Stupid people & dangerous dogs thread

[Zarkov]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10341761/Lovely-boy-fights-for-life-after-dog-attack

"The vicious attack also came just days after the boy's father Orlando Shepherd posted a picture of the dog, which he called a pitbull, on his Facebook page with the status line: "Mess wif me il eat u alive...

Orlando, he knows about dogs.

Also:


A pitbull freed from the Napier dog pound after a community fundraising campaign has mauled a dog to death within days of being liberated. Dante, a 2-year-old red-nose pitbull, was caught by animal control officers late last month and was due to be put down on Monday, March 10.
His owner, Teressa Kati, 23, could not afford the $532.30 Napier City Council wanted for unpaid registration fees and desexing fees, so she took to Facebook to see if anyone would pay the fees and make him their own.
In a local newspaper article on March 14, she described Dante as "an absolute honey" who loved being cuddled and playing with her two kids, Fury-James, 4, and Lahtezia-Lust, 5.
Instead of offering Dante a new home, people donated money - enough for Kati to pay the fees.
Dante went to her sister's house in the Napier suburb of Maraenui and was put on a run in the back lawn, where another dog, a 7-month-old shar pei named Terror, was on a chain.
Dante got off his run on Thursday night and mauled Terror to death.
Terror's owner said his children witnessed the attack, which left the lawn covered in blood.
The man said he agreed to look after Dante because Kati already had a dog at her Housing New Zealand house and was not allowed another there.
"I was next door. By the time I got there, it was over.
"I watched my dog die and he [Dante] still wouldn't let go. He was trying to rip his head off. There was nothing I could do. I watched him have his last breath. To make it worse, my kids saw it all."
He said the children were "hysterical".
"My backyard is full of blood. My missus doesn't want to go out there. Dante shouldn't have been allowed out of the pound."
Animal control officer Dwayne McOnie said he found a "horrific, bloody scene" when called to the property shortly after 5pm. Dante was known to be aggressive, and his owner had been spoken to in the past.
He was seized on February 23 because he was not registered, had not been desexed within the required time, and was not microchipped.
Terror's body has been seized as evidence, pending a council decision on whether to prosecute Kati. Dante is back in the pound in the meantime.

[george formby]

Stupid people or dangerous dogs? Whats your point?

Another child has been mauled and another dog will be euthanised. A terrible thing.

[jasonu]

Who in their right mind calls their kids names like Fury-James, and Lahtezia-Lust?
Over here the Afros are known for putting 'La' or 'D' in front of ordinary names (eg LaMichael, D'Marcus) and also for coming up with crap like Shanequa, D’brickishaw and Barkevious D’quell
Looks like a bit on NZ monkey see (on some yank tv show) monkey do.

The pooch in the photo isn't pitbull, just a mix of god knows what was around at the time. The owner should receive a hefty find for her stupidity and ignorance plus she should be kicked out of her tax payer funded council house with no chance of another.
BTW Shapeis are not know as the worlds friendliest breed either.

[Flip]

So another child has been malled by another gang dog.

The only diference between a gun and those dogs is it is legal for children to play with the dog.

There should be a crime that goes something like "attempting to own a dangerous dog" and the facebook comment could be used as proof.

[PrincessBandit]

People with the wannabe gangsta mentality don't give a second thought to whether their life choices impact in a bad way on their kids or society - it's a completely self centred existence whereby they put their children at risk of serious injury/death, other people at risk of serious injury/death, other peoples' pets at risk of serious injury/death. They don't give a shit because their imitation badass image dog fits their own delusion of toughness.

They should be banned from ever owning ANY animal, and probably having kids too.

[Stirts]

FFS when will common sense prevail!!!

If you own a dog OF ANY BREED you train it, just like kids you can teach them right from wrong. And when the fuck did we stop teaching our kids how to behave and interact with dogs?

Once again humans not taking responsibility for their own fucking stupidity...makes me sick these kids and dogs are paying the price!

