AA's Mike Noon does not represent me! neither as a motorist or a motorcyclist!

[caseye]

I'm revoking my AA membership as of now. Just watched the pompous prick tell Campbell Live that point to point cameras are a good idea and should be implemented here in NZ.
An instant ticket as you pass point B because you left point A at whatever time and arrived at point B in less time than the speed limit would allow.TICKET.
It's coming, so get over it, but while it ain't here I am happier than if it was and I am completely unhappy with the AA advocating such things.
OK, they/it also advocated for 110kph on stretches of road that meet requirements.
This of course will never happen.

[James Deuce]

The AA are an Insurance company with a magazine and some contractors who won't attend calls for bikes ever or cars outside of any metropolitan area.

They're just another disapproving crowd of wankers who don't actually enjoy riding or driving, just making money from people who have to.

[Ocean1]

An instant ticket as you pass point B because you left point A at whatever time and arrived at point B in less time than the speed limit would allow.TICKET.

Worse. You can pass 2 cameras well outside the time a legal speed would allow and STILL get a ticket because it's "unlikely" that you didn't speed.

We already have some rules that make you guilty until proven innocent, I have no intention of ever complying with any such, nor finding myself disadvantaged by their application.

Fuckem.


And that AA horse they rode in on.

[Drew]

Pretty fucken hard to average higher than the limit on most road riding. One gas stop and you go from a fucking optimistic 120kph average, to less than 100. Get better than 120 and ya need to stop more often.

We worked out once, that 140 on the straights is about tops to sit at without using too much gas. And even being a fast rider, 540km still took 6h15m. No pissing about stops, and the rider in question is fucken handy and intent on getting there asap.

[Kickaha]

One gas stop and you go from a fucking optimistic 120kph average, to less than 100. Get better than 120 and ya need to stop more often.

1600km ride, trying to sit on 120kmh as much as possible ended up with an average 82kmh

It's actually harder than most people think to average 100kmh

[James Deuce]

1600km ride, trying to sit on 120kmh as much as possible ended up with an average 82kmh

It's actually harder than most people think to average 100kmh

God, I'm happy to average 65. Feels like a nice trip instead of hard work.

[Drew]

1600km ride, trying to sit on 120kmh as much as possible ended up with an average 82kmh

It's actually harder than most people think to average 100kmh

I won't go into detail, but a gixxer thou with no plate can go 300k's in 2h30m. Fuel light on before the one quick gas stop, and again at the destination. Best the rider has ever managed, and very hard work.

I can't think of a normal trip that gets anywhere near 100kph average.

[Urano]

despite my disgusted view on speed enforcement, i have to say that PTP cameras are actually a good idea.
in italy we have it on about the 40% of highways and work fine.
i'd like it best if it would be effective on lack of safety distance, which i think it's the worst prob while traveling on highways.
in your situation i think it would be fine as well, even if it seems to me that your speed limit is way too... "conservative". 130kmh with 5% tolerance it's a good solution. i don't know what is your highways infrastructural level though...



Pretty fucken hard to average higher than the limit on most road riding. One gas stop and you go from a fucking optimistic 120kph average, to less than 100. Get better than 120 and ya need to stop more often.

when they unveiled the system i though "why the heck did they need all this costly stuff??"
we have toll p highways: you get a ticket when you enter (with time and position) and reaching the exit you'll pay for the distance. it would be much simpler to adjust the payment directly with the speed fine if the average result higher than normal.
i imagine that the reason could be the one you described. i travel fast, stop for gas or a coffe, back legal.

so they have dedicated portals few kms apart with no service station inbetween...

[Drew]

I don't speed on motorways and the like, but open road if conditions are right the needle creeps up. Essentially I'm not likely to get stung by this sort of thing.

