New PR4s?

[scooter]

Need to update the treads on the 'Busa......keep looking at all the suitable choices but keep coming back to the new PR4's......has anybody been using them on a similar sized bike...? Cheers.....

[p.dath]

Either that or a PP3.

[Big Dog]

I am also interested to hear from a rider who has them instead of a salesperson.
For my given application PPx would be me handing over all my disposable income every 60 -90 days.


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[Blackbird]

I am also interested to hear from a rider who has them instead of a salesperson.
For my given application PPx would be me handing over all my disposable income every 60 -90 days.


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Several co-riders in IAM with litre plus bikes including heavier sports tourers have them and swear by them. I think all of the riders came from PR3's which must be a compliment to the development of these tyres. I think the sports tourers all have PR4 GT's but it would pay to check on the Michelin website about the CB1300 as the "ordinary" PR4's will probably be ok.

I have a Street Triple which is of course much lighter than yours but I've had 2 sets of PR 3's which have lasted for around 14000 km rear and 17000 km front. Now on PR 4's which have done around 4000 km. Exceedingly pleased with them - the front feels slightly more planted than the 3, but that's not to say theat the 3 front was a bad tyre because it wasn't.

You probably won't get much hard data in NZ at this stage as they are a recent import. Drury Performance Centre told me I was the first customer to buy them about 2 months ago.

[caspernz]

Need to update the treads on the 'Busa......keep looking at all the suitable choices but keep coming back to the new PR4's......has anybody been using them on a similar sized bike...? Cheers.....

Yep, set of PR4s on a 2013 Busa here. OEM BT015 done in about 5000 clicks, then Bridgestone S20 gone in just under 5000 clicks.

Thought about going either Pilot Power 3 or Pilot Road 4, yeah I like my Michelins...so Pilot Road 4s do rather nicely on a Busa, and that includes wet weather. No idea how long they'll last as yet though.

[pritch]

Haven't used Michelin much and certainly not this century, but have been contemplating buying PR4s when my current Dunlop Road Smarts need replacing.

Apart from all the nice things BIKE magazine said about the PR3s, they did mention that there was a question about the life of the tyres. There wasn't a definite statement that there was a problem, more that there were indications that there could be a problem.

IIRC they considered that the PR4s had been introduced to elimiinate any problem in that regard.

[SPman]

We've got PR3s on the XJR and the rear of the FZ1 (PP3 on the front - the wife loves it) We're going PR4s at replacement time...

[caspernz]

Haven't used Michelin much and certainly not this century, but have been contemplating buying PR4s when my current Dunlop Road Smarts need replacing.

Apart from all the nice things BIKE magazine said about the PR3s, they did mention that there was a question about the life of the tyres. There wasn't a definite statement that there was a problem, more that there were indications that there could be a problem.

IIRC they considered that the PR4s had been introduced to elimiinate any problem in that regard.

Yep, personal experience showed PR3 would get only about 2/3 the kms the PR2 would get on the same (previous) bike.

[Big Dog]

Several co-riders in IAM with litre plus bikes including heavier sports tourers have them and swear by them. I think all of the riders came from PR3's which must be a compliment to the development of these tyres. I think the sports tourers all have PR4 GT's but it would pay to check on the Michelin website about the CB1300 as the "ordinary" PR4's will probably be ok.

I have a Street Triple which is of course much lighter than yours but I've had 2 sets of PR 3's which have lasted for around 14000 km rear and 17000 km front. Now on PR 4's which have done around 4000 km. Exceedingly pleased with them - the front feels slightly more planted than the 3, but that's not to say theat the 3 front was a bad tyre because it wasn't.

You probably won't get much hard data in NZ at this stage as they are a recent import. Drury Performance Centre told me I was the first customer to buy them about 2 months ago.

Colour me silly, but what is IAM?


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[nzspokes]

Colour me silly, but what is IAM?


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International Association of Motorists.

Advanced rider training pretty much.

[Big Dog]

Makes sense.
Acronyms rarely do before they are explained.


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[Hitcher]

If price is a consideration, then the GT version of the Bridgestone T30s will be hard to beat.

I can't believe that I've become a fanboy for Bridgestones. Mrs H is about to put a set on her GSF650S.