[jasonu]

People with the wannabe gangsta mentality don't give a second thought to whether their life choices impact in a bad way on their kids or society - it's a completely self centred existence whereby they put their children at risk of serious injury/death, other people at risk of serious injury/death, other peoples' pets at risk of serious injury/death. They don't give a shit because their imitation badass image dog fits their own delusion of toughness.

They should be banned from ever owning ANY animal, and probably having kids too.

Dead right. Yet they still manage to get themselves in cheap tax payer funded housing.

[Akzle]

we should be able to put down 'owners'.

[slofox]

And when the fuck did we stop teaching our kids how to behave and interact with dogs?

That was round about the same time we stopped teaching our kids anything...

[awa355]

People with the wannabe gangsta mentality don't give a second thought to whether their life choices impact in a bad way on their kids or society - it's a completely self centred existence whereby they put their children at risk of serious injury/death, other people at risk of serious injury/death, other peoples' pets at risk of serious injury/death. They don't give a shit because their imitation badass image dog fits their own delusion of toughness.

They should be banned from ever owning ANY animal, and probably having kids too.

Sums up these drongos nicely. I once asked a tidy looking young woman ( similar background to the Napier woman ) why she was wasting her time chasing a deadbeat doing 7 years in jail. She said, ' because he's hard and tough, and a tough strong man will fight for me and survive.' The idiot was doing time for various violent assaults, including attacking her.

Dumb dogs dumb owners.

[R650R]

I think it comes down to more how the dogs are treated than the breed. Some of these morons are prob feeding the animals p like the USAF does when they train them to be attack dogs.
There is a basketball court near my house, frequented there by all sorts on weekends.
There's one large family who had dog like the one in picture. seemed very agitated and they were making a game of it chasing their own kids :facepalm:
Nearly called the cops as it was clear they were training the dog to attack/chase people but I believe in the Darwin theory and had other stuff to do...

[BuzzardNZ]

I think it comes down to more how the dogs are treated than the breed.

True this. I had an English Bull Terrier cross Bulldog. She looked pretty scary but had a heart of gold and the only danger any person faced against her was being licked to death.

[Banditbandit]

And I had a Labrador - yeah one of them big dopey family friends - it bit at least six people during its life and today would probably have been put down ...

(It was a hunting dog, not a big sloppy family pet ...)

[bluninja]

FFS when will common sense prevail!!!

If you own a dog OF ANY BREED you train it, just like kids you can teach them right from wrong. And when the fuck did we stop teaching our kids how to behave and interact with dogs?

Once again humans not taking responsibility for their own fucking stupidity...makes me sick these kids and dogs are paying the price!

Whilst I agree with the sentiments and general point, the concept that dogs know right from wrong is not correct. I think ascribing morality and anthropomorphising dogs is one of the issues that leads to poorly behaved dogs.

Fido does not cower when you come in because he knows he ripped up the house whilst you were out. He cowers because he has learned (through repetition) what happens when you come through the door and your body language changes on seeing the mess.

[bluninja]

I think it comes down to more how the dogs are treated than the breed.

Yes and no....based on breeding some dogs have more developed drives that will tend to certain behaviours. Training can redirect those drives to more desirable behaviours but cannot eliminate the drives.

Thus police dogs tend to be from breeds with a high prey drive, the physical attributes needed, and a strong drive to please it's handler. The training just enhances what is naturally there. Despite the training there are regular occurrences of police dogs attacking people that are not the target of the chase, or not stopping immediately on command; probably due to the effect called "sensory narrowing" that occurs when prey drive is fully engaged.

Fighting dogs have high prey drive and dog to dog aggression. They are normally soft with humans....if not they rip into the handlers ...and get killed. Bad breeding for more and more aggression and you end up with high prey drive towards everything. Professional dog fighters are the scum of the earth as far as dog lovers go, but they do know what to breed and how to train them.

[Stirts]

Whilst I agree with the sentiments and general point, the concept that dogs know right from wrong is not correct. I think ascribing morality and anthropomorphising dogs is one of the issues that leads to poorly behaved dogs.