[R650R]

1600km ride, trying to sit on 120kmh as much as possible ended up with an average 82kmh

It's actually harder than most people think to average 100kmh

Thats's obviously including a few fuel/ciggie stop and the associated flaffing about as even line haul trucks can average 81 and exceed it if speeding.
Hastings to Auckland is bang on 5 and half hours at 430ish km travelled if no stops made, running at 44 ton 600hp and nothing over 94kph cruise control.
81 kph avg is the magic number that trucking urban legend tales say is the fastest you can go before the CVIU ping you. Avg drops to 65ish point to point over same jouney if have to refuel or do couple quick deliveries.
I expect if cars/bikes were subject to such a system an arbitrary figure old be settled on.

The British ones were spaced five miles apart on the m4 motorway in Wales when first introduced.
Yes sounds hard to exceed but rolling on for a few swift overtakes and you'd quickly find yourself flagged in the higher speed group, throw in some temporary roadworks and...

These cams are coming well before the AA opened their mouth to give the govt a BJ. All those fancy new electronic signs on motorway and around nz are just waiting for the cams to be plugged in, software uploaded and all go.


I won't go into detail, but a gixxer thou with no plate can go 300k's in 2h30m. Fuel light on before the one quick gas stop, and again at the destination. Best the rider has ever managed, and very hard work.

I can't think of a normal trip that gets anywhere near 100kph average.

Stuck in 2nd gear was it....

[98tls]

I don't speed on motorways and the like, but open road if conditions are right the needle creeps up. Essentially I'm not likely to get stung by this sort of thing.

Dont have any motorways to speed on down here,would avoid em we did anyway i guess,best ridings over on the coast (West) annoyingly the quickest way to get there is turn off at Winchester and head North along the endless straights though for years ive dealt with them sitting on 160ish with never a problem.Fuck the AA though may possibly join when i am so old i cant be fucked changing a flat tyre.

[BMWST?]

Thats's obviously including a few fuel/ciggie stop and the associated flaffing about as even line haul trucks can average 81 and exceed it if speeding.
Hastings to Auckland is bang on 5 and half hours at 430ish km travelled if no stops made, running at 44 ton 600hp and nothing over 94kph cruise control.
81 kph avg is the magic number that trucking urban legend tales say is the fastest you can go before the CVIU ping you. Avg drops to 65ish point to point over same jouney if have to refuel or do couple quick deliveries.
I expect if cars/bikes were subject to such a system an arbitrary figure old be settled on.

The British ones were spaced five miles apart on the m4 motorway in Wales when first introduced.
Yes sounds hard to exceed but rolling on for a few swift overtakes and you'd quickly find yourself flagged in the higher speed group, throw in some temporary roadworks and...

These cams are coming well before the AA opened their mouth to give the govt a BJ. All those fancy new electronic signs on motorway and around nz are just waiting for the cams to be plugged in, software uploaded and all go.



Stuck in 2nd gear was it....

most cars and trucks can go hundreds of kilometres on a tank,most bikes will do about 200 prolly 300 max.1 fuel stop and your average is toast

[Drew]

most cars and trucks can go hundreds of kilometres on a tank,most bikes will do about 200 prolly 300 max.1 fuel stop and your average is toast

Can one stop it to Aukland from Wellington on the RF. Not if I wanna have any fun though.

[mossy1200]

Point to point will be on a long revenue earning straight about 5 km long and likely have a passing lane or 2 in it.

[russd7]

Pretty fucken hard to average higher than the limit on most road riding. One gas stop and you go from a fucking optimistic 120kph average, to less than 100. Get better than 120 and ya need to stop more often.

