Sitting on your Learners or Restricted? Govt to change licensing to make more $$$

[mada]

If you've been putting off getting a full driver's license - you might want to get your wheels in motion.

A new year time limit on new learner and restricted licences will come into force on December 1, Associate Transport Minister Michael Woodhouse announced today. Novice drivers or motorcycle riders who don't move on to the next stage of the Graduated Driver Licensing System (GDLS) within five years will have to take another theory test.

A paper to Cabinet shows 109,102 learner (or 37 per cent) and 98,838 restricted licence holders (32 per cent) have held their licences for more than six years. Woodhouse cited slightly different figures, saying about 40 per cent of learner licence holders had held their licences for more than six years. For restricted licence holders, this figure rises to 45 per cent.

"The GDLS is structured so novice drivers and riders progress from a learner licence to a restricted licence and on to a full licence within a reasonable period. It was never intended that drivers and riders stay at the learner or restricted stage indefinitely," Woodhouse said.

"This change will encourage drivers and riders move through the licence system in a timely way, while gaining the skills and experience needed to drive safely." Holders of a full licence - which lasts for ten years - will be unaffected by the rule change.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/10354682/5-year-limit-imposed-on-learner-licences

Should be a nice big money maker for the govt. and AA considering fail rates for practical car licences are around 60% since the change a few years ago.

Love this tax by stealth bs.

:motu::motu:

[R650R]

Already posted earlier about that :After December the ol driver/rider testers should be kept busy... http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news...arner-licences
Going by those numbers that's about 800 extra people a day needing to sit their test over next year... although a large portion prob wont bother.
A heads up to get in early anyway for all the newbies out there.

It's not tax gathering, just look at all the police time taken up on the cop shows by these people who cant be arsed sorting their licence out. Enforcement cost outweighs any fine revenue.
Man up, do the test, get your licence, pretty simple really...

[unstuck]

Man up, do the test, get your licence, pretty simple really...

Patience grasshopper, I will get there one day. It has only been 35/36 years.:innocent:

[Coldrider]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/10354682/5-year-limit-imposed-on-learner-licences

Should be a nice big money maker for the govt. and AA considering fail rates for practical car licences are around 60% since the change a few years ago.

Love this tax by stealth bs.

:motu::motu:all three of my nippers have passed every stage 1st time.
Guess that the 60% fail means safer roads for us all.

[Akzle]

wait, which jews did you say owned NZ driver licensing ltd?

[Akzle]

all three of my nippers have passed every stage 1st time.
Guess that the 60% fail means safer roads for us all.

no it doesn't because a) people drive without licenses. and b) plenty of fully licensed drivers are fuckwits.

[Coldrider]

no it doesn't because a) people drive without licenses. and b) plenty of fully licensed drivers are fuckwits.

shit you are nearly normal, are you OK?

[Erelyes]

Should be a nice big money maker for the govt. and AA considering fail rates for practical car licences are around 60% since the change a few years ago.

sauce?


Love this tax by stealth bs.

Tax? No son. Money will go to the peeps working at licence agents and the testers. I know a couple and they're by and large GCs.

In fact this is going to mean more jobs for the economy, so get with the fuckin' spiel already.


b) plenty of fully licensed drivers are fuckwits.

Who are a little wise, the best fools be.

[mada]

if it makes good economic sense, is all about "safety" and the old test wasn't good enough or safe enough, then they should make everyone who passed under the old system resit too eh?

:ar15:

[mada]

sauce?



Tax? No son. Money will go to the peeps working at licence agents and the testers. I know a couple and they're by and large GCs.

In fact this is going to mean more jobs for the economy, so get with the fuckin' spiel already.



Who are a little wise, the best fools be.

Govt. takes in the tax from the service provided from hundreds of thousands of people who are causing no problems.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/the-wellingtonian/9973300/Driving-test-pass-rates-drop


On February 27, 2012, the agency changed the practical restricted and full licence tests.

Figures released under the Official Information Act show that before the test was changed, pass rates for both tests were about 75 per cent.

Two years on, the pass rate is 43 per cent for restricted tests and 58 for the full licence

The testers I have met myself for motorcycle licence up in AKL have been all good, as to were my testers down South yonks ago when I did car restricted/full etc.


