Cunt would be more accurate.
Huum.:scratch:
I can only seem to find "news" from the Gaza side of the border, so "propaganda" seems to be one sided and lacking a view from the other side of the wall (you know the one, it was built to keep the suicide bombers from popping over and killing innocent civilians in shopping areas? - Yes, that wall.)
The public has forgotten about that as well...

Hinny

6th August 2014, 14:23

Huum.:scratch:
I can only seem to find "news" from the Gaza side of the border, so "propaganda" seems to be one sided and lacking a view from the other side of the wall (you know the one, it was built to keep the suicide bombers from popping over and killing innocent civilians in shopping areas? - Yes, that wall.)
The public has forgotten about that as well...

You can only see one side because you only have one eye open.

Banditbandit

6th August 2014, 14:40

Huum.:scratch:
I can only seem to find "news" from the Gaza side of the border, so "propaganda" seems to be one sided and lacking a view from the other side of the wall (you know the one, it was built to keep the suicide bombers from popping over and killing innocent civilians in shopping areas? - Yes, that wall.)

And let's Israel kill women and children sheltering in UN schools ...

willytheekid

6th August 2014, 15:03

Fighting and killing each other for how many years?...killing women & children!!...over fucking LAND!
:facepalm:

crazy...the lot of them!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q
...and possibly the ONLY way to ensure lasting peace between both crazy groups :yes:

Hinny

6th August 2014, 15:07

John Key thinks we need the Israeli Ambassador here so we can tell him how distasteful we find the Israeli behaviour.
Any criticism of the govt. being too soft is just motivated by the nearness to an election in his book.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/israel/news/video.cfm?l_id=54&gal_objectid=11303826&gallery_id=144620

I think we should send the Israeli Ambassador home and not allow any Israelis into the country that have anything to do with the ruling party in the same way we restrict entry to Fijians with links to those we find 'distasteful'. Former IDF soldiers are clearly in that category as well.
'God's chosen people' have that mantra shoved down their throats since birth, and is, in my opinion, the reason they are perceived as being unbelievably arrogant and rude when they come here as tourists.
The quote:
"Jewish souls are worth so much more than Arab souls.
An Arab soul is worth less than a Cow's soul"
...may help to explain their inhumane treatment of the Palestinians.

This indoctrination doesn't appear to end with their citizens.
The ferocity of feeling that US politicians have towards Israel is mind boggling. eg Hillary Clinton warning that if Iran was to attack Israel the US would "wipe them off the face of the earth". How bizarre can you get?
Iran hasn't attacked anyone in 400 years and when they did that a couple of dozens Samarians saw them off. Netanyahu is spoiling for war with Iran and no doubt US corporates are keen for them to start a war there. Got their eye on the prize.
The US support for the rogue state of Israel illustrates how deeply embedded the Zionists are in the halls of power in Washington; and perhaps the brainwashing US politicians are subjected to.
The apologists on this forum illustrate the brainwashing we have been subjected to as well.
When the Israelis attacked Egypt in 1967 I believed they were defending themselves and were in the right.
When I saw photos of Israeli soldiers taking the gear off Egyptian soldiers, including their boots and water and sending them off into the Sinai desert to walk home, I was convinced that was a fair thing to do. It was portrayed in our media as being ok and I swallowed the story. So I can understand how some people may believe that Israel is right to be doing what it is in Gaza today. Because that is how the media portray it. Barack Obama stating that "Israel has a right to defend itself".

Of note, the average age of the people in Gaza is 17. They are mostly children.

Hinny

7th August 2014, 12:03

Current Israeli Ambassador to the United States, genuinely believes that only Israel exercises restraint and genuine humanity in its pursuit of war against the Palestinians. Ambassador Ron Dermer, who is extremely close to Prime Minister Netanyahu, suggested last week that the Israeli Defense Forces should be given a Nobel Peace Prize for its use of “knock on the roof” warning shots before they destroy homes that often house numerous members of extended families that are simply seeking shelter.
I guess that kind of equates with Obama receiving the Nobel Peace Prize.

noobi

7th August 2014, 12:20

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/ndtv-exclusive-how-hamas-assembles-and-fires-rockets-571033

Brett

7th August 2014, 12:34

Fuck off. Most people forget who has been sending explosives (unguided) into Israel for a fucking long time. Israelis built a wall around the place to keep retards with semtex vests out and have now put a roof over the top, named Iron Dome.

Remember that hamas are declared terrorists and who publicly state that the destruction of another country is their only aim - but carefully do NOT say this in English unless those dastardly westerners get the idea.

Fuckin A. If I was Israel, I would also have had enough of having rockets shot at me. Not the Israeli's fault that Hamas are a bunch of retards that can't click onto the fact that they cannot limit missile damage like the Israeli's do. Also...amusing how some of the "Palestinian/gaza casualty" footage is now being shown to have come out of Syria.

Brett

7th August 2014, 12:36

Unfortunately the rest of the world simplistically believes it is all because Hammas fires rockets at Israel ... so why don't they just stop?

They fire the rockets and throw the stones because that is all they have left to protest with FFS!

Gaza Palestinians are totally oppressed by brutal Israeli occupation forces and Israeli settlers .. every bit as bad or worse than Nazi Germany!

If they stop firing rockets and throwing stones nothing changes for the Palestinians ... it only makes things more comfortable for Israel.

It's time for the world to wake up and get real about this situation. :yes:

Not true. Israel left Gaza completely for an extended period of time, even forcibly evicted their own settlers who had settled over time into Gaza. Wasn't enough, the Palestinians started throwing rockets again and having a go at Israel. Comes down to one fact: Arabs want Israel obliterated. Any other excuse given is simply a cover.

Flip

7th August 2014, 12:48

Hamas set up and fire rockets from surburban areas with the full understanding that the Isralie forces can track the launch and direct accurate artilary fire back to the launch site even before the rocket has landed. I honestly believe that the Isralie forces are showing a great deal of restraint.

Swoop

7th August 2014, 13:17

You can only see one side because you only have one eye open.
Oddly, seeing both sides is quite possible. Knowing what has been going on in Gaza for quite a few years, and also the Israeli side too.

The cycloptic around here are watching their regular tv news and lapping it all up, without the other half of the context behind it all.

How much do you know about when Gaza was walled off and the Palestinian workers sent home? Who replaced them to do their jobs (since you will know that being sent home means no job, right?)?
So what do the replacements think?

----------Deliberate break here, so some people can grasp the slightly different topic approach...------------

At the end of it, nobody likes Israel having to do anything. Setting up Gaza so the Palestinians had their own territory and governance? Hamas takes over and gets them declared a terrorist organisation by the EU.
Billions in foreign aid gets spent on anything but aiding the people...

Katman

7th August 2014, 13:57

Anyone struggling to understand how Israel can justify the indiscriminate killing of children should read this.....

http://www.alternet.org/books/how-kill-goyim-and-influence-people

Tazz

7th August 2014, 14:02

I honestly believe that the Isralie forces are showing a great deal of restraint.

*insert quote below*

http://adamsmith.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/adam2.jpg

Banditbandit

7th August 2014, 14:38

Fuckin A. If I was Israel, I would also have had enough of having rockets shot at me. Not the Israeli's fault that Hamas are a bunch of retards that can't click onto the fact that they cannot limit missile damage like the Israeli's do. Also...amusing how some of the "Palestinian/gaza casualty" footage is now being shown to have come out of Syria.

Fisrt of all, I'm not especially picking on you Brett .. just this happens top be the last post of it's kind

Second, It's a complete cluster fuck ...fault on both sides ... not a good situation for anyone

But here .. this is a nasty, violent and brutal image .. (And not one that would be shown in the New Zealand news media) ...but I make no apology for posting it ... it hits you right in the guts - which is the point I want to make .. If this was your child hit by a "high-velocity Israeli weapon" ... I'd bet you'd want to get the fuckers who killed your child ...

http://cintayati.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/child-whose-head-was-blown-away-by-jewish-military-high-powered-weapon.jpg?w=474&h=315

And at the same time we have this ...

http://countercurrentnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Untitled-1.jpg

The Israelis are targeting children ... Maybe not as a nation, but certainly some of their troops ...