We worked out once, that 140 on the straights is about tops to sit at without using too much gas. And even being a fast rider, 540km still took 6h15m. No pissing about stops, and the rider in question is fucken handy and intent on getting there asap.

huh, 470 kms, left at 2.30am, arrived at destination bang on 7.00am, including fuel stops and smoke breaks, do able. (couple o year ago)
role off ferry at picton at 12.00am arrive morven south canterbury 4.00 am. including fuel stop do able. (quite few year ago)

but dead right, not sitting on 100km/hr or anything close to it. driving in car at 100km/hr with very few stops can only average 75km/hr over total trip from bottom of south to top of south

[Kickaha]

Thats's obviously including a few fuel/ciggie stop and the associated flaffing about..
No flaffing about at all, 160km fuel range so too many fuel stops, gas stops kill the average and there was probably at least an hour+ worth of stops in that trip, 19.5 hours overall

Used to average 106-110kmh Chch to Picton on a bike that'd do it in one hit but from memory you had to run about 140kmh (pre demerit era)

I doubt too many people have anything to worry about with with these cameras

[Gremlin]

I don't like the point to point cameras more than anyone else, but to justify the cost, I'm thinking you're going to find them on State Highways, motorways etc. How many stretches does NZ have where you can't get on and off the road? What have they already found out? SH1 gets busy so they tell motorists to use SH16. Crashes on SH16 rise... not sure they've managed to figure out how that occurred though :weird:

Mobile or gantry? If gantry, knowing which regions they operate in will make it easy, mobile, more tricky.

In terms of average speed they better set the limit at 100kph. Yes, averaging anywhere near that is hard work, but it can actually be done. SH1 running for 30-40km, doing a real 110kph max, yes, I can average 100-102kph. Longer distance, over 1620km I averaged 91.7 kph, including stops. No, it wasn't exactly legal as my moving average was 99kph but I probably hit a max speed of 150kph and nothing sustained over about 130kph (and that was at night).

Pretty much legal and including gravel and high country passes (Hakataramea Pass etc), I averaged 72.5kph over 25.5 hours...

So, in essence, yeah, long distances can be done legally at speeds probably higher than they anticipate.

[Paul in NZ]

I've led an interesting life - I've met and dealt with all sorts. I could never get a deal over the line with that lot - figured out the only reason they were talking to me was to steal my ideas and get someone else to build a cheap version of what I was proposing. Cancelled my membership a long time ago - about the time they waded into the ACC debate, they HATE motorcycles...

[BMWST?]

Can one stop it to Aukland from Wellington on the RF. Not if I wanna have any fun though.

There will be others too drew but not the norm is it? I did say MOST

[SPman]

I won't go into detail, but a gixxer thou with no plate can go 300k's in 2h30m. Fuel light on before the one quick gas stop, and again at the destination. Best the rider has ever managed, and very hard work.

I can't think of a normal trip that gets anywhere near 100kph average.I used to ALWAYS rely on a 100 kph average on trips. Didn't have to go much more than 140 odd and 800ks in 8 hrs was quite comfortable. I did do a 150 av Wanganui to Inglewood once, but, that was riding with Scott (Sensei).....and outside city limits was rather......hard work.
Don't know what it would be like over there now though, with the pedantic implementation of arbitrary speed limits.......

[haydes55]

Who's keen on copying the British system of dealing with speed cameras? Chuck a tire over it and light it on fire.

[avgas]

I won't go into detail, but a gixxer thou with no plate can go 300k's in 2h30m. Fuel light on before the one quick gas stop, and again at the destination. Best the rider has ever managed, and very hard work.

I can't think of a normal trip that gets anywhere near 100kph average.
In my yoof I had a few - but most were 50km or less.
Smaller bikes were easier than bigger bikes because you didn't have to slow as badly for corners, but you had to keep the throttle tapped. But keep in mind this was way before the current generation of superbikes. K1 and ZXR10 made the past generation of bikes seem massively heavy and clumsy.

Then I realized death was permanent. So I got old and rode much, much slower.......

[R650R]

most cars and trucks can go hundreds of kilometres on a tank,most bikes will do about 200 prolly 300 max.1 fuel stop and your average is toast

Just love it when someone from the internet quotes what you've just said and says it again like you didn't say it... oh the joys of English... :facepalm:


Who's keen on copying the British system of dealing with speed cameras? Chuck a tire over it and light it on fire.