This is what is concerning:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10837402



Of 27,568 tests, just 12,123 resulted in passes. Learner drivers have paid more than $650,000 to resit the test, which costs $88 a time.

It's not going to do anything to clean up the real shit on the roads who drive without regos, wofs, and proper licences.

[TheDemonLord]

I for one fully support this.

If you are on your Learners and restricted and can't pass your full licence with 5 years of Driving experiance - please get the fuck off the road thank you.

I too have heard whining about tests getting harder - and yet I managed to pass my Restricted first time round with Dawn and the wonderful people at Rider training (plug Plug!). So it seems to me that the tests have merely been updated to reflect the absolute minimum standard one needs to be able to ride/drive safely on NZ roads. If 60% of people are unable to atain this pretty low standard then perhaps they shouldn't be driving or should be seeking professional help (ie a Driving instructor). It also seems to re-affirm what many people have been saying for a while - NZers are shit Drivers....

[awayatc]

It's not going to do anything to clean up the real shit on the roads who drive without regos, wofs, and proper licences.

But it's a fuckin good start.........

to many arseholes on the road,

passrate is obviously way to high,

no licence ?

impound/destroy vehicle....

[unstuck]

no licence ?

impound/destroy vehicle....

Fuck, Im glad your not the copper who caught me on my bike.:devil2:

[R650R]

Should be a nice big money maker for the govt.


So how much is the fine for breaching licence condition vs sitting the test??? Seems to be no shortage of repeat offenders on police ten/7 show.
Now even if only half of them actually pay their fines, wont it be less money for govt if they had their licence???
Just seen a shitbox get tipped out by my place other day, musta been learner, cop made the three hoodie passengers get out and walk in rain... yeah that's real cool aye...

If your so anti the system and tests why even bother getting the learner licence in first place???

[willytheekid]

Maybe with the increased profits they could impliment some ACTUAL driver education programs!<_<.
...instead of this, teach yourself, pass a basic parking test, heres ya license, learn the rest as you go! current BS system- GEEE, wot could POSSIBLY go wrong under this current model??...lets just look at the "skilled" driver base its presently churing out for PROFIT!....road safety my arse!, just paying for the priviledge, while learning at other road users expense!

...surely they can see the benefits of introducing a system that actually trains people how to drive safely on the road...imagine if the aviation industry used the same kind of system to "licence" pilots!...here ya go sir, your Bill and your license...good luck with learning how to land! :killingme

http://global3.memecdn.com/Mowing-Fail_o_96580.jpg

[awayatc]

Fuck, Im glad your not the copper who caught me on my bike.:devil2:

On the upside......you wouldn't get ticketed for doing a few clicks over the limit..........

[mada]

So how much is the fine for breaching licence condition vs sitting the test??? Seems to be no shortage of repeat offenders on police ten/7 show.
Now even if only half of them actually pay their fines, wont it be less money for govt if they had their licence???
Just seen a shitbox get tipped out by my place other day, musta been learner, cop made the three hoodie passengers get out and walk in rain... yeah that's real cool aye...

If your so anti the system and tests why even bother getting the learner licence in first place???

Most those repeat offenders will continue to be repeat offenders. They will buck the system no matter what - and will remain the highest risk drivers most likely to cause an accident. So using them as an excuse for this is bullshit.

All it is doing is making 100,000s more people who are not offenders sit the test to get $$ quicker and with a 60% fail rate lots of $$ from resits. I'm not anti-system, I got mine all done and dusted by 17 back in the days when you could get your learners at 15 etc - but I am anti-bullshit, which this new condition is by claiming its all about "safety". It does nothing to address the attitudes and current psyche on the roads of "get out of my way" and "I'm the best driver in the world" that are prevalent in NZ.

In my opinion if we want safer roads then there needs to be retesting of everyone every 5 - 10 years to ensure all drivers on the road are up to the CURRENT STANDARD given the road rules are often changing. Plenty of times I've had near death misses because of pricks on full licences who think the 1m rule for cyclists doesn't apply to them, that they don't need to give way to anything with less than four wheels whether it has a motor or not. In Auckland there are thousands of people who have never sat the NZ road code but are on full licences having converted their overseas licences (UK, South Korea, South Africa etc). More than half of the drivers on the road still don't know when you are turning right into a street with two lanes you stick to the lane closest to you rather than taking up two fucking lanes. How many drivers indicate when they are going straight through a roundabout and are exiting? Sweet fuck all, but if you're not as pedantic as the last point, on your testing you will fail. Screw having to do that in a manual when you're nervous as teenager trying to get your restricted.

