ACC Protest, 1 September, Wellington

[Indie]

PROTEST RIDE 1ST SEPTEMBER 2014 10AM PARLIAMENT
Enough of ACC bullshit
Share this around and get it out there the more that get there the better so get out from behind your key boards and make a stand against discrimination against motorcyclist.
same as 2009 behave and dont make us look like what they are portraying us as.
yes we are going to make a stand,yes we are going to be loud,no we are not parking at west pac stadium we are going to parliament.

On the 1st July 2015 changes made by the ACC Corporation and sanctioned by the Minister for ACC, will take effect.

Minister for ACC 5th August 2014:

“Vehicle levies will be based on safety ratings from next year, meaning those who drive safer cars will pay less, while employers will also receive a slight cut. Motorcycle and moped levies will remain the same.”

These changes show a clear and indisputable case of discrimination against Motorcyclists.

Discrimination is described in the Oxford Dictionary as the following:

“noun: The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people"


This announcement by the Minister for ACC makes it very clear that the safety of the vehicle is more important than the skill level of the operator of the vehicle. It is the New Zealand Motorcycling Community’s stance that this regime is fundamentally flawed.

Example: a learner driver of a car can pass the license theory test and then with an appropriate passenger beside them, as prescribed by the current Graduated Driving Training Legislation, drive a 1000hp car! That learner would have no experience with that sort of vehicle yet, it is legal.

Before a learner Motorcyclist can even sit the learner’s theory test they must pass a course that proves they have the basic handling skills required for a Motorcycle. This includes correct braking techniques, throttle control and emergency situations. That person must not only pass the course, they must also provide proof of this to the testing station when booking for the theory test. Furthermore, upon obtaining their permit to ride a motorcycle on the roads of New Zealand, they are then restricted to a LAMS approved motorcycle until they receive their full NZ motorcycle license. Yet despite this level of training, the Government has allowed the Minister for ACC to propagate what can only be described as blatant discrimination against the minority group that are Motorcyclists in New Zealand. This needs to change!

As a Motorcycling Community we have seen no proof offered, or even shown as considered, that takes into account the advances in motorcycle safety equipment from the manufacturers. Modern motorcycles often come with ABS, Traction Control, Multiple Power Modes for different weather and road conditions and improved suspension. On top of this, there is no consideration for the fact that the majority of riders wear far more safety gear than is required by law (the law states only a Snell or Dot approved helmet is required), and the extra training that a number of riders undertake after they get their license.

By saying that the vehicle (car) is safer because it has certain features, yet ignoring the driver education and training, does nothing but perpetuate the discrimination of the minority, which in this case is the motorcyclists of New Zealand.



This discrimination against motorcyclists needs to stop now. All we are asking for as a Motorcycling Community is to be treated, Fairly, Equitably and with Respect.

[Murray]

Bit short notice - If I can be there I will be there - nice and early to take up a car-park.

[James Deuce]

Parliament ain't in da house and there's an election a couple of weeks later.

Don Quioxte, this windmill is fucking enormous. You should bring the big lance.

[GrayWolf]

I could do it, but it is short notice,,,,,
My suggestion is.. HOLD THAT THOUGHT.... till after the election, and then lets lobby the bastards when they return to the House!!!

[BlackSheepLogic]

Interesting closing on 7 sharp a couple of nights ago. ACC is over funded and asked for reduced levies, the levies although reduced will not be reduced as much as ACC recommend thereby still over funding ACC which is just wrong.

[oneofsix]

Short notice, only most of a month. I'll be away for half of what's left of this month but will be there.
Wait for the next lot? Nah, tell the next lot what to expect unless they act and tell the voters before they vote.

[G4L4XY]

Have it in hamilton ow

[Katman]

You can stand there chanting "FUCK JUDITH COLLINS, FUCK JUDITH COLLINS.....!!!"

(Make sure it gets on TV).

[Akzle]

yeah!
Complain!
Thatll fuken learn em.

[Murray]

yeah!
Complain!
Thatll fuken learn em.

not very friendly from the friendliest city in the world

[oneofsix]

not very friendly from the friendliest city in the world

No, no he is right, let's not say or do a thing then they will really take notice. :crazy:

[dino3310]

Might be another thread on this somewhere else in KB but the more the merrier as it affects us all so come on fellow motorcycle enthusiast's sign up
http://www.change.org/petitions/the-new-zealand-government-to-consider-the-improvements-in-vehicle-safety-features-and-the-training-that-is-undertaken-to-ride-a-motorcycle-in-new-zealand-when-setting-acc-levy-fees?recruiter=85201067&utm_campaign=signature_receipt&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition#share

[Daffyd]

Done. (10 chars)

[kave]

I was at the last one and I would be happy to attend this one so long as someone can tell me why they think that this protest would be any more effective than the last (which was a nice fun ride but achieved absolutely nothing). Personally I think we have already tried the soft option and it didn't work.

What we really need is a real protest. There are plenty of traffic chokepoints around NZ, it would take bugger all bikes to bring the Auckland harbour bridge to a standstill at rush-hour (as an example). Why go cap in hand to the politicians? Instead, lets kick up a real stink and have the politicians meet us on our terms. A campaign of regular disruptive events may be more effective than a day of minor inconvenience for Wellington commuters.

[Fatt Max]

A campaign of regular disruptive events may be more effective than a day of minor inconvenience for Wellington commuters.

Good work fella, well said

[Akzle]

I was at the last one and I would be happy to attend this one so long as someone can tell me why they think that this protest would be any more effective than the last (which was a nice fun ride but achieved absolutely nothing). Personally I think we have already tried the soft option and it didn't work.

What we really need is a real protest. There are plenty of traffic chokepoints around NZ, it would take bugger all bikes to bring the Auckland harbour bridge to a standstill at rush-hour (as an example). Why go cap in hand to the politicians? Instead, lets kick up a real stink and have the politicians meet us on our terms. A campaign of regular disruptive events may be more effective than a day of minor inconvenience for Wellington commuters.

a good start, but i note a distinct lack of molitovs and severed heads on pikes...

Theres also more to the cuntry THAN FUKEN AUCKLAND.

[mrchips]

Interesting closing on 7 sharp a couple of nights ago. ACC is over funded and asked for reduced levies, the levies although reduced will not be reduced as much as ACC recommend thereby still over funding ACC which is just wrong.

Yes, i saw that on 7 sharp. The government won't allow ACC's 'recommended' reduction

[Mom]

What we really need is a real protest.

Yep!

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[Maha]

Theres also more to the cuntry THAN FUKEN AUCKLAND.

Yeah but disrupting the daily happenings in Huntly will go unnoticed.

[Voltaire]

A one off protest no matter how large and even as the lead story on the TV is unlikely to have any effect.

I suspect last time the back down was planned. " make it really high, they will protest , print some T shirts and go to some Yacht Clubs, then we drop it back to a bit less and they

go away"

The bureaucrats who run the country behind the Govt scenes are there every day, how many days can Joe Bloggs put into writing letters, attending meetings etc, that's where

the 'action' is .

maybe talk to BRONZ about it, they are the guys who are in it for the long haul, reading Govt Transport papers into the night etc.

I'll buy a T shirt, still got the last one :yes:

[Eddieb]

There's also going to be a protest at parliament on september 1st.

http://www.adventureridingnz.co.nz/forums/topic/acc-protests-at-parliament-september-1st/

[Murray]

LOOKS like its a goer according to other threads

This was attached to one of them

http://www.adventureridingnz.co.nz/forums/topic/acc-protests-at-parliament-september-1st/

[Akzle]

Yeah but disrupting the daily happenings in Huntly will go unnoticed.

what the fuck is huntly?

[FJRider]

No mention of any want/need to change the definition of what a "Motorcycle" accident actually is. Be it ... caused by a motorcycle .. involving a motorcycle ... or involving a vehicle described as a motorcycle.

A change in the format of where/how a "Motorcycle" accident is included in the statistics ... ie: Not including motorcycles that are not intended (nor being used) for on road use ...

OR ... A change to allow collection of ACC levies from buyers of said motorcycles .... not and never intended for on road legal use ... by other means.

Interesting comment ...


Example: a learner driver of a car can pass the license theory test and then with an appropriate passenger beside them, as prescribed by the current Graduated Driving Training Legislation, drive a 1000hp car! That learner would have no experience with that sort of vehicle yet, it is legal.

Aside from the fact that few (if any) 1000 HP cars are legally on the road ... they STILL need a licensed passenger beside them. Learner motorcyclists with only basic handling skills are allowed on the open road on LAM's class motorcycles (some over 600 cc) legally ... with only an L plate to show they are a learner. The pot calling the kettle black I think ...


Advances in Motorcycle safety equipment from the manufacturers

These advances are seldom seen on the LAM's class motorcycles used by the majority of learners ... the ones most at risk of having an accident.

All the best safety gear that is available on the market now ... cannot always save the rider from injury or death ... regardless of any other vehicles involved (or not) at the time of said accident.

The "Discrimination" mentioned of "Different categories of people" made me laugh ... considering how we speak about Honda, scooter ... and Harley riders. Not to mention (fucking) Cage drivers ...

[BlackSheepLogic]

What we really need is a real protest. There are plenty of traffic chokepoints around NZ, it would take bugger all bikes to bring the Auckland harbour bridge to a standstill at rush-hour (as an example). Why go cap in hand to the politicians? Instead, lets kick up a real stink and have the politicians meet us on our terms. A campaign of regular disruptive events may be more effective than a day of minor inconvenience for Wellington commuters.

I think you would just fuck a lot of people off and achieve nothing good for bikers.

[Murray]

I think you would just fuck a lot of people off and achieve nothing good for bikers.

Tough shit - theres enough bikers fucked off already - what do you do just roll over and let them keep spanking you because you might upset some people?? Thats why the last big one didnt do the job properly, everyone just looked at us and said what well behaved bikers and when they are finished with their peaceful, well organised protest they will just go away. Guess what - we did!!

[James Deuce]

Tough shit - theres enough bikers fucked off already - what do you do just roll over and let them keep spanking you because you might upset some people?? Thats why the last big one didnt do the job properly, everyone just looked at us and said what well behaved bikers and when they are finished with their peaceful, well organised protest they will just go away. Guess what - we did!!
Protest action belongs in the past. Constructive protest action would be establishing a professional, paid lobby group to make positive input into roading and licensing issues that benefit motorcyclists at best and at the very least ensure that decisions made on behalf of the motoring public include information about how things like road surface changes and the composition of road markings affect motorcycles.

The next protests action is rooted firmly in, "I didn't get what I wanted last time I tried to make a point so now I'm throwing a bigger tanty."

