Best alternative to Trade Me?

[red675]

I haven't tried to list a bike for sale on Trademe for a while and just got a shock when looking at their prices: $59 for something over $1500 in value. Maybe it isn't news to anyone but me but its still not right. So I checked Autotrader and found they didn't do bikes, so then had a look elsewhere and though the rates were much lower ($10 until sold) I didn't find anywhere with much more than a few listings. So is there no alternative to Trademe and if not would the Commerce Commission be the next best place to go ?

[Mom]

www.gumtree.co.nz

[Berries]

would the Commerce Commission be the next best place to go ?
Do they sell bikes?

[Robbo]

TradeMe is still the best option for exposure and sales success of your bike. Just add another $60 on your asking price to cover this. Gumtree isn't all that big in NZ yet but it is getting there. It's quite big in Oz and I used it a few times myself when living there but it has a high rate of scammers lurking on it.

[awayatc]

Also list on Kiwi biker.........

[cynna]

motorcycle trader magazine maybe? not sure of price but trademe is always the first place i look.....

[HenryDorsetCase]

Realistically there is no alternative to tardme. And yes, their prices are obscene:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/10402302/Steady-profit-for-Trade-Me-staff-to-grow

relevant.



you might try Wheedle if it is still going. It was being bankrolled by the guy who started Mainfreight: I looked at it a few times and it just didnt have the critical mass.....

fuck tardme.

[JimO]

be sure to put a link to your add on here so we can take the piss

[tigertim20]

I had a bit of a surprise last time I sold a bike on TM, but, given the amount of exposure you get, you really cant beat it. of the last 10 or so vehicles I have bought and sold, only one of those transactions was for a vehicle or a buyer within 100km of me.

TM costs, but more often than not it gets results you wont get anywhere else.

Just add an additional 5k to the asking price to cover your fees, like many other people trying to sell bikes worth about $1500 do :rolleyes:

[Swoop]

you might try Wheedle if it is still going.
I heard on Te Radio NEWS a while back, that it was being wound up.

BetradeMe are the big player now. The Real estate people were also shifting their house listings to their own website due to excessive arse-raping and profiteering by TardMe.

[Erelyes]

Close to $100 to sell a bike on auction now, they are really getting fucking ridiculous.

That said there's the old analogy....

Nikola Tesla visited Henry Ford at his factory, which was having some kind of difficulty. Ford asked Tesla if he could help identify the problem area. Tesla walked up to a wall of boilerplate and made a small X in chalk on one of the plates. Ford was thrilled, and told him to send an invoice.

The bill arrived, for $10,000. Ford asked for a breakdown. Tesla sent another invoice, indicating a $1 charge for marking the wall with an X, and $9,999 for knowing where to put it.

[Grashopper]

These guys have been trying to offer a bike-specific alternative, but it hasn't really kicked off yet: http://www.motorcyclealley.co.nz

[jasonu]

Park it at the end of your driveway and put a for sale sign on it.
Really though, for less than $100 the whole country can see your bike for sale. Doesn't sound too bad to me.

[neels]

Until people vote with their feet, it won't change.

At the moment we are stuck in the loop of people don't want to use trademe but won't use other websites as there is not enough interest on other websites, because people don't list with other websites there is no interest so the only realistic option is trademe.

[skippa1]

Nobody forces anyone to use trade me......you can choose where you list.....it just so happens that trade me is the best place to sell.....you get what you pay for, cough up the hundy. A hundy is cheap if you sell

[Robbo]

Nobody forces anyone to use trade me......you can choose where you list.....it just so happens that trade me is the best place to sell.....you get what you pay for, cough up the hundy. A hundy is cheap if you sell

X2 to that. Not sure where the $100 came from though, check their rates here:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sell/Type.aspx

Considering the coverage your advertising gets and the sales success rate it's not that bad as value for money.

Provided you price your bike sensibly and realistically. There's always a mug, oops I mean buyer out there for everything.

[mossy1200]

Wonder if tardme has made its 700mill buy price back. Maybe if they haven't yet they will drop the huge prices when they get there.

TUI?

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what they ask they have the market shut down.

[nerrrd]

Wonder if tardme has made its 700mill buy price back. Maybe if they haven't yet they will drop the huge prices when they get there.

TUI?

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what they ask they have the market shut down.

Fairfax sold it's stake in Trademe a couple of years ago, think they pretty much got back what they paid for it.

[more_fasterer]

So is there no alternative to Trademe and if not would the Commerce Commission be the next best place to go ?

I was going to suggest sella.co.nz, as that's how my mate bought his Firestorm... but I just had a look at it and there are ZERO listings other than businesses for sale. :confused:

[Big Dog]

X2 to that. Not sure where the $100 came from though, check their rates here:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sell/Type.aspx

Considering the coverage your advertising gets and the sales success rate it's not that bad as value for money.

Provided you price your bike sensibly and realistically. There's always a mug, oops I mean buyer out there for everything.
Because on top of your listing fee there are any extras you choose plus a success fee. Iirc in February that was $69 for a 6k sale.
1.5% less listing fee was what the notice said.