Fido does not cower when you come in because he knows he ripped up the house whilst you were out. He cowers because he has learned (through repetition) what happens when you come through the door and your body language changes on seeing the mess.

"the concept that dogs know right from wrong is not correct" hmmmm could be, possibly, maybe...
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-ethical-dog/

"Canids, like humans, form intricate networks of social relationships and live by rules of conduct that maintain a stable society, which is necessary to ensure the survival of each individual. Basic rules of fairness guide social play, and similar rules are the foundation for fairness among adults. This moral intelligence, so evident in both wild canines and in domesticated dogs, probably closely resembles that of our early human ancestors. And it may have been just this sense of right and wrong that allowed human societies to flourish and spread across the world"


Maybe right and wrong is too specific, I am no behavioural scientist. But my personal belief is that it comes down to training, both humans and dogs.

[Stirts]

Yes and no....based on breeding some dogs have more developed drives that will tend to certain behaviours. Training can redirect those drives to more desirable behaviours but cannot eliminate the drives.

And I think that is where our training needs to step in. Understanding those drives and taking precautions to eliminate/minimise any adverse effects.

[bluninja]

"the concept that dogs know right from wrong is not correct" hmmmm could be, possibly, maybe...
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-ethical-dog/

"Canids, like humans, form intricate networks of social relationships and live by rules of conduct that maintain a stable society, which is necessary to ensure the survival of each individual. Basic rules of fairness guide social play, and similar rules are the foundation for fairness among adults. This moral intelligence, so evident in both wild canines and in domesticated dogs, probably closely resembles that of our early human ancestors. And it may have been just this sense of right and wrong that allowed human societies to flourish and spread across the world"


Maybe right and wrong is too specific, I am no behavioural scientist. But my personal belief is that it comes down to training, both humans and dogs.

I believe the authors of that piece are ascribing human characteristics to their observations where non exist that fit their world views (vegan, animal rights campaigners). After all, there was so much research done on wolf packs that created they alpha, beta roles and theory of pack dominance that created a whole dog training industry (Cesar Milan et al) that was show to be poor science.

[Grumph]

Maybe right and wrong is too specific, I am no behavioural scientist. But my personal belief is that it comes down to training, both humans and dogs.

Correct - while all dogs, like all people, have the potential for violent behaviour, it is possible to train them to be sociable. some people on the other hand....
There is always the possibility of a provoked attack, even from the best trained dog. This is what a good owner should watch for and be aware of the possibility. Unfortunately a responsible attitude like this is not common.

Oh, and the comment re sharpies back a ways, the Shar Pei crosses which are common are giving a good breed a bad name. Our purebreds are very well socialised.

[bluninja]

Oh, and the comment re sharpies back a ways, the Shar Pei crosses which are common are giving a good breed a bad name. Our purebreds are very well socialised.

Well the pong from a pure bred Shar Pei is pretty anti social:cool:

[Paul in NZ]

You can train them all you want but just like people there are dogs out there that are just ticking bombs… They all have personalities and as such there are dogs with personality disorders. It does not always show but at some point they are going to pop… Animals bred from these defective individuals because they also possess other traits that some find useful will inherit the basic disorders.

Couple that up with people (call it stupid if you like) who can’t even recognise their own failings in life and you have a real issue on your hands. Dogs are just one easily recognised facet of the problem.

My limited experience is that I wouldn’t trust an animal like that within a hundred miles of a child.

[Stirts]

My limited experience is that I wouldn’t trust an animal like that within a hundred miles of a child.

My experience is that I don't trust most children within a hundred miles of my maltese x chihuahua. Just because he is small and cute, doesn't mean he should not be approached in the way you should a big dog. He is after all a dog too.

[bluninja]

My limited experience is that I wouldn’t trust an animal like that within a hundred miles of a child.

I tend to err on the side of caution with dogs and children. Both can be unpredictable....usually when you aren't paying attention. My dogs are fine with people but I try to ensure they are never unsupervised with small children. My daughter thinks it's ok to have my dogs around loose with her 8 month old daughter crawling ...I disagree...I have a perfect track record with my dogs and children in my home, and outside; I intend to keep it that way. Keeping a dog is a privilege and a responsibility not a right.