Take all the millions of dollars wasted on "safer driving ads" which have no evidence of being effective at all and pump that into cheaper prices to sit the licences and have the providers provide the test vehicles. Change the "theory" defensive drivers courses and make them compulsory and practical based for all FULL LICENCE or RESTRICTED applications and RETESTING, put in the fear mongering from TV ads here with real life examples of fatalities, crashes, what drivers did wrong - get the drivers to critically think about how they would do things better. Teach people that CARS are a fucking lethal weapon, that once they have their "full licence" they are not in anyway SAFER or actually a BETTER DRIVER - that complacency and driver attitude kills - not the licence that they carry in their wallet. Too many drivers on the road don't know what to do or how to control their vehicle in dangerous situations and have a blase "she'll be right" attitude to their driving.

This still would not deal with the rest of the fuckwits who are repeat offenders and simply don't care/ will not be affected because they will continue to flout all the rules. Your question re: why get their learners? I think its because for most people it is the cheaper and less hassle way of getting a legal 18+ form of ID.

[mada]

Whats the bet this lady has a full...... :face palm:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8hX7JtF14s&feature=share

[Scuba_Steve]

I like it how people think forcing people to upgrade their licence is somehow gonna magically make drivers better; obviously not engaging brain, don't worry tho the Govt will do it for you...
This is a money maker pure n simple! It's not gonna make divers better, it's not gonna improve the roads, it's not gonna result in less crashes, it's just gonna result in more $$$ to the profit making company behind the licensing as people try to keep their ID's

[unstuck]

Whats the bet this lady has a full...... :face palm:



:killingme:killingme Im a known man buddy.:2thumbsup

[jasonu]

Well really if you can't get it together enough to sit your license in the one year time limit then tough shit.

[Gremlin]

I like it how people think forcing people to upgrade their licence is somehow gonna magically make drivers better; obviously not engaging brain, don't worry tho the Govt will do it for you...
This is a money maker pure n simple! It's not gonna make divers better, it's not gonna improve the roads, it's not gonna result in less crashes, it's just gonna result in more $$$ to the profit making company behind the licensing as people try to keep their ID's
It's a start. NZ Drivers need to learn that driving is a privilege, not a right. That will start when you lose your licence easily, and it's more difficult to gain it. It's not even that expensive compared to some other countries.

With the laws that have been tweaked in the last few years:
- Obtaining a licence requires a higher level of skill demonstrated.
- Losing a licence got easier. If you lose it for more than 12 months (and I've noticed a few 1 year and 1 day being handed out), then you start from scratch. Bear in mind that gets real expensive when you hold multiple classes.
- Now you have to pass through the system within a maximum time, or you lose it and start from scratch.

Remember that those on a learner's licence have never required any formal assessment of their driving, only a theory test...


Well really if you can't get it together enough to sit your license in the one year time limit then tough shit.
Well, to be fair, I simply didn't care. Sat my car learners when I passed my bike restricted (late 2005). Figured that by the time 1.5 years had passed, and I was eligible to sit my restricted car I would have had some practise... uh, nope, I was having far too much fun riding bikes. Only in late 2012 did I get serious and start seeking practise, getting some time behind the wheel etc, as I needed to drive in 2013 for work (normally I told my boss to pickup and deliver while I got to ride around :msn-wink:). Then passed the full the minimum 3 months after getting restricted :laugh:

[Scuba_Steve]

Remember that those on a learner's licence have never required any formal assessment of their driving, only a theory test...


Remember those on a learners in a car need someone with them at all times, this won't fix those which ignore that; those on a learners on a bike are putting their own life at risk so tend to learn to survive.
All in all again this solves nothing, costs more, probably results in more incompetence on NZ roads. Licence class is NOT a indication of skill on the road, it is merely a indication of the $$$ spent nothing more.

[Gremlin]

Licence class is NOT a indication of skill on the road, it is merely a indication of the $$$ spent nothing more.
Actually, for a holder of a full licence, a minimum standard can be reasonably expected. This isn't an instant fix, but over time, as more skilled drivers have licences and the ratio of unskilled drivers drop the average level of skill will rise.