I can understand Israel wanting to defend itself .. using high velocity weapons (probably a sniper's rifle) against children is completely wrong ..

oldrider

7th August 2014, 14:41

Not true. Israel left Gaza completely for an extended period of time, even forcibly evicted their own settlers who had settled over time into Gaza. Wasn't enough, the Palestinians started throwing rockets again and having a go at Israel. Comes down to one fact: Arabs want Israel obliterated. Any other excuse given is simply a cover.

Hamas set up and fire rockets from surburban areas with the full understanding that the Isralie forces can track the launch and direct accurate artilary fire back to the launch site even before the rocket has landed. I honestly believe that the Isralie forces are showing a great deal of restraint.

You guy's simply read the banner that Zionism hangs out for your consumption ... your ignorance is not your fault! :no: Sad really! :mellow:

mashman

7th August 2014, 14:48

RACISTS ARE RAMPAGING THROUGH ISRAEL (http://www.vice.com/read/israeli-racism-gaza-kleinfeld-511)

Banditbandit

7th August 2014, 14:58

RACISTS ARE RAMPAGING THROUGH ISRAEL (http://www.vice.com/read/israeli-racism-gaza-kleinfeld-511)

That's scary - and puts it into perspective .. the Palestinians are fighting for their lives and freedom ... the Israelis are fighting because they hate the Arabs ...

Shit .. a real cluster fuck ..

mada

7th August 2014, 15:18

Yeh them Israelis are real peaceful and just want peace.....

Israeli official calls for concentration camps in Gaza and 'the conquest of the entire Gaza Strip, and annihilation of all fighting forces and their supporters'

Moshe Feiglin is Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Knesset
He posted the message on his Facebook page at the weekend Plan includes shipping the people living in Gaza across the world
IDF would 'exterminate nests of resistance' as part of his plan
The Gaza war has left more than 1,800 Palestinians dead

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2715466/Israeli-official-calls-concentration-camps-Gaza-conquest-entire-Gaza-Strip-annihilation-fighting-forces-supporters.html

This whole "hamas" started it and won't "recognise" Israel crap is a load bull. Hamas only came into existence due to Israel's actions in Gaza in 1987. Israel had occupied Gaza since the 60s. The claim that they won't ever recognise Israel because of a founding document nearly thirty years old is laughable.

Ask the Israeli's if they would ever recognise an independent Palestinian state? The response would be to build more fucking settlements on their land.

Here is the Deputy leader of their Parliament in his own free words:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/15326#.U-LpAtxgpFw

Ultimatum ï¿½ One warning from the Prime Minister of Israel to the enemy population, in which he announces that Israel is about to attack military targets in their area and urges those who are not involved and do not wish to be harmed to leave immediately. Sinai is not far from Gaza and they can leave. This will be the limit of Israelï¿½s humanitarian efforts. Hamas may unconditionally surrender and prevent the attack.

Attack ï¿½ Attack the entire ï¿½target bankï¿½ throughout Gaza with the IDFï¿½s maximum force (and not a tiny fraction of it) with all the conventional means at its disposal. All the military and infrastructural targets will be attacked with no consideration for ï¿½human shieldsï¿½ or ï¿½environmental damageï¿½. It is enough that we are hitting exact targets and that we gave them advance warning.

Siege ï¿½ Parallel to the above, a total siege on Gaza. Nothing will enter the area. Israel, however, will allow exit from Gaza. (Civilians may go to Sinai, fighters may surrender to IDF forces).

Defense ï¿½ Any place from which Israel or Israelï¿½s forces were attacked will be immediately attacked with full force and no consideration for ï¿½human shieldsï¿½ or ï¿½environmental damageï¿½.

Conquer ï¿½ After the IDF completes the "softening" of the targets with its fire-power, the IDF will conquer the entire Gaza, using all the means necessary to minimize any harm to our soldiers, with no other considerations.

Elimination- The GSS and IDF will thoroughly eliminate all armed enemies from Gaza. The enemy population that is innocent of wrong-doing and separated itself from the armed terrorists will be treated in accordance with international law and will be allowed to leave. Israel will generously aid those who wish to leave.

Sovereignty ï¿½ Gaza is part of our Land and we will remain there forever. Liberation of parts of our land forever is the only thing that justifies endangering our soldiers in battle to capture land. Subsequent to the elimination of terror from Gaza, it will become part of sovereign Israel and will be populated by Jews. This will also serve to ease the housing crisis in Israel. The coastal train line will be extended, as soon as possible, to reach the entire length of Gaza.

According to polls, most of the Arabs in Gaza wish to leave. Those who were not involved in anti-Israel activity will be offered a generous international emigration package. Those who choose to remain will receive permanent resident status. After a number of years of living in Israel and becoming accustomed to it, contingent on appropriate legislation in the Knesset and the authorization of the Minister of Interior, those who personally accept upon themselves Israelï¿½s rule, substance and way of life of the Jewish State in its Land, will be offered Israeli citizenship.

How about putting it all into CONTEXT.

A couple of hundred years from now, Maori's abroad have bad shit happen to them and are persecuted. Meanwhile in NZ we are controlled by the Chinese. Pakeha and Maori live side by side, both wanting their own nation, but neither wanting a nation dominated by each other. There are many riots between each other and killings. The Maori set up a number of terror groups that target the Chinese administration and local Pakeha population through car bombings, violence etc.

Eventually the Chinese after fighting a long war that they win against America no longer want to control NZ as its too expensive to maintain and administer. They decide to partition it up having some sympathy for the Maori and what occurred (and them having failed to prevent it). Despite there only being a couple of thousand Maori in NZ and millions of Palestinians, they give half of the country to the Maori. The local Pakeha are not happy about this arrangement as they will lose some of their own land and connection to areas they have been at for hundreds of years without reparation or input into the deal. They request aid from their Pakeha neighbours in Australia. Debate at the UN continues on how the portioning will occur. Meanwhile the Maori continue their terrorist bombing campaigns, blowing up the Skycity Conference centre killing hundreds of Chinese officials who were gambling at the time and innocent civilians.

Eventually the Chinese pull out and the Maori declare their independence. Under the partition plan they had been granted the whole of the North Island. While Pakeha would have the South Island. The Maori's then force all the Pakehas in the North Island out of their homes or face the consequences. A number of massacres take place on both sides, reminiscent of the movie UTU. Meanwhile the Australians invade, but a quickly routed and their armies destroyed. The Maori then push them back and occupy not only all the North Island, but the partitioned Pakeha South Island, they also take over Tasmania and Queensland. They decide rather than letting this land go to waste or letting the Pakeha get on with things, that they will build new settlements on all of these places. The inhabitants of Christchurch are forced to flee as their homes are bulldozed and the great Maori settlement of Kaiapoi is expanded. Maori then use their military to raid Pakeha houses and ensure that no Pakeha are hiding weapons or anti-Maori material.

Each time a Maori is killed or hurt, the Maori retaliate by killing 10 - 100 times more Pakeha. The Pakeha are enraged by this, with a small number of them turning to and supporting extremists who form together into armed bands of Associations of Citizens and Taxpayers (ACT). ACT then undertakes a campaign which is similar to the initial terrorist methods that the Maori used when they were fighting for independence - bombing military targets, attacking police etc. However this fails to get any traction, so they start targeting civilians too, like their Maori counterparts had decades before. So they start bombing night clubs, markets, etc. To get more support and international funding from their resource rich Australian and UK Pakeha cuzzies they claim they will not stop until they destroy Israel. And so it continues, and with each time the Maori forces kill a Pakeha or round up and raid innocent Pakeha's more Pakeha turn to the extremist cause and terrorism of ACT. And ACT continues to fight for Pakeha rights and independence taking inspiration from the American Revolutionaries who used to fight then blend in with civilians and launch attacks from civilian areas, and the Israeli Haganah, Stern Gang, and Irgun, and the Maori Tino Rangatiratanga movement.