[ellipsis]

...not a dog lover but dislike humans more than dogs...just had a couple of Malamutes move into our little rural patch...the dogs may be ok, but I have a feeling they make the little bloke that owns them, feel big...which worries me...

[Stirts]

Keeping a dog is a privilege and a responsibility not a right.

Couldn't agree more!!!

I would bling but I have spread myself too much in the last 24hrs.

[TheDemonLord]

As a Dog lover, I find myself increasingly annoyed at Breeds being singled out as 'dangerous' as opposed to Fuckwits being singled out for Fuckwittery

Some breeds do need special attention in certain areas (early socialization, keen eye for any agression towards other dogs) and some breeds need someone with experiance training dogs, some breeds have been bred to have specific attributes that need to be understand and accounted for.

But seriously - we should look at Euthanising the owners before the dogs....

[Laava]

...not a dog lover but dislike humans more than dogs...just had a couple of Malamutes move into our little rural patch...the dogs may be ok, but I have a feeling they make the little bloke that owns them, feel big...which worries me...

Having lived with one, I would never trust one.
Friend of mine got attacked by a pitty in Kaeo just before xmas. She was walking past a swimming hole in the river there where a family had their dog on the loose. To be fair, it was attacking her dog not her, but as she had picked her dog up to protect it, she got lunched on the face. Anyway, after her dog had been scalped and the useless owners finally stepped in to control their mongrel, the usual police and ambos turned up.
End result? This may be different in the case of a human being the actual target... But, It is now a option, of the owners choice, to euthanise or keep their pet under new conditions. The animal control and police seem to favour the latter for a couple of good reasons. The first is that people want to keep their pets and have to jump through a few hoops to do it. The second is that the victim, not in all cases, has better closure if these steps are taken.
So,.. The owner has to pay for, neutering, court costs expenses and fines etc, fully fence their approved section, have the dog on a lead AND muzzled at ALL times when off the property, attend animal control and obediance courses and be monitored every three months for a set period.
This is the preferred method in this case because if the owners just surrender their dog, they are more likely to just get another one and continue the cycle. My friend, was happy with this outcome too.

[george formby]

I tend to err on the side of caution with dogs and children. Both can be unpredictable....usually when you aren't paying attention. My dogs are fine with people but I try to ensure they are never unsupervised with small children. My daughter thinks it's ok to have my dogs around loose with her 8 month old daughter crawling ...I disagree...I have a perfect track record with my dogs and children in my home, and outside; I intend to keep it that way. Keeping a dog is a privilege and a responsibility not a right.

Concur.
My dog is as sweet as a nut, obedient, playful and balanced but I do not allow her to end up in a situation where she may become defensive. Physically she can be a real handful. So strange dogs, kids & people I do not like the look of are avoided. Prevention is better than cure. Set the dogs up for success.

[Flip]

These dogs do seem to want to be owned by wanna be gang members, boy racers and other peti criminal scum. It's a pity that the few decient dog owners who have a legimite reason to own these dangerous dogs are going to have a law passed against them. But I supposed if it saves just a few children having their faces ripped off it will be worth it.

[jasonu]

I tend to err on the side of caution with dogs and children. Both can be unpredictable....usually when you aren't paying attention. My dogs are fine with people but I try to ensure they are never unsupervised with small children. My daughter thinks it's ok to have my dogs around loose with her 8 month old daughter crawling ...I disagree...I have a perfect track record with my dogs and children in my home, and outside; I intend to keep it that way. Keeping a dog is a privilege and a responsibility not a right.

Best post in this thread. If everyone thought and acted like this there wouldn't be a problem.

[Gremlin]

These dogs do seem to want to be owned by wanna be gang members, boy racers and other peti criminal scum. It's a pity that the few decient dog owners who have a legimite reason to own these dangerous dogs are going to have a law passed against them. But I supposed if it saves just a few children having their faces ripped off it will be worth it.
The problem is, it's not really the dogs. Penalise all good owners for the sake of a few crap ones.