Well no need to wait for orders from headquarters, you go first and well see if the idea takes off LOL Saw a bit of that in UK but don't think we'll ever have it in NZ as they are all mostly in populated areas, there's always someone watching these days just itching to earn brownie points with their cellphone, you'd prob be locked up after the first attempt.
There are other way to easily disable/destroy digital camera sensors but I'm not going to post that on a public forum when people can google that for themselves.



Don't know what it would be like over there now though, with the pedantic implementation of arbitrary speed limits.......

Yes we are a growing nation, expect more roadworks that go on for long time and no aternative route available. As an example when they realigned mercer double lanes and put the barriers in etc, that 80k speed limit was there for ages. There's a lot of 'reformed bikers' on here but who did exactly 80k through there day after day...

Whats more of a worry than a potential ticket is the data mining by these systems will show if your in the higher percentile speed group. Eg you may be clever and not get a ticket but I suspect with so many drivers unable to maintain a constant speed that being a 'quick but legal' rider/driver will show up on system and prob get more police attention when stopped.

[slofox]

It's actually harder than most people think to average 100kmh

But not impossible...:whistle:

[Berries]

Used to average 106-110kmh Chch to Picton on a bike that'd do it in one hit but from memory you had to run about 140kmh (pre demerit era)

I doubt too many people have anything to worry about with with these cameras
Yes, but they aren't going to stick a camera in Christchurch and one in Picton to catch the one or two people who might average 106km/h over that distance, they'll leave that to a patrol to get them at 140km/h somewhere in-between. Far more likely that the cameras will be two or three km apart on a nice straight bit of road with no intersections where the risk of a crash is relatively low but the risk of exceeding the speed limit is high. Alternatively they could put them at each end of some great roads with flowing corners - the Cromwell Gorge would be a good example where a camera at Clyde and one at the bridge would stop anyone beating their previous personal best. No doubt it would reduce overtaking as well and, I hate to say it, is probably a good enforcement tool because it is all automated and TPTB could consider that road now 'sorted' as far as speeding is concerned. Obviously they will need to sign these bits of road otherwise it is not a deterrent, a ticket out of the blue two weeks after the event is revenue gathering. The response to that will probably be that they aren't going to be signed because they want people to think that any road could be covered and thus reduce their speed everywhere.

Luckily I can't see these cameras working on the tighter roads where fun is had below 100km/h.

Considering that all you people with smart phones and bluetooth switched on are now having your MAC addresses harvested as you ride along Big brother is out there (http://nzta.govt.nz/about/newsletters/keeping-connected/3003/news.html) I would be much more concerned about a quick signature on a piece of legislation which allows this to be used for enforcement. You know, a reading of 130km/h sends your GPS location to the nearest police patrol.

I wrap mine in tin foil just in case.

[willytheekid]

:laugh:

...what ever!:bleh:

...hope there new toys ain't to expensive!...would be such a bloody shame if they kept going missing in the middle of the night, or if they suddenly started to suffer from odd electrical & Software faults over & over again :shifty:

The popo wanna play wiv tech to increase revenue and let it do the work for them?....:laugh:....BRING IT!! :p....but best they remember, there are MUCH bigger & smarter fish in the world of tech...and they just fucking LOVE new technology that's built on a budget, and thrown into the real world to screw people over!, that makes the tech fair game for ethical hacking!.....so let the police start a little tech war!...I sure as shit know who MY moneys on :laugh:

http://hackaday.com/2014/04/04/sql-injection-fools-speed-traps-and-clears-your-record/

http://hackaday.com/2012/10/23/traffic-camera-countermeasure/

http://dangerousprototypes.com/2011/06/06/ir-led-speed-camera-license-plate-blocker/

http://lifehacker.com/5901686/never-get-a-red-light-camera-ticket-again-with-this-gps-hack