It will achieve nothing, especially in light of the timing. Is the goal of the protest to open a dialogue with Government and Government agencies with an aim of being included in future decisions that affect motorcycling, or is it just to let them know how "mad" you all are? Because if it's the second bit, please, for fuck's sake, don't tell anyone you're representing all motorcyclists. Some of us would like to be able to keep riding.

[Berries]

I think you would just fuck a lot of people off and achieve nothing good for bikers.
I think you need to have a look at some of the previous protest threads on KB to get a better understanding of what went before. Riding in a big group and standing around in the grounds of Parliament will achieve nothing, perhaps some empty promises to review things after the election to shut everyone up. If a real protest is to be had then unfortunately it is going to have to affect the general population so that they can see what the protest is about. It is a very fine line between getting their support and pissing them off completely.

In the end TPTB don't care about motorcyclists so any protest is doomed. We are at odds with the international decade of road safety and the government direction that is Safer Journeys. They would be happy to price us all off the road.

[Murray]

Is the goal of the protest to open a dialogue with Government and Government agencies with an aim of being included in future decisions that affect motorcycling

Hahahahahahahahahah

Like the MSAC

Got that and whats it done to address the imbalance in ACC fees for motorcycle groups

[James Deuce]

Hahahahahahahahahah

Like the MSAC

Got that and whats it done to address the imbalance in ACC fees for motorcycle groups

The MSAC isn't a lobby group. It's a Quango. Your point is irrelevant.

[Murray]

being included in future decisions that affect motorcycling

I believe MSAC was originally started to be exactly that - yes it has been shanghied and some good people who put forward motorcyclists views badly treated.

Of course we also have Bronz

http://www.adventureridingnz.co.nz/forums/topic/acc-protests-at-parliament-september-1st/

looks like their dialogue with the Government is not on great terms either

Re your comment
Some of us would like to be able to keep riding. (pretty dramatic)

In response
Some of us would like to be able to afford to keep riding

[Drew]

Every pissed off biker, remove your plate for the first two months of summer.

Do not break any other laws, and let the ticket go to court. Give a defense argument that you are being unfairly discriminated against.

The sheer number of cases will over load the courts to the point of breaking, and the message will become quite a large problem for the whole country...very quickly.

Effective, simple, and probably the least amount of time and effort for those who actually wish to make a difference.

Just a thought.

[FJRider]

what the fuck is huntly?

I'm guessing ... nowhere near Terenga Paraoa.

Wherever the fuck that is .. ?? :scratch:

Somewhere near Taupo ... maybe .. :shifty:

[hayd3n]

Nc handling skills are allowed on the open road on LAM's class motorcycles (some over 600 cc) legally ... with only an L plate to show they are a learner. The pot calling the kettle black I think ...



These advances are seldom seen on the LAM's class motorcycles used by the majority of learners ... the ones most at risk of having an accident.

All the best safety gear that is available on the market now ... cannot always save the rider from injury or death ... regardless of any other vehicles involved (or not) at the time of said accident.

The "Discrimination" mentioned of "Different categories of people" made me laugh ... considering how we speak about Honda, scooter ... and Harley riders. Not to mention (fucking) Cage drivers ...

[QUOTE=FJRider;1130757575]

link to infoy stuff http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Research/Documents/Motorcycles-2013-final.pdf


isint it the oldies having crashes?
thats kinda why they put the acc up with the bigger bikes isint it?

[Maha]

what the fuck is huntly?

A place where you were possibly conceived in the car park of the local RSA.

[James Deuce]

I believe MSAC was originally started to be exactly that - yes it has been shanghied and some good people who put forward motorcyclists views badly treated.

Of course we also have Bronz

http://www.adventureridingnz.co.nz/forums/topic/acc-protests-at-parliament-september-1st/

looks like their dialogue with the Government is not on great terms either

Re your comment
Some of us would like to be able to keep riding. (pretty dramatic)

In response
Some of us would like to be able to afford to keep riding

MSAC is a Quango. You shoul dlook up the definition. It was setup as a sop to the "grumpy bikers". It was designed to suck up time and resource without producing outcomes. It has worked thus far. It is not a lobby group. You need to look up the definiton of that too.

BRONZ have never managed to be a consistent, professional lobby group throughout their entire history. They have the odd moment, but they are not professional lobbyists. They aren't paid fulltime lobbyists with aprorpriate tertriary qualifications and access to the political process. They are that very dangerous thing, "enthusiastic volunteers". Fractured, without clear goals and whining about things being unfair without ever producing an outcome while soaking up time and resources. Hey look! Two organisations not achieving anything. 2 points to the National Party-led Government. 0 points motorcycling. Les did a fantastic job last time round and you all shit on him from a great height. He managed to horse trade an outcome that didn't kill motorcycling on the spot.

We need someone like this: https://twitter.com/CrossrdsRider

Has a PhD in Transport Politics. Effects change. Stays on target. Works with the opponents to humanise riders and their issues.

Throwing a wobbly and letting the Government dictate the terms of "our" interface with Government, like was done with MSAC, is not the sort of thing this chap would have advocated or supported.

Motorcycling needs a professional lobby group. Not angry revolutionary volunteers or Government patsies, clever people who know how the system works and how to work it.

[FJRider]

isint it the oldies having crashes?
thats kinda why they put the acc up with the bigger bikes isint it?

Your quoting skills need work ... or is it just the cold in Dunedin that's affecting your typing .. ?? :innocent:

This "Oldie" managed to take his 1200 into Falls dam with NO issues ... while a few (younger) Dunedin'ites on smaller machines had a few issues ... :facepalm:

As I recall ... learners and the "Born again Bikers" are the most at risk.


The biggest reason for the increase in the ACC levies ... was idiots being idiots on the road (not always the Biker at fault) ... and lack of appropriate safety gear. Combine both those issues ... and pain/suffering will result. Usually long term for said Biker.

ACC subsidies on safety gear may be worth asking for. If ACC is "Overfunded" ... for PR sake alone ... they may wear it .. (so to speak)

Even BRONZ will admit ... better Rider training WILL be of benefit long term to ALL riders ... and if such training is required prior to acquiring a license ... I fail to see the downside. The downside is (older/experienced) riders not following the simple practices (wearing ATGATT) and not remembering/using the safety skills they were required to learn at the start.

Those that continue to ignore the basic road rules (if it suits at the time) are hardly in a position to point fingers at other road users for causing the levy status.

[pritch]

disrupting the daily happenings in Huntly will go unnoticed.

Yeah, and interupting a liquor store holdup (apparently almost a daily happening in Huntly? ) would probably be seen as pro government. :whistle:

[Ocean1]

We need someone like this: https://twitter.com/CrossrdsRider

Has a PhD in Transport Politics. Effects change. Stays on target. Works with the opponents to humanise riders and their issues.

I like him!

I've met a few of that calibre here, though. Not sure what results UK bikers are getting, but there's several steps between bikers and related govt policy that represent substantial hurdles here. We don't have anything resembling the Beeb's far more impartial, professional journalism to start with.

[nodrog]

What a waste of petrol.

dont you cunts understand that not paying your registration is the most effective form of protest.

[GrayWolf]

I like him!

I've met a few of that calibre here, though. Not sure what results UK bikers are getting, but there's several steps between bikers and related govt policy that represent substantial hurdles here. We don't have anything resembling the Beeb's far more impartial, professional journalism to start with.

I was also at Bikoi, from what I saw we had at least a couple of people up front on the steps who could have been ideal to carry out this type of 'action' (converse with the grey men/women). One was a 60ish school teacher. Unfortunately, the time for the 'rabble rousers' which were needed to motivate the 'masses' was past at Bikoi, and this asset was by the looks not utilised.

I was in the UK as were a few others from previous threads for the anti leg protector protests, this was a mass protest in conjunction with a group 'action' politically. What NZ seems to fail in IS the continuous effort in dialogue with the grey men...

[Voltaire]

Tough shit - theres enough bikers fucked off already - what do you do just roll over and let them keep spanking you because you might upset some people?? Thats why the last big one didnt do the job properly, everyone just looked at us and said what well behaved bikers and when they are finished with their peaceful, well organised protest they will just go away. Guess what - we did!!

I'm not fucked off and I have 3 registered bikes.:woohoo:
I was talking to an Aussie guy at work and he said it was the best part of 2K a year for rego and compulsory insurance. Licences expire over there too so if your coming back to biking its a LAMS bike to start with.
Oh...and he said that if you organise a ride with more than so many in it its Police notifiable.:shit:

[tri boy]

What a waste of petrol.

dont you cunts understand that not paying your registration is the most effective form of protest.

He right, dat man.
Several hundy for a slip of paper to make me feel special.
Farrrk off.

[Ocean1]

What NZ seems to fail in IS the continuous effort in dialogue with the grey men...

Where NZ fails is in restraining our innate tall poppy bashing tendency from kneecapping anyone so far up themselves as to presume to represent anyone.

Which is a pity. Because left to their own devices those grey men tend to turn that particular type of anarchic rabble into the sort of 1994 you now have in parts of Oz.

[Akzle]

Every pissed off biker, remove your plate for the first two months of summer.

Do not break any other laws, and let the ticket go to court. Give a defense argument that you are being unfairly discriminated against.

The sheer number of cases will over load the courts to the point of breaking, and the message will become quite a large problem for the whole country...very quickly.

Effective, simple, and probably the least amount of time and effort for those who actually wish to make a difference.

Just a thought.

no. court is all paid up (thanks you) so they'll just fuck your ass for years while waiting to process you.

remove the plate permanently. better idea.

[Mom]

He right, dat man.
Several hundy for a slip of paper to make me feel special.
Farrrk off.

Awesome individual protest action which sadly can never be successful unless everyone does it. Most commuters here in the shitty city could never afford the revenue gathering tickets that would inevitably be issued. Easy quota pickings for plod when you travel the same route every day.

I am actually supportive of Drews suggestion, but again, it needs to be a class action.

[BlackSheepLogic]

Tough shit - theres enough bikers fucked off already - what do you do just roll over and let them keep spanking you because you might upset some people?? Thats why the last big one didnt do the job properly, everyone just looked at us and said what well behaved bikers and when they are finished with their peaceful, well organised protest they will just go away. Guess what - we did!!

My thinking is more in line with James, advocates, lobbyists, dialog, and working with those making the decisions. Confrontation won't yield long term change and understanding.

[nodrog]

Awesome individual protest action which sadly can never be successful unless everyone does it. Most commuters here in the shitty city could never afford the revenue gathering tickets that would inevitably be issued. Easy quota pickings for plod when you travel the same route every day.

I am actually supportive of Drews suggestion, but again, it needs to be a class action.