The Maoris then separate the Southland Strip from the West Coast, claiming all the rest of the land as their own. They place a total blockade on Southland from sea, air, and land. ACT's presence is limited to Southland and in response they launch crude missile attacks. The missiles they use have an accuracy and effectiveness which is somewhere between a primary school kids spit ball and a high school kids spud launcher. Very few civilians are killed, especially children. ACT admit they don't care too much about Maori civilian areas because the Maori state forces all adult Maori into patched Mongrel Mob service at age 18 for three years and to remain as reserves for many years after.

If only the Pakeha could accept that Maori are entitled to their land and their own state as gods chosen people and a persecuted people. Maori should have the right to defend themselves - so each time one Maori is killed 1000s of Pakeha including children are rounded up and thrown into detention centres for hours, days, and weeks, without charges. Throwing of stones will no longer get a police warning, instead one will be subjected to dawn raids by the local Mongrel Mob chapter even if you did not actually participate. Pakeha have the power to stop supporting ACT, its all their fault.

Glad to see so many on here fully support the cause of Tino Rangatiratanga!:niceone::niceone:

JATZ

7th August 2014, 17:16

Yeh them Israelis are real peaceful and just want peace.....

LOTS OF WORDS......

Glad to see so many on here fully support the cause of Tino Rangatiratanga!:niceone::niceone:

Crikey :gob:
That's quite a story, didja make it up y'self ? :D

oldrider

7th August 2014, 17:26

Nothing of all of this is new, it is part of a Zionist plan that was apparently leaked many years ago!

I first read this (book form) in the 1950's and have tried to dismiss and refute it!

But historically they just keep on doing things that confirm that it is more likely to be the truth! (Gaza and recent middle East wars are no exception!)

Link: http://educate-yourself.org/cn/protocolsofsion.shtml#who

And updated again!

Link: http://www.rense.com/general49/prot.htm

If you take the time to read it all you will find that they (extreme Zionists) are right on cue with their New World Order. :niceone:

Not anti Jew in any way, .... all Jews are not Zionists but all Zionists are Jews.

Banditbandit

7th August 2014, 17:32

oldrider

7th August 2014, 17:47

I'm sorry but the Protocols of Zion are completed discredited as any kind of authentic statement of Zionist aspirations ..

Discredited by who? ... Its simply there for anyone to make up their own mind ... let them discredit it if they want to ... free choice!

Brett

7th August 2014, 18:28

Virago

7th August 2014, 18:35

I wondered how long it would take for the "New World Order" conspiracy wankfest to surface.

oldrider

7th August 2014, 18:40

I wondered how long it would take for the "New World Order" conspiracy wankfest to surface.

Not very observant are you, it never left!

R650R

7th August 2014, 18:58

How about putting it all into CONTEXT.

Except the Jews/Israelis were never in Palestine in the preceding thousands of years of world history at all. The promised land was always just a fable in their version of the bible.
There are actually about 3-4 different sects of Jews from all over Europe and central asia and they lived a nomadic gypsy style existence, tolerated just by most old nations.

And with regards to someone elses post, they are not racist in the sense we know of. They don't hate the Palestinians because their arabs, they hate them because they are GOY (alien, as in the way maori use the term pakeha). Anyone who is not an Israeli is regarded as sub human Goy, something the poor americans will find out once the Israeli lobby over there is done bleeding them dry through subsidies and loans...

And in todays news it seems the bloodied baby killing money of Israel is as good as anyone elses money for our local Iwi.
They want to export Fish to them to keep those hungry soldiers well fed...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=11305252

mashman

7th August 2014, 19:20

Shit .. a real cluster fuck ..

Succinctly put... but not a cluster fuck as all is going according to plan.

oldrider

7th August 2014, 20:08

mashman

7th August 2014, 21:17

Hows this for demonstrating who is the tail and who is the dog between Israel and the US!

Netenyahu puts Obama firmly in his place! http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/03/373918/us-is-a-controlled-puppet-of-israel/

United States of ISRAEL and maybe America, please Ben I promise be a good boy and do as you say!

There's only 1 quick way I can think of to remove the vast majority of their toys. Who knows, they may even see the point in it and just enjoy what they have blah blah blah money rant with reason blah blah blah.

oldrider

7th August 2014, 22:06

Alison Weir an unbiased American who just stumbled into the situation in Palestine and was compelled to explore the reality and the history from the beginning!

Hear her story about "The hidden history of how the United States was used to create Israel". (it is long you can begin just before halfway and still get the gist)

Link: http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/alison-weir-the-hidden-history-of-how-the-us-was-used-to-cre.html

If you are interested in this subject it is very interesting to hear her compilation of historic events and outcomes.

AllanB

7th August 2014, 22:33

That side of the World and their beliefs are vastly different to old NZ. Ditto a pile of other countries repeatedly maiming each other over religion or land.

Pointless trying to rationalize it with 'our' way of living as it is fundamentally different.

Banditbandit

8th August 2014, 09:23

If those statements and facts regarding targeting of children is correct (which I am rather unsure about given the amount of misinformation that is being generated and sold as fact and news by the various news sources) then that is categorically wrong and horrendous and completely inexcusable in my view and opinion.

That said, in any war there will be those on either side of the rift that are evil people capable of carrying out even actions. War allows those who exist amongst us who have a general disposition towards hurting other people and enjoying their "blood lust" to have an outlet where they are more than likely to get away with it. This will be true of EVERY NATION, RELIGION & PEOPLE ON EARTH. To base your contentions or view around a specific war simply around the acts of individual people who would be fucked up, evil sods no matter which side they are on is a very narrow way to view a situation and is, simply put, fraught with leaking holes.

One other thing. It isn't the Jews who you see in fundamentalist groups calling for the blood of "westerners" or "infidels". Don't be confused for one fucking minute. There are radical groups in Islam (which is, unfortunately, over -represented) who would happily slice your and my throats along with those of our partners, wives and children. They state it themselves. (Note - I am not talking about all Arabs or muslims here...there are many just like us). Have a look at some of the absolute atrocities that they are willing to perpetrate on "unbelievers" ...and they BELIEVE that they are honoring God by doing so. I don't recall EVER hearing of Israel talking about us (Westerners / non-Muslims) that way. In fact, they have traditionally looked at us as somewhat allies.

Don't believe me? Try travelling to Israel and then go visit some Fundamentalist Muslim states. Let me know your thoughts when/if you make it back alive.

I continue to be sad for the suffering of all of the many innocent people that inevitably get caught up in war, but I make absolutely no apology for my opposition of Hamas and any other groups like them, nor my support in general for Israel. I hope that cunt who (allegedly) is taking shots at Palestinian children get a lead enema.

I agree with most of what you say. There are nasty violent and criminal action son both sides ... I fail to see how you can choose the side of Israel .. they are no better, or no worse than the Palestinians ... I don't support either side in this one ..

The silly fuckers should just stop all this crap.

Except the Jews/Israelis were never in Palestine in the preceding thousands of years of world history at all. The promised land was always just a fable in their version of the bible.
There are actually about 3-4 different sects of Jews from all over Europe and central asia and they lived a nomadic gypsy style existence, tolerated just by most old nations.

Hmm .. let's see ..

It's certainly true that the slaves of Egypt rebelled (that's in the Egyptian records) and fled north into the area across the Red Sea.

It's certainly true that in this area, there was a small area known as Judah when the Romans took it over ... somewhere back in the BCE time ... It was NOT exclusively occupied by the religious group now known as Jews ... It was certainly occupied by almost all the people of group we know call Jews (a little different from the nation/state of Israel.)