:yes:as I said...BRING IT ON!...hackers paradise soon, no REAL cops on the roads, and just some kiddy scripts to run to unlock unlimited fun!
...don't see the limitations folks...just focus on the HUGE BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS holes in there plan...and expand them & Share the Knowledge so others can break there BS revenue collection systems :niceone:

ps...cool tech!:drool: (To cheer everyone up :D)
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/10416418/Hoverbike-reaches-new-heights



“Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.” ...Gandhi...had to be a biker!:yes:

[FJRider]

1 fuel stop and your average is toast

Chuck in a few 45 km/hr (or less) corners ... and the toast arrives before the fuel stop.

[FJRider]

I doubt too many people have anything to worry about with with these cameras



If it is solely based on a simple point to point distance/time (eg: 100 km/less than one hour) those that do get caught ... probably deserve it. (I wonder if they will include the tolerance :innocent:)



The worrying part is if they base it on the "Travel Time" listed ... between various towns/cities on most road maps and various travel publications.

Most motorcyclists ... on even the smaller machines should still easily better those quoted times.

[FJRider]

In terms of average speed they better set the limit at 100kph. Yes, averaging anywhere near that is hard work, but it can actually be done. SH1 running for 30-40km, doing a real 110kph max, yes, I can average 100-102kph. Longer distance, over 1620km I averaged 91.7 kph, including stops. No, it wasn't exactly legal as my moving average was 99kph but I probably hit a max speed of 150kph and nothing sustained over about 130kph (and that was at night).

Those stops for fuel/pee might be the difference between a fine/loss of license ... or neither.


So, in essence, yeah, long distances can be done legally at speeds probably higher than they anticipate.

The real critical factor will be the distance between the cameras ...

[bluninja]

I used to ALWAYS rely on a 100 kph average on trips. Didn't have to go much more than 140 odd and 800ks in 8 hrs was quite comfortable. I did do a 150 av Wanganui to Inglewood once, but, that was riding with Scott (Sensei).....and outside city limits was rather......hard work.
Don't know what it would be like over there now though, with the pedantic implementation of arbitrary speed limits.......

Inglewood to Wanganui is easy for a 90 minute run....just be conservative on the straights and passing lanes and have fun on the twisty bits.

[R650R]

:laugh:

The popo wanna play wiv tech to increase revenue and let it do the work for them?....:laugh:....BRING IT!! :p....but best they remember, there are MUCH bigger & smarter fish in the world of tech...and they just fucking LOVE new technology that's built on a budget, and thrown into the real world to screw people over!, that makes the tech fair game for ethical hacking!.....so let the police start a little tech war!...I sure as shit know who MY moneys on :laugh:

:yes:as I said...BRING IT ON!...hackers paradise soon, no REAL cops on the roads, and just some kiddy scripts to run to unlock unlimited fun!
...don't see the limitations folks...just focus on the HUGE BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS holes in there plan...and expand them & Share the Knowledge so others can break there BS revenue collection systems :niceone:



Interesting but couple of things.
The flash sync over exposure thing, stuff like that is clever until... you realise all the following traffic will see a massive flash/light source eminate from your vehicle. And if there's not any cops in traffic stream then someone with cellphone will nab you.

The IR thing is clever except it will show up on every cctv camera in town unless only activating on traffic camera.

And with both systems it would be pretty hard to cleanly install without being detected at WOF or checkpoints. I'm sure the cops would soon step up checks on stuff like that if the tech war goes past lawn mover choke cables and springs on number plates :)

With the new digital cameras I suspect they would bracket there exposures if the camera detects a problem and if not a simple firmware upgrade would enable that. There is also often plenty of spill light from other sources that even at night still allows IR cameras to get an image with out extra illumination. Then if the manufacturers use a RAW file format for the image capture there is significant exposure leeway there also.
All fun to theorise about but its all moving faster than we think.
Soon our cellphones will be our defacto ID cards/licenses whether we like it or not. The Govt will mandate that we carry our cellphones and that they be switched on at all times. Any person who doesn't have their phone on them or in a vehicle will be deemed a terrorist/criminal/fugitive and trigger an alert to stop and search.
Anyway the system will just read your cellphone id as you pass the traffic cam and prob autobill you.
A new phone app has been trialled by NZ trucking companies as an electronic logbook, once that has been accepted by industry and law enforcement fully (within two years I reckon) all motorists will be forced to have a similar app without the worktime restrictions obviously but all the location and speed data.
There will be an outcry but they'll say you have nothing to worry about unless you speed etc...

[shards]

The worrying part is if they base it on the "Travel Time" listed ... between various towns/cities on most road maps and various travel publications.

Most motorcyclists ... on even the smaller machines should still easily better those quoted times.

That's exactly what they will do! How else are they going to make enough $$ to make this work.

[pritch]

Point to point will be on a long revenue earning straight about 5 km long and likely have a passing lane or 2 in it.

I think this is more like it. They won't have one in New Plymouth and another one in Auckland. They may well have them on the motorways in and out of Auckland and Wellington. Expect them to appear on long straights with no exits between the cameras.

Some people like to travel so as to average 2ks per minute. Obviously this doesn't include coffee or fuel stops. On one memorable day on the West Coast I spotted a group of Ducati riders partaking of their Tourismo and who apparently had rather higher ambition than 2 ks per minute. :whistle:

Then again I wouldn't expect to be seeing these cameras around Bruce Bay or Franz Joseph.

[Berries]

If it is solely based on a simple point to point distance/time (eg: 100 km/less than one hour) those that do get caught ... probably deserve it. (I wonder if they will include the tolerance :innocent:)
As said elsewhere, it will more likely be two cameras 2km apart and if you hit them less than 3.46 minutes apart or whatever you get a ticket. If you never speed you will be alright. And a liar.


The worrying part is if they base it on the "Travel Time" listed ... between various towns/cities on most road maps and various travel publications.

Most motorcyclists ... on even the smaller machines should still easily better those quoted times.
Most car drivers will beat those times without exceeding the speed limit once, being based on 80km/h and allowing rest stops every two hours etc etc. What you are suggesting is people being issued with tickets for speeding when they have not exceeded the speed limit based on a vague estimate of time made up by someone many years ago, probably on the back of a fag packet. Not entirely clear how that would work (in an ideal uncorrupted world).

Next people will be starting rumours about the Police enforcing advisory speeds on corners.

[FJRider]

As said elsewhere, it will more likely be two cameras 2km apart and if you hit them less than 3.46 minutes apart or whatever you get a ticket. If you never speed you will be alright. And a liar.

Plate recognition cameras will be the big game changer .. no human involvement in the process. Between cameras anywhere. Regardless of distance. The computer logs the initial "sighting" ... and later "sighting(s)" ... and then you "Get Mail" ...


Next people will be starting rumours about the Police enforcing advisory speeds on corners.

With increasing numbers of motorists that crash after "Losing control on corners" ... a minor change in legislation is all that's needed to initiate such enforcement.

Already ... exceeding advised corner speed is mentioned in/after Police investigations following accidents on corners. Reckless/dangerous driving charges can arise from such.

[Berries]

.. a minor change in legislation is all that's needed to initiate such enforcement.
You would need to survey every signed corner in the country before that could happen. You can't be fining people and giving them demerit points based on the fact that Fat Bob only had a 55 sign sitting in the yard when he was asked for a 65 on a curve that was actually measured as borderline 75. Proper speed limits go through a process that is a little bit more involved than that.

[FJRider]

You would need to survey every signed corner in the country before that could happen. You can't be fining people and giving them demerit points based on the fact that Fat Bob only had a 55 sign sitting in the yard when he was asked for a 65 on a curve that was actually measured as borderline 75. Proper speed limits go through a process that is a little bit more involved than that.

But ... you CAN be fined for exceeding a posted speed limit.

The creation of new speed zones to include "Dangerous" roads ... is actually not that difficult.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/speed-limits/speed-limits-nz/speed-limits-nz.html

All in the interest of Public Safety ... of course ... :pinch:

[MVnut]

Yep 100k is hard to average....did 4200k in Europe with no main roads averaged 89.8k, plenty fun though

[Berries]

But ... you CAN be fined for exceeding a posted speed limit.
A posted speed limit and an advisory speed are two entirely different things. You cannot be fined for exceeding an advisory speed. Something to do with the word 'advisory' I believe.

[Ocean1]

Something to do with the word 'advisory' I believe.

And really, can we be blamed for failing to take bad advice?

[jellywrestler]

Pretty fucken hard to average higher than the limit on most road riding. One gas stop and you go from a fucking optimistic 120kph average, to less than 100. Get better than 120 and ya need to stop more often.

We worked out once, that 140 on the straights is about tops to sit at without using too much gas. And even being a fast rider, 540km still took 6h15m. No pissing about stops, and the rider in question is fucken handy and intent on getting there asap.

they won't be doing it from here to levin, it will be things like a two kilometer part of a straight road, simple and sensible that way

[R650R]

Here is the system that was already in use in UK when I was there. Surprised the website hasn't been updated or maybe its a different contractor but there is also a system that plugs into the electronic motorway signs. you know the ones they just spent 15 million on few years back to impart great wisdom such as "winter driving conditions" "delays ahead"....
Its only a matter of how much the govt wants to invest in it...

http://www.vysionics.com/Permanent-Specs/

As for surveying corners, they already are. The advisory speeds signs were derived from an inspector travelling in a morris minor 1100 with some kind of table and golf ball arrangement on dash board. The advisory speed is one which at or below the ball doesn't roll. There are a few that probably have been randomly interfered with by local authorities/transit subject to changes.

They were threatening trucks with enforcement awhile back as they are supposed to travel 10k below the posted recommendation. They are mapped on Eroad GPS systems too and have heard of guys on permits being told off for exceeding.

[Berries]

As for surveying corners, they already are.
I know, I do them which is why I know how vague they are and how they cannot be enforced. This is what I use, I think Barnes Wallis was involved in the design -

[nosebleed]

...A new phone app has been trialled by NZ trucking companies as an electronic logbook...

Do you have any links or hookups in regard to this App.

As a utility maintenance contractor we run a large fleet of vehicles some of which fall within NZTA heavy vehicle guidelines.
Because we are responsible for a workforce maintaining a High Voltage network we also need run our own fatigue management structure.
Being a purely manual process the overlap on the two policies is cumbersome.

I'm quite interested to see if this App can assist us, or at least shed some light on simplifying our issue


Thanks

[R650R]

Do you have any links or hookups in regard to this App.

As a utility maintenance contractor we run a large fleet of vehicles some of which fall within NZTA heavy vehicle guidelines.
Because we are responsible for a workforce maintaining a High Voltage network we also need run our own fatigue management structure.
Being a purely manual process the overlap on the two policies is cumbersome.

I'm quite interested to see if this App can assist us, or at least shed some light on simplifying our issue


Thanks

Was in July issue of Diesel Talk a small publication by automedia group.
The system is made by Eroad who are also one of the major GPS electronic RUC system providers.
Google driver 2.0 app should bring it up.
Just re read and been approved already by LTSA and cops.

Be aware that once this technology is implemented to ensure you meet all your obligations under chain of responsibility as its like having a policeman in the cab taking notes.

[SPman]

The advisory speeds signs were derived from an inspector travelling in a morris minor 1100 with some kind of table and golf ball arrangement on dash board I imagined more...fanging an Austin A40 Somerset........the advisory is the speed they fall off the road......