How many people do you know of that regularly gets tickets for no rego and nothing else? If you are getting pulled over I bet havig unpaid rego is the least of your problems, ie dont ride like a dick and you will be fine.

[bart]

Why not give discounted rego to people who’ve continuiously regestered a motorcycle for more than 3 years. This could be a fair way of targeting new riders and born agains.

[Night Falcon]

My motorcycle accident has, and is, costing ACC a poultice and was caused by wandering stock on the road; why do my ACC levies have to increase because farmers fencing isn't sufficient to keep stock in their paddocks? - after all, I know people who have been seriously injured in the same circumstances in cars.

If its because I'm more at risk of injury on a motorcycle why isn't ACC going after mountain bikers, skiers, cyclists, snowboarders, roller skaters and skateboarders= they all wear far less safety gear than I do? least my motorcycle had breaks that worked unlike most of those guys who only have skin friction to slow em up? me no comprendy johnky?

[pomgolian]

I wonder if there are stats on non registered bike accidents inc quads which are being lumped together to make the picture worse and giving them reason to charge registered bikes an arm and a leg - I think this would be a better argument to apportion costs per user groups accordingly - can you imagine the uproar if unregistered bikes had an ACC levy charge.

On the sheep front Marty coming back across SH5 today 4 bikes followed me for a long while looked like newish F800 & F650 amongst them and I passed three sheep grazing on the kerb then round the next bend a few wild goats risking their necks, all the bikes caught me up in Bay View so nobody got lambed

[Flip]

Well if its serious I will be there with as many other riders as I can muster mister.

Hopefully there will be a bit of disruption on the day.

[Mom]

How many people do you know of that regularly gets tickets for no rego and nothing else? If you are getting pulled over I bet havig unpaid rego is the least of your problems, ie dont ride like a dick and you will be fine.

You don't live in the shittiest city. We have regular random rego/wof check stops here. Lets not forget booze checks at any time of the day. All hours/all the time/any day, you are not safe ever. I thought seriously about taking that action back in the day, but soon realised I could not personally afford the tickets for my random, no rego tickets, while I rode to work every day. Why should I pay for a personal protest without support? Therein is the crux of this sort of protest, FAIL!


UTTER FAIL. Having said that, Millie's rego is on hold currently. Currently, I am not commuting...

[caseye]

I too support DREW'S idea.
Mom's right ( isn't she always?) it must be "everyone"
Then when their attention has been well and truly gained, actually give them information and ideas that will help get us all past the posts when it comes to road safety, ACC and funding for specific motorcycle issues.
For instance, scrap the stupid MSCG, keep the fucking money but promise to put it into a group of actually motorcyclist voted in people who's specific task IS to make all roads bike friendly.
Adjust cambers, proper seal, impact reducing barriers, covering road side furniture in stuff that stops riders being ripped apart.
Educate car drivers so they DO Know where to look/
It won't happen overnight, we'd all be in for the long haul, but our kids would benefit from anything positive and practical we can achieve.
I'd ride again and I've ridden on em all in the last 20 odd years.
If it was to get the govt of the days attention and then to make them listen and accommodate us as proper licenced road users entitled to the same rights and privilages as any other motorists is, I'd ride for that.

[swarfie]

I'm not fucked off and I have 3 registered bikes.:woohoo:

I also have 3 of my current 7 register-able bikes paid up and still get a "little miffed" (to say the fucking least) that my ACC quota is over the top. At the last protest rally I put it to the National poly (that actually had the nuts to front up to what was a pretty rowdy crowd...thick skinned cunts that they are:yes:) that how on earth he saw it as fair that one person couldn't ride several bikes at one time, but in order to be a law abiding citizen had to pay more than one lot of a tax to do so. He made it plainly obvious that he couldn't give a rats posterior.:tugger: As such I told him in no uncertain terms that he would NEVER get my vote...not that that was ever going to worry him. I'm fast coming to agree with Nodrog. The actual chances of getting away with it as long as your'e not doing anything stupid, is actually pretty good. I can see that commuting on a regular route means your'e more at risk of being nabbed but what the hell, it's worth the risk I reckon. I've got a mate that's been getting away with it for years and he thinks I'm completely bonkers being a law abiding citizen.:innocent:

Rant over

[Voltaire]

I also have 3 of my current 7 register-able bikes paid up and still get a "little miffed" (to say the fucking least) that my ACC quota is over the top. At the last protest rally I put it to the National poly (that actually had the nuts to front up to what was a pretty rowdy crowd...thick skinned cunts that they are:yes:) that how on earth he saw it as fair that one person couldn't ride several bikes at one time, but in order to be a law abiding citizen had to pay more than one lot of a tax to do so. He made it plainly obvious that he couldn't give a rats posterior.:tugger: As such I told him in no uncertain terms that he would NEVER get my vote...not that that was ever going to worry him. I'm fast coming to agree with Nodrog. The actual chances of getting away with it as long as your'e not doing anything stupid, is actually pretty good. I can see that commuting on a regular route means your'e more at risk of being nabbed but what the hell, it's worth the risk I reckon. I've got a mate that's been getting away with it for years and he thinks I'm completely bonkers being a law abiding citizen.:innocent:

Rant over


Post up selfies of you and your expired bike rego out on the road :woohoo:
http://www.newyorker.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Monkey-Selfie-320.jpg
If a monkey can manage it KB riders might :lol:

[swarfie]

Post up selfies of you and your expired bike rego out on the road :woohoo:
http://www.newyorker.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Monkey-Selfie-320.jpg
If a monkey can manage it KB riders might :lol:

Is statue Johnny boy?

:laugh::laugh::killingme:killingme:2thumbsup:2thum bsup

[nerrrd]

That monkey is awesome.

Aren't they also going to bring in 'risk-based' fees for cars as well with these changes? We've got no chance of changing any government minds if that's the case.

Might be one or two drivers of old/cheap cars keen to join in though when they do.

[bucket boy]

How many people do you know of that regularly gets tickets for no rego and nothing else? , ie dont ride and leave your bike in the garage and you will be fine like me.

fixed your quote for you gordon

[willytheekid]

Post up selfies of you and your expired bike rego out on the road :woohoo:

If a monkey can manage it KB riders might :lol:

:eek:THAT'S BRILLENT!!

...wait:blink:


...hang on:p


(Bloody hard to train aint they:sweatdrop)


...nearly there!!


....AHHH!!!!....THEY BITE!!!:crazy:


...fucker


....STAY!!:mad:


:eek:there!....Perfect!!:D

http://www.motorcycleinsurance.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Motorcycle-monkey.jpg

"reads instructions again"

...goddammit!:facepalm: (I may need the assistance of an adullt)

[ruaphu]

:eek:THAT'S BRILLENT!!

...wait:blink:


...hang on:p


(Bloody hard to train aint they:sweatdrop)


...nearly there!!


....AHHH!!!!....THEY BITE!!!:crazy:


...fucker


....STAY!!:mad:


:eek:there!....Perfect!!:D



"reads instructions again"

...goddammit!:facepalm: (I may need the assistance of an adullt)

FFS bro................. Wher'd Rego?, thats a do over, lol

[jasonu]

Every pissed off biker, remove your plate for the first two months of summer.

Do not break any other laws, and let the ticket go to court. Give a defense argument that you are being unfairly discriminated against.

The sheer number of cases will over load the courts to the point of breaking, and the message will become quite a large problem for the whole country...very quickly.

Effective, simple, and probably the least amount of time and effort for those who actually wish to make a difference.

Just a thought.

That has a better chance of getting attention than any other ideas on this thread. Good luck getting EVERY motorcyclist to do it though. It won't work if you can't achieve that.

[nodrog]

fixed your quote for you gordon

Its past your bedtime Shaun.

[kave]

My bikes are my only transport. I commute every day around central Auckland, and also do a little riding as part of my job. Since the bikoi my regos have been on hold (2 bikes), it's my daily protest. If you keep your eyes open the police shouldn't be an issue, there are only something like 8,000 sworn officers for the whole of NZ and they aren't all on duty at once. Even if you do get pulled over once or twice you are probably still going to be ahead of the game financially (particularly if you have multiple bikes or higher cc bikes).

[hayd3n]

no claims bonus for the no claimers?

[FJRider]

My motorcycle accident has, and is, costing ACC a poultice and was caused by wandering stock on the road; why do my ACC levies have to increase because farmers fencing isn't sufficient to keep stock in their paddocks? - after all, I know people who have been seriously injured in the same circumstances in cars.

ACC is "No fault" insurance ... who is at fault in an accident is irrelevant to claim compensation. But the "Risk" of serious injury (or worse) after hitting wandering stock is greater ... riding a motorcycle


If its because I'm more at risk of injury on a motorcycle why isn't ACC going after mountain bikers, skiers, cyclists, snowboarders, roller skaters and skateboarders= they all wear far less safety gear than I do? least my motorcycle had breaks that worked unlike most of those guys who only have skin friction to slow em up? me no comprendy johnky?

Because ... Mountain bikes (and bycycles), Skis, snowboards, rollerskates and skateboards are not required to be registered.

Perhaps they should be ... it would be easy then to add a levy to them then. But for the moment ... they can't and don't.

[swbarnett]

it's my daily protest. If you keep your eyes open the police shouldn't be an issue,
Hardly a protest if no-one notices.

Now, if we ALL turned up to parliament and made a bonfire of our rego labels then that would be a protest.

[buggerit]

Mate was stopped sat and sun for rego checks on his bikes on coro loop, all legal, but are they targeting fav weekend roads for on hold regos at the moment?

[buggerit]

Re post 51, I thought Gareth rode a BMW;)

[Voltaire]

PROTEST RIDE 1ST SEPTEMBER 2014 10AM PARLIAMENT
Enough of ACC bullshit
Share this around and get it out there the more that get there the better so get out from behind your key boards and make a stand against discrimination against motorcyclist.
same as 2009 behave and dont make us look like what they are portraying us as.
yes we are going to make a stand,yes we are going to be loud,no we are not parking at west pac stadium we are going to parliament.

On the 1st July 2015 changes made by the ACC Corporation and sanctioned by the Minister for ACC, will take effect.

Minister for ACC 5th August 2014:

“Vehicle levies will be based on safety ratings from next year, meaning those who drive safer cars will pay less, while employers will also receive a slight cut. Motorcycle and moped levies will remain the same.”

These changes show a clear and indisputable case of discrimination against Motorcyclists.

Discrimination is described in the Oxford Dictionary as the following:

“noun: The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people"


This announcement by the Minister for ACC makes it very clear that the safety of the vehicle is more important than the skill level of the operator of the vehicle. It is the New Zealand Motorcycling Community’s stance that this regime is fundamentally flawed.