That said, dogs, especially mis-treated ones can be really tricky. My uncle had a dog when I grew up in South Africa, we were best of friends, he'd move over in his basket and share with me etc. God help the poor black postman however, Simba had him down for elimination as he'd been previously ill-treated by black owners. Other ill-treated dogs could be completely fine for weeks on end, and then suddenly snap because something triggered them, scared them etc.

Bad owners encompass the entire range for me. Owners ill-treating dogs and others buying working dogs like collies for a family pet (of course it's going to go spare. It's highly intelligent and used to running ALL day). Don't even get me started on the dressed up oversized rats often treated as substitute children ... :mellow:

[cynna]

people that call their dogs pitbulls when they are not and people that call every dog they see a pitbull should also be put down to stop them breeding

[Mushu]

I think dogs often mirror the personality of their owner, my dog (a German Shepherd) reacts to confrontation much the same way I would. He never shows aggression until completely backed in a corner.

He was raised around small kids and I don't think he would ever be a danger to them but his size means he can knock them over and there have been some small injuries as a result but he is never unsupervised with the kids.

I think owners should be assessed on their ability to keep a given breed of dog, aggressive breeds should only be avaliable to those without any criminal history and should not be able to be owned by anyone who doesn't have the physical strength to restrain it, I've been in a couple of situations walking my dog where another dog has taken their owner clear off their feet trying to attack my dog. (My dog is usually walked off leash, as he doesn't react to anything he doesn't percieve as a direct threat, except the odd rabbit and even then he gives up the chase as soon as I call him back but I have put in a lot of effort to train him to be that way)

[Flip]

people that call their dogs pitbulls when they are not and people that call every dog they see a pitbull should also be put down to stop them breeding

Whats a pitbull? I don't believe they are a recognised breed, just a staffy/terrier mutt bullet trap.

[cynna]

Whats a pitbull? I don't believe they are a recognised breed, just a staffy/terrier mutt bullet trap.

true - just tried to google it and there is so much confusion. from what i have read ages ago its from the same bloodline as american staffordshire but then became its own breed but yes it has a breed standard. looks nothing like what people describe as

[bluninja]

true - just tried to google it and there is so much confusion. from what i have read ages ago its from the same bloodline as american staffordshire but then became its own breed but yes it has a breed standard. looks nothing like what people describe as

In the UK, the dangerous dogs act made it illegal to breed, import and own a pit bull or pit bull cross. Existing dogs had to be neutered, tattooed and muzzled in public places.

The thing is the standard used to asses a dog for breed characteristics was the old American standard that has since changed. It was possible to have a cross bred dog with no pit bull ancestry whatsoever be seized as a pit bull type. The owners would than have to spend over a year and many 1,000s of UK pounds to prove it wasn't a put bull. All the time the dog was kept in secure kennels and the owners had no access to it.

I was part of a group of people pushing to introduce licenses for dog owners and dog breeders. The idea being that you had to prove you were fit to own a dog before you could get one. Breeders had to prove they were fit to own a dog AND only allow their dogs to go to licensed people. The idea was to cut out the back yard breeders that just dump their unwanted product (puppies) and ensure people were fit for dog ownership. Not the political will over there; it's easier to just keep putting dogs in pounds and putting them down.

[JimO]

In the UK, the dangerous dogs act made it illegal to breed, import and own a pit bull or pit bull cross. Existing dogs had to be neutered, tattooed and muzzled in public places.

should be the same with the owners

[Akzle]

two stories about bob and dogs:
1) a dog that had it's feet smashed in with a hammer, saved and homed by m'aunty. would cower from any man entering the property. except me. in the words of vin, it's an animal thing.
(yeah yeah hold your "not a real man" shit for another day faggots)

2) a large chocolate lab, a golden retriever and a little black and white russel fucken thing. the lab will fight or not, lovely dog. needs more fighting i reckon.
the little thing seems quite intent on fighting everytime i see it. possibly because noone else fights with it? (except the cat, which is more like a dog than a cat)
the retriever really really wants to fight, (it's male) but it's owner (its female) doesn't want it "playing those rough boy games".

so i fight it secretly.