Took it to $118 plus some coins.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

The bike went for less than it was "worth" by 4k. But a bike is only worth what you can get for it and I needed a new commuter more than i needed a toy.

Same with trade me fees. If I had not needed to and only wanted to sell the bike I would have listed it with a lesser brand.
Waited the 5 years it would have taken to get book.

Supply vs demand is a cruel curve in automotives.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[nzspokes]

Do they sell bikes?

Well yes, I did wonder that myself.

Yes it costs to sell stuff. Wait until you start selling your house.....

[Nathan W.]

I know this is an old thread, but if you're still looking for a place to sell your bikes, try www.postanote.co.nz. Like Gumtree, it's free to buy and sell. We've got around 13,000 items on there right now, mostly South Island listings but quickly growing across to the north as well.

We also put out a print product that goes to 220,000 homes, also free. Let us know if you have any questions.

nathan@postanote.co.nz

[Blackbird]

Nobody forces anyone to use trade me......you can choose where you list.....it just so happens that trade me is the best place to sell.....you get what you pay for, cough up the hundy. A hundy is cheap if you sell

Totally agree - it's cheap and quick provided you do a good job of putting the advert together. Just sold my wife's 2000 Anniversary Edition MX-5 but spent time beforehand putting together high quality photos of it in nice locations. Phone started ringing literally 10 minutes after placing the ad and we were inundated with calls and emails until we removed the ad. First person to see it bought it. Exactly the same result for my Street Triple last October so I have no issue with TM at all.

[Akzle]

I know this is an old thread, but if you're still looking for a place to sell your bikes, try www.postanote.co.nz. Like Gumtree, it's free to buy and sell. We've got around 13,000 items on there right now, mostly South Island listings but quickly growing across to the north as well.

We also put out a print product that goes to 220,000 homes, also free. Let us know if you have any questions.

nathan@postanote.co.nz

bring back trade and exchange.

Btw, your shit blocks my prox.

[G4L4XY]

I don't know how fluent you are with Facebook but there are buy and sell groups on there, just search eg Hamilton Buy & Sell and join the group. There are bike specific groups as well. Bike Sale NZ is another one.

[Autech]

I don't know how fluent you are with Facebook but there are buy and sell groups on there, just search eg Hamilton Buy & Sell and join the group. There are bike specific groups as well. Bike Sale NZ is another one.

I just gave that Bike Sale NZ a crack. Worth a shot I think as I believe the longer we prop up Trademe's extortion the worse it is going to get. But in a week's time if the bike sale and KB methods fail, I shall bite the bullet and chuck it up on Trademe.

[neels]

I don't know how fluent you are with Facebook but there are buy and sell groups on there, just search eg Hamilton Buy & Sell and join the group. There are bike specific groups as well. Bike Sale NZ is another one.
My experiences with those groups have not been great.

There seem to be quite a number set up in each area, some of which it seems are mainly set up for selling illegal substances, so you're not quite sure what you're signing up for.

The people involved seem to prefer to do business meeting at a pub car park/deserted back road/behind the airport, which raises some questions on their legal right to be selling the thing in the first place

Any advert immediately gets a number of ridiculous low ball offers for cash right now, the concept of a reasonable offer related to the asking price seems to not exist.

Even if you do turn up at the appointed meeting place, when you message the seller to find out where they are the reply is 'oh yeah sry m8, sld it ystrday'

There are probably some genuine sellers, but they seem to be vastly outnumbered by complete fuckwits, so sadly if you want to advertise to actual sane buyers trademe still seems the best option.

[Autech]

My experiences with those groups have not been great.

There seem to be quite a number set up in each area, some of which it seems are mainly set up for selling illegal substances, so you're not quite sure what you're signing up for.

The people involved seem to prefer to do business meeting at a pub car park/deserted back road/behind the airport, which raises some questions on their legal right to be selling the thing in the first place

Any advert immediately gets a number of ridiculous low ball offers for cash right now, the concept of a reasonable offer related to the asking price seems to not exist.

Even if you do turn up at the appointed meeting place, when you message the seller to find out where they are the reply is 'oh yeah sry m8, sld it ystrday'

There are probably some genuine sellers, but they seem to be vastly outnumbered by complete fuckwits, so sadly if you want to advertise to actual sane buyers trademe still seems the best option.

Yeah I have heard this also, my brother was selling a car on facebook and got fucked around multiple times, 20 times I believe he was told yup I'll buy it only to find they didn't show up or texted at the last minute. Still worth a crack, the english in some of the posts is hilarious to read regardless.

[Tazz]

the english in some of the posts is hilarious to read regardless.

