What determines who you vote for?

[chickenfunkstar]

I was discussing this with a friend earlier this week, after seeing some of the national parties leaked emails, which said that Don Brash should try to buy his way into power by using tax cuts. I didn't have a particular problem with this, however the news seemed to portray that this was a bad thing.
We then got talking about what determines who you vote for.

Do you vote for the party which gives you, the individual the most benefits, or what gives the country as a whole the most benefits?

[bigboy]

i GO FOR THINGS THAT I BENIFIT FROM...

[Wolf]

I want to vote for the ones who don't lie - that's my vote buggered.

I've seen a few interesting policies on various things (too numerous to list) but no one party embodies all the ones I like (and that's assuming they'll actually stick to their supposed policies).

Labour is promising a lot for families, National is digging at speed cameras, revenue gathering, taxation and the 111 sytem in their ads but yeah, like they're really going to do anything to cut the revenue gathering when they've promised income tax cuts - they'll probably up the existing taxes and speed cameras to pay for the income tax drop they've promised.

Libertarianz has some good points but I vehemently disagree with some of their other policies.

NZ First will never get my vote until Winnie is gone and they prove that his replacement isn't as big a liar - and maybe not even then...

And I believe that no matter who you vote for, the government always wins.

[XTC]

I'll probably vote for the same people I voted for ever since I was old enough to vote...... No One!! Don't vote as it only encourages them :nono:

[The Stranger]

Every time in the past I have voted for whom I feel will do best for the country.

They are all such a lying pack of self serving mongrels that I think I shall vote National for 1 reason.

They are talking of reining in the revenue gatherers.

There should be a maximum term so as to stop career politicians from gorging at the trough too long and so that they realise what it is like to work for a living.

[Wolf]

They are all such a lying pack of self serving mongrels that I think I shall vote National for 1 reason.

They are talking of reining in the revenue gatherers.
They're also talking of funding the new Auckland roading etc earlier than Clarke has promised - if they rein in the revenue gathering and cut income tax, how do they propose to fund it?

Make no mistake, they will have plans for hitting us harder than ever in order to make more revenue than the previous regime - no political party is going to truly decrease revenue gathering...

All they ever do is change the methods of gathering revenue.

Not just slamming National here, not saying Labour won't come up with new revenue gathering techniques (or increase old ones) if they get back in - just saying they're all thieving bastards

[**R1**]

i GO FOR THINGS THAT I BENIFIT FROM...Nice Avatar:devil2:

[Lou Girardin]

Money Honey.

[Hitcher]

i GO FOR THINGS THAT I BENIFIT FROM...
Crikey, get rid of that avatar you dickhead! Some of us could lose our jobs!

[BNZ]

Well blue is my fav colour

[vifferman]

I feel totally disgruntled this year, and don't like any of the dishonest, self-serving bastids. If I could, I'd vote "No Confidence". I have neither a decent candidate in my electorate, nor a decent party to vote for. Might do like son#2, for whom this is his first chance to vote: "Meh... it's not worth the effort of walking up the road to vote..."

[Sniper]

Crikey, get rid of that avatar you dickhead! Some of us could lose our jobs!

Ive been talking to him about he, he isnt keen to. And thats putting it nicely, not all the shit Im getting

[bigboy]

Crikey, get rid of that avatar you dickhead! Some of us could lose our jobs!

you get rid of yours first

[Sniper]

you get rid of yours first

See what I mean hitcher. He has the IAmAngryAtMyFather Syndrome

[BNZ]

Crikey, get rid of that avatar you dickhead! Some of us could lose our jobs!

What? You work?

[Jantar]

I'm basing my vote on the following:

1. Taxation. A lower direct tax take does help boost economic growth.
2. Energy. We need more power stations, and a firmer transmission grid. That requires a return to a central planning system.
3. Defence. At least a sufficient strike force for training purposes.
4. Kyoto. Scrap it.

So far it looks like either National or Act. Probably split my vote.

[chickenfunkstar]

Nice Avatar:devil2:

I didn't even notice till you pointed it out.

[BNZ]

See what I mean hitcher. He has the IAmAngryAtMyFather Syndrome

Is he your son? :rofl:

[The Stranger]

That is too deep. I haven't a clue how they are going to do any of this stuff, Truth be told (now there an idea), they probably don't either and probably half of what they say they wont do anyway.

But hey I must say I really like the pic on your profile.

[Sniper]

Is he your son? :rofl:

Please god no :chase: :motu:

[bigboy]

YOU FUCKERS ALL HAPPY NOW?????? hope ya like fattys

[BNZ]

YOU FUCKERS ALL HAPPY NOW?????? hope ya like fattys

You are a dick.