Of course, your argument is that the unskilled simply won't care, won't get licences etc. Yes, there is no magic fix here either, however, when caught, there are escalating fines and punishments, vehicles impounded and eventually (probably with increased laws as well in due course) the unskilled will be taken off the roads.

Of course, instead, we could just sit around, adopt a defeatist attitude that nothing will fix the problem, and in a decade, the same problem will still exist, and probably be worse.

[Banditbandit]

Man up, do the test, get your licence, pretty simple really...

Yeah .. get the licence, only pay once - I fail to see how that is going to increase $$$$ for the Govt.

[awayatc]

Remember those on a learners in a car need someone with them at all times, this won't fix those which ignore that; those on a learners on a bike are putting their own life at risk so tend to learn to survive.
All in all again this solves nothing, costs more, probably results in more incompetence on NZ roads. Licence class is NOT a indication of skill on the road, it is merely a indication of the $$$ spent nothing more.

You cant have it both ways,

you agree with the system, or you don't...

if you don't, then don't...which means also don't get your learners

if you do, then do, and progress through the system.

all the rest is just a softcock way of coming up with lame excuses....

The alternative would be to adapt a system without learners and restricted licences...
just classes, compulsory lessons and exam for full licence....
like Europe.....

[FJRider]

all three of my nippers have passed every stage 1st time.
Guess that the 60% fail means safer roads for us all.

Have you considered ... that 60% continue to drive UNLICENSED .. ?? :eek:

[oneofsix]

all three of my nippers have passed every stage 1st time.
Guess that the 60% fail means safer roads for us all.
1st stage, that's the multi-choice scratchy, big deal, if it is a bike license it is at least the BHS which means they have shown "some" skill at pedestrian speeds in a car park. :woohoo:

[Scuba_Steve]

Actually, for a holder of a full licence, a minimum standard can be reasonably expected. This isn't an instant fix, but over time, as more skilled drivers have licences and the ratio of unskilled drivers drop the average level of skill will rise.

...

Of course, instead, we could just sit around, adopt a defeatist attitude that nothing will fix the problem, and in a decade, the same problem will still exist, and probably be worse.

Can you? 1stly I think you're a bit outta date there, the full licence is just around the block nowadays it's the restricted that "tests" drivers currently. 2ndly I've seen the people getting their restricted/full, all I can say is it worries me abit seeing the "skills" of these passed drivers.

...

Course the other option is to instigate a licensing test that actually tests whether you have the skills to be on the road or not & passes/fails based on this... Course that's not "vote friendly" so I'm not expecting it anytime soon, votes & $$$ come before Safety in NZ

[Gremlin]

Can you? 1stly I think you're a bit outta date there, the full licence is just around the block nowadays it's the restricted that "tests" drivers currently. 2ndly I've seen the people getting their restricted/full, all I can say is it worries me abit seeing the "skills" of these passed drivers.
True that the Full is mostly removing restrictions that you have on Restricted.

I sat car R and F in 2013, the "harder" tests, no problem, first time (granted, I've been riding bikes for years). I told the testing officer I'd be happy with tougher tests (on top of the improvements) and he was quite surprised, saying oh no, we're getting piles of complaints already and you want to make it harder?!

Ah well, hopefully we slowly move towards higher and higher standards.

[Drew]

Well fuck. Twenty years after getting my licence, I'm gonna need to get my full.

[scumdog]

Well fuck. Twenty years after getting my licence, I'm gonna need to get my full.


Slow learner huh???:whistle:

[Drew]

Slow learner huh???:whistle:

Never felt the need for it.

[unstuck]

Gonna be a proud moment when I go for my bike license, will be a full house then + endorsements. If I can ever get my shit together enough to actually sit the thing.:spanking:

[R650R]

Some interesting contradictions coming through in this thread.

As the majority on this forum seem to think:
rider training courses are beneficial.
That too many people don't know the road rules (wonder why)
That too man people don't indicate or indicate incorrectly (wonder why)
That too many road users aren't aware of others.

But to make people undertake professional training and submit to a test (so that at least for a brief moment n their life they are forced to acknowledge other road users) nah bro too hard and no benefit aye???