Example: a learner driver of a car can pass the license theory test and then with an appropriate passenger beside them, as prescribed by the current Graduated Driving Training Legislation, drive a 1000hp car! That learner would have no experience with that sort of vehicle yet, it is legal.

Before a learner Motorcyclist can even sit the learner’s theory test they must pass a course that proves they have the basic handling skills required for a Motorcycle. This includes correct braking techniques, throttle control and emergency situations. That person must not only pass the course, they must also provide proof of this to the testing station when booking for the theory test. Furthermore, upon obtaining their permit to ride a motorcycle on the roads of New Zealand, they are then restricted to a LAMS approved motorcycle until they receive their full NZ motorcycle license. Yet despite this level of training, the Government has allowed the Minister for ACC to propagate what can only be described as blatant discrimination against the minority group that are Motorcyclists in New Zealand. This needs to change!

As a Motorcycling Community we have seen no proof offered, or even shown as considered, that takes into account the advances in motorcycle safety equipment from the manufacturers. Modern motorcycles often come with ABS, Traction Control, Multiple Power Modes for different weather and road conditions and improved suspension. On top of this, there is no consideration for the fact that the majority of riders wear far more safety gear than is required by law (the law states only a Snell or Dot approved helmet is required), and the extra training that a number of riders undertake after they get their license.

By saying that the vehicle (car) is safer because it has certain features, yet ignoring the driver education and training, does nothing but perpetuate the discrimination of the minority, which in this case is the motorcyclists of New Zealand.



This discrimination against motorcyclists needs to stop now. All we are asking for as a Motorcycling Community is to be treated, Fairly, Equitably and with Respect.

Where is the one post wonder gone?
Not that bloke Drummer back to create an election distraction....:lol:

[nodrog]

"Hey look a massive group of motorcyclists", "they look angry and sound quite upset", "yeah but At least they are still paying for what they are whinging about", "true, let them rant its cute".

[Flip]

Bring back stony!

[caseye]

Bring back stony!

Given a fair go, he'd get it done.
Wasn't all STONEY, but hell, he made things happen that others could not even dream of.

[willytheekid]

"Hey look a massive group of motorcyclist", "they look angry and sound quite upset", "yeah but At least they are still paying for what they are whinging about", "true, let them rant its cute".

This +1


Here's a thought-:whistle:

number of reg motorcyclist - 50k ish

Number of NZ police - 16k ish

Number of parliments/Beehive's - 1!

So if just HALF of us turn up with the attitude of "take from us...and we take from you!"...and we TAKE there little beehive for "negotiations"...exactly WHO could stop us? :shifty:

http://bitsandpieces.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/imagesjfk-on-revolution2_small.jpg

...Sit in anyone? :innocent:


*yes!...all figures have been roughly made up...fuck knows what the actual figures are lol(use google thingy!)...but I do know we grossly out number ANY group that could possibly be dumb enough to "try" and stop such an action

[mashman]

yeah!
Complain!
Thatll fuken learn em.

... again ...

[bogan]

How many people do you know of that regularly gets tickets for no rego and nothing else? If you are getting pulled over I bet havig unpaid rego is the least of your problems, ie dont ride like a dick and you will be fine.

It's the meter maids that get ya. Off street parking at work makes it a no brainer for me though.

[The Reibz]

Can you still pay for a rego by cheque in the mail?
You think NZTA would mind if I took a peice of my own shit, put in in a courier bag and sent it to them as a payment?

Please Respond...

[Trade_nancy]

It's the meter maids that get ya. Off street parking at work makes it a no brainer for me though.

That's right. The wife got ticketed by council nazis for no rego in her car last month while parked in a city street. Luckily she got off by letter as we had just paid for it over the internet. A week later my son got a ticket on his Firestorm when he (stupidly) parked it on the street while in the bank...his was on hold. So two in two weeks.
I have also been stopped twice in the last year by police road blocks JUST for a WOF and REGO check. Once coming through Tokomaru on a Sunday avo and again in December last on the way back from Burt Munro - on main drag out of Havelock on the way back to the Picton ferry. That was damned lucky as I had left the bike on hold for 7 weeks and hesitated about paying $140 for 3 months rego before departing for the Burt. Decided not to chance it. All the way down east coast to Invergiggle, up across Central Otago and over the Haast - all the way up West coast over a period of 8 days - I though FUCK wasted $140.....BUT there they were at Havelock. 40 mins to the end. Made the right call.
I'm on hold now and have been 3 months. I'll leave it till October and will pay through to end March. happy to pay 6 months price fo 12 months use. Seems a more reasonable fee.

[Reckless]

I like Drews suggestion to but its not only cops up in Dorkland its every parking warden as well.
Won't take long for the cops and councils to realise bikes are in easy $150-00.
Also wont take long for them to put demerits on that either.

They have already worked out what Cage driver will do!
"Oh goody money back! Whats yours $90, oh mines $50" bugger!
Ah well next car I'll get $90, all good and then it'll be forgotten and ACC is turned into risk based insurance with a captive market.
Divide and conquer!
They have already planned what we will do and the response if ACC where true to its roots our rego would be the same as cars? No Fault???

I'm passionate about this but buggered if I know what we can do to be honest.
Moms 100% correct tho, it has to be all of us and that's where they win.
Bikers by nature are individualists, thats our problem, getting along with each other and being organised, and they know it.
They got exactly what they wanted last time, little disruption, organised parking, and the fee's they wanted.

I don't mean to be negative and will ride in support no problem, but its numbers we need.
I'm actually leaning towards stronger action but it has to be 1000 in each city not 100?
That's the hard bit?

Ups to Bronz for doing something we have no one else.

[GrayWolf]

Given a fair go, he'd get it done.
Wasn't all STONEY, but hell, he made things happen that others could not even dream of.

Yes he did 'get things done', and not just on his own, Stoney was/is a 'rabble rouser' for want of a better phrase, who could 'rouse the masses'. But there comes the time when the rabble rouser needs to step aside and let those more skilled in the art of dealing with the 'grey men' step forwards. Stoney didnt know when to step aside!

[Night Falcon]

ACC is "No fault" insurance ... who is at fault in an accident is irrelevant to claim compensation. But the "Risk" of serious injury (or worse) after hitting wandering stock is greater ... riding a motorcycle

a no fault insurance that weights the cost of recovery on to the more vulnerable party regardless of the circumstance is a no fault insurance?



Because ... Mountain bikes (and bycycles), Skis, snowboards, rollerskates and skateboards are not required to be registered.

Perhaps they should be ... it would be easy then to add a levy to them then. But for the moment ... they can't and don't.

Its an industry based risk model that singles out motorcyclists as a high risk industry and ignores other high risk sports industries - because they can whack their costs onto our rego is convenient but irrelevant - one rule for all?

Certainly they should be levying these sports even if its only to be seen to be applying an even hand? Ironically my guess is it wont happen because the political risk/cost will be too high

[haydes55]

a no fault insurance that weights the cost of recovery on to the more vulnerable party regardless of the circumstance is a no fault insurance?







Its an industry based risk model that singles out motorcyclists as a high risk industry and ignores other high risk sports industries - because they can whack their costs onto our rego is convenient but irrelevant - one rule for all?



Certainly they should be levying these sports even if its only to be seen to be applying an even hand? Ironically my guess is it wont happen because the political risk/cost will be too high


Motorcycle levies are high because we are at greater risk. Along the same vain, I propose taxing alter boys a high levy to cover the cost of legal aid, because they are at greater risk of being victims of pedophiles.

Also, from now on, women will pay higher income tax to also cover the legal aid for covering rape cases.

[Voltaire]

I don't have a problem paying and ACC levy.
What I have a problem with is paying it multiple times and to add insult to injury ( no pun intended) you pay friggin GST on it.
Its just a rort ( great Aussie word that) double dipping.

Here is the Govt Transcript
http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/government-delivers-480-million-reduction-acc-levies
It says that motorcycle ones are already low and should be $1200 to $1900 a year.
So Mr BRONZ Wellington Representative please explain how you perceive this to be discrimination?
Or do you cling on to the 1967 " no fault' Woodhouse version. What was the most powerful bike in 1967...er a 45 HP Triumph Bonneville....today its like 180 hp BMW
As Katman pointed out, perhaps 'we' should stop having accidents.

Question for the panel:
" if GST is a Goods and Service Tax"
What goods and service are we receiving for the ACC Levy, which after all is a Tax no an insurance premium?
I have multiple bikes insured but its not like I pay the same for each one as you get a discount therefore the GST on that is less.

[Berries]

You think NZTA would mind if I took a peice of my own shit, put in in a courier bag and sent it to them as a payment?

Please Respond...
Why not go down and deliver it yourself in person and save the courier fee?

[oneblackflag]

But the amount of registration is set due to the unsafe nature of motorbike riding

The problem is it's not unsafe when you're fast and smooth

[Berries]

A much fairer system would be to whack registration for car owners who cause motorcycle crashes up to the level of motorcycles for life.
And of course those who manage to crash their bikes all on their own without any outside assistance should have their levy doubled for life and be banned at the same time.

[swarfie]

What I can't fathom about Herr Collins press release is the bit about dropping the levy on petrol by 3 cents a litre when Djonkey has only just put three cents ON the price of petrol to "pay" for the roading projects (which we've been already paying for with the petrol tax anyway)....Jeez don't those buggers talk to each other? :facepalm::shutup:

[Flip]

I don't see any planning happening and it is beginning to sound like Bronz or Indie (one, the other or both) are full of shit.

Who is this Indie guy, anybody in Wtn know?

[Murray]

Who is this Indie guy, anybody in Wtn know?

Its a Gal and shes been on the site 7 days now and made 4 posts

[The Reibz]

The fact that this is a peaceful protest in which everyone has to behave themselves (for some unknown reason) means that it won't work. Chances of it even getting TV coverage before 6:55 is sweet fuck all.
Show up on a unrego'd bike going wheelies/burnouts and riding much like they do in the Ride of the Century and people would probably take notice. I few gray headed cunts gathered outside of Parliament for a quick koreo isn't going to do shit...

[Hitcher]

There's some great discussion happening here. Discussion that should have been had to agree the basis of any "protest" before that protest took place.

[oneofsix]

There's some great discussion happening here. Discussion that should have been had to agree the basis of any "protest" before that protest took place.

Yes, let's keep discussing the basis of protest, has been done on numerous previous threads, it is good that we can all discuss these things so well and it gives the stooges more opportunity to derail any change that as a group we will ever do anything, especially at a time while the pollies are running around polishing their egos.

OR we could take a leaf from the book of the anti-caged farming and other numerous groups that have decided that an election run up is just the right time to tell the politicians that there is a group of voters that are upset enough to get of the collective arses. Remember politicians like us to be compliant and for NZer's to do anything but be compliant is a worry to all politicians and their masters.

