Pinching petrol, common hands up...

[Brains]

Seems to be a few people 'protesting' about the price of petrol by simply refusing to pay - still getting their weekly fill up of course. Don't think it would be that hard to do, especially at a busy petrol station. Soooo, has anyone entertained any thoughts of taking up this line of protest?

[Sniper]

Seems to be a few people 'protesting' about the price of petrol by simply refusing to pay - still getting their weekly fill up of course. Don't think it would be that hard to do, especially at a busy petrol station. Soooo, has anyone entertained any thoughts of taking up this line of protest?

My better half just started working at the BP down the road. So far she has seen 6 fill and runs. The manager said it used to only be about 1 a week when prices were $1.20 ect.

[steved]

It won't be long until every pump is Pre-pay which will suck. Stealing is stealing.

[dawnrazor]

Okay so it cost me 23 bucks to fill up with 96oct yestersay. Doesn't seem to be any point to risk it for 23 bucks. Can see a point for cage drivers that might fill up in the region of 70 to 100 bucks worth, but can't condem it - it would only make life worse for the rest of us. The last thing i want is some spotty oik filling the bike for me, and spilling fuel over the tank and scratching the paint,while i pay at the counter.

[**R1**]

They should hang the fuckers....

[Jantar]

It won't be long until every pump is Pre-pay which will suck. Stealing is stealing.

So far I have only seen this Pre-Pay method once, and I have decided that I will NOT patronise Service Stations that require Pre-Pay.

My reasons are that the one time I did visit a service station that requires Pre-Pay, they wanted me to leave my fuel card in their care while I filled my bike. Now no matter how much management may trust their staff with my fuel card, the only person I'm prepared to trust with it is ME. I am very uncomfortable with leaving fuel cards, credit cards or Eftpos cards with other people.

I am quite happy to leave my keys or even my helmet with them while I fill up, but NOT my cards. :nono:

[Postie]

i used to know someone who made a fake plate from laminated paper, stuck it on the car and went to diffenet gas stations and filled up and drove away, they got round the corner or down the road and took it off. its a good idea if your a criminal, can't say i condone it but i do understand it. I would love to fill up and fuck off, but its just not worth the risk and as has been said, steeling is steeling.

[WINJA]

THEFT CANT BE JUSTIFIED IN THIS INSTANCE

[GR81]

most petrol companies have a cctv camera on each pump... itll either pick off your plate or your face...

... not worth the risk really.

although it cost my workmate $90 to fill his subaru up yesterday, id hate to think what it costs some of the bigger cars!

[Lou Girardin]

Is stealing from thieves theft?

[vifferman]

Is stealing from thieves theft?
Unfortunately, this hits the station proprietors in the wallet, and has minimal effect on the Gang of Four. The station owners have already had their margin squeezed by the Gang of Four cutting it back to maximise their own profits.

[crshbndct]

i saw a commodore at the pumps yesterday. quite a nice one, gts300

96litres@$1.609=154.64 :O

[crshbndct]

Unfortunately, this hits the station proprietors in the wallet, and has minimal effect on the Gang of Four. The station owners have already had their margin squeezed by the Gang of Four cutting it back to maximise their own profits.

when i was a spotty kid pumping gas for $9.80 an hour, i had to pay for all the drive-offs, if i didnt get the correct numberplate

[Odin]

It would be stealing and not from the petrol companie but from the servicestation owner and i don't really think its his (or her) fault.

But now that the crude prises have come down ...... there might be hope. Though i must say it has been good as i think it has cleared up the roads some.

I think Gull would be the place to go to fill these days as they are generaly "hiking" later then the big four and BP normaly leads the way

Don't be an ass and steal.

[Smorg]

when i was a spotty kid pumping gas for $9.80 an hour, i had to pay for all the drive-offs, if i didnt get the correct numberplate

hahahaha seen off mate :killingme

[*sic]

when i was a spotty kid pumping gas for $9.80 an hour, i had to pay for all the drive-offs, if i didnt get the correct numberplate

F*&K that!!

there is noway i would have let that slide if it was me that was employed!!

the company should wear that everytime!

i dont condone it neither, i hate ALL theives!

cut off their hands!

[madboy]

I agree with the theory behind it, just that the reality is quite against my morals.

[Jabez]

Is stealing from thieves theft?
Yes....It makes you no better than them.... :chase:

[Postie]

It would be stealing and not from the petrol companie but from the servicestation owner and i don't really think its his (or her) fault.

But now that the crude prises have come down ...... there might be hope. Though i must say it has been good as i think it has cleared up the roads some.