When I did my OE in UK I had to sit their HGV tests as NZ not recognised by EU. The test regime was strict and hard and a different style was needed. Doing that test upped my game and skills big time. Having to train for and pass a test forms good habits at least for a short time with some long term benefits also.

[awa355]

Some time ago, I did all 72 questions for the motorcycle theory exams on line as an exercise. What a disaster, :doh:

[jasonu]

Of course, instead, we could just sit around, adopt a defeatist attitude that nothing will fix the problem, and in a decade, the same problem will still exist, and probably be worse.

and that is the New Zealand way.

[awayatc]

because most of us never learned how to drive/ride properly,

we drive/ride like monkeys in a circus.....

banging into each other and into whatever else is around...

Giving the popo headshed a seemingly valid reason to roll out the tired "bring down the roadtoll" slogan again...

Drivers that comply with NZ minimum drivers standards are shocking....

god have mercy on us all ,since there are plenty of fuckwiths about who can't even be bothered to meet those minimum standards.........

Lets adapt a European styled system, which would fail about 90 percent of people currently on the road,

(permanent confiscate vehicle driven/ridden if unlicenced and sell by auction)

That would bring the roadtoll down......

AND we could do away with the over anal present road policing policies....(also as per European model...)

[awayatc]

Well fuck. Twenty years after getting my licence, I'm gonna need to get my full.

So what you ARE saying is that you havent got your licence.....
you started 1 or maybe even 2 steps of tbe process 20 years ago....
And you have failed to complete same process.
Surely you cant be proud of such under achievements. ?....

[Drew]

So what you ARE saying is that you havent got your licence.....
you started 1 or maybe even 2 steps of tbe process 20 years ago....
And you have failed to complete same process.
Surely you cant be proud of such under achievements. ?....That's certainly one way to look at it, and is not incorrect.

Proud of my under achievements? No. A sad commentary on the system? Much more so.

[awayatc]

ultimately every person is responsible for his /her own actions.....

it takes a bit of insight and courage to admit one's inadequacies .....

[Drew]

ultimately every person is responsible for his /her own actions.....

it takes a bit of insight and courage to admit one's inadequacies .....How am I inadequate in this context? Happy to prove my bike control ability, and knowledge of the rode rules to anyone...

Which reminds me, I must get a warrant on the wifes bike and go do GTRman's course. After the last time I said same, he took me up on my claim.

[awayatc]

How am I inadequate in this context? Happy to prove my bike control ability, and knowledge of the rode rules to anyone...

Which reminds me, I must get a warrant on the wifes bike and go do GTRman's course. After the last time I said same, he took me up on my claim.

The place to call and prove your claims is AA.......

Doesn't make you a better rider, just proves you meet NZ minimum requirements to legally operate motorcycle on public roads

Thats not to much to ask , surely...?

maybe you are a 100 x better rider then I am, but untill you got your licence that is irrelevant,
being legal would have to be the first requirement

[Drew]

The place to call and prove your claims is AA.......

Doesn't make you a better rider, just proves you meet NZ minimum requirements to legally operate motorcycle on public roads

Thats not to much to ask , surely...?

maybe you are a 100 x better rider then I am, but untill you got your licence that is irrelevant,
being legal would have to be the first requirementThe one I am doing with GTRman gets me my full also, and is one of those advanced training things at the same time.

If you are suggesting that people cannot trust me to be on the road because of my lack of qualification, we circle back to my point. The state of 90% of road users who are endorsed, is fucken woeful. Why should I bother? It's meaningless. One need only drive down the motorway on a rainy day to prove that beyond any doubt.

[awayatc]

Ok. You win , the only good drivers/ riders are the ones without a licence...


on same logic level :

I always go through red traffic lights,
coz lots of people get in accidents going through green lights....

Smoking is not bad for you...
coz lots of people get lungcancer, yet never smoked....

start smoking again,
coz I am putting on weight since I stopped

[Drew]

Ok. You win , the only good drivers/ riders are the ones without a licence...


on same logic level :

I always go through red traffic lights,
coz lots of people get in accidents going through green lights....

Smoking is not bad for you...
coz lots of people get lungcancer, yet never smoked....

start smoking again,
coz I am putting on weight since I stoppedNot at all. It is my view that the licenses held are nothing more than a way of identifying drivers, rather than a qualification for doing it.