[Voltaire]

As ACC is about the vehicle driver/rider surely it would make sense ( but less money) for it to be levied on your licence not your vehicle.
They could make payable on the highest risk say for example , motorcycles.
This would then cover you for lower rated vehicles.
The licence holder could then opt if they no longer rode motorcycle to have that removed.
That may help reduce the amount of returnees who buy powerful bikes that they are not really up to riding, if this is indeed the case until they did training and bought a LAMS bike.
Previously it may have been " too hard" to administer, but to register on line you need your licence anyway, so would be easy to set up.

But clearly its about getting as much money as you can by the easiest means.:angry2:

I'm not against paying a fair amount, its paying it on multiple vehicles and the GST on what it not really goods or service than annoy me.:violin:

[Trade_nancy]

Absolute sense from you Voltaire....I nominate you as leader.

[Drew]

Given a fair go, he'd get it done.
Wasn't all STONEY, but hell, he made things happen that others could not even dream of.

Yeah. Like being the biggest tool.

[bogan]

Yeah. Like being the biggest tool.

To be fair, he got the boot from motonz for not being a big enough tool though.

[Drew]

To be fair, he got the boot from motonz for not being a big enough tool though.I find that, very hard to believe.

[caseye]

He's a friend of mine, has been for a very long time, he didn't cow tou to Morgan and co and got booted by none other than NS for continuing to pass on the councils decisions to us here at KB and anywhere else that showed an actual interest.

[Drew]

He's a hothead, that goes off half cocked. Trust me, I know a thing or two about being a hothead.

[caseye]

Really!.
I'd neva have thunked it Drew, knot you.
Yes he is I ain't going to deny that, nor am I going to let the chance to perhaps shed a little light on a subject a lot here don't or never knew about.
Your opinion is yours, I'm not going to try to change it.
But I am going to look out for my mate where I can.

[Swoop]

And of course those who manage to crash their bikes all on their own without any outside assistance should have their levy doubled for life and be banned at the same time.
Well, that's GSXR's fucked then!

[Berries]

Well, that's GSXR's fucked then!
GN1000R will be ok though.

[Flip]

Well I am calling this one as a hoax.

[GTRMAN]

Well I am calling this one as a hoax.

No hoax Phil

[Flip]

No hoax Phil

I havent seen any supporting documentation other than a couple of posts by a KB newby saying that it is on. There is nothing on any of the Bronz web pages who was reported as being the organising body.

If there is any media/web page/or any thing else that supports this not being a hoax I would like to see it before I book leave to turn up. Failing that if it is brown and smells like a turd it is probably a turd.

[GTRMAN]

Check out the bronz Facebook page

[Howie]

Check out the bronz Facebook page

For a national organisation to rely on facebook as it's main form of communication about a protest is risky as not everyone uses facebook! I would expect to see something on that organisations website and regional pages.

[Akzle]

i'll take this opportunity to say that facebook is full of faggots and cunts and pwned by ciajews.
and NOTHING important has, or will, ever, happen on it.

that is all.

[caseye]

i'll take this opportunity to say that facebook is full of faggots and cunts and pwned by ciajews.
and NOTHING important has, or will, ever, happen on it.

that is all.

+ One.
Geez Akzle, stop making sense will ya!

[GrayWolf]

Yes, let's keep discussing the basis of protest, has been done on numerous previous threads, it is good that we can all discuss these things so well and it gives the stooges more opportunity to derail any change that as a group we will ever do anything, especially at a time while the pollies are running around polishing their egos.

OR we could take a leaf from the book of the anti-caged farming and other numerous groups that have decided that an election run up is just the right time to tell the politicians that there is a group of voters that are upset enough to get of the collective arses. Remember politicians like us to be compliant and for NZer's to do anything but be compliant is a worry to all politicians and their masters.

We had a good chance last time....
I've said this before, there were a couple 'old grey' peopleon the Gubbermint steps at Bikoi, THEY should have been the ones involved with Motonz and political discussion. Whether you are a Stoney supporter or not, there is a time for loud rabble rousers, and a time for 'old grey's' if you like to be the face of discussion..... without someone like this, (and I agree with JD totally that we need a 'professional' political negotiator/mediator) any future protests are going to get the exact same 'shafting' from the grey men, as last time.

[Akzle]

there is a time for...old grey's'.

no, their time is passed. they all need to fuck off and die so that some non-jew cunts can stop, and hopefully reverse, the fuckery of those old grey dipshytes.

[GrayWolf]

no, their time is passed. they all need to fuck off and die so that some non-jew cunts can stop, and hopefully reverse, the fuckery of those old grey dipshytes.

You truly are a racist numbnuts..... I bet you have a portrait of Hitler on your wall, eh???

In fact if you believe that the 'old grey's' etc time is past? ( I wont even BOTHER repeating your other racist diatribe) Then from your mediocre ability to produce any valid discourse, intercourse or missive. Under the regime you espouse, you'd be one of the first to be heading to the chambers.

[Akzle]

You truly are a racist numbnuts..... I bet you have a portrait of Hitler on your wall, eh???

In fact if you believe that the 'old grey's' etc time is past? ( I wont even BOTHER repeating your other racist diatribe) Then from your mediocre ability to produce any valid discourse, intercourse or missive. Under the regime you espouse, you'd be one of the first to be heading to the chambers.

you are so clueless it's almost not worth dignifying by response. but i will, but only to say that you're one of them old white cunts.

the ironing in your post is also worth immortalising in post-quotage.

get with the times man.

[Maha]

you are so clueless it's almost not worth dignifying by response. but i will, but only to say that you're one of them old white cunts.

the ironing in your post is also worth immortalising in post-quotage.

get with the times man.

The ironing? that be woman's work and shit.

[Fatt Max]

i'll take this opportunity to say that facebook is full of faggots and cunts and pwned by ciajews.
and NOTHING important has, or will, ever, happen on it.

that is all.

Especially when it comes to biker groups,
Bunch of hug happy clicky fucktards
Well said dude

[GrayWolf]

you are so clueless it's almost not worth dignifying by response. but i will, but only to say that you're one of them old white cunts.

the ironing in your post is also worth immortalising in post-quotage.

get with the times man.

if you epitomise knowledge, and I epitomise clueless? I'll stay in the clueless dept thanks.......

[Akzle]

you epitomise ironing.

[blackdog]

For a protest that is supposed to be taking place tomorrow, one would have imagined this thread would be abuzz. What's gone wrong here?

[Bald Eagle]

The Minister is no more lol

[Drew]

This needs to go in the anticlimax hall of fucken fame!

Fuck bikers are hopeless. Glad I haven't registered one for five years, so I don't show up in any stats with them!

[GrayWolf]

This needs to go in the anticlimax hall of fucken fame!

Fuck bikers are hopeless. Glad I haven't registered one for five years, so I don't show up in any stats with them!

Was talking to one of the organisers today, he is 'expecting' a couple of hundred bikes? I am going, but I have a horrid feeling there will be no politicians there, and a poor turnout.

[Fatt Max]

I am going

Well done to you mate, that is what matters

[BMWST?]

Well done to you mate, that is what matters
agreed dont leave it up to someone else!

[Maha]

For a protest that is supposed to be taking place tomorrow, one would have imagined this thread would be abuzz. What's gone wrong here?

1) Those that attended in 09 realise what a waste of time that turned out to be.
2) Parliament is empty until after the election, who will the ''anger'' be aimed at? a few cleaners?

[Akzle]

old white men, complaining to old white men, about old white men.

Vote up, crackers.

[MD]

So is this for reak or not. I did the last big one and yes it achieved 1/10th of nothing. But I'd felt better for trying and failing than doing nothing and still moaning about the situation.

Hard pressed with work meetings this morning to make it though. Might have to speed to get there.

[blackdog]

According to the facebook event, there are 109 people attending.

https://www.facebook.com/events/558679017591656/

Now don't take me the wrong way, I am all for protest. Not necessarily peaceful either but organising something of a magnitude that will be noticed was always going to take more time, effort and solidarity than this attempt. There has been plenty of advice and offers of assistance to make that happen, which from my point of view was all summarily dismissed.

And hey, if I was able to ride right now I'd be there too but with very little hope of achieving anything. If nothing else it's a fecking lovely day for a ride, if you can get down there, I certainly can't think of a reason not to.

[G4L4XY]

If nothing else it's a fecking lovely day for a ride

...It's pissing down in Hamilton and Northland is flooded lol

[5150]

Too wet, and can't be arsed :zzzz:

[Maha]

In round figures there are 100,00 registered bikes in NZ and 109 attending? that's pretty limp.

What is needed (bikers have no persuasion as a group, that's a given and it's been proven...) is a protest involving an 'All Road Users Collective' for maximum exposure and disruption ability. Totally fuck things up in the Capital for the best part of a day and ensure the Pollies that you WILL be back, and back, and back, and back some more. The one time should be suffice if there were 20,000+ bikes/cycles/scooters/trucks/car clubs etc.
Far to late to have any effect now, should have been done during the last week of sitting prior to Election day, once again, for maximum exposure.

[Akzle]

Occupy(tm) john keys front lawn

[nodrog]

Looks like it went off!

[Paul in NZ]

They were doing pretty well as far as news coverage and then some nut job goes loose with a shotgun and gone... Which is fair as its a big story and a bloody sad horrible one

[5150]

then some nut job goes loose with a shotgun and gone...

Inconsiderate bastard.... took shine of our protest:angry:

[Reckless]

Saw the 3 news Article.
Small group of 150 still made the news good effort!
Its a pity we didn't have more protests everywhere in these Election campaign times.
Also a bloody pity we cant stick together enough to really make it work.

[MD]

100 attended tops I'd say. Bloody scruffy bunch these motorcyclists, wouldn't get my vote:no:.

[Swoop]

Inconsiderate bastard.... took shine of our protest:angry:
I bet there is a conspiracy theorist dreaming up something right now...

[Drew]

Saw the 3 news Article.
Small group of 150 still made the news good effort!
Its a pity we didn't have more protests everywhere in these Election campaign times.
Also a bloody pity we cant stick together enough to really make it work.

It's not a good effort. Stop encouraging them!

It was a half arsed piss poorly organised protest, out side an empty fucken building.

[Mom]

No planning, no thought to timing, no publicity...

No SUPPORT!

Shame...

Waste of an opportunity...

[R650R]

It's not a good effort. Stop encouraging them!

It was a half arsed piss poorly organised protest, out side an empty fucken building.

Yep and god help us if someone in the beehive logs into kb and sees only about 30% are National voters.