I think Gull would be the place to go to fill these days as they are generaly "hiking" later then the big four and BP normaly leads the way

Don't be an ass and steal.

according to the storys in the herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/story.cfm?c_id=1500966&ObjectID=10344761
and
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/story.cfm?c_id=1500966&objectid=10344760


it doesn't sound like they are gonna drop the price at all.......

big ups to Gull holding out for a while. :clap:

[Odin]

according to the storys in the herald
.......
it doesn't sound like they are gonna drop the price at all.......



Wow, thats really suprising..... it must be becaurce the petrol that are at the pumps now was bought when the price was really high.... ehhhh hold on .... that reason didn't work when they put it up :wacko: ..... must be just as they say then " you (we) do not understand the complexities of petrol prises" I think we should just accept the prices will remain high. I'm sure the petrol companies are really looking out for us in the long run. We trust them .... right guys ?

[Big Dave]

So far I have only seen this Pre-Pay method once, and I have decided that I will NOT patronise Service Stations that require Pre-Pay.
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Don't ride in Auckland after dark then. You won't find fuel.

[WINJA]

when i was a spotty kid pumping gas for $9.80 an hour, i had to pay for all the drive-offs, if i didnt get the correct numberplate
ITS ONLY CAUSE YOU LET THEM TAKE YOUR WAGES , PEOPLE HAVE TO LEARN TO TELL THEIR EMPLOYER TO GET FUCKED

[Big Dave]

Stealing is stealing.
I imagine with CCTV it's not hard for them to catch the thieves either.

[chickenfunkstar]

I think its not on to steal either. It can't be hepling if petrol stations have to put their price up to compensate for people who don't pay for their gas.
The way people do it in cars is to get a spare set of number plates from an abandoned car, then put them on before they do a runner. After they've left the petrol station they put their real plates on and no one's the wiser. That way they can't be tracked down.

[N4CR]

Don't ride in Auckland after dark then. You won't find fuel.


Go to Glen Innes g.a.s and you will be proved wrong ;) even with the lower socio-economic general population (generalisation time..) they still don't have prepay. I was quite suprised to find this out.

Where is the nearest gull station to Meadowbank?

[Big Dave]

Go to Glen Innes g.a.s and you will be proved wrong ;) even with the lower socio-economic general population (generalisation time..) they still don't have prepay. I was quite suprised to find this out.

Where is the nearest gull station to Meadowbank?

Dunno about gull - I've servo hopped 4 or 5 before finding one not on prepay over the rest of the eastern suburbs some nights - don't like it either - i don't know how much it will take before i fill it up ffs - but it's better than pushing the bike home.

[froggyfrenchman]

gn1nitestnd now works at local servo, the other day a guy pulled up in a ute, filled it with deisel, then filled 4 44gallon drums on the back with 96. Fucked off without payn. the ute was stolen and his hat covered his face from cameras. he got away with over $300 of gas. Kinda makes me wish i was less honest!

[froggyfrenchman]

she has to paqy for drive offs too! good thing she was at smoko when this happened!

[ManDownUnder]

Drive offs as a PROTEST???

FFS

If you have no morals I don't want to know you. Congratulations on lowering yourself to the lowest of the low.

If you can't afford the fuel, sell the vehicle you were thinking of putting it into. You're an idiot if you can't work that one out as an option.

If you can afford the fuel, you're an idiot for considering nicking the fuel and I, for one, would happily burn some of mine tracking you down because I don't enjoy scum sharing my otherwise pleasant society.

If you pay for fuel but don't enjoy the prices... deal with it. Complain, buy a vehicle that uses less or try public transport or cycling...

Not a big deal, and nor is it complex.

As someone said - theft is theft. I'll add to that thieves are scum.

Next topic

[enigma51]

Unfortunately, this hits the station proprietors in the wallet, and has minimal effect on the Gang of Four. The station owners have already had their margin squeezed by the Gang of Four cutting it back to maximise their own profits.
Dont know if it is the same in NZ but petrol stations have to pay upfront for the fuel before the truck will leave the depot So its not hurting BP etc but rather the service station like vifferman said

[Calo]

Surely a service station employee isn't legally obliged to carry the cost of a drive-off? Unless it's stated in their contract, of course.

As for stealing petrol, no way - I hate thieves and wouldn't want to lower myself to their level. :nono:

[myvice]

The Gull in Manurewa is on pre-pay in the mornings, surprise surprise. Went past 3 other petrol stations to get there and they where all empty!
So gull hasn’t put their prices up and are now making twice as much money than the others! Good on them!
Have never done a runner, bad karma!

[Fart]

The funny thing is that when I fill up gas around Orakei/Remuera, I am able to fill up and then pay. While in Papatoetoe and Manukau, I have to pay first then fill up. :wait:

[gav]

Hmmm, think I witnessed a runner tonight! I filled my car with gas and had a van in front of me, chap had pulled in behind me and was filling up when I came out from paying so I was blocked in. He then got in his van and backed up so I could get out, and he drove towards the shop area, thought he was going to park up to go inside and pay but he ended up driving out. I ended up following behind him for quite some way, wasnt sure how he had managed to pull up after me, but manage to pay before me? :sherlock:

[Teflon]

I don't know why people resort to such petty crimes. If i was that way incline, i would steal a petrol tanker....amateurs.

[Brett]

Theft is theft...not at all cool or moral. Still tempting sometimes...expecially when filling a 60litre tank with 98 octane fuel...hence the bike is now the weapon of choice not the car...stupid hunk(fast hunk) of metal.(handles well too :woohoo: )

[Skyryder]

when i was a spotty kid pumping gas for $9.80 an hour, i had to pay for all the drive-offs, if i didnt get the correct numberplate

That's illegal. Another example of managment abusing their staff.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Surely a service station employee isn't legally obliged to carry the cost of a drive-off? Unless it's stated in their contract, of course.
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Even in the contract it's still illegal. The Wages and Saleries Act clearly states that the employer can not deduct monies from an employees wages unless it is agreed. This agreement is for deductions of union fees, social club fees etc. not for theft by patrons etc.

Some companies where there staff are responsible for the handling of cash claim that there staff are responsible for any 'shortfalls' in cash. They are not.

Skyryder

[Motu]

Back in the 60s a mate of mine had an old Buick,with wooden floor boards - they would park at a service station after hours.....over the tank fillers,lift the floorboards,pull the caps and drop down a stirrup pump,pumping into 4 gallon tins in the car.

In the early 70s as impoverished pisshead apprentices,early in the week,after the weekend,but before payday - we would walk the streets at night openly carrying a 4 gallon tin and a length of hose.Petrol was 50cents a gallon and my Chev coupe did 10 mpg,my International pick up did 4 mpg.

[SuperDave]

Hmmm, think I witnessed a runner tonight! I filled my car with gas and had a van in front of me, chap had pulled in behind me and was filling up when I came out from paying so I was blocked in. He then got in his van and backed up so I could get out, and he drove towards the shop area, thought he was going to park up to go inside and pay but he ended up driving out. I ended up following behind him for quite some way, wasnt sure how he had managed to pull up after me, but manage to pay before me? :sherlock:


Some places allow you to swipe a fuel card and pay at the pump itself. I know Mobil does this as I use a fuel card to pay for my petrol in the bike. Filled up today and it cost be $20 for the FXR. I remember a time not long ago when $12 would fill me up full. But I'm not too worried, before it becomes too expensive to fill up my bike it will be so expensive to fill up a small car that demand will surely decrease and the petrol price will either remain constant or go down as a result.

[SuperDave]

I don't know why people resort to such petty crimes. If i was that way incline, i would steal a petrol tanker....amateurs.

What would you do with the empty tanker?

[Mattyc]

Is stealing from thieves theft?

AMEN!!!!

Im with you on this one, it will push it back down the line to the oil companies. What gets my bit foaming is the fact petrol went up 5c last week, 3 the week just gone, yet crude has come down after the Katrina disaster... we see no reflection on that, gull was the last to raise their prices.

It wont be long before people start truck - jacking the tankers, the way petrol is going apparently its going to be as high as 1.95 a L by christmas

methanol is only 2$ a litre, at the airfield...

Edit: its 6:44am this doesnt make much sense

[zeRax]

mate works at the servo just a few houses down from me, he told me on wednesday by 12pm they had already had 6 fill and runs

[Brains]

Not overly into the whole theft thing myself, but on the other hand I can appreciate how alot of people are hurting due to the price rise. It seems that if somebody sneezes in the middle east the prices go up, and from my reading it would seem that the oil companies have closed down refineries so that they can reap a larger profit - produce less fuel but sell it for more. I know for myself I don't ride as often as I used to, doing alot more walking now or simply ringing people up instead of visiting. Heck, put $25 in the other day and that wasn't to fill the CBR, when only a few months ago $17 would fill the thing :violin: .

Nothing wrong with making money, however this needs to be balanced up against being a good citzen too.

[bumsex]

Even in the contract it's still illegal. The Wages and Saleries Act clearly states that the employer can not deduct monies from an employees wages unless it is agreed. This agreement is for deductions of union fees, social club fees etc. not for theft by patrons etc.

Some companies where there staff are responsible for the handling of cash claim that there staff are responsible for any 'shortfalls' in cash. They are not.

Skyryder

I once worked at a servo and the employer tried this trick on me ( putting a clause into my contract that said that I was liable for the cost of drive offs). When I questioned him on this he took the clause out but from what I have heard it is quite common pracitse.

[number33]

If you steal, you need your f***en hands pulped to splinters by steel pipe. Bring in public drownings A.S.A.P.

[pritch]

Surely a service station employee isn't legally obliged to carry the cost of a drive-off?

Probably not, but some employers will rely on the fact that spotty faced kids probably don't know that...

[Brains]

If you steal, you need your f***en hands pulped to splinters by steel pipe. Bring in public drownings A.S.A.P.

Ahh, the old public drowning ploy aye? Let me guess, if they drown they're guilty?

[Skyryder]

I once worked at a servo and the employer tried this trick on me ( putting a clause into my contract that said that I was liable for the cost of drive offs). When I questioned him on this he took the clause out but from what I have heard it is quite common pracitse.

Yes I have heard of similar clauses in employment contracts. Even if the employee agrees to this the managment would be in breach of the 'good faith' clauses in the Act. In this instance, an act of good faith would require mangnment to convey to the employee that they are not liable in law for loss of revinue due to customers not paying. Since the employee has been informed of his rights in respect of the subject under discussion, he or she is not likely to sighn any agreement where they are liable for this loss. Hope that makes sense.

Skyryder

[Ixion]

Ahh, the old public drowning ploy aye? Let me guess, if they drown they're guilty?

No. If they drown they're NOT guilty. If they float it's because the water is rejecting them, and you either chop their heads off or burn them at the stake/

I like these good old ways.

[idb]

No. If they drown they're NOT guilty. If they float it's because the water is rejecting them, and you either chop their heads off or burn them at the stake/

I like these good old ways.
It means you always get a result.....no hung juries or re-trials.

[idb]

THEFT CANT BE JUSTIFIED IN THIS INSTANCE

But...it's all so confusing!
What are the justifiable instances?

[WINJA]

But...it's all so confusing!
What are the justifiable instances?
I STOLE FROM SOMEONE WHO STOLE FROM MY FRIEND

[scumdog]

I STOLE FROM SOMEONE WHO STOLE FROM MY FRIEND
And your friend stole from you?

[John]

And your friend stole from you?
no, no, no! his friend stole from that friends friend, to which that friend had taken from his cousins fathers friend, WHICH was the friends grandpa's third childs....friend...

[WINJA]

And your friend stole from you?
IT WAS GOOD FUN SCUM , ID LOVE TO GIVE THE DETAILS ....... BUT.
LETS JUST SAY SOME PRICK LEARNT A LESSON

[geoffm]

The margin on petrol is pretty small. Auntiie Helen makes the most of it, and the Seve Sisters the rest. Petrol station margins are around 4-4.5c/litre. That is pretty thin, and you have to sell a lot of gas to pay for the $100 that just drove down the road. In addition, a lot of people pay with credit cards or eftpos. Off that margin comes the visa commission of (IIRC) 3%ish, so if you pay by credit card, they make no money at all.
if the garage owner wanted me to pay for drive-offs, they could take their job and I would go flip some burgers instead.
Geoff

[strayjuliet]

When I was living in Auckland, I went to the petrol station on a payday, filled up, got back in the car and waited for my partner to come out. He got in the car and we drove to Hamilton. Along the way I asked ''did you pay for the gas?'' He replied ''no, did you?'' I said ''no'' and we both looked at each other said ''oops'' and continued on our way. The next day I went in to the same petrol station that I had gone into the day before and told the guy ''I came in yesterday and filled my car but forgot to pay.'' I knew it cost me $70 to fill (from previous times) so I paid the guy $70 and left.

[Brains]

IT WAS GOOD FUN SCUM , ID LOVE TO GIVE THE DETAILS ....... BUT.
LETS JUST SAY SOME PRICK LEARNT A LESSON

Stealing your friends pet poodles virginity is not what I would call 'good fun', however I can believe that your prick has more ability to retain new information that your brain (using that term very loosely with regards to winja).

:nono:

[DevoDave]

on a scale, worldwide, we still pay bugger all to fill, me about $35 from reserve. but see what it is doing to the price of littlies 250cc or less, they have gone up on average of $500 in the last month

[WINJA]

Stealing your friends pet poodles virginity is not what I would call 'good fun', however I can believe that your prick has more ability to retain new information that your brain (using that term very loosely with regards to winja).

:nono:
YOUR MUM SAYS HI AND DONT WAIT UP

[GN1NiteStnd]

:nono:
Thats not a good idea, well at gull anyway.
We record all the license plate numbers and have the security cameras to back us up.
Besides if this drive off stuff becomes too serious we'd have to switch our pumps to pre-pay perminately.