In 70AD, after numerous rebellions, the Romans got pissed off with the people of Judah and basically chucked them out. Destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem (all that is left is the Wailing Wall) and exiled the Jews .. that's when they become the nomads and gypsies that you describe - because no-one wanted them ... That happened in the AD period, so the religious gfroup have been there for at least 2,000 thousand years ... (Check the Roman writings - this is not reliant on the biblical myth ...)

Yes, there are Hazidic and Seraphim Jews - Ashkanaze (spelling? Can't be fucked ...) .. all developed post the Diaspora of 70AD, just like the numerous sects of Christianity ...

Does that give the descendants of the Diaspora people to claim, nearly 2,000 years later, that it is "their land? .. I have no idea ... they took it by force and terrorism ... which is exactly what all humans do ..

And with regards to someone elses post, they are not racist in the sense we know of. They don't hate the Palestinians because their arabs, they hate them because they are GOY (alien, as in the way maori use the term pakeha). Anyone who is not an Israeli is regarded as sub human Goy, something the poor americans will find out once the Israeli lobby over there is done bleeding them dry through subsidies and loans...

And in todays news it seems the bloodied baby killing money of Israel is as good as anyone elses money for our local Iwi.
They want to export Fish to them to keep those hungry soldiers well fed...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=11305252

We have well learnt, from people like DonKey, that money is the most important thing ...

Like here .. Russia is embargoing food imports from many countries .. BUT will take lamb and cheese from New Zealand ...

Poor old DonKey ... he must not know whether to be annoyed because he wants to be seen to be supporting the USA .. AND at the same time he will be rubbing his hands with glee because we have a huge market opening up for us .. just when we need it ...

How torn is he I wonder ??

ellipsis

8th August 2014, 10:50

How torn is he I wonder ??

...he has numerous professionals surrounding him who are good with glue and touch up's, so we will never know...his smile will always be manufactured well and not slip...

Brett

8th August 2014, 18:10

I agree with most of what you say. There are nasty violent and criminal action son both sides ... I fail to see how you can choose the side of Israel .. they are no better, or no worse than the Palestinians ... I don't support either side in this one ..

The silly fuckers should just stop all this crap.

Because my view of Israel is around larger matters than simply this current Gaza/Palestine issue. Simply:

1) As a gross generalisation, the Arab/Muslim world have little time for us Westerners.
2) This morning on Aljazeera, reporting in Iran that Fundamentalist Muslims are again rocking around the countryside attacking another religious faction who will not convert to Islam, killing many and raping many of the women.
3) Israel are not the ones I ever have to worry about strapping a vest on and walking into somewhere where I and my family are and becoming Ahmed Chick BOOOOOOOM.
4) Who broke this latest ceasefire? Gaza fired the first missiles AGAIN after mediation was not successful.
5) Why are Israel even in Gaza? Because when they were given the land under the original accord in the 1940's the Arab Nations took exception to this, thus ganging up on the tiny nation and the 6 day war ensued where Israel handed them their arses and sent them packing - taking some additional land in the process. Again, their neighbours took the first strike, Israel finished the fight.

I really could go on for a long time.

mada

8th August 2014, 18:43

Because my view of Israel is around larger matters than simply this current Gaza/Palestine issue. Simply:

1) As a gross generalisation, the Arab/Muslim world have little time for us Westerners.
2) This morning on Aljazeera, reporting in Iran that Fundamentalist Muslims are again rocking around the countryside attacking another religious faction who will not convert to Islam, killing many and raping many of the women.
3) Israel are not the ones I ever have to worry about strapping a vest on and walking into somewhere where I and my family are and becoming Ahmed Chick BOOOOOOOM.
4) Who broke this latest ceasefire? Gaza fired the first missiles AGAIN after mediation was not successful.
5) Why are Israel even in Gaza? Because when they were given the land under the original accord in the 1940's the Arab Nations took exception to this, thus ganging up on the tiny nation and the 6 day war ensued where Israel handed them their arses and sent them packing - taking some additional land in the process. Again, their neighbours took the first strike, Israel finished the fight.

I really could go on for a long time.

A quick question, has there ever been democracy in the arab/muslim world? What do you think happens to peoples perceptions of the west when democracy is suppressed and countries such as UK/US support mass murderers?
Lastly, hundreds of thousands of people witness their family members getting blown up, killed and maimed, if it was you - you wouldn't seek revenge?

Ocean1

8th August 2014, 19:11

A quick question, has there ever been democracy in the arab/muslim world?

Yes. Ibadites. Several different flavours since at least the 8th century. Plenty of other examples from many different tribes from pretty much all of recorded history.

mada

8th August 2014, 19:15

Yes. Ibadites. Several different flavours since at least the 8th century. Plenty of other examples from many different tribes from pretty much all of recorded history.

Yep. How much of hotbed would Iran be if democracy and Mohammad Mosaddegh had not been overthrown. :facepalm: Oil and resources are always worth more than democracy.

Ocean1

8th August 2014, 19:27

Yep. How much of hotbed would Iran be if democracy and Mohammad Mosaddegh had not been overthrown. :facepalm: Oil and resources are always worth more than democracy.

Pointless argument is pointless.

Tribal democracies are common. What's not common is geographically exclusive areas where tribal democracies are a majority.

Count yourself lucky.

puddytat

8th August 2014, 19:43

Here's the final solution.......299828

mashman

8th August 2014, 21:02

Here's the final solution.......299828

Cannot spread. Perhaps they could move into the ghost cities of China.

puddytat

8th August 2014, 23:18

oldrider

8th August 2014, 23:28

Chicago is vacant as well...
China doesn't really like the Uigar much or any upstart minority staking a claim.
The jews will fit right in , in the good ole land of Uncle Sam & it'll make it a lot easier to visit their rellies.

They are already well ensconsed there especially into New York and their Zionist movement is in control of the USA anyway, have been for years! :yes:

Brett

9th August 2014, 14:20

A quick question, has there ever been democracy in the arab/muslim world? What do you think happens to peoples perceptions of the west when democracy is suppressed and countries such as UK/US support mass murderers?
Lastly, hundreds of thousands of people witness their family members getting blown up, killed and maimed, if it was you - you wouldn't seek revenge?

1st bit - Rather wide question to tackle in this post given my current time...needless to say, a bit complicated.

2nd - yes I would, and that swings both ways. I go back to exactly WHO it was that through the first stone and continues to do so.

Brett

9th August 2014, 14:21

Pointless argument is pointless.

Tribal democracies are common. What's not common is geographically exclusive areas where tribal democracies are a majority.

Count yourself lucky.

Quite a true statement actually.

Katman

9th August 2014, 16:23

I go back to exactly WHO it was that through the first stone and continues to do so.

I doubt that even the Israelis or Palestinians remember who threw the first stone.

It's a bit rich you suggesting that you know with any degree of certainty.

mada

9th August 2014, 21:23

I doubt that even the Israelis or Palestinians remember who threw the first stone.

It's a bit rich you suggesting that you know with any degree of certainty.

Exactly...

Irgun existed well before Hamas.

It certainly doesn't justify killing innocent women or kids 50 years later.

And if the West wants to try and halt Islamic extremism then they could stop Israel breeding more through its current collective punishment strategy - but also stop funding regimes which oppress and oppose democracy in the Middle East and stop protecting and trading with the oil barons (Saudis, and Qatar) who end up financing most of the terror groups from Somalia to Afganistan. :facepalm:

oldrider

9th August 2014, 21:33

1st bit - Rather wide question to tackle in this post given my current time...needless to say, a bit complicated.

2nd - yes I would, and that swings both ways. I go back to exactly WHO it was that through the first stone and continues to do so.

IMHO that is a fair and historically valid question.

Prior to the commencement of clandestine (Zionist inspired) terrorist activities in Palestine (first under Ottoman then British rule) the mixed people of Palestine were living in relatively peaceful coexistence!