[Ocean1]

Yep, personal experience showed PR3 would get only about 2/3 the kms the PR2 would get on the same (previous) bike.

Mine's looking similar, perhaps not that bad but certainly not quite the wear I had from PR2s. Better in the wet but not quite as forgiving in the dry. Good tyre but given the choice I'd rather have stuck with PR2s.

And it looks like I'll manage my usual trick, I'm arse up busy for two months and then out of town for a month, so I won't be putting many more miles on the current tyres. Which means I'll have maybe 4-5k of tyre left to take down south late November. Do I change 'em before I go or try to organise a change on the trip?...

[Gremlin]

International Association of Motorists.

Advanced rider training pretty much.
Uh... Institute of Advanced Motorists actually.

http://www.nz-iam.org.nz/ (New website to be launched in a few days).

[Big Dog]

If price is a consideration, then the GT version of the Bridgestone T30s will be hard to beat.

I can't believe that I've become a fanboy for Bridgestones. Mrs H is about to put a set on her GSF650S.

Worth noting, with the possible exception of the salesperson recommending them, everyone who has voices an opinion had either flat pun said T30s suck in the wet or hinted they they were a fair weather tyre.
I note that I have been unable l find a favourable review that includes comments about wet handling. All the favourable reviews state that it did not rain during extended or road tests.
Perhaps the journalists don't want to put into print what so many amateurs are happy to say?

I am trying to decide in the next set if shoes for my lady. Based on price I was heavily in favour of the bridgestones. Post google: either Michelin are very good at promoting their product through social media or the PR4s really are the better choice.
Cycletreads recommendation was to PR4 the back but save some money with a PR2 at the front.
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[p.dath]

I am also interested to hear from a rider who has them instead of a salesperson.
For my given application PPx would be me handing over all my disposable income every 60 -90 days.


That is not such a straight forward answer as you might think. The PP3 has a much stronger carcass than a PR4. The stronger carcass wont distort as much under higher power, and the PP3 wont shear off rubber as easily in the same circumstances.

I'm guessing the PR4 will last longer if you go easy on the throttle, and the PP3 will last longer if you like applying a lot of power.

[nzspokes]

Worth noting, with the possible exception of the salesperson recommending them, everyone who has voices an opinion had either flat pun said T30s suck in the wet or hinted they they were a fair weather tyre.
I note that I have been unable l find a favourable review that includes comments about wet handling. All the favourable reviews state that it did not rain during extended or road tests.
Perhaps the journalists don't want to put into print what so many amateurs are happy to say?

I am trying to decide in the next set if shoes for my lady. Based on price I was heavily in favour of the bridgestones. Post google: either Michelin are very good at promoting their product through social media or the PR4s really are the better choice.
Cycletreads recommendation was to PR4 the back but save some money with a PR2 at the front.
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Well Treads push Michy as they are the NZ agent for them.

Journalists approve of whoever is advertising in there magazines.

What about some Pilot Roads? Cheap and last well. Not a race tyre but your commuting.

[nzspokes]

That is not such a straight forward answer as you might think. The PP3 has a much stronger carcass than a PR4. The stronger carcass wont distort as much under higher power, and the PP3 wont shear off rubber as easily in the same circumstances.

I'm guessing the PR4 will last longer if you go easy on the throttle, and the PP3 will last longer if you like applying a lot of power.

Oh dear. :facepalm:

[Big Dog]

I'd say the CB1300 is more of a serving of torque than power, while I like to hustle corners as much as the next fella, 80% of my current riding is southern motorway.


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[caspernz]

If it's just safe clicks in mixed conditions you're after, PR4 or T30 will have you covered. Unless you're into pushing the boundaries either tyre will look after your hide. My choice is PR4 for the application you mentioned, but yeah like yourself I've yet to hear rave reviews on the T30 regarding its wet weather behaviour...

[Big Dog]

And that is the rub, about half of the next 12,000 will be in wet or cold conditions. Be different equation in December.


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[caspernz]

And that is the rub, about half of the next 12,000 will be in wet or cold conditions. Be different equation in December.


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Sounds like you're gonna buy a set of PR4s to me :niceone:

[Hitcher]

I've yet to hear rave reviews on the T30 regarding its wet weather behaviour...