Ahhh, so that's what language that is. Been struggling with that XD

[Waihou Thumper]

Heard on the radio they want to own the word 'me'
Consulting with lawyers as to intellectual property is Trade Me's

Therefore you cannot even own 'Fuck Me' as it implies all belongs to the mother ship.....
Sell me
Insure me
rent me etc etc.....

anyone owning sites with me at the end, look out.....:)
Apparently the guru's have done their homework. Surveyed people and anything with a me on the end of it is associated with Trade Me, so therefore they want 'me'

Well Fuck Me! :shit:

[Tazz]

Heard on the radio they want to own the word 'me'
Consulting with lawyers as to intellectual property is Trade Me's

Therefore you cannot even own 'Fuck Me' as it implies all belongs to the mother ship.....
Sell me
Insure me
rent me etc etc.....

anyone owning sites with me at the end, look out.....:)
Apparently the guru's have done their homework. Surveyed people and anything with a me on the end of it is associated with Trade Me, so therefore they want 'me'

Well Fuck Me! :shit:

Enforcing that would be near impossible. If they've got money to burn you could drag people through court over it but I highly doubt they would ever win.

[awa355]

So if I started a buy/sell type website titled www.gimme.co, I wonder if that would upset turd me. :eek5:

[neels]

Heard on the radio they want to own the word 'me'
Consulting with lawyers as to intellectual property is Trade Me's

Therefore you cannot even own 'Fuck Me' as it implies all belongs to the mother ship.....
Sell me
Insure me
rent me etc etc.....

anyone owning sites with me at the end, look out.....:)
Apparently the guru's have done their homework. Surveyed people and anything with a me on the end of it is associated with Trade Me, so therefore they want 'me'

Well Fuck Me! :shit:

They can start with the gummint and their RealMe.......can't see them winning that one, which would then either set a precedent for the rest, or create an exception that lawyers could use if someone could afford to argue the point.

[00quattro00]

www.tardme.co.nz

[mashman]

Is that with or without a capital M?

[Waihou Thumper]

Dear Jeremy,

We'd appreciate you shutting down tardme.co.nz at your earliest
convenience. This will help us to aviod us taking any legal action against
you.

Regards,

Nigel Stanford

Trade Me Support
================

http://www.trademe.co.nz (http://www.trademe.co.nz/)

[Erelyes]

Isn't obvious satire exempt from copyright/trademark law? I'd tell em to get fooked after checking my legal position

[Akzle]

"will help us to avoid harming you"

where do these people get
this language???

Like, go mug someone "giz your wallet cuz, that will help me to avoid stabbing you...."

[Voltaire]

Dear Jeremy,

We'd appreciate you shutting down tardme.co.nz at your earliest
convenience. This will help us to aviod us taking any legal action against
you.

Regards,

Nigel Stanford

Trade Me Support
================

http://www.trademe.co.nz (http://www.trademe.co.nz/)

You don't want Nigel turning up on your doorstep...
http://idealog.co.nz/media/images/issues/16/rubbermonkey.jpg

[5150]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/76109395/new-kiwi-auction-site-4tradeit-takes-on-trade-me-after-12-years-in-the-making

[rambaldi]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/76109395/new-kiwi-auction-site-4tradeit-takes-on-trade-me-after-12-years-in-the-making

90 day auctions? Fark that. Either that or stuff up to its usual reporting.

[Autech]

I may have just listed the 1st bike on there. Lets hope it takes off!
http://www.4tradeit.co.nz/category/1177/Sports/listings/40458/1988-VFR400.html


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[Akzle]

I may have just listed the 1st bike on there. Lets hope it takes off!
http://www.4tradeit.co.nz/category/1177/Sports/listings/40458/1988-VFR400.html


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their servers are FUUUUUCKEN slow. 499ms compares to trademes 79.

[skippa1]

their servers are FUUUUUCKEN slow. 499ms compares to trademes 79.
Theyre fucken slow all right, i gave up after getting error messages twice
cant be arsed with that

[Big Dog]

Yep. And that is why trademe still dominates.

Availability.

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[Autech]

their servers are FUUUUUCKEN slow. 499ms compares to trademes 79.

I imagine that right now they are slow due to publicity, had over 3000 online when I did my listing, took ages! They will need to buy up some more grunt though, can't fuck people around too much else they will go back to the extortionists.

[Waihou Thumper]

Will not catch on..I waited and waited then gave up, bit like most of the population...
Amazing that the publicity revolves around a phone call that we are challenging or somehow adding our little bit to the pot...
'Stuff' will do anything for a bit of leverage....

[Big Dog]

Research says if there is no engaging content in 4 seconds people go to another page. 5 years ago that was 12 seconds. PRE ADSL that was 2 minutes.


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[Nathan W.]

I'm the founder and GM of www.postanoteco.nz, and have responded earlier in this thread, and apologise ahead of time for mentioning our company's name. If anyone has any questions about what we are doing and how we are selling people's bikes, let me know nathan@postanote.co.nz.

Thanks for the support. The more bikes we have on the site, the better for all of us.

[Oakie]

I'm the founder and GM of www.postanote.co.nz,

Fixed that for you. Dont forgot the dots!

[Big Dog]

Fixed that for you. Dont forgot the dots!
This isn't trademe, no need to obfuscate links or emails...

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[Oakie]

This isn't trademe, no need to obfuscate links or emails...

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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obfuscate

...because I needed to look it up.