Link to list of terrorist atrocities: http://www.rense.com/general21/pastzionist.htm

And here (there are so many!) : http://www.wrmea.org/wrmea-archives/283-washington-report-archives-2006-2010/may-june-2006/5987-hamas-a-pale-image-of-the-jewish-irgun-and-lehi-ga

Therefore it would be factually and historically correct to suggest that it was the physical founders (Zionists) of the current Israel nation that cast the first stone! :wait:

ellipsis

9th August 2014, 22:18

...maybe it was the stone that David , the True King of the Israelites, slung and slew Goliath, when Sauls army faced the Philistines near the Valley of Elah...if so, weeeeeel...

Banditbandit

11th August 2014, 09:33

A quick question, has there ever been democracy in the arab/muslim world? What do you think happens to peoples perceptions of the west when democracy is suppressed and countries such as UK/US support mass murderers?
Lastly, hundreds of thousands of people witness their family members getting blown up, killed and maimed, if it was you - you wouldn't seek revenge?

Yes ... Egypt had elections recently - (post-Mubarak) the Muslim Brotherhood won ... and then were thrown out by the army ...

Gaza had elections - Hamas won ... the western powers then branded them "terrorists" ...

Brett

11th August 2014, 19:53

I doubt that even the Israelis or Palestinians remember who threw the first stone.

It's a bit rich you suggesting that you know with any degree of certainty.

I never said I knew with any significant degree of certainty. I know enough to have formed my own opinion which I am very much entitled to do. I also go back very simply to exactly who it is that keeps wanting to rub myself and my family and friends from this earth...and it ain't the Jews.

oldrider

11th August 2014, 20:07

I never said I knew with any significant degree of certainty. I know enough to have formed my own opinion which I am very much entitled to do. I also go back very simply to exactly who it is that keeps wanting to rub myself and my family and friends from this earth...and it ain't the Jews.

Jews who are Zionist leaders may dispute your opinions but not your right to hold and voice them, at least for the time being anyway. Just don't get in their way! :mellow:

ellipsis

12th August 2014, 10:23

wipe (us infidels) from this earth...and it ain't the Jews.

...that is the avowed policy of our muslim 'friends', and we should not forget it...payback from 1099 and what followed...

oldrider

13th August 2014, 15:22

Otago Daily Times Article today!: http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/312441/holocaust-survivor-tells-his-story

Sad story true! ... Feel real sympathy but it says this:

"A holocaust survivor visiting Dunedin hopes sharing his experience will help ensure the horrors he experienced are not repeated". :oi-grr:

So why doesn't he stay at home in Israel and preach to people (His own people) who are doing it all again in Gaza? :shifty:

Brett

14th August 2014, 09:28

Cease-fire broken again...guess by who.....

mashman

14th August 2014, 09:34

Cease-fire broken again...guess by who.....

Israeli special forces firing rockets from Gaza into Israel?

unstuck

14th August 2014, 10:27

Cease-fire broken again...guess by who.....

Ronald Mcdonald?

oldrider

14th August 2014, 14:15

Cease-fire broken again...guess by who.....

Israeli special forces firing rockets from Gaza into Israel?

Well yes, they are the only ones who can get any benefit out of it ... the Palestinians are screwed down so fucking tight!

It gives Israel a legitimacy to continue their destruction and genocidal butchery of the Palestinians, once and for all! :shifty:

Maybe it was them all along! :eek:

mashman

14th August 2014, 17:31

Well yes, they are the only ones who can get any benefit out of it ... the Palestinians are screwed down so fucking tight!

It gives Israel a legitimacy to continue their destruction and genocidal butchery of the Palestinians, once and for all! :shifty:

Maybe it was them all along! :eek:

Do you reckon they really destroyed the tunnels? If you went to war to prevent war (it's possible if you think about it $$$$$$$$$$$), you wouldn't destroy them would you. You'd make sure that you controlled them as they are a trade route (I remember seeing a piece on the tunnels and how they ship goods into Palestine. KFC. Delivered. Damn they're civilised.). Some tactics never change. They're a money spinner whichever way you look at them (from weapons sales, to GST on goods coming through the tunnels... after all, if you let them die it's genocide. The only legitimate alternative is war.).

mashman

14th August 2014, 17:34

Ronald Mcdonald?

Nah. Sideshow Bob :shifty: Just smooth the hair back and add makeup and a costume :laugh:.

unstuck

14th August 2014, 18:11

Nah. Sideshow Bob :shifty: Just smooth the hair back and add makeup and a costume :laugh:.

Meh, they are all clowns in a freak show anyway.

Hinny

16th August 2014, 10:38

their neighbours took the first strike, Israel finished the fight.

Who started the Six day war?
According to the US Office of Current Intelligence, Wikipedia et. al. it was Israel.
The Israeli Navy started the operation with a probe of Egyptian Naval defences.
The Air Force attacked Egyptian Airfields and the Army invaded the Egyptian defencive positions in the Gaza strip and Sinai desert.

Hinny

16th August 2014, 12:07

Hinny

16th August 2014, 12:18

Because my view of Israel is around larger matters than simply this current Gaza/Palestine issue. Simply:

1) As a gross generalisation, the Arab/Muslim world have little time for us Westerners.
2) This morning on Aljazeera, reporting in Iran that Fundamentalist Muslims are again rocking around the countryside attacking another religious faction who will not convert to Islam, killing many and raping many of the women.
3) Israel are not the ones I ever have to worry about strapping a vest on and walking into somewhere where I and my family are and becoming Ahmed Chick BOOOOOOOM.
4) Who broke this latest ceasefire? Gaza fired the first missiles AGAIN after mediation was not successful.
5) Why are Israel even in Gaza? Because when they were given the land under the original accord in the 1940's the Arab Nations took exception to this, thus ganging up on the tiny nation and the 6 day war ensued where Israel handed them their arses and sent them packing - taking some additional land in the process. Again, their neighbours took the first strike, Israel finished the fight.

I really could go on for a long time.

1 Clearly you have never been to an Arab/Muslim country.

2 Of the many travelogue books I have read of those writers who have expressed an opinion on their favourite country the majority have chosen Iran.

3 Do you seriously worry about Palestinians strapping a vest on and walking into somewhere where I and my family are and becoming Ahmed Chick BOOOOOOOM.

4 Mediation - ha! now there's a new word for it.

5 Why are Israel even in Gaza? They were not, as you state given the land under the original 'accord'.

I can appreciate how you might feel sympathy for Israel given your mistaken beliefs outlined above.
I suggest you do a bit more research and you might change your opinion.

oldrider

16th August 2014, 12:43

Any truce only effects Israel ... nothing changes for Gaza ... (that is the part most observers do not appreciate!) ... so that is why they continue to throw stones! :brick:

Ocean1

16th August 2014, 14:21

Of the many travelogue books I have read of those writers who have expressed an opinion on their favourite country the majority have chosen Iran.

Fuck, that must be what, three carefully selected Iranian tourism travel brochures?

I don't think you can even call it confirmation bias when you're consciously selecting your material to that extent, most would probably call it politics.

mashman

16th August 2014, 15:45

Fuck, that must be what, three carefully selected Iranian tourism travel brochures?

I don't think you can even call it confirmation bias when you're consciously selecting your material to that extent, most would probably call it politics.

A country is only as bad as its culture is and countryside. I think the place looks stunning. However I'd likely be brandished as a Jihadist and thrown in the clink ;). I can think of a bad taste joke about taking my girls headhunting.

Brett

18th August 2014, 20:19

[QUOTE=Brett;1130756774]...

One other thing. It isn't the Jews who you see in fundamentalist groups calling for the blood of "westerners" or "infidels".

QUOTE]

Oh, so because Jews are not calling for the blood of "westerners" they are OK.

As a Westerner...it's a pretty fuckin good start in my books. I am willing to side with those who don't want to kill me much more readily than cunts that would like to behead me...kinda self preservation instinct ya know?