Edit - Looks like your mum is really benefiting from the Jenny Craig course as well.

[Wolf]

Ive been talking to him about he, he isnt keen to. And thats putting it nicely, not all the shit Im getting
It's just the sort of image I want on my screen when a client/the boss walks past or to be found in a scan of the server's cache - not!

[**R1**]

YOU FUCKERS ALL HAPPY NOW?????? hope ya like fattysI liked the other one better:puke:

[Sniper]

YOU FUCKERS ALL HAPPY NOW?????? hope ya like fattys

Did you study to be an arsehole, or does it come naturally? Please just play nice

[TLDV8]

Do you vote for the party which gives you, the individual the most benefits, or what gives the country as a whole the most benefits?


I vote for what is good for the Country,if its good it will filter down....I said i would always be patriotic to New Zealand but i have had enough of the BS and hand out mentality..another Tradesman heading to Australia :violin:

[Lou Girardin]

But how do you know what's good for the country?
They all say they've NZ's best interests at heart. :puke:

[chickenfunkstar]

But how do you know what's good for the country?
They all say they've NZ's best interests at heart. :puke:

Haha, what you think is good for the country, not what they think.

[bigboy]

You are a dick.

Edit - Looks like your mum is really benefiting from the Jenny Craig course as well.

yea suck my dick fagget :motu:

[bigboy]

It's just the sort of image I want on my screen when a client/the boss walks past or to be found in a scan of the server's cache - not!

what u doin on here when ur spose to b workin cock!!!

[Sniper]

what u doin on here when ur spose to b workin cock!!!

We all work here mate, now, back to your hole

[BNZ]

yea suck my dick fagget :motu:

Wow, looks like between mouthfulls your mother taught you some great lessons on social interaction.

[Sniper]

yea suck my dick fagget :motu:

I knew you were gay

[bigboy]

We all work here mate, now, back to your holeYeah with your post count it looks like it...get a life or a boy friend or summin u "lonely guy"

[vifferman]

I wish to state pblicly (and I'm tellig the truth this time) that bigboy's not one of my figments/multiple persons. Even though I have 'hole' in my profile thingo a couple of times.

[chickenfunkstar]

Yeah with your post count it looks like it...get a life or a boy friend or summin u "lonely guy"


yea suck my dick fagget


I would say the same about your Mom but she is still suckin my cock...



What about you start your own thread, regarding issues which you'd like to talk about?
That way I can find out about the question I asked and you can see who the "faggets" are.

[**R1**]

I wish to state pblicly (and I'm tellig the truth this time) that bigboy's not one of my figments/multiple persons. Even though I have 'hole' in my profile thingo a couple of times.What?? did i miss sumthing?

[Sniper]

What about you start your own thread, regarding issues which you'd like to talk about?
That way I can find out about the question I asked and you can see who the "faggets" are.

He proberbly IS gay and really wants a male companion. I would steer well clear

[vifferman]

What?? did i miss sumthing?
Nuttn to see here... move along, big fulla.

[Odin]

If i could vote i'd vote national. Not becaurce i like the Brash man or anything, but i am not a socialist and National is really the other side and they support people that help them self (IMHO)

I can not understand anybody voting for NZ first, sorry but i really can't.

I think Helen has done a good job for a laybour party person but please let it be over now .....

I know, bad rep and all that.... :chase:

[BNZ]

If i could vote i'd vote national. Not becaurce i like the Brash man or anything, but i am not a socialist and National is really the other side and they support people that help them self (IMHO)

I can not understand anybody voting for NZ first, sorry but i really can't.

I think Helen has done a good job for a laybour party person but please let it be over now .....

I know, bad rep and all that.... :chase:

Ive already voted Nats as I am away election weekend.

[Odin]

Ive already voted Nats as I am away election weekend.

....nats......mmmmmmm.......Naturals.....mmmmmmm ....... bouncy bounce.......( . Y . ) .........uhhh ups, about 8 hours ahead of my self.
Back on subject..... Right, i can't vote becauce I'm one of these bloody foriners, not becaurce I'm away. But good on you ..... Dare i say "Go mr. bank man" then you can figure who i mean :sherlock:

[idb]

They're also talking of funding the new Auckland roading etc earlier than Clarke has promised
Does anyone else see a certain irony here....in the current climate of concerns about oil supply and cost, and discussions on how to cut back on energy use..............................?

[idb]

I'm basing my vote on the following:

1. Taxation. A lower direct tax take does help boost economic growth.
2. Energy. We need more power stations, and a firmer transmission grid. That requires a return to a central planning system.
3. Defence. At least a sufficient strike force for training purposes.
4. Kyoto. Scrap it.