T30s are pretty good in the wet. No ambiguousness entering or leaving corners and good under hard braking. I'd rate them on a par with the Road Attack 2, which has been my Gold Standard sports touring tyre for some time. At $80 a set (fitted) cheaper than the RA2s, I'll be sticking with the T30s until the price gap closes.

Mrs H is exiting a set of PR3s on her Bandit. She's never raved about them, and the rear has squared off to buggery -- more so than is usual with other makes she's used. Her Gold Standard was the Avon Storm, but Avon stuffed that when they replaced the Storm with the Storm 2.

[Trade_nancy]

I just had a rear PR4-GT fitted to my Sprint GT and have about 300km on it. Had a very wet ride on slippery Dannevirke/Norsewood/Matamau back roads on Sunday as the scrub in ride. Lots of slippery roads. Rear felt planted. I'm happy. I had PR1, PR2 and back to PR1 previously.
Now the PR4-GT. Best of the bunch for feel.
Got 16k ks from the rear PR(1 and 2). I Have a PR3 on front and it is a disappointment..wearing on the usual triangle about 4k ks earlier than the PR(1) front did.
PR4-GT was $359 and $28 to fit to wheel.

[The Reibz]

It cost less than 450 fitted for my PP3's. So far they are alright, haven't done a decent tour on them yet to see if they last.
PP3's or PR4's are the only mitchellin tires they recommend for busas. Yanks only seem to run shinkos or Mickey Thompsons on theirs.

[Big Dog]

T30s are pretty good in the wet. No ambiguousness entering or leaving corners and good under hard braking. I'd rate them on a par with the Road Attack 2, which has been my Gold Standard sports touring tyre for some time. At $80 a set (fitted) cheaper than the RA2s, I'll be sticking with the T30s until the price gap closes.

Mrs H is exiting a set of PR3s on her Bandit. She's never raved about them, and the rear has squared off to buggery -- more so than is usual with other makes she's used. Her Gold Standard was the Avon Storm, but Avon stuffed that when they replaced the Storm with the Storm 2.

Dammit.
There goes the simple maths.

What is the mileage looking like for the T30s?


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[Hitcher]

What is the mileage looking like for the T30s?

My first set produced similar wear life as the RA2s. I haven't run the GT version of the T30s, as I don't have a GT kind of ride anymore.

[Big Dog]

My first set produced similar wear life as the RA2s. I haven't run the GT version of the T30s, as I don't have a GT kind of ride anymore.

So about 12k for a rear?


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[Hitcher]

So about 12k for a rear?

Yes indeed. Not too shabby at all really.

[Big Dog]

So I need 2 sets a year.
They need to be 20% cheaper than PR2 or PR4. Current PR2 rear is squarer than I'd like but with plenty of tread at 14,000, previous owner said about 1,000 already on. I'd guess closer to 2,000 or two up sporty riding.

Thank you for that. Gives a lot of perspective on the relative cost benefit comparison.


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[Ribit]

Ive been running T30's on the CBR600 for the last 14000kms. The rear is down to the indicators in the center. Mind you there has been some 'outstanding' speeds done on it which probably encouraged the wear in the center. the front in down to the indicators on the sides. I'm pretty religious about keeping the pressures correct at the factory recomendations (36f, 42r)
I found found them to be good. -confidence inspiring. No complaints except for wet tar bleed. I had a few twitch's when hitting that stuff. Are all tyres like that tho?

Ive been considering PR4's but I'm thinking of trying out the pirelli angel gt's next. Best price ive got is $550 fitted at Rowes avondale. Any comments on the latest angels?

[Hitcher]

I have yet to meet a tyre that wasn't agitated when meeting hot tar patches, particularly in corners.

[Big Dog]

I have yet to meet a tyre that wasn't agitated when meeting hot tar patches, particularly in corners.

Battlax BT 20s.
At least they rocked in 2000-04 on the gsx1100f. Tar never upset those puppies.

On the other hand the sides wore out 30% faster than the middle. Kept ending up triangular. Plenty of life in the middle Down past the indicators on the sides.

There was a tread change somewhere between the first and second set I had on the Hayabusa. About 05? From then on it was like trying to ride around on ice when you hit tar bleed.


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[Big Dog]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/169719-1200km-review-Bridgestone-T30F-GT-s?p=1130774661#post1130774661