Brett

18th August 2014, 20:20

1 Clearly you have never been to an Arab/Muslim country.

2 Of the many travelogue books I have read of those writers who have expressed an opinion on their favourite country the majority have chosen Iran.

3 Do you seriously worry about Palestinians strapping a vest on and walking into somewhere where I and my family are and becoming Ahmed Chick BOOOOOOOM.

4 Mediation - ha! now there's a new word for it.

5 Why are Israel even in Gaza? They were not, as you state given the land under the original 'accord'.

I can appreciate how you might feel sympathy for Israel given your mistaken beliefs outlined above.
I suggest you do a bit more research and you might change your opinion.

1) Wrong.
2) I don't disagree that there are MANY Muslim nations that are bloody fantastic. I also happen to believe that there is nothing wrong with Muslims. It's the fanatics that get up my penis.
3) Not really...but if it were to happen I know which flavour it's likely to come from. (Which could include Indonesia to be honest).
4) Ok.
5) Not Gaza no, and I never claimed that. They took Gaza arguably during the 6 day war.

You taking a shining to me sweetheart?

Brett

18th August 2014, 20:25

To the corollary Hinny me old mate...talking like a sage, what are YOUR grand experiences that allow you to think the way that you do?

oldrider

18th August 2014, 21:36

1) Wrong.
2) I don't disagree that there are MANY Muslim nations that are bloody fantastic. I also happen to believe that there is nothing wrong with Muslims. It's the fanatics that get up my penis.
3) Not really...but if it were to happen I know which flavour it's likely to come from. (Which could include Indonesia to be honest).
4) Ok.
5) Not Gaza no, and I never claimed that. They took Gaza arguably during the 6 day war.

Another conflicting point of view from that of sage Brett: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xe5cQDIbMs

Brett

19th August 2014, 09:08

Another conflicting point of view from that of sage Brett:

You won't have to look hard to find conflicting views no matter which side of the fence you're on...their are more opinions out there than arse holes mate.

oldrider

19th August 2014, 09:14

You won't have to look hard to find conflicting views no matter which side of the fence you're on...their are more opinions out there than arse holes mate.

Very true.

mstriumph

19th August 2014, 10:35

..................... blah, blah

The rockets that have been fired into Israel last I read had killed nobody. Not one person! A single rocket landed near Tel Aviv airport so international flights were cancelled. Israel insists there is no danger and that the flights should resume. If there is no danger why all the dead Palestinian children? In a word? Racism.

The only just outcome is for Netanyahu and whoever else is responsible to have a one way ticket to the Hague and face trial as war criminals.

let me get this straight ... you are blaming Israel for being better SHOTS? good grief :facepalm:

I could take you and the other bleeding hearts to task on "all the dead Palestinian children" of which you speak but, what the hell, you are entitled to your weird allocation of responsibility, who am I to disturb your blinkers :sunny:

Crasherfromwayback

19th August 2014, 10:55

Because my view of Israel is around larger matters than simply this current Gaza/Palestine issue. Simply:

1) As a gross generalisation, the Arab/Muslim world have little time for us Westerners.
2) This morning on Aljazeera, reporting in Iran that Fundamentalist Muslims are again rocking around the countryside attacking another religious faction who will not convert to Islam, killing many and raping many of the women.
3) Israel are not the ones I ever have to worry about strapping a vest on and walking into somewhere where I and my family are and becoming Ahmed Chick BOOOOOOOM.
4) Who broke this latest ceasefire? Gaza fired the first missiles AGAIN after mediation was not successful.
5) Why are Israel even in Gaza? Because when they were given the land under the original accord in the 1940's the Arab Nations took exception to this, thus ganging up on the tiny nation and the 6 day war ensued where Israel handed them their arses and sent them packing - taking some additional land in the process. Again, their neighbours took the first strike, Israel finished the fight.

I really could go on for a long time.

Have a listen to this when you have the time mate.

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mashman

19th August 2014, 13:02

‘Jews and Arabs refuse to be enemies’: Thousands call for peace at Tel Aviv rally (http://rt.com/news/181104-israel-protest-against-war/)... Quick, a protest, annihilate them instantly as this sort of brotherly love simply will not do. After all, the white muthafuckas said there should be war, who gives a shit what the people think.

mstriumph

19th August 2014, 23:51

oldrider

20th August 2014, 10:50

hard fact of life, brother ... no-one has EVER given a shit what the people think ...

Could that be because the majority fail to participate? :shifty: (in the art of thinking that is!)

mashman

20th August 2014, 11:57

hard fact of life, brother ... no-one has EVER given a shit what the people think ...

Unrequired current fact of life, true :eek:... aye, they give a shit about the people so long as the people that are being given a shit about share the same thinking, ya know, people pleasers with chameleon like thought patterns :laugh:

R650R

20th August 2014, 16:56

http://rt.com/uk/181028-sainsbury-tesco-israel-kosher/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-garnier-apologises-after-girly-care-packages-sent-to-female-idf-soldiers-sparks-threats-to-boycott-company-9658876.html

http://boycottisraeltoday.wordpress.com/boycott-israel/

R650R

21st August 2014, 08:46

mstriumph

21st August 2014, 10:22

Could that be because the majority fail to participate? :shifty: (in the art of thinking that is!)

cute ... but facile ;)

oldrider

21st August 2014, 11:10

cute ... but facile ;)

True! Tis the way of the world today! :facepalm:

mstriumph

22nd August 2014, 15:45

http://rt.com/uk/181028-sainsbury-tesco-israel-kosher/

......

the great unwashed strikes again ... reminiscent of the way some fine, upstanding examples of British citizenry reputedly stoned sausage dogs during the war .... believe they didn't even enquire if they were kosher sausage dogs .... *sigh*

mstriumph

22nd August 2014, 15:49

............
http://boycottisraeltoday.wordpress.com/boycott-israel/

especially liked this bit

"The easiest way to inform people in boycotting Israeli and those Jewish products made in Israel or made outside of Israel that directly or indirectly support Israel is by simply sending out an email to all you email contacts, tweeting, sharing facebook pages, post boycott information on forums and different blogs, send out text/SMS messages to people in your mobile phone book, call people and tell them."

the article wouldn't have been written by a communications provider, would it ...?

hmmmmmm :rolleyes:

mstriumph

22nd August 2014, 16:14

................

5 Why are Israel even in Gaza? They were not, as you state given the land under the original 'accord'.

too silly

why is any population 'in' any country they've defeated in warfare? (I was going to quote examples but there's really no need - read the history of just about any place anywhere, any time and it's self-explanatory).

now ... if you'd have asked why are they STILL there ... that's a reasonable question

.....my guess (and it's just a guess, but I'm empathising here ...) would be that part of it is not wanting to reward the naughty behaviour of their fellow Semites whose oft-stated purpose is to destroy them utterly and whose wantonly murderous behaviour in defying cease-fires and in putting their missile stocks/sites among non-combatants is perpetuating slaughter?.. Hmmmm?

don't care which way up you slice it, self-defence is permissible. If you don't agree, just ask my next door neighbour (an arsehole but that's not relevant for the purposes of this example) what he could reasonably expect ME to do if he started mouthing off at me and lobbing incendiary devices across our common boundary?

... right :msn-wink:

Katman

22nd August 2014, 16:31

too silly

why is any population 'in' any country they've defeated in warfare? (I was going to quote examples but there's really no need - read the history of just about any place anywhere, any time and it's self-explanatory).

now ... if you'd have asked why are they STILL there ... that's a reasonable question

.....my guess (and it's just a guess, but I'm empathising here ...) would be that part of it is not wanting to reward the naughty behaviour of their fellow Semites whose oft-stated purpose is to destroy them utterly and whose wantonly murderous behaviour in defying cease-fires and in putting their missile stocks/sites among non-combatants is perpetuating slaughter?.. Hmmmm?

don't care which way up you slice it, self-defence is permissible. If you don't agree, just ask my next door neighbour (an arsehole but that's not relevant for the purposes of this example) what he could reasonably expect ME to do if he started mouthing off at me and lobbing incendiary devices across our common boundary?