So far it looks like either National or Act. Probably split my vote.
It's the best air-brushed billboard portrait for me.
Heyyyy! They really do work...!


PS Are you going to Bruce Bay this weekend Jantar?

[Timber020]

For me its a case of elimination.
I like national but they have no real leader, brash is all about $. He hasnt done anything outside of economics and that is his primary drive. He made a farse of Dawn Service last ANZAC day which pissed off everyone. And wouldnt know ordinary NZers aside from handshakes and polls. Hes got more time for the US than NZ. And it worries me that national is so keen to get in that they are promising alot more than whats healthy

Winston, I like the dude, NZ needs shit stirrers such as him, although I think hes quite racist. I wouldnt want him in any place of real power as I think his ego would cause the tides to come in wherever he stood. Hes a great underdog, but I wouldnt want to see him as leader.

Greens, like some of their concepts but if you implemented everything that they want then the world would eventually starve to death or die of Cum-By-Ya overload. Painfully socialist. They do really care about the world, but we would have to wipe out 80% of the worlds population to make it work.

Act-there hard line appeals, and to the average redneck there ideas are sound, but I just dont think that they would work. Talking to an expert in corrections (who no longer works there) they said the act ideas would just make our crime rate worse in the long term.

Maori party-yeah right. Im sure i would be far more interested if I was maori, or if it was a pakeha party (oh wait, all the rest are pakeha partys....)

United future/outdoor rec-funnily enough it seem hunters dont like walking anymore and kick up a fuss when doc doesnt let them drive there 4wds everywhere. Sorry that I rant but there ideas on marine reserves stinks to
In short get fucked, let me walk around your home in the middle of the night with a rifle and just say Im chasing game.

Labour-been in a long time, maybe to long, Like national making to many promises and helen lacks pretty and charm in the same way harleys lack performce-ie she has none. Labour has done some stupid spending and have taxed the crap out of us. BUT she hasnt screwed up to royal, she hasnt sold NZ down the river and I basically dont like her but do trust her in the job she does.
A friend had a problem, I cant explain it but it had something to do with uni. She had a hard time finding anyone to help and got shunted around about 5 offices until she ended up talking to the PM. (she was very suprised and nervous) The PM listened to her and sorted it by personally calling some effected parties and working out a solution that worked.

Sometimes NZ is just damn cool.

[SPman]

Its a case of elimination for me as well
----------------------------- shit
Well, thats me fucked - no one worth voting for - they're all a pack of lying, self serving, beauracratic c***ts, who deserve neither our votes, money nor sympathy!
None of them have a real plan, or vision of the future. They're ALL scrabbling for votes, in whatever heinous, underhand way they can, whilst, at the same time slagging off everyone else!
Wheres the McGillicuddy Serious Party, when you need them?
Bloody hell!!!!!!

All The Way With Apathy!......

[erik]

...Not just slamming National here, not saying Labour won't come up with new revenue gathering techniques (or increase old ones) if they get back in - just saying they're all thieving bastards

Maybe I'm being naive here, but doesn't the majority of tax go back into society - social welfare, public services, roads, police, emergency services, hospitals, schools etc.?

It's all about finding a balance between the money that goes back into society through the government and the money people spend for themselves.
If the money going back to society (through governmental tax) is thought to be too much, then tax cuts seem appropriate.
BUT when I've heard politicians talking about tax cuts they always seem to be appealing to people's greed rather than logically arguing that the current level of tax isn't required.

I'm voting for the parties that I think seem the most honest, that I agree more or less with their ideals and that I think will do a good job governing society.

[The Stranger]

I'm voting for the parties that I think seem the most honest

So you're not voting then?

[MikeL]

Good point, erik.

Elections are a bit like shuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic. Some people will be temporarily more comfortable, at the expense of others... But the voices of those urging a timely and orderly evacuation into the lifeboats are drowned by the clamour of the greedy and selfish calling for more blankets to ward off the chill as they enjoy a last brandy and cigar. And the band plays on...

The really important issues for this country are social, racial, environmental, and they are long-term concerns. Those who think the election is all about money in their pockets should ask themselves how long their newly-created prosperity will last.

[Pixie]

must not be a Hagg

[Lou Girardin]

I think I'll use the principle of "my enemies enemy is my friend".

[Wolf]

I think I'll use the principle of "my enemies enemy is my friend".
Arab logic (It is, after all, an old Arabian proverb) and has been repeatedly demonstrated to be erroneous - your enemy's enemy may well want to kill you too...