[HenryDorsetCase]

1600km ride, trying to sit on 120kmh as much as possible ended up with an average 82kmh

It's actually harder than most people think to average 100kmh

I was reading about a trip the length of the UK (its 1600k I think) and a guy had extra fuel tanks, and a catheter. Fuck everything about that.

[buggerit]

I'm revoking my AA membership as of now. Just watched the pompous prick tell Campbell Live that point to point cameras are a good idea and should be implemented here in NZ.
An instant ticket as you pass point B because you left point A at whatever time and arrived at point B in less time than the speed limit would allow.TICKET.
It's coming, so get over it, but while it ain't here I am happier than if it was and I am completely unhappy with the AA advocating such things.
OK, they/it also advocated for 110kph on stretches of road that meet requirements.
This of course will never happen.

Some cunts have a way of sucking the enjoyment out of life dont they, may his chooks turn into emus and kick his shithouse down:devil2:

[bluninja]

I was reading about a trip the length of the UK (its 1600k I think) and a guy had extra fuel tanks, and a catheter. Fuck everything about that.

I would ask why? I mean it's only 3 refuel stops. Used to do Glasgow to Portsmouth by car (800k) in 7.5 hours by car and with 2 drop offs of mates on the way down. European roads are easy for higher averages, you go fast just to reduce the time you are bored travelling straight(ish).

Commute to work was 105k, normally 75 minutes.....best 42 minutes (M25 empty!!, A3 empty!)

[Scouse]

I'm revoking my AA membership as of now. Just watched the pompous prick tell Campbell Live that point to point cameras are a good idea and should be implemented here in NZ.
An instant ticket as you pass point B because you left point A at whatever time and arrived at point B in less time than the speed limit would allow.TICKET.
It's coming, so get over it, but while it ain't here I am happier than if it was and I am completely unhappy with the AA advocating such things.
OK, they/it also advocated for 110kph on stretches of road that meet requirements.
This of course will never happen.Yup he is a cunt but AA Have long ago forgotten about who their members are

[G4L4XY]

The twisties are where the most fun is had. And one isn't likely to average more than 100kmp/h unless you're super duper talented.

[rastuscat]

That's exactly what they will do! How else are they going to make enough $$ to make this work.

Same tired old argument.

[Pixie]

Yes, but they aren't going to stick a camera in Christchurch and one in Picton to catch the one or two people who might average 106km/h over that distance, they'll leave that to a patrol to get them at 140km/h somewhere in-between. Far more likely that the cameras will be two or three km apart on a nice straight bit of road with no intersections where the risk of a crash is relatively low but the risk of exceeding the speed limit is high. Alternatively they could put them at each end of some great roads with flowing corners - the Cromwell Gorge would be a good example where a camera at Clyde and one at the bridge would stop anyone beating their previous personal best. No doubt it would reduce overtaking as well and, I hate to say it, is probably a good enforcement tool because it is all automated and TPTB could consider that road now 'sorted' as far as speeding is concerned. Obviously they will need to sign these bits of road otherwise it is not a deterrent, a ticket out of the blue two weeks after the event is revenue gathering. The response to that will probably be that they aren't going to be signed because they want people to think that any road could be covered and thus reduce their speed everywhere.

Luckily I can't see these cameras working on the tighter roads where fun is had below 100km/h.

Considering that all you people with smart phones and bluetooth switched on are now having your MAC addresses harvested as you ride along Big brother is out there (http://nzta.govt.nz/about/newsletters/keeping-connected/3003/news.html) I would be much more concerned about a quick signature on a piece of legislation which allows this to be used for enforcement. You know, a reading of 130km/h sends your GPS location to the nearest police patrol.

I wrap mine in tin foil just in case.

I doubt they will be installed in rural areas.Too likely they will be damaged by supersonic lead particles.