Thus, I have never been overly concerned about upgrading mine to a full endorsement for the bike.

I will now because I'll lose it all together if I don't, and for no other reason really.

[GTRMAN]

When Drew pulls his finger out he will be sitting a CBTA assessment.....

[Ulsterkiwi]

I am curious, some of the comments here are from folks who seem to be indicating they need to get an unendorsed class 6 licence but the bikes listed in their details are not of a class they are supposedly licenced to be riding on the public roads. I am wondering how these people might.......

1. get to test ride a bike at a dealer before purchase if they cannot prove being licenced to ride said bike. (or with a private seller for that matter)
2. get insurance to ride said bike on the public roads
3. do not get pinged by Mr Popo for being in breach of licence conditions

Or am I missing something?

Akzle, please do not feel the need to reply, I am well aware of your position on licencing, insurance and all other jewry which is out to make your life miserable.

[unstuck]

Or am I missing something?

.

Yep.:innocent:

[Ulsterkiwi]

Yep.:innocent:


Dont mistake my question for indignation, I have passed my CBTA full assessment and am waiting for December which is when my 12months on 6R is completed to get my unendorsed 6. What dealer will let me ride a non-LAMS bike, what insurance company will cover me to do so and where does it say the constabulary wont take a dim view of it all while they take my licence?

so go on then, tell me........is it simply I worry to much about the law?

[release_the_bees]

Might have to book my car restricted test some time soon then. I passed my learner test in 1998, then bought a scooter and then progressed to bikes. I am still on the car learners as I've never really owned a car for long enough to bother going through the license system. The only time I drive the car is with my partner who has her full licence anyway so up until now having a learner licence has never been an issue.

[unstuck]

is it simply I worry to much about the law?

Do you? I would have no idea, seeing as I have never met you.
I always bought my bikes privately. I insure nothing I own(apart from my house), but that does not mean I shirk personal responsibility, in other words, if I fuck someone elses shit up, I pay.
I have only been caught on my bike once in 35+yrs of riding,that was a couple of years ago and I made the decision not to ride on the road until I do have a license, and I stick to that mostly. Unless I am feeling rebellious.
Cannot answer for anyone else. :2thumbsup

[Drew]

I am curious, some of the comments here are from folks who seem to be indicating they need to get an unendorsed class 6 licence but the bikes listed in their details are not of a class they are supposedly licenced to be riding on the public roads. I am wondering how these people might.......

1. get to test ride a bike at a dealer before purchase if they cannot prove being licenced to ride said bike. (or with a private seller for that matter)
2. get insurance to ride said bike on the public roads
3. do not get pinged by Mr Popo for being in breach of licence conditions

Or am I missing something?

Akzle, please do not feel the need to reply, I am well aware of your position on licencing, insurance and all other jewry which is out to make your life miserable.

I don't test ride shop bikes, but mates bikes I used to. Chucked one away though so I don't do that anymore. But ya don't need a license to buy a bike though.

[Ulsterkiwi]

Do you? I would have no idea, seeing as I have never met you.

appreciate you not presuming :rolleyes: yes, maybe I do.


I always bought my bikes privately. I insure nothing I own(apart from my house), but that does not mean I shirk personal responsibility, in other words, if I fuck someone elses shit up, I pay.
I have only been caught on my bike once in 35+yrs of riding,that was a couple of years ago and I made the decision not to ride on the road until I do have a license, and I stick to that mostly. Unless I am feeling rebellious.
Cannot answer for anyone else. :2thumbsup

fair enough, you make a decision and take responsibility for any consequences, I respect that.


I don't test ride shop bikes, but mates bikes I used to. Chucked one away though so I don't do that anymore. But ya don't need a license to buy a bike though.

true and again you make your own decisions, I have no issue with that, was just curious how others might deal to what I perceive as reasons not to do these things. Each to their own I guess! :cool:

[Drew]

When Drew pulls his finger out he will be sitting a CBTA assessment.....

Gotta get a warrant on the wifes bike first...unless you guys don't check that stuff, in which case I'll bring the RF.

[Ulsterkiwi]

Gotta get a warrant on the wifes bike first...unless you guys don't check that stuff, in which case I'll bring the RF.

oh yes they do :Police: