RIP Robin Williams

[Stirts]

Huge loss to the world!!!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/10374364/Robin-Williams-dies-in-suspected-suicide

http://img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/funny-pictures-auto-joke-robin-williams-363157.jpeg

[yokel]

The world's funniest man commits suicide, oh the irony

[Big Dog]

Not a year for funny men.

[buggerit]

I can only hope rumours of Robbins death have been grossly exagerated:weep:

[Big Dog]

I personally believe that many of the funniest people I have ever met are that way because they are that way as a mechanism to defend themselves from "the big black dog".

[Laava]

Yep, pretty sad alright. He was completely manic tho. On the Graham Norton show recently he just talked over everybody, not listening to anyone else. Really funny but totally self absorbed.

[mashman]

Didn't he head back to rehab at the start of July? Either way, bugga, RIP funny man.

[willytheekid]

http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-ah-yes-divorce-from-the-latin-word-meaning-to-rip-out-a-man-s-genitals-through-his-wallet-robin-williams-198950.jpg

http://uberhumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/4paPfYg.jpg

...R.I.P Robin, a great comedian & showman :(

[gijoe1313]

Nanoo nanoo, Mork is finally going back to Ork ... thanks for all the fish, Robin!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbEBErvW-Uc

[SPman]

A severely troubled man - like so many great comedians.

Vale RW

[240]

What a farken sad day.The wit and spark of this guy is a true loss to the world.
He was a true legend and I have never heard a bad word said about him and that's not easy in Hollywood . R.I.P Robin

[Naki Rat]

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Bugger! :weep:

[MisterD]

Sad, but to quote another extremely funny man who went the same way: "stone me, what a life."

http://boakandbailey.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/hancock_miserable.jpg

[Katman]

Why couldn't it have been Billy Connolly?

[Geeen]

I personally believe that many of the funniest people I have ever met are that way because they are that way as a mechanism to defend themselves from "the big black dog".

Very very true.

[yokel]

Why couldn't it have been Billy Connolly?

Or Adam Sandler?

[Gremlin]

Damn shame... probably one of my most memorable earlier moments was Mrs Doubtfire...

[avgas]

I just watched the episode of Happy Days and Mork. Last week we watch Popeye. I hope he has found what he was looking for. He was a very big fan of NZ.

You will be missed big man.

Nanu Nanu Boss

[MD]

Or Adam Sandler?

+1 Totally agree. Obese people should be made to watch Adam Sadler movies. They make me puke.

Skirts I can understand your thought process when you created this thread but people, please think about the title. Give it a title that actually tells all of us browsing what the hell the subject matter is about.
Nooooooooo ? No what? No more milk left in your fridge? No more demerits points left on your licence.. I can go on for hours with ideas of what Nooooooo could mean. Just maybe something like "No! Robin Wiliams topped himself"

edit- well done. I see you changed it.

[yokel]

+1 Totally agree. Obese people should be made to watch Adam Sadler movies. They make me puck.

Skirts I can understand your thought process when you created this thread but people, please think about the title. Give it a title that actually tells all of us browsing what the hell the subject matter is about.
Nooooooooo ? No what? No more milk left in your fridge? No more demerits points left on your licence.. I can go on for hours with ideas of what Nooooooo could mean. Just maybe something like "No! Robin Wiliams topped himself"

How about" RIP Robin williams, his last gag was not the funniest"

[Swoop]

RIP Robin Williams.
A true and great loss to comedy. He personified the excellence that America gives to the world, stand up comedy! Robin was The King of stand up.


Why couldn't it have been Billy Connolly?
Strange. Of all possible responses, yours remains entirely in-character.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Dirty creature claims another. Sad.

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[oldrider]

For "extreme" people there is no middle ground ... either extremely funny or extremely sad ... fitting in with the rest of the world has it's problems!

Unfortunately the problems too are extreme ... R.I.P. Robin Williams. (Extremely, funny/serious/sad guy!) Thank you for for being here. :yes:

[fridayflash]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=46cG2foNwiU

[R650R]

The RV movie was funny as but he lost me after Worlds Greatest Dad, there's some sick stuff in there that doesn't pass for black comedy in my book.
Feel sorry for the people who may unwittingly go watch it after the herald mentioned it, especially after they quoted the plot story wrong...

[unstuck]

I just hope that people will start to see depression for what it is, and it will make some people seek help. Us men need to stop being so bloody minded about this killer. Talking about your feelings does not make you a weak person, it may just save a life. There is a way through it if you find the right people to support you.

[JATZ]

I just hope that people will start to see depression for what it is, and it will make some people seek help. Us men need to stop being so bloody minded about this killer. Talking about your feelings does not make you a weak person, it may just save a life. There is a way through it if you find the right people to support you.

.....message about spreading rep..... :facepalm:

Good post my friend, :2thumbsup and so true.

[Woodman]

.....message about spreading rep..... :facepalm:

Good post my friend, :2thumbsup and so true.

Tis alright, I gave him some.


RIP to a very clever bugger.

[husaberg]

I personally believe that many of the funniest people I have ever met are that way because they are that way as a mechanism to defend themselves from "the big black dog".

You buggar... I was going to say that..... only neither as eloquently or succinctly..
Tony Hancock, Hugh Laurie,Stephen Fry, David Letterman, Spike Milligan, Mel Smith, Andy Kaufman, Dave Chappelle,Drew Carey, Jim Carrey, Rodney Dangerfield, Ellen DeGeneres,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb68owdlxl8

[caseye]

I just hope that people will start to see depression for what it is, and it will make some people seek help. Us men need to stop being so bloody minded about this killer. Talking about your feelings does not make you a weak person, it may just save a life. There is a way through it if you find the right people to support you.

I agree with this Mans statement fully and apologise for sending red rep when it was meant to be GREEN.
Robin your movies and portrayals had all of my family in tears of joy and on occasion pain but always we felt the love.You are already missed.

[unstuck]

I agree with this Mans statement fully and apologise for sending red rep when it was meant to be GREEN.
Robin your movies and portrayals had all of my family in tears of joy and on occasion pain but always we felt the love.You are already missed.

He was a great talent, for sure. Depression unfortunately does not recognize talent, wealth, success........... The only way forward is to be brave enough to TALK, and if it feels like you have not been heard, find someone else to talk to. For those that have never felt the deep onset of depression, you can help by just listening without judgement to whoever is reaching out to you. If you cannot do that, at least have the honesty to let the person know, that way they can find someone else to listen.:Punk::Punk:

The only way through this kind of thing, is from others being there for each other.

[AllanB]

Sad anyone feels the need to go in that manner. But as a comedian he annoyed me ........

[Dave h]

From the movie Good Will Hunting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM-gZintWDc

[mossy1200]

Sad Stuff.

Sending a tweet as a final goodbye must have caused a massive amount of stress. Knowing that when it was sent he was alive and not being able to prevent it. That's got to be the worst thing you could do to someone.

[Katman]

Strange. Of all possible responses, yours remains entirely in-character.

Really? So sort of like your comment the other day about Minnie Elder then?

[Geeen]

I just hope that people will start to see depression for what it is, and it will make some people seek help. Us men need to stop being so bloody minded about this killer. Talking about your feelings does not make you a weak person, it may just save a life. There is a way through it if you find the right people to support you.

Good post, only issue I have with it is it's not a fear of weakness that stops people talking. Its the belief they aren't worth the effort to help.

[oneofsix]

Good post, only issue I have with it is it's not a fear of weakness that stops people talking. Its the belief they aren't worth the effort to help.

+1, they sink inside themselves but in the male context we often subscribe this to a fear of looking weak when actually it is about not feeling worthy of anyone's help. Woman that are good at talking about their feeling still suffer from it, I have a friend in the category.

So sad that Robin felt he had to make this choice.

[unstuck]

Good post, only issue I have with it is it's not a fear of weakness that stops people talking. Its the belief they aren't worth the effort to help.

Agreed. Unworthiness in and of itself can cause feelings of depression to develop. Whatever the reason, talking about it to someone you trust is the first step in getting a handle on it. :niceone:

[Geeen]

Agreed. Unworthiness in and of itself can cause feelings of depression to develop. Whatever the reason, talking about it to someone you trust is the first step in getting a handle on it. :niceone:

Agreed, the biggest stick I have to keep the dogs away is my awesometastic wife. Everytime I have gone to health professionals all its been is "take these drugs" and when I say I would rather find whats causing it and not hide behind drugs "sorry, we cant help you."

[Shaun Harris]

Good post, only issue I have with it is it's not a fear of weakness that stops people talking. Its the belief they aren't worth the effort to help.



I have heard what you said many a time by a friend who needed help for a long time, finally they gave into there own beliefe and asked for help and now are trully rockin along

[Laava]

Agreed, the biggest stick I have to keep the dogs away is my awesometastic wife. Everytime I have gone to health professionals all its been is "take these drugs" and when I say I would rather find whats causing it and not hide behind drugs "sorry, we cant help you."

Sadly, you can,t really be surprised by that? I have several friends and family members dealing with depression and they are all so totally different that it would be dangerous to make a prognosis for each of them. One guy in particular, his depression is caused by coming down off the drugs he believes are his crutch. P in this case. A close family member has learnt to recognise the signs of imminent crash and can get scripted to level things off. As Big Dog called it, the big black dog is always lurking. Glad you have an awesome wife to help you thru.

[Big Dog]

Agreed, the biggest stick I have to keep the dogs away is my awesometastic wife. Everytime I have gone to health professionals all its been is "take these drugs" and when I say I would rather find whats causing it and not hide behind drugs "sorry, we cant help you."
EOD I know why. Can't fix it. Can't take drugs for it. Brain damage can't be fixed.

I find riding my bike regular and often helps, spending quality time with the family helps lots of things help. Making time to help others helps. Doing things that the completion is the only reward such as shaving with a straight razor or polishing shoes helps. Learning helps.
Each in their own way.
The only one that always helps is music.

Ain't no fix.

Those who matter notice and send me out for a ride, to go play games or just to do something that is just for the sake of it.

If you see someone is not themselves talk to them about anything. Listen to what they say. Let them know they are important and they matter. Sometimes all it takes.

[Big Dog]

Sadly, you can,t really be surprised by that? I have several friends and family members dealing with depression and they are all so totally different that it would be dangerous to make a prognosis for each of them. One guy in particular, his depression is caused by coming down off the drugs he believes are his crutch. P in this case. A close family member has learnt to recognise the signs of imminent crash and can get scripted to level things off. As Big Dog called it, the big black dog is always lurking. Glad you have an awesome wife to help you thru.

The big black dog is a Winstone Churchill reference. He wrote about his relationship with depression. Not that there was any such thing at the time.

Sometimes you walk the big black dog. Sometimes the big black do walks you.
Sometimes you know the big black dog is there other times you have not seen then big black dog in a long time. But don't think he is gone.

[Big Dog]

Can't find the article, but found this sobering quote:
"I don't like standing near the edge of a platform when an express train is passing through. I like to stand right back and if possible get a pillar between me and the train. I don't like to stand by the side of a ship and look down into the water. A second's action would end everything. A few drops of desperation." - Winston Churchill (1874-1965)

I haven't seen it yet but this looked pertinent. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/good-to-share/10568933/How-to-deal-with-the-black-dog-of-depression.html

And back to the man himself.
The thing that always impressed me about Robin Williams was the chameleon like way that the affable goofy man became whoever he needed to be in that moment and without reservation.

“You're only given a spark of madness. You musn't lose it.”


― Robin Williams

[Swoop]

Really? So sort of like your comment the other day about Minnie Elder then?
Your bringing Billy Connelly into the topic was rather odd under the circumstances.
My Minnie statement was without bias one way or another. She has had troubled times and is on the edge, as simple as that. I wish her no ill will & hope that she gets support.

[willytheekid]

Agreed. Unworthiness in and of itself can cause feelings of depression to develop. Whatever the reason, talking about it to someone you trust is the first step in getting a handle on it.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to unstuck again"
:niceone:...pure gold that wee post mate (And from a manly man no less...respect!:yes:)



...and apologise for sending red rep when it was meant to be GREEN.

Tis ok mate, we understand:yes:...old age!:laugh: :love:
hope ya well mate :D

[The Baron]

There is a group is Australia called Black Dog Rides. Do a bloody good job too.

www.blackdogride.com.au

Raising awareness of depression and suicide.

Maybe one day they will ride here.

RIP Robin Williams.

[SPman]

A prosaic eulogy from Russell Brand here


.....Robin Williams could have tapped anyone in the western world on the shoulder and told them he felt down and they would have told him not to worry, that he was great, that they loved him. He must have known that. He must have known his wife and kids loved him, that his mates all thought he was great, that millions of strangers the world over held him in their hearts, a hilarious stranger that we could rely on to anarchically interrupt, the all-encompassing sadness of the world. Today Robin Williams is part of the sad narrative that we used to turn to him to disrupt.......

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/12/russell-brand-robin-williams-divine-madness-broken-world

[yokel]

Yip it was all about "depression"

The US is screwed up,

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[jonbuoy]

Is it depression or self obsession? I find it hard to be sympathetic to him. His family who have to deal with the guilt - that's another story. So many people in far worse situations fighting tooth and nail to stay alive. Hell he could have gone to Liberia and walked around Ebola stricken villages raising funds and awareness. Maybe that would have made him feel better about himself?

[unstuck]

Depression can be overcome, as can anything else. Just takes the right understanding, an open mind, and some loving supportive help. I have overcome it in my own life, and it was quite easy once I had learnt how. The mind is a powerful thing, and it can keep you in a depressed state, or make you rise above it. But you will only get there with an open mind.:2thumbsup

[Ocean1]

Is it depression or self obsession? I find it hard to be sympathetic to him. His family who have to deal with the guilt - that's another story. So many people in far worse situations fighting tooth and nail to stay alive. Hell he could have gone to Liberia and walked around Ebola stricken villages raising funds and awareness. Maybe that would have made him feel better about himself?

That's a reasonably succinct example of the problem, there.

Even people "cured" of depression struggle to sympathise with the afflicted much, there's just nothing inherently "wrong" with their life to blame.

And because there's nothing specific causing the problem there's literally nothing anyone can do to "fix" it.

And for some people there simply isn't a pharmacological option.

[yokel]

Is it depression or self obsession? I find it hard to be sympathetic to him. His family who have to deal with the guilt - that's another story. So many people in far worse situations fighting tooth and nail to stay alive. Hell he could have gone to Liberia and walked around Ebola stricken villages raising funds and awareness. Maybe that would have made him feel better about himself?

When a man is broken It's doesn't matter who or what you are, I'm having dealing with my oldman's brokenness

yes His family will have to deal with the guilt and so they bloody should

[Woodman]

Is it depression or self obsession? I find it hard to be sympathetic to him. His family who have to deal with the guilt - that's another story. So many people in far worse situations fighting tooth and nail to stay alive. Hell he could have gone to Liberia and walked around Ebola stricken villages raising funds and awareness. Maybe that would have made him feel better about himself?

Not how it works sorry. You may as well say someone should walk around Ebola stricken villages to cure a broken leg.

[unstuck]

We cannot focus upon the weaknesses of one another and evoke strengths. You cannot focus upon the things that you think they are doing wrong, and evoke things that will make you feel better. You've got to beat the drum that makes you feel good when you beat it. And when you do, you'll be a strong signal of influence that will help them to reconnect with who they are.:niceone:


Nothing is impossible, fuckers.:Punk::Punk:

[caseye]

We cannot focus upon the weaknesses of one another and evoke strengths. You cannot focus upon the things that you think they are doing wrong, and evoke things that will make you feel better. You've got to beat the drum that makes you feel good when you beat it. And when you do, you'll be a strong signal of influence that will help them to reconnect with who they are.:niceone:


Nothing is impossible, fuckers.:Punk::Punk:

Wot he said!
Cheers dude!

[Stirts]

Is it depression or self obsession? I find it hard to be sympathetic to him. His family who have to deal with the guilt - that's another story. So many people in far worse situations fighting tooth and nail to stay alive. Hell he could have gone to Liberia and walked around Ebola stricken villages raising funds and awareness. Maybe that would have made him feel better about himself?

Have a wee read of this wee jem. It may enlighten you...

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5672519?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063

[jonbuoy]

Have a wee read of this wee jem. It may enlighten you...

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5672519?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063

I all read in that is a lot of "I,I,I" .

[Stirts]

I all read in that is a lot of "I,I,I" .

Oh, would you prefer that she tell HER story in the third person? :scratch:

[yokel]

I all read in that is a lot of "I,I,I" .

We'll it is a woman's point of view.

[Urano]

shit.
i'm really sorry... :(

[Bikemad]

Is it depression or self obsession? I find it hard to be sympathetic to him. His family who have to deal with the guilt - that's another story. So many people in far worse situations fighting tooth and nail to stay alive. Hell he could have gone to Liberia and walked around Ebola stricken villages raising funds and awareness. Maybe that would have made him feel better about himself?

you plonker..........i sure hope no one in your family suffers from mental illness

[unstuck]

shit.
i'm really sorry... :(

Why? What did you do?

[Stirts]

We'll it is a woman's point of view.


"When in doubt, go for the "DICK" joke"

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[yokel]

"When in doubt, go for the "DICK" joke"



Hey! I resemble that remark

[nodrog]

I liked that song he did when he ripped all his skin off.

[jonbuoy]

Oh, would you prefer that she tell HER story in the third person? :scratch:

No maybe just think of other people than herself for a change?

[Stirts]

I liked that song he did when he ripped all his skin off.

Seems you're not the only one. ..

http://www.express.co.uk/news/showbiz/498526/Twitter-Facebook-Tribute-Robbie-Robin-Williams-Dead

:lol:

[jonbuoy]

you plonker..........i sure hope no one in your family suffers from mental illness

I hope you never have to see a friend/family member fight tooth and nail to stay alive - chances are you will at some point.

[jonbuoy]

Not how it works sorry. You may as well say someone should walk around Ebola stricken villages to cure a broken leg.

I disagree - it might have given him a new perspective on life.

[yokel]

No maybe just think of other people than herself for a change?

It's a woman, it's what they do

[Stirts]

Is it depression or self obsession? I find it hard to be sympathetic to him. His family who have to deal with the guilt - that's another story.


No maybe just think of other people than herself for a change?

You realise it was her father that committed suicide?


I hope you never have to see a friend/family member fight tooth and nail to stay alive - chances are you will at some point.

I watched my father fight for his life. .. a 4 year battle but the cancer won. He was 51.

Depression is an illness, that eats away at you. Much like cancer I suppose.

[jonbuoy]

You realise it was her father that committed suicide?



I watched my father fight for his life. .. a 4 year battle but the cancer won. He was 51.

Depression is an illness, that eats away at you. Much like cancer I suppose.

Which in turn has fucked her up for life. What pisses me off is Robin Williams (unlike the rest of the population) had the money and influence to do some real good in the world. Maybe people who suffer with depression can answer this - if you help someone else does it make you feel good about yourself? If you know someone needs you doesn't that give you a reason or more reason to live?

[Big Dog]

Which in turn has fucked her up for life. What pisses me off is Robin Williams (unlike the rest of the population) had the money and influence to do some real good in the world. Maybe people who suffer with depression can answer this - if you help someone else does it make you feel good about yourself? If you know someone needs you doesn't that give you a reason or more reason to live?

Sometimes. Sometimes it is the only reason there are less dead people tonight than there could have been.
Sometimes it feels like you have been knocked down, a lot and now some cock has their boot over your neck so you can't lift up out of the mud. The boot is the person who needs you.

Sometimes you feel so overwhelmed that someone you love very much asking for a hug feels like one thing to many. Like that hug is too much to ask.

Yesterday as I was getting ready for work, going through the motions. Knowing if I just keep moving forwards sooner or later the big black dog will go and play by himself. Leave me alone. The neighbours car would not start. Being in a position to identify the problem ( flat battery ) and the cause ( blocked air filter ) an having the skills everything I need to clean her filter and start her car left me feeling like I was walking on air. At least until I heard about Robin.

On other occasions I have gone from feeling like a million bucks to feeling like there is no end to the foolishness of man, no end to what is expected of me just because someone needed me to pick up some milk.

There is a lot of talking about me. A lot of I, i, I in that but there is no other way to share your story.
I don't share this for me. I share this in the hopes someone will read this and say I am not alone or someone will come away with a better understanding of what their loved one is going through.

Perhaps a little different for everyone. In my case I had a brain injury 24.5 years ago. My brain has trouble regulating my hormones. I have effectively been in puberty for 30 years and will be for the rest I my life. Because it is inconsistent there is no medicating. Kind of like bi polar but with longer peaks and troughs but some respite in the middle.

[yokel]

You realise it was her father that committed suicide?



I watched my father fight for his life. .. a 4 year battle but the cancer won. He was 51.

Depression is an illness, that eats away at you. Much like cancer I suppose.

so do you think having the life sucked out of you from your ex wives is a illness?

[Big Dog]

Or did depression suck the life out of 3 marriages before he decided enough was enough?

[yokel]

Or did depression suck the life out of 3 marriages before he decided enough was enough?

with out a doubt he was a dysfunctional person but the US have a fucked up thing called alimony.
it's a straw and camels back scenario.

[FlangMasterJ]

My heart sunk when I heard the news.

Good Will Hunting is my favorite film and I must've seen this scene over a dozen times but it hit me harder than ever watching it earlier this evening.

HSfxl1KI6y8

RIP

[Big Dog]

with out a doubt he was a dysfunctional person but the US have a fucked up thing called alimony.
it's a straw and camels back scenario.

Chicken? Egg?

[yokel]

Chicken? Egg?

It all depends on how you want to see it or dont want to see it. ha


it starts with a chicken having a egg then chicken not loving the egg witch ends up being a screwed up individual, some make it some dont

http://youtu.be/diyuAXzN7yo?list=UUC3L8QaxqEGUiBC252GHy3w

[unstuck]

The fact that it states " the truth" tells me all I kneed to know about that.:lol::lol:

[5150]

Depression is a Bitch..... Lost a good friend to it last year :(

[yokel]

The fact that it states " the truth" tells me all I kneed to know about that.:lol::lol:

What? That you can't handle the truth! Haha

[unstuck]

What? That you can't handle the truth! Haha

Whos truth? We all have a different truth as far as I am concerned. :2thumbsup

[unstuck]

http://www.breathingspacelondon.org.uk/help-for-depression/MBCT-at-Breathing-Space/about-MBCT/

[Ocean1]

Which in turn has fucked her up for life. What pisses me off is Robin Williams (unlike the rest of the population) had the money and influence to do some real good in the world. Maybe people who suffer with depression can answer this - if you help someone else does it make you feel good about yourself? If you know someone needs you doesn't that give you a reason or more reason to live?

Understand that for someone deeply affected by depression there is no link whatsoever between real world events and how they feel. Nothing they can do will help themselves, and the expectation that they can and should is possibly the most difficult thing they'll have to deal with.

Some find partial answers with CBT or similar therapy, but it takes discipline and energy that often simply isn't available from them in that state. Which is why it's such a bitch of a thing, it tends to deprive you of the tools to help yourself.

[yokel]

http://www.breathingspacelondon.org.uk/help-for-depression/MBCT-at-Breathing-Space/about-MBCT/

Reading that shit makes me feel like coking on some cock! haha

[unstuck]

Reading that shit makes me feel like coking on some cock! haha

Dont let me stop you, sounds like a worthy cause.:yes:

[unstuck]

Understand that for someone deeply affected by depression there is no link whatsoever between real world events and how they feel. Nothing they can do will help themselves, and the expectation that they can and should is possibly the most difficult thing they'll have to deal with.

Some find partial answers with CBT or similar therapy, but it takes discipline and energy that often simply isn't available from them in that state. Which is why it's such a bitch of a thing, it tends to deprive you of the tools to help yourself.

That is the kind of attitude that keeps people stuck where they are in my opinion, if you think there is no hope, then sadly there is not much hope for you.
ALL limitations are self imposed. :niceone:

[SPman]

Is it depression or self obsession? I find it hard to be sympathetic to him. His family who have to deal with the guilt - that's another story. So many people in far worse situations fighting tooth and nail to stay alive. Hell he could have gone to Liberia and walked around Ebola stricken villages raising funds and awareness. Maybe that would have made him feel better about himself?Unless you've been in the depths of real depression, that is a stupid assertation to make!When you're at the suicidal depths, reason and argument just don't get a look sideways and survival instincts can be all but crushed under the weight of despair and utter hopelessness and futility that engulfs you. It's not like the normal depression everyone gets in the usual ebb and flow of living.......

[caseye]

Reading that shit makes me feel like coking on some cock! haha

Go do it, but make damn sure you do choke on it your pathetic attempt at humour at anothers expense sickens me.
This subject affects a shit load more people than you are obviously capable of understanding.
Please do have sex and travel.

[Ocean1]

That is the kind of attitude that keeps people stuck where they are in my opinion, if you think there is no hope, then sadly there is not much hope for you.
ALL limitations are self imposed. :niceone:

Ah yes, the blind assertion that it's all their fault. Just what they need.

It's not an attitude, it's a simple fact.

And yes I'm aware of the perception that it's just a cop-out, that if they really tried they could change their mood for the better. But that's just what it is, a perception from outside, it holds no truth for the clinically depressed at all.

All you can do is teach them how to modify the positive feedback loops to become less damaging and then hope for breathing space, perhaps from some medication that might allow them the leverage to help themselves. From the bottom of the pit? No chance.

[unstuck]

Ah yes, the blind assertion that it's all their fault. Just what they need.

It's not an attitude, it's a simple fact.

And yes I'm aware of the perception that it's just a cop-out, that if they really tried they could change their mood for the better. But that's just what it is, a perception from outside, it holds no truth for the clinically depressed at all.

All you can do is teach them how to modify the positive feedback loops to become less damaging and then hope for breathing space, perhaps from some medication that might allow them the leverage to help themselves. From the bottom of the pit? No chance.

From someone who was diagnosed as clinically depressed in my early 20's, I sure seem to have it beat.:whistle:
And I am sure the people in recent years I have helped to rid of medication and depression would be rather grateful for the help I have given them.:msn-wink:

[Ocean1]

From someone who was diagnosed as clinically depressed in my early 20's, I sure seem to have it beat.:whistle:
And I am sure the people in recent years I have helped to rid of medication and depression would be rather grateful for the help I have given them.:msn-wink:

Snap. But I'm not afraid to say I had help, and that I wouldn't have made it without it.

And I'd still say that there's a very fine line between encouraging positive thinking and blaming them for their failure to make that work.

[unstuck]

Snap. But I'm not afraid to say I had help, and that I wouldn't have made it without it.

And I'd still say that there's a very fine line between encouraging positive thinking and blaming them for their failure to make that work.

Don't remember blaming anyone for not making anything work.:innocent:
I had help too, just not from the mental health, all they seemed to want is to fill me with pills. Mine came through a failed suicide attempt, and was a real turning point for me, not just with depression, but my whole life. :niceone:

[Bikemad]

Understand that for someone deeply affected by depression there is no link whatsoever between real world events and how they feel. Nothing they can do will help themselves, and the expectation that they can and should is possibly the most difficult thing they'll have to deal with.

Some find partial answers with CBT or similar therapy, but it takes discipline and energy that often simply isn't available from them in that state. Which is why it's such a bitch of a thing, it tends to deprive you of the tools to help yourself.


Unless you've been in the depths of real depression, that is a stupid assertation to make!When you're at the suicidal depths, reason and argument just don't get a look sideways and survival instincts can be all but crushed under the weight of despair and utter hopelessness and futility that engulfs you. It's not like the normal depression everyone gets in the usual ebb and flow of living.......

give up fellas.........he just don't get it

[R650R]

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/family-guy-episode-robin-williams-aired-shortly-death-announced-article-1.1900978

[yokel]

Go do it, but make damn sure you do choke on it your pathetic attempt at humour at anothers expense sickens me.
This subject affects a shit load more people than you are obviously capable of understanding.
Please do have sex and travel.

what makes you think I give a shit what you think of my humour?

my old man is in same boat as Robin but with out a sense of humour, I worry about him everyday

[Ocean1]

give up fellas.........he just don't get it

Yeah he does. And he's right. For him. Routine maintenance for an ex-sufferer: relentless positive reinforcement. Fake it until you can make it.

But existing sufferers often don't have the resources, in fact it's often as much as they can do to refrain from relentless negative reinforcement.

[jonbuoy]

give up fellas.........he just don't get it

Your right - sorry I don't. Can't understand suicide and I doubt I ever will. It's as alien a concept to me as mine is to you. I feel sorry for someone in that situation but it doesn't help me understand it. Especially someone who has children. Hell even his own children said they couldn't understand why he wouldn't stay around for them.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/robin-williams-kids-understand-find-heart-stay/story?id=24955095

[caseye]

what makes you think I give a shit what you think of my humour?

my old man is in same boat as Robin but with out a sense of humour, I worry about him everyday

As you should.
Tell me, do you make a point of seeing him everyday?
Ah, hell I'm sorry I can;t give you shit knowing what you've told us now, but hell you are not alone and I know there are many , many more even just here in KB land who are worried about someone they know just like you are.
For what its worth , you, are not alone, it's convincing you're dad he's not too, then keeping him/them knowing that they matter to us/someone.
Keep at it aye.

[yokel]

As you should.
Tell me, do you make a point of seeing him everyday?
Ah, hell I'm sorry I can;t give you shit knowing what you've told us now, but hell you are not alone and I know there are many , many more even just here in KB land who are worried about someone they know just like you are.
For what its worth , you, are not alone, it's convincing you're dad he's not too, then keeping him/them knowing that they matter to us/someone.
Keep at it aye.

Hey man no sweat, Yeah I see him most days but the thing is I can hardly tolerate him, very hard to have an actual conversation with him.
I get pissed when people say it's "depression" as in a metal illness when to my mind it clearly is not.
It's environmental and usually has something to do with a female of some sort, ether directly or indirectly after all life is all about the chicks.
and like many other men his heart has been broken, but the silly prick broke it him self so what do ya do?

[Berries]

Take away his shoe laces?

[avgas]

Depression is a Bitch..... Lost a good friend to it last year :(
I almost lost one to it last year. Found him in the park unconscious after his wife called me in a desperate manor. Told him if he did it again I wouldn't ring the ambulance, I would tow him him home instead.
"But you don't have a trailer?"
"You will bounce fine for a corpse"

Bad joke - but it made the whole thing very real for him, and flicked whatever the right switch was for him to think about life again.

Depression is a horrible fucked up shit. I had it in my teens and I can tell you honestly, that when you hit that point that Robin did........your gonna find what Robin found.

Miss ya big man.

[Bikemad]

Especially someone who has children. Hell even his own children said they couldn't understand why he wouldn't stay around for them.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/robin-williams-kids-understand-find-heart-stay/story?id=24955095

look i don't understand it either and it would never be an option for me........but i think somehow people who do do it actually think they are doing the right thing by their children however misguided that may be................thats mental illness.

[unstuck]

look i don't understand it either and it would never be an option for me........but i think somehow people who do do it actually think they are doing the right thing by their children however misguided that may be................thats mental illness.

Sometimes when you are in that dark place, it just seems like it is the next logical step. Such is the inability to think rationally from the depths of such an illness.

[JATZ]

Sometimes when you are in that dark place, it just seems like it is the next logical step. Such is the inability to think rationally from the depths of such an illness.

:yes: It seems right at the time. Couldn't agree more....

[mashman]

Ever seen The Fisher King. Great great movie.

Actor ‘Always Required Film Companies To Hire Homeless People' (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/08/13/robin-williams-dead-rider-film_n_5674896.html).