[ellipsis]

...I prefer chocolate fish...they are very docile and obedient, and no one gives a fuck if they get out and about without a lead or if you even eat them...

[Flip]

I have a terrier, he is a mid sized 12 kg, historic breed of terrier called a welsh or black and tan english terrier.

Like all terriers he is seven foot tall and very smart. He is however a brillant hunting dog, its what he does best. At the easter bunny hunt on one walk he got 8 and I shot 11, mostly because he goes into a bush and comes out with one and another runs out the back that I shot.

He is a tough wee dog however he is not kind to other intact male dogs. He has earnt his keep for life when my wife was attacked by a neighbours staffy and he put himself in harms way.

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[george formby]

I have a terrier, he is a mid sized 12 kg, historic breed of terrier called a welsh or black and tan english terrier.

Like all terriers he is seven foot tall and very smart. He is however a brillant hunting dog, its what he does best. At the easter bunny hunt on one walk he got 8 and I shot 11, mostly because he goes into a bush and comes out with one and another runs out the back that I shot.

He is a tough wee dog however he is not kind to other intact male dogs. He has earnt his keep for life when my wife was attacked by a neighbours staffy and he put himself in harms way.



Gorgeous! I often have two American Airedales here playing with my dog. Absolute mayhem & vermin mad. 3 big terriers scenting every bit of fluff on the property.
Proper dogs, good times, keep them in sight.

[JimO]

i have 2 staffy cross's, both good dogs but i wouldnt leave them with a baby

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[Kickaha]

But my personal belief is that it comes down to training, both humans and dogs.
How is training Gordy working out?

I have spread myself too much in the last 24hrs.
Slapper

This is the preferred method in this case because if the owners just surrender their dog, they are more likely to just get another one and continue the cycle.
A friend of mine workind for the RSPCA in the bay of plenty area some time ago and said that was exactly what happened every time they took a mistreated dog off some scumbag

Owners ill-treating dogs and others buying working dogs like collies for a family pet (of course it's going to go spare. It's highly intelligent and used to running ALL day). D
Colliies aren't a problem as a pet so long as you're prepared to spend a lot of time playing with them, you may as well just have some children

[Akzle]

Colliies aren't a problem as a pet so long as you're prepared to spend a lot of time playing with them, you may as well just have some children

most children can't outrun a collie...

damhik

[Stirts]

How is training Gordy working out?

He needs to be neutered.


Slapper

You called?

[Swoop]

If you own a dog OF ANY BREED you train it...
Sadly, I don't believe much effort gets put into training these dogs we see in the headlines. They are "adopted" by the family and the dog just adapts to the new situation. If a dog needs putting down then so does the rest of the family, in a lot of cases.

[Laava]

He needs to be neutered.

You can do it yourself with just a gentle little nip of the teeth. If you know where the right spot is!

[Gremlin]

Colliies aren't a problem as a pet so long as you're prepared to spend a lot of time playing with them, you may as well just have some children
Children are probably easier to catch :laugh:

The problem is they get them, stick them in the back yard, maybe take them for an hour or two's walk a day if the owner is trying... Those dogs are capable of being on the move all day, so a back yard isn't going to work...

[avgas]

That was round about the same time we stopped teaching our kids anything...
Sunday 100ad?

[unstuck]

...not a dog lover but dislike humans more than dogs....

Well said that man.:first: Dogs are dangerous and you cannot trust em........even my little toy dogs try to attack me from time to time, you can see for yourself from this pic how they gang up on me and try and eat me . Bastards, gotta watch em.

[caseye]

Yep, thems is man eaters alright.
Happy well adjusted looking, but man eaters just the same.
I'm with whoever said , if you have to put the dog down, put the bloody owners down with it, the dog didn't learn to harm all by itself.
This fucker isnt dead yet.