... right :msn-wink:

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mstriumph

22nd August 2014, 16:51

that's your idea of adult debate, is it? :msn-wink:

Ocean1

22nd August 2014, 19:13

that's your idea of adult debate, is it? :msn-wink:

He wouldn't know adult if it bit him on the arse.

And the only debate he indulges in produces just cartoon pictures and a sticky mess.

Katman

22nd August 2014, 19:23

He wouldn't know adult if it bit him on the arse.

I'm telling on you.

yokel

22nd August 2014, 19:34

Prob most relevant place to post this, only few borders away...

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/james-foley-police-warn-watching-beheading-video-terrorist-offence-1461974

Now why would they say that when there's been plenty of others??? One of the comnspiracy sites suggests its because the vid is a sloppy fake, not enough blood and other factors point to being staged or photoshopped etc...

I've watch the vid and it's fake as fuck and now I'm a fucking terrorist! awesome

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/nD8jJrYXBQs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

this is the vid, if your not a terrorist like me dont watch it!

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.liveleak.com/ll_embed?f=83f90a5fb900" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Brett

22nd August 2014, 23:46

SPman

23rd August 2014, 00:03

They definitely killed Foley - just not in that vid and not with the butterknife the guy is holding......probably some hulking Mujahadin with a scimitar lopped of his head when he wasn't expecting it.
ISIS are mean arseholes - I bet Saudi Arabia (who initially financed them) are a bit worried, they are now totally out of anyone's control......

Love this explanation of what's going on in the middle east....

."So let me get this right. We support the Iraq government in the fight against ISIS. We don’t like ISIS, but ISIS is supported by Saudi Arabia who we do like. We don’t like Assad in Syria. We support the fight against him, but ISIS is also fighting against him. We don’t like Iran, but Iran supports the Iraqi government in its fight against ISIS. So some of our friends support our enemies, some enemies are now our friends, and some of our enemies are fighting against our other enemies, who we want to lose, but we don’t want our enemies who are fighting our enemies to win. If the people we want to defeat are defeated, they could be replaced by people we like even less, and all this was started by us invading a country to drive out terrorists who were not actually there until we went in to drive them out.
I think I’ve got it."

avgas

23rd August 2014, 03:36

"So let me get this right. We support the Iraq government in the fight against ISIS. We don’t like ISIS, but ISIS is supported by Saudi Arabia who we do like. We don’t like Assad in Syria. We support the fight against him, but ISIS is also fighting against him. We don’t like Iran, but Iran supports the Iraqi government in its fight against ISIS. So some of our friends support our enemies, some enemies are now our friends, and some of our enemies are fighting against our other enemies, who we want to lose, but we don’t want our enemies who are fighting our enemies to win. If the people we want to defeat are defeated, they could be replaced by people we like even less, and all this was started by us invading a country to drive out terrorists who were not actually there until we went in to drive them out.
I think I’ve got it."
Yep.
US should be involved in rescue efforts and nothing else. The funniest thing is the whole area over there is musical chairs. You take people from one country and move them to another.

League of Nations did this.....but the problem is if you move one piece you have to move the others, and keep moving them.

yokel

23rd August 2014, 08:28

You know the cunts are bad when fucking Al Qaeda are keen to distance themselves from them

wow even Al Qaeda dont like them? and they are a real authentic terrorist organisation they is, responsible for 911 and all those other evil doings. haha
that must mean any action the "US" takes is completely justified

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R650R

23rd August 2014, 08:49

I have to say, that James Foley video really doesn't appear to be legitimate, although there are people much more trained to analyse these sorts of things than me. Got to say though, ISIL are a heinous bunch of terrorist fucks that are violently pillaging their way across parts of the middle east. You know the cunts are bad when fucking Al Qaeda are keen to distance themselves from them. Although I am sure there will be some fucktards on here who defend them as "freedom fighters against the west" or some such shit.

I haven't watched the video, but a guy on another site has and broken it down.

Firstly there's not enough blood, severe that carotoid artery and it would be like a scene from Quentin taratino film. He showed a still of the afterwards scene, bugger all blood on orange suit and look how clean the cut is.
And it kinda lines up well with what CPR doll looks like and the chest still looks inflated like the lungs have not exhaled...

"1. Foley is smiling in parts of the video. 2. The beheader has a British accent. 3. No blood comes out when the beheading starts. 4. It then cuts, and you do not actually get to see the beheading. 5. When the video returns, you see a headless body.

Bottom line, THERE IS NO BEHEADING VIDEO and that is exactly why, in Britain, trying to watch the video is a "terrorist act". The video is such a terrible fake those who fronted it are terrified of having people watch it. They just want you to believe, while never having seen it. "

R650R

23rd August 2014, 08:59

They definitely killed Foley - just not in that vid and not with the butterknife the guy is holding......probably some hulking Mujahadin with a scimitar lopped of his head when he wasn't expecting it.
ISIS are mean arseholes - I bet Saudi Arabia (who initially financed them) are a bit worried, they are now totally out of anyone's control......

ISis are funded by the cIA and mosaad, there's even a blackwater type security outfit in stages called ISIS they are so confidant of their fakery.

The Syria overthrow has been checkmated by Russia into a stalemate and Assad starting to regain ground.
Then at the most convenient time we have the ISIS disaster give reason for US forces to enter Iraq where they will maintain the peace translation: They will resupply ISIS and herd them towards Syria.
ISIS will them overwhelm Syria with USA stepping in to smoke them once Syria is critically weakened. The remains of ISIS will be driven south to attack Israel, giving them an excuse to invade Syria.
The remains of ISIS will then be rested and resupplied before let loose in Saudia Arabia which Israel want also...

The interesting thing is what will Russia do if Syria looks to fall under western control...
http://aanirfan.blogspot.mx/2014/08/isis-run-by-simon-elliot-mossad-agent.html

jonbuoy

23rd August 2014, 10:32

I haven't watched the video, but a guy on another site has and broken it down.

Firstly there's not enough blood, severe that carotoid artery and it would be like a scene from Quentin taratino film. He showed a still of the afterwards scene, bugger all blood on orange suit and look how clean the cut is.
And it kinda lines up well with what CPR doll looks like and the chest still looks inflated like the lungs have not exhaled...

"1. Foley is smiling in parts of the video. 2. The beheader has a British accent. 3. No blood comes out when the beheading starts. 4. It then cuts, and you do not actually get to see the beheading. 5. When the video returns, you see a headless body.

Bottom line, THERE IS NO BEHEADING VIDEO and that is exactly why, in Britain, trying to watch the video is a "terrorist act". The video is such a terrible fake those who fronted it are terrified of having people watch it. They just want you to believe, while never having seen it. "

So just to clarify you think "they" made a fake video of the beheading using an actor that couldn´t keep a straight face, a terrorist with a British accent and poor special effects to justify spend billions of dollars they don´t have on extending a war they can´t afford. Do you think people that are powerful enough to do this would make those schoolboy mistakes? How many people have actually seen enough HUMAN heads being severed to be able to analyse the video?

What is unbelievable is how western media can be so outraged over one westerner being beheaded - yesterday around 34 people were killed in various attacks over Iraq - some of them civilians heading to the shops for the groceries. The media are beating the story up as its "one of their own". Its not a nice way to go but these reporters volunteer for the job and they know the risk. Don´t cry too much when the other team doesn't play by your rules.

Kickaha

23rd August 2014, 10:48

ISis are funded by the cIA and mosaad, there's even a blackwater type security outfit in stages called ISIS they are so confidant of their fakery.