Watching the news I wasn't sue about joining the newer vehicle safety rating thing. The last thing want is the boffins looking at hard data and seeing the monster power increases over last 15 years.
"Oh it has a switchable ignition map cause its a bone crippling accident monster when set to full power"

And they need to stick to a core message of we are paying too much. Don't get into the crybaby nonsense that we are discriminated because a few cagers can't tell the difference between ordinary biker and a 1%, especially when half of us ride just as crazy lol

[Mom]

we are paying too much.

Been the case for a while now. Apparently ACC was in such a loss position they HAD to screw Bikers in NZ?

The spin surrounding this issue was astounding. Some of us tried really hard to educate people to the bullshit that was being spouted.

We failed to generate enough support to continue.

A few voices in the wilderness were useless.

At least I can say I tried...

[GrayWolf]

Occupy(tm) john keys front lawn

Ya know? All I see you do is flap your 'metaphorical lips' in here about anything and everything,,,,, the last keyboard warrior!!!

For once get off YOUR arse and actually DO something instead of whining and berating......

[GrayWolf]

It's not a good effort. Stop encouraging them!

It was a half arsed piss poorly organised protest, out side an empty fucken building.

At least we got off our arses and went....... so your right to whinge etc is summarily lost......

another keyboard warrior!

[Reckless]

It's not a good effort. Stop encouraging them!

It was a half arsed piss poorly organised protest, out side an empty fucken building.

Well Drew thats what exactly we got when we really tried to get bikers united instead of what was needed ie positive practical input and bums on bike seats? Maybe you should get off your ass and actually do something?




We failed to generate enough support to continue.

A few voices in the wilderness were useless.

At least I can say I tried...

True Mom Their own worst enemies. We did try but Same old same old on here still happening?
This half arsed badly organised protest still made the news, with only 100 bikes, on a day some fucktard shot two people dead.
If we all had of actually got on our bikes it may have sent a shit load stronger message of numbers and passion, even if that message was only that we are angry watch this space. But instead i read post after post from knockers and naysayers. Even though the ACC gap just got a shit load wider.
Buggered if I'm putting my hand up again to waste my valuable time and risk being possibly arrested on protests when no else gives a flying fuck.

[Drew]

At least we got off our arses and went....... so your right to whinge etc is summarily lost......

another keyboard warrior!


Well Drew thats what exactly we got when we really tried to get bikers united instead of what was needed ie positive practical input and bums on bike seats? Maybe you should get off your ass and actually do something?




If for no other reason not to go, my bike has no reg or wof. Should I still have gone?

[Akzle]

Ya know? All I see you do is flap your 'metaphorical lips' in here about anything and everything,,,,, the last keyboard warrior!!!

For once get off YOUR arse and actually DO something instead of whining and berating......

i protest in a way far more benificial to me.
I dont pay the cunts.

[GrayWolf]

If for no other reason not to go, my bike has no reg or wof. Should I still have gone?

It's called PILLION, most bikes have them......

EPIC FAIL!

[GrayWolf]

Well Drew thats what exactly we got when we really tried to get bikers united instead of what was needed ie positive practical input and bums on bike seats? Maybe you should get off your ass and actually do something?



True Mom Their own worst enemies. We did try but Same old same old on here still happening?
This half arsed badly organised protest still made the news, with only 100 bikes, on a day some fucktard shot two people dead.
If we all had of actually got on our bikes it may have sent a shit load stronger message of numbers and passion, even if that message was only that we are angry watch this space. But instead i read post after post from knockers and naysayers. Even though the ACC gap just got a shit load wider.
Buggered if I'm putting my hand up again to waste my valuable time and risk being possibly arrested on protests when no else gives a flying fuck.

Sadly in 40 years of motorcycling both here and UK, apathy or probably more accurately; 'I'm a bad ass, individual biker, and I do what I want; no fucker's gonna tell me to protest, because!!' has always been the Achilles heel.
Am I an individual? Hell yes, I am probably one of the most 'non social' people out there, maybe that's a common personality trait for many of us? Certainly seems that getting people who are supposedly 'passionate' about their riding to have a common purpose, is next to impossible.
It's much more 'individual' to just spew out diatribe, and knock shit, 'just because'
. I will admit I think that it was the wrong time of year (parliament out of session/election) but I also 'get it' that the organisers believed a 'quick response' was needed.
The likes of Mr Rebel (akzle and Co) will be the ones sitting in a bar in their dotage spouting, "I was a hard arsed rebel biker", when motorcycles are one day 'legalised off the road'. I'm not a 'hard arsed rebel biker', and if there was a god, I'd thank him for that, I'm a MOTORCYCLIST pure and simple. I ride every day, every season, for commute, transport, pleasure and touring.

I'll suggest this again, maybe we need to follow the example MAG in the UK used for the Magna Carta rally (leg protector law) back in the 1980's. Hold a 'LONG' weekend Rally and do the protest ride on the SUNDAY arvo...??

[Maha]

i protest in a way far more benificial to me.
I dont pay the cunts.

Explain... you don't pay who what? your rego? what a tough guy.

[veldthui]

Explain... you don't pay who what? your rego? what a tough guy.

He probably registers his bike as an ambulance.

[Drew]

It's called PILLION, most bikes have them......

EPIC FAIL!

I'm not riding bitch for the likes of this shit.

[Akzle]

i wont be moaning in a pub. Ill be riding illegally.

[GrayWolf]

Explain... you don't pay who what? your rego? what a tough guy.

Actually Maha, akzle is right, he examples what I said earlier about the 'rebel biker' mentality.

He does what benifit's HIM, fuck everyone else!

As I also said, one day HE will be sitting in a bar, rotting on about how he WAS a rebel biker before they were legislated out of existence,,,,, and it was never because he was a selfish JEW C***, which is what his favourite catchphrase.

[GrayWolf]

I'm not riding bitch for the likes of this shit.

Then stop moaning in here like one then........ :devil2:

[Reckless]

If for no other reason not to go, my bike has no reg or wof. Should I still have gone?

I know you Drew and I know you mean well. Not angry about this either, just sitting here shooting from hip as I see it.

If non registration is was the unanimous way then Yes you should have and so should I have!
BUT everyone else should have a non registered bike as well (but warranted) and there's the rub.
If 50-100 bikes turn up they'll ticket everyone :rolleyes:
But if 5000 unregistered bikes turn up it gets to big!!
If they ticket everyone the other 4999 turn up and protest every court case and the system will be screwed.
Bearing in mind there's 100,000 registered bikes?? Did I read here? (say 50,000 road worthy??)
What is it, a $200 ticket-20 demerits and a bit of time devoted, not a big ask really (if your a hard arsed biker that is).

Then the keyboard warriors on here that say lobbying is the way.
Can Lobby with properly thought out plan, facts and figures with some actual backing from the protest numbers instead of shooting blanks.
Imagine if you could get that 5000 to join an organisation at $20 bucks each (2 packets of fags or two drinks) thats 100K.
Thats up to two full time researchers? Then we may get the message through??
Then we may have some slim chance of turning ACC back into no fault or at least get a sizable reduction?

But it wont happen because it needs everyone, hard arsed bikers just aren't hard arsed enough!

PS back to work thats another 1/2 hour I wont get back LOL

[Akzle]

Actually Maha, akzle is right, he examples what I said earlier about the 'rebel biker' mentality.

He does what benifit's HIM, fuck everyone else!

As I also said, one day HE will be sitting in a bar, rotting on about how he WAS a rebel biker before they were legislated out of existence,,,,, and it was never because he was a selfish JEW C***, which is what his favourite catchphrase.

what's hilarious is that you censor cunt, or cock, but not j*w :shifty:

find me someone i agree with and i will support them :innocent:

and, as previously said, no, legislation doesn't concern me much, i ignore most of it, most of the time :yes:

[bogan]

I think, bottom line is the momentum from the bikeoi ran out, for whatever reason. It won't be back for anything less than another large increase. Many of us recognise that and have simply stopped paying rego as an individual protest.

I'm not saying give up, but I don't think it realistic to think that protest action against the govt is an effective way forward. Perhaps 150 bikers protesting against our so called reps on motonz would have been a better option. I mean seriously, how many MSLs have those fuckers accumulated now and done fuck all with? #boganstillneedsnewgloves

[Akzle]

I know you Drew and I know you mean well. Not angry about this either, just sitting here shooting from hip as I see it.

If non registration is was the unanimous way then Yes you should have and so should I have!
BUT everyone else should have a non registered bike as well (but warranted) and there's the rub.
If 50-100 bikes turn up they'll ticket everyone :rolleyes:
But if 5000 unregistered bikes turn up it gets to big!!
If they ticket everyone the other 4999 turn up and protest every court case and the system will be screwed.
Bearing in mind there's 100,000 registered bikes?? Did I read here? (say 50,000 road worthy??)
What is it, a $200 ticket-20 demerits and a bit of time devoted, not a big ask really (if your a hard arsed biker that is).

Then the keyboard warriors on here that say lobbying is the way.
Can Lobby with properly thought out plan, facts and figures with some actual backing from the protest numbers instead of shooting blanks.
Imagine if you could get that 5000 to join an organisation at $20 bucks each (2 packets of fags or two drinks) thats 100K.
Thats up to two full time researchers? Then we may get the message through??
Then we may have some slim chance of turning ACC back into no fault or at least get a sizable reduction?

But it wont happen because it needs everyone, hard arsed bikers just aren't hard arsed enough!

PS back to work thats another 1/2 hour I wont get back LOL

if that took you half an hour, then i'm not voting you to get 50k to "research" and "lobby"

fun fact: nothing has ever been accomplished by being nice to the government.

the largest problem, is that we don't all have one problem. ie. i dont pay rego, gray doesn't like that because he feels some kind of societal obligation. so he pays ACC and shit. would he find the testes to not pay it and still ride if he had 4999 people holding his hand(bag)? maybe.

nothing will get a jew's attention like you not making/giving it money.

[Maha]

Actually Maha, akzle is right, he examples what I said earlier about the 'rebel biker' mentality.

He does what benifit's HIM, fuck everyone else!

As I also said, one day HE will be sitting in a bar, rotting on about how he WAS a rebel biker before they were legislated out of existence,,,,, and it was never because he was a selfish JEW C***, which is what his favourite catchphrase.

He contributes to the wider tax pool by way of cigarette/fuel tax etc, nothing rebellious about NOT paying for a vehicle registration.

[Akzle]

He contributes to the wider tax pool by way of cigarette/fuel tax etc, nothing rebellious about NOT paying for a vehicle registration.

unfortunately, yes, while i minimise the amount of jewgold/ promissory notes/ currency i use, i still use some, and that has been taxed before i get it, and (unless i'm buying weed or stolen goods) taxed again when i spend it.

vote akzle - RBNZ will be taken over by bluebird, and the national currency will be chips.