[unstuck]

Yep, thems is man eaters alright.
Happy well adjusted looking, but man eaters just the same.
I'm with whoever said , if you have to put the dog down, put the bloody owners down with it, the dog didn't learn to harm all by itself.
This fucker isnt dead yet.

Agree to an extent there fella, I had a pitbull ridge back x a few years ago and he was an awesome dog and well trained, great with the kids ect. But I mistakenly fed him a a deer carcass which ripped his insides up, and cost a couple of grand to fix up. He came through the surgery ok, but I noticed he was getting a little funny around the kids and snappy with other kids in the hood, so made the decision to put him to sleep, which was a really hard thing to do. Should I have been put down with him, probably. But then all you fuckers would have missed out on the wonderfullness that is unstuck.:innocent:

[avgas]

The incident happened at a Housing New Zealand property,
Just saying.
HNZ, Projex, Trailer Park..........

Stupid breeds stupid.

[avgas]

we should be able to put down 'owners'.
Shhhh that's starting to sound like white-man talk :killingme

[doc]

Dogs are dangerous and you cannot trust em........even my little toy dogs try to attack me from time to time, you can see for yourself from this pic how they gang up on me and try and eat me . Bastards, gotta watch em.

Goblins cat's worse.Very untrustworthy

[Stirts]

Sadly, I don't believe much effort gets put into training these dogs we see in the headlines. They are "adopted" by the family and the dog just adapts to the new situation. If a dog needs putting down then so does the rest of the family, in a lot of cases.

Oh if only *sigh*


You can do it yourself with just a gentle little nip of the teeth. If you know where the right spot is!

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/a4/a47ad60210b6d967a09264bb57e2ce6c8d208f74476c566c44 ec4332cd6f4b04.jpg

[awa355]

Some dogs learn very quickly.

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/awa355/petjoke.png

[SPman]

The problem is they get them, stick them in the back yard, maybe take them for an hour or two's walk a day if the owner is trying... Those dogs are capable of being on the move all day, so a back yard isn't going to work...Our backyard is 10 acres - one of the mutts can run the circumference in the time it takes to walk back to the house from the dogpen! Still hasn't got the brains to notice a chased rabbit zigs to avoid being run down......
and we have 2 sheep for the Huntaway to herd......when he feels like it.

[caseye]

Agree to an extent there fella, I had a pitbull ridge back x a few years ago and he was an awesome dog and well trained, great with the kids ect. But I mistakenly fed him a a deer carcass which ripped his insides up, and cost a couple of grand to fix up. He came through the surgery ok, but I noticed he was getting a little funny around the kids and snappy with other kids in the hood, so made the decision to put him to sleep, which was a really hard thing to do. Should I have been put down with him, probably. But then all you fuckers would have missed out on the wonderfullness that is unstuck.:innocent:

Hell No! no to putting down Unstuck that is, situations vary, comment was a bit of a blanket, but in general terms I'd still be pretty safe.
Stupid does breed stupid, even if they can't decide on kids or puppies.

[nzspokes]

Dredge

i have come to the conclusion the whole kill the PitBull thing is a conspiracy by the governments of the world. What do Pitbulls know that we dont?

[Paul in NZ]

Dredge

i have come to the conclusion the whole kill the PitBull thing is a conspiracy by the governments of the world. What do Pitbulls know that we dont?

Katman??????

[PrincessBandit]

Well said that man.:first: Dogs are dangerous and you cannot trust em........even my little toy dogs try to attack me from time to time, you can see for yourself from this pic how they gang up on me and try and eat me . Bastards, gotta watch em.

Cute photo. I'd watch that one sitting in your groin. Might decide a little veterinary pay back might be in order :msn-wink:

[oldrider]

Dredge

i have come to the conclusion the whole kill the PitBull thing is a conspiracy by the governments of the world. What do Pitbulls know that we dont?

:shifty: They (the pit bulls) know who you are and they know where you live! :wait:

[nzspokes]

:shifty: They (the pit bulls) know who you are and they know where you live! :wait:

Well they bloody should, I have one bugging me for dinner right now.