You have an awesome future ahead of you in comedy

Anyway Westboro baptist Church are going to sort ISIS out
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/08/22/this-should-go-well-westboro-baptist-church-says-its-going-to-iraq-to-protest-isis/

R650R

23rd August 2014, 12:27

So just to clarify you think "they" made a fake video of the beheading using an actor that couldn´t keep a straight face, a terrorist with a British accent and poor special effects to justify spend billions of dollars they don´t have on extending a war they can´t afford. Do you think people that are powerful enough to do this would make those schoolboy mistakes? How many people have actually seen enough HUMAN heads being severed to be able to analyse the video?

Yes. As its not their money they waste, its all siphoned off from taxpayers to wealthy defence contractors where the politicians get cushy jobs afterwards as consultants.
Yes they make mistakes as they are so cocky and arrogant and used to lying for what doesn't pass anyway.
Never seen a human head severed but we've all seen enough graphic courtroom evidence via news of what happens when someone is stabbed etc. Then there's all the hunting shows etc...

jonbuoy

23rd August 2014, 12:38

Yes. As its not their money they waste, its all siphoned off from taxpayers to wealthy defence contractors where the politicians get cushy jobs afterwards as consultants.
Yes they make mistakes as they are so cocky and arrogant and used to lying for what doesn't pass anyway.
Never seen a human head severed but we've all seen enough graphic courtroom evidence via news of what happens when someone is stabbed etc. Then there's all the hunting shows etc...

You seriously believe they can't find someone without a British accent? In Saudi they drug them up to the eyeballs and drain some of their blood before the public executions.

Katman

23rd August 2014, 12:41

You seriously believe they can't find someone without a British accent? In Saudi they drug them up to the eyeballs and drain some of their blood before the public executions.

In the video does James Foley look "drugged up to the eyeballs" to you?

jonbuoy

23rd August 2014, 12:46

In the video does James Foley look "drugged up to the eyeballs" to you?

I don't know - can't say for sure- can you?

Katman

23rd August 2014, 12:47

I don't know - can't say for sure- can you?

He couldn't look less "drugged up to the eyeballs" if he tried.

jonbuoy

23rd August 2014, 12:49

He couldn't look less "drugged up to the eyeballs" if he tried.

And your point is?

Katman

23rd August 2014, 12:56

And your point is?

You're the one suggesting that he appears as calm and blood-free as he does due to possibly being "drugged up to the eyeballs" and having had much of his blood removed beforehand (because "that's what they do in Saudi Arabia").

jonbuoy

23rd August 2014, 13:02

You're the one suggesting that he appears as calm and blood-free as he does due to possibly being "drugged up to the eyeballs" and having had much of his blood removed beforehand (because that's what they do in Saudi Arabia).

No you've drawn that conclusion yourself. I stated a fact - in Saudi Arabia they drug them up to the eyeballs and drain some of their blood. None of us know if he was medicated in any way.

Katman

23rd August 2014, 13:03

jonbuoy

23rd August 2014, 13:06

And remember, this is ISIS we're supposedly talking about.

Do you really think that they would cut out the part of the video that shows the 'beheading' because they don't want to expose us to anything too gruesome?

I think the most important fact is that we are obsessing over one dead American reporter when hundreds of civilians are dying every month.

Katman

23rd August 2014, 13:08

I think the most important fact is that we are obsessing over one dead American reporter when hundreds of civilians are dying every month.

And why do you think that might be?

Perhaps it's just an effort to gain support for Team America taking charge again.

jonbuoy

23rd August 2014, 13:12

And why do you think that might be?

Perhaps it's just an effort to gain support for Team America to take charge again.

Largely because most of the general public view an American, Kiwi, Brit life above an Iraqi life. That's where the support comes from. And the media are really pissed because reporters are supposedly sacred.

Katman

23rd August 2014, 16:16

Largely because most of the general public view an American, Kiwi, Brit life above an Iraqi life.

You almost sound like you believe it.

Tell me, why should an American, Kiwi or Brit life be above an Iraqi life?

jonbuoy

23rd August 2014, 17:38

You almost sound like you believe it.

Tell me, why should an American, Kiwi or Brit life be above an Iraqi life?

It isn't and I don't - the whole thing is a media beat up.

Katman

23rd August 2014, 17:44

It isn't and I don't - the whole thing is a media beat up.

In other words - we're being fed what to believe.

jonbuoy

23rd August 2014, 18:04

In other words - we're being fed what to believe.

Car bombings and shootings are in the news as well, doesn't sell as well as "one of our own" having his head lopped off. Same with a lot of news reporting- a coach crash in China that kills 20 Chinese wouldn't get a news bite. A coach crash in China that killed 20 Kiwis would be in the news for days.

mashman

2nd September 2014, 11:50

US urges Israel to reverse Palestinian land-grab plan (http://news.yahoo.com/us-urges-israel-reverse-plan-seize-west-bank-182217661.html)... like this war was anything other. Bunch of children!

mashman

2nd October 2014, 08:47

The land grab took place anyway (http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/inpictures/2014/09/pictures-seized-land-palestine-201492510254310193.html).

This guy is way too smart for TV... let alone murcan TV presenters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pjxPR36qFU&feature=youtu.be

R650R

2nd October 2014, 19:37

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2766954/Revealed-Israel-s-number-one-baby-Mohamed-authorities-tried-fix-annual-official-list-secret.html

Berries

2nd October 2014, 19:51

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2766954/Revealed-Israel-s-number-one-baby-Mohamed-authorities-tried-fix-annual-official-list-secret.html
Brings a whole new meaning to the term explosive nappies I guess.

Katman

2nd October 2014, 20:26

Brings a whole new meaning to the term explosive nappies I guess.

Obviously Shiites.

Berries

2nd October 2014, 21:34

Boom boom.

Katman

4th October 2014, 12:18

oldrider

4th October 2014, 15:17

And let's not forget that America - the Great Bringer of Democracy to the World - betrayed the Iraqi people at the end of the first Gulf War in exactly the same way that Stalin betrayed the people of Warsaw toward the end of World War II.

The CIA instigated an Iraqi uprising against Saddam Hussien and then sat back on the Iraq border and allowed Saddam to brutally slaughter anyone thought to be part of that uprising.

The CIA (Read that as: Israel and zionist USA) instigated an Iraqi uprising against Saddam Hussien and then sat back on the Iraq border and allowed Saddam to brutally slaughter anyone thought to be part of that uprising. :shifty:

mashman

13th October 2014, 20:08

Crime-fighting London Jews claim model for Muslim cooperation (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/25241052/crime-fighting-london-jews-claim-model-for-muslim-cooperation/)... wait, what... how the fuck does that happen? Christ, coupled with Muslims having tea with the EDL, I get the feeling that someone may be lying about how religions don't get on and can't integrate.

Viva La Revolution.

mashman

15th October 2014, 10:41

Inside Bashar Assad's torture chambers (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/bashar-al-assad-s-syrian-torture-chambers-205323124.html#yQTTtSN)... here it comes.

mashman

15th October 2014, 11:36

Netherlands says OK for biker gangs to fight Islamic State (http://news.yahoo.com/netherlands-says-ok-biker-gangs-fight-islamic-state-155136559.html)... nazi's.

Akzle

15th October 2014, 12:47

Inside Bashar Assad's torture chambers (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/bashar-al-assad-s-syrian-torture-chambers-205323124.html#yQTTtSN)... here it comes.

hey! no fair, they're just using stock photos from guantanamo bay! someone better invade america to sort out their government and out of control military!

Banditbandit

15th October 2014, 13:04

Inside Bashar Assad's torture chambers (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/bashar-al-assad-s-syrian-torture-chambers-205323124.html#yQTTtSN)... here it comes.

So .. do we want the brutal dictatorship to win, or the Fundamentalist supposedly-Islamics to win Mr Key ???

mashman

15th October 2014, 13:21

So .. do we want the brutal dictatorship to win, or the Fundamentalist supposedly-Islamics to win Mr Key ???

Either of them can win mr key, no need though as I'll donate the fucker free of charge :D