[Maha]

Not paying bike rego in your case Wakzle (and I suspect many others) is primarily about affordability, nothing to do with the 'sticking it to ACC' bullshit line.
Anne and myself are collectively against the levy amount enforced upon us but still had all four vehicles that we owned registered, because we could afford it. Haven't paid a tobacco tax in years, that came down to affordability, so keep it up, the Govt' needs the likes of you, either way, they win.

[Akzle]

oh no son, i COULD afford to pay it. i choose not to. my "sticking it to the man" extends far beyond not paying CVL.
(and i make much use of my close friends and allies what travel internationally - y'know, duty free)

yes - the jewvernement do get some cash from my existence, but only because they're jews, and invented "money", and for some stupid reason, people still think it's worth anything...

[Mom]

Buggered if I'm putting my hand up again to waste my valuable time and risk being possibly arrested on protests when no else gives a flying fuck.

WORD! I was actually looking forward to getting into serious trouble last time. Scuppered!

I think some of us come from different backgrounds really. I can remember taking part in a sit-in, among other things, on the field at High School to make the PTB allow the boys to wear their hair long if it was tied back like the girls. Equality and all that.

Power in numbers.

[BlackSheepLogic]

I'm not sure it is a case of not caring. I don't support this particular approach.


Buggered if I'm putting my hand up again to waste my valuable time and risk being possibly arrested on protests when no else gives a flying fuck.

[Griffin]

i protest in a way far more benificial to me.
I dont pay the cunts.

I get that this is a way of personal protest that may work for many bikers, but for me - the main reason that I do pay rego has nothing to do with abiding by road user law. It has everything to do with being able to make a claim if I arse off and fuck my bike beyond my wallets capabilities. One assumes that in not paying for reg that you also don't bother wasting your money on insurance?

For this, and this reason alone, my bike is reg and wof all year round. Do I agree with the cost...? Fuck no, but its far more affordable than finding several thousand dollars to repair / replace should anything happen.

I guess if lobbying, protesting, public disturbance and refusal to pay 'the cunts' haven't worked then we may as well accept that unless someone has a new and radical idea... we are pretty much stuck with the exorbitant costs associated with our pastime.

[nodrog]

I get that this is a way of personal protest that may work for many bikers, but for me - the main reason that I do pay rego has nothing to do with abiding by road user law. It has everything to do with being able to make a claim if I arse off and fuck my bike beyond my wallets capabilities. One assumes that in not paying for reg that you also don't bother wasting your money on insurance?

For this, and this reason alone, my bike is reg and wof all year round. Do I agree with the cost...? Fuck no, but its far more affordable than finding several thousand dollars to repair / replace should anything happen.

I guess if lobbying, protesting, public disturbance and refusal to pay 'the cunts' haven't worked then we may as well accept that unless someone has a new and radical idea... we are pretty much stuck with the exorbitant costs associated with our pastime.

Cool story, but having a registration or not has no bearing on an insurance claim.

[MadDuck]

Cool story, but having a registration or not has no bearing on an insurance claim.

When the heck did you learn to read and comprehend. Must be time for you to leave KB?

[Ocean1]

I get that this is a way of personal protest that may work for many bikers, but for me - the main reason that I do pay rego has nothing to do with abiding by road user law. It has everything to do with being able to make a claim if I arse off and fuck my bike beyond my wallets capabilities. One assumes that in not paying for reg that you also don't bother wasting your money on insurance?

If you'll just tell me which insurance company it is that refuses to cover bikes not currently licenced I'll take them off my list of companies I deal with.

If I could be fucked I'd also look into the specific legalities of any such exclusion in an insurance contract.

[Griffin]

Cool story, but having a registration or not has no bearing on an insurance claim.

Um... ok. So you reckon that if you have an accident on your unregistered bike (ergo - shouldn't be on the road in the first place) that your insurance company is going to pay out? Good luck old chap - I don't think I will be taking that particular risk.

[Ocean1]

Um... ok. So you reckon that if you have an accident on your unregistered bike (ergo - shouldn't be on the road in the first place) that your insurance company is going to pay out? Good luck old chap - I don't think I will be taking that particular risk.

Again, which insurance company do you know of that's declined a claim in such circumstances?

[Griffin]

If you'll just tell me which insurance company it is that refuses to cover bikes not currently licenced I'll take them off my list of companies I deal with.

If I could be fucked I'd also look into the specific legalities of any such exclusion in an insurance contract.

I would be very surprised if any insurance company would cover you for an accident on a bike that wasn't fully road legal. If its not registered then it technically shouldn't be on the road.

[Griffin]

Again, which insurance company do you know of that's declined a claim in such circumstances?

I would suggest that you just check with your own current provider for peace of mind. I don't see any insurance company going "oh you crashed your non road legal bike while riding on the road - sure, heres your money". But if you know different then power to you.

[nodrog]

I would suggest that you just check with your own current provider for peace of mind. I don't see any insurance company going "oh you crashed your non road legal bike while riding on the road - sure, heres your money". But if you know different then power to you.

Clearly you are too retarded to take your own advice and actually ask an insurance company.

[Griffin]

Clearly you are too retarded to take your own advice and actually ask an insurance company.

Hey wow, heres an idea - lets take this to a personal level and call each other names like real children! Nice one nodrog.

I am not interested in asking that question as I don't need to. My bike remains registered as I am not interested in finding out post accident that they look for any little reason not to pay out (as many insurance companies do).

The people who need to ask that question are those taking that risk. And if they still get paid out then good on them. All I am saying is Im not willing to take the risk... if thats a crime and makes me a "retard" then a retard I am.

[GrayWolf]

I know you Drew and I know you mean well. Not angry about this either, just sitting here shooting from hip as I see it.

If non registration is was the unanimous way then Yes you should have and so should I have!
BUT everyone else should have a non registered bike as well (but warranted) and there's the rub.
If 50-100 bikes turn up they'll ticket everyone :rolleyes:
But if 5000 unregistered bikes turn up it gets to big!!
If they ticket everyone the other 4999 turn up and protest every court case and the system will be screwed.
Bearing in mind there's 100,000 registered bikes?? Did I read here? (say 50,000 road worthy??)
What is it, a $200 ticket-20 demerits and a bit of time devoted, not a big ask really (if your a hard arsed biker that is).

Then the keyboard warriors on here that say lobbying is the way.
Can Lobby with properly thought out plan, facts and figures with some actual backing from the protest numbers instead of shooting blanks.
Imagine if you could get that 5000 to join an organisation at $20 bucks each (2 packets of fags or two drinks) thats 100K.
Thats up to two full time researchers? Then we may get the message through??
Then we may have some slim chance of turning ACC back into no fault or at least get a sizable reduction?

But it wont happen because it needs everyone, hard arsed bikers just aren't hard arsed enough!

PS back to work thats another 1/2 hour I wont get back LOL

Nail on the head, the hard arsed bikers are not hard arsed enough, to all pull together in one direction.
Yes my bike is rego'ed, as stated by another, in CASE my insurance uses it as a loophole to extricate themselves from paying out. I wont risk having to find about 15k if they refuse to repair my bike.
As far as I am concerned I would much prefer an organised, concerted effort of BOTH civil 'disobedience' as well as lobby and discredit. However, getting the keyboard warriors, hard arsed bikers, etc to all get on the same page?
I think you'd have more likelihood of 'flying Porcine' airways.

Sadly, would you credit it, there was a ruddy popo at Parliament, handing out ticket(s)... think the one I saw being issued was for an illegal number plate.

[Akzle]

the hard arsed bikers are not hard arsed enough, to all pull together in one direction...
However, getting the keyboard warriors, hard arsed bikers, etc to all get on the same page?

and what page/direction is that greyballs?
What is the ONE issue we will all agree on? and the ONE method we will ALL use to affect change?

Also, proof it ever worked.

[5150]

Hey wow, heres an idea - lets take this to a personal level and call each other names like real children! Nice one nodrog.

I am not interested in asking that question as I don't need to. My bike remains registered as I am not interested in finding out post accident that they look for any little reason not to pay out (as many insurance companies do).

The people who need to ask that question are those taking that risk. And if they still get paid out then good on them. All I am saying is Im not willing to take the risk... if thats a crime and makes me a "retard" then a retard I am.

Actually I can tell you first hand that not having current rego did not stop my insurance from paying out. As was said, rego has nothing to do with the safety of the motor vehicle. wof is another story. Rego is just a road tax, not safety issue.

[DMNTD]

Actually I can tell you first hand that not having current rego did not stop my insurance from paying out. As was said, rego has nothing to do with the safety of the motor vehicle. wof is another story. Rego is just a road tax, not safety issue.

What this bloke said

[G4L4XY]

Actually I can tell you first hand that not having current rego did not stop my insurance from paying out. As was said, rego has nothing to do with the safety of the motor vehicle. wof is another story. Rego is just a road tax, not safety issue.

I second this. I haven't read the whole thread though.

[nodrog]

Hey wow, heres an idea - lets take this to a personal level and call each other names like real children! Nice one nodrog.

I am not interested in asking that question as I don't need to. My bike remains registered as I am not interested in finding out post accident that they look for any little reason not to pay out (as many insurance companies do).

The people who need to ask that question are those taking that risk. And if they still get paid out then good on them. All I am saying is Im not willing to take the risk... if thats a crime and makes me a "retard" then a retard I am.

Yes you are correct, you are a retard.

[nerrrd]

Yes you are correct, you are a retard.

Or somebody willing to pay their share, whether it's fair or not.

[nodrog]

Or somebody willing to pay their share, whether it's fair or not.

Thats what I said.

[nerrrd]

Thats what I said.

Fair enough, be sure to tell the ambos that you've opted out of ACC coverage if you come off your bike tho :niceone:

[Dodgy]

I checked with my insurer a while ago and I am covered - rego or no rego. What they are concerned about is roadworthy condition (I suspect most if not all insurers are). Hence, a fully rego'd and warranted motorcycle may not be covered if it has some defect (eg: worn tyres) that contributed to an accident. Even no WOF and no rego is not a valid reason for insurers to opt out of paying as long as there was nothing wrong with the bike that contributed to the accident. There are a multitude of reference cases in this regard.

Personally, I would have no qualms about not paying rego, I already pay it on my car anyway. I also have private health insurance and income protection, so would not be a liability to ACC medium term.

I don't have rego on my trackbike either, I have no qualms about the ambulance taking me to hospital when I crash that either.

[nodrog]

Fair enough, be sure to tell the ambos that you've opted out of ACC coverage if you come off your bike tho :niceone:

Yeah cos if you havnt paid your rego you won't get medical attention.

your not in Kansas now dorkalitis.

[chasio]

... I also have private health insurance and income protection, so would not be a liability to ACC medium term..

Hmm, I wouldn't be so sure about that. Your insurer will be looking for someone else to pay up first. So if the thing that causes a claim on your health and/or income protection policies is an accident, I'd bet a fair wedge that ACC would indeed be footing the bill.

[swbarnett]

Fair enough, be sure to tell the ambos that you've opted out of ACC coverage if you come off your bike tho :niceone:
He needn't worry. By way of extortion those of us that are registered are collectively paying their share.

No there's a thought. All those that are riding unregistered should pay what they feel is a reasonable ACC fee to the rest of us.

[James Deuce]

I checked with my insurer a while ago and I am covered - rego or no rego. What they are concerned about is roadworthy condition (I suspect most if not all insurers are). Hence, a fully rego'd and warranted motorcycle may not be covered if it has some defect (eg: worn tyres) that contributed to an accident. Even no WOF and no rego is not a valid reason for insurers to opt out of paying as long as there was nothing wrong with the bike that contributed to the accident. There are a multitude of reference cases in this regard.

Personally, I would have no qualms about not paying rego, I already pay it on my car anyway. I also have private health insurance and income protection, so would not be a liability to ACC medium term.

I don't have rego on my trackbike either, I have no qualms about the ambulance taking me to hospital when I crash that either.

People have a weird perception that "Private Health Insurance" gives them some sort of "choice" in treatment. If you have an accident and go to the Hospital or Dr initially, TOO LATE, you're already being paid for by ACC. There are no private hospitals with an ED. ANy and all treatment costs are covered, in full, by ACC once that injury is lodged with them. Any and ALL private practitioners will boost their income by using your ACC claim to help pay for any course of treatment provided by them. It's how the system is geared to work. You have little to no say in how your medium term treatment is managed and how the treatment provider is paid, unless you choose to go with some sort of magical fu instead of accepted medical practice.

The only way to avoid going on ACC's books is to not seek treatment after an injury accident.

[GrayWolf]

and what page/direction is that greyballs?
What is the ONE issue we will all agree on? and the ONE method we will ALL use to affect change?

Also, proof it ever worked.

Not quite correct,grey hair? Yup certainly old enough to have had that for a 'few' years, not quite got 'grey balls' yet though sonny. :rolleyes:

One day YOU may come up with something constructive to add to a thread, but I'm not holding my breath. You get off on being a twat. :tugger:

[Akzle]

Fair enough, be sure to tell the ambos that you've opted out of ACC coverage if you come off your bike tho :niceone:

stjohn, userpays what?

[bogan]

He needn't worry. By way of extortion those of us that are registered are collectively paying their share.

No there's a thought. All those that are riding unregistered should pay what they feel is a reasonable ACC fee to the rest of us.

Who says we don't? I still pay my van rego...

User pays is so old hat anyway, lets just go to crasher pays, that'll put the bill exactly where the cost is; fuck em if that subset of society can't afford to pay right? it's not me who is in it./sarc

[Akzle]

Not quite correct,grey hair? Yup certainly old enough to have had that for a 'few' years, not quite got 'grey balls' yet though sonny. :rolleyes:

One day YOU may come up with something constructive to add to a thread, but I'm not holding my breath. You get off on being a twat. :tugger:

good answer.


o. wait.
no,
...it wasn't,
because it wasn't an answer at all.

perhaps if you ever DO work it out, we (you and me, buddy :rolleyes:) can move the "protest" forward

until then, you pay. i wont. you begrudge shit, i wont. :2thumbsup

and while i do thoroughly enjoy twat, and twattery, i don't "get off" on the latter :eek:

[Drew]

Fair enough, be sure to tell the ambos that you've opted out of ACC coverage if you come off your bike tho :niceone:You can go fuck yourself too. I am self employed. Got any idea how much I've paid in ACC premiums in the ten years that I have been, and never once had a work place accident?



He needn't worry. By way of extortion those of us that are registered are collectively paying their share.

No there's a thought. All those that are riding unregistered should pay what they feel is a reasonable ACC fee to the rest of us.I'm fully paid up mother fucker, make no fucken mistake. You'll be getting nothing from me.

This argument is a giant waste of time.

Oh yeah, on the insurance/registration debate. The wording of all insurers was changed late last century I think. Road worthy condition, or any defects mustn't be a factor in an accident. So non working tail lights and no WOF, doesn't get them off the hook if someone drives straight into the front of you because they were on the wrong side of the road.

Anything wrong with the vehicle must have a baring on the individual incident, or it is moot.

[swbarnett]

I'm fully paid up mother fucker, make no fucken mistake. You'll be getting nothing from me.
And I wouldn't expect it. I did say "what they feel is a reasonable ACC fee". Obviously you consider what you pay on other vehicles is more than a reasonable fee. On that point I whole-heartedly agree.

And while I'm at it you can fuck off with your personal abuse. This is anything but constructive. Especially when I agree with you.

[Drew]

And I wouldn't expect it. I did say "what they feel is a reasonable ACC fee". Obviously you consider what you pay on other vehicles is more than a reasonable fee. On that point I whole-heartedly agree.

And while I'm at it you can fuck off with your personal abuse. This is anything but constructive. Especially when I agree with you.

I wasn't abusing you, personally or otherwise. Mother fucker, is common lingo from me to all and sundry.

[swbarnett]

I wasn't abusing you, personally or otherwise. Mother fucker, is common lingo from me to all and sundry.
In that case, no worries. I'll get down off my high horse and be glad that I know for next time.

As you were...

[nodrog]

I wasn't abusing you, personally or otherwise. Mother fucker, is common lingo from me to all and sundry.

I'm on a boat.

[Drew]

I'm on a boat.

Good for you mother fucker.

[Griffin]

Yes you are correct, you are a retard.

Right well thanks for clearing that up then - I'd rather be incorrectly assumed to be a retard than be known an adult who acts like a child whilst hiding behind a keyboard.

[nodrog]

Right well thanks for clearing that up then - I'd rather be incorrectly assumed to be a retard than be known an adult who acts like a child whilst hiding behind a keyboard.

I'm not hiding, I'm at 176 Cuba Street , Wellington.

http://witwitwoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/images.jpeg

[nerrrd]

Yeah cos if you havnt paid your rego you won't get medical attention.

your not in Kansas now dorkalitis.

Dorkalitis, that's a new one; from the noun 'Dorkis' ? No you won't be left in a mangled bloody heap on the side of the road by not paying your registration. In fact I'm happy to contribute to your repair/rehabilitation by paying my ACC levies whether you do or not. Sorry you don't feel the same way.


stjohn, userpays what?

No to 'user pays', yes to a public accident compensation scheme which has been undermined already, don't want to give them any more excuses by not paying up. If I was ever to have a serious accident I'd get way more out of it than I could ever put in.


You can go fuck yourself too. I am self employed. Got any idea how much I've paid in ACC premiums in the ten years that I have been, and never once had a work place accident?

I'm fully paid up mother fucker, make no fucken mistake. You'll be getting nothing from me.

Fuck yeah. Glad I'm not self-employed, that must really suck. Any idea how long I've paid my house insurance and never once had it fall down? Sucks.


This argument is a giant waste of time.

Amen to that.

[nodrog]

Choice, what a good cunt.

[GrayWolf]

good answer.


o. wait.
no,
...it wasn't,
because it wasn't an answer at all.

perhaps if you ever DO work it out, we (you and me, buddy :rolleyes:) can move the "protest" forward

until then, you pay. i wont. you begrudge shit, i wont. :2thumbsup

and while i do thoroughly enjoy twat, and twattery, i don't "get off" on the latter :eek:

As I said, ... One day, you'll come out with something constructive.............:facepalm:

[Akzle]

As I said, ... One day, you'll come out with something constructive.............:facepalm:

after you, no really, i insist.

[Akzle]

As I said, ... One day, you'll come out with something constructive.............:facepalm:

after you, no really, i insist.

[Pixie]

Ya know? All I see you do is flap your 'metaphorical lips' in here about anything and everything,,,,, the last keyboard warrior!!!

For once get off YOUR arse and actually DO something instead of whining and berating......

Now ,now, that's not the kiwi way.
Kiwi arses are for inviting politicians to fuck.

[Pixie]

Fair enough, be sure to tell the ambos that you've opted out of ACC coverage if you come off your bike tho :niceone:

I am a proud rider of two unlicensed motorcycles.
I license one vehicle,my car.
On the argument that ACC gave us on why cyclists do not need to license their bikes: i.e. they also have cars that they pay ACC levies on,I feel I'm doing ok .
How can ACC argue against this?
P.S. I also pay ACC work levies

[Hitcher]

Every time I get stopped by a member of the constabulary wanting to check my registration, I shall think kind thoughts of you lovely people.

[Big Dave]

Every time I get stopped by a member of the constabulary wanting to check my registration, I shall think kind thoughts of you lovely people.

Coming soon to a NZ near you. All the constabulary will have to do is drive their car. Their apparatus will scan your plate and issue the fine without correspondance. So will every traffic camera, red light camera, speed camera and monitoring camera.

The system is so well automated that they have done away with rego stickers over here. The cameras do it all. Won't be long to reach over there (it's revenue dontchaknow) and the tax dodgers will just get the envelope in the post.

[Big Dave]

I forgot bus lane cameras

2011 article:

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/end-of-the-road-for-rego-cheats-20110521-1exp6.html

[Ocean1]

Coming soon to a NZ near you. All the constabulary will have to do is drive their car. Their apparatus will scan your plate and issue the fine without correspondance. So will every traffic camera, red light camera, speed camera and monitoring camera.

The system is so well automated that they have done away with rego stickers over here. The cameras do it all. Won't be long to reach over there (it's revenue dontchaknow) and the tax dodgers will just get the envelope in the post.

Fancy that.

And all dependant on a single little plate facing the other way, with a few all but illegible numbers on it.

Do they chase you if the car can't read your dirty plate, dude?

[pritch]

There was a thing on the news the other night. There is at least one Police car in Wellington with the new licence plate camera now, there have been some in Auckland for a while.
All in the interests of road safety of course?

[Big Dave]

Fancy that.

And all dependant on a single little plate facing the other way, with a few all but illegible numbers on it.

Do they chase you if the car can't read your dirty plate, dude?

Of course. It's revenue. $2 Billion budgeted for PA.

http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/the-truth-about-speed-cameras-20140903-10awi1.html

[Big Dave]

There was a thing on the news the other night. There is at least one Police car in Wellington with the new licence plate camera now, there have been some in Auckland for a while.
All in the interests of road safety of course?

I think I recall Rastus saying he has one in Bugtussel too.