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Gremlin
6th September 2014, 22:54
So there’s been a few posts, some hints, a lot of procrastination *cough* I mean, jobs with higher priority but ultimately I’ve wanted to play with some vinyl wrap for at least a couple of years. The GSA has a couple of metal panels, one each side of the fuel tank in silver. The silver doesn’t really suit the area with the black and green around it, and through a couple of years of contact with my knees it was starting to discolour. Vinyl was an easy and non-permanent way to try changing it up and if I didn’t like it, I could remove it. Just remember that vinyl has a lifespan, usually around 3-5 years and varies with product.

A few weekends ago, the weather is forecast to be crap so I decide early afternoon Friday that I should have a crack. The only problem is there is zero time to organise vinyl but I knew my boss had some 3M carbon fibre vinyl lying around so I stole some of that and a squeegee.

Vinyl is something most can play with, and it mostly consists of patience and experience. Your first few forays may be a little clumsy, so try for something easier as your first attempt(s). It’s only when you taken a crack at some vinyl you start to have an appreciation for a simple looking panel, yet it isn’t flat in any direction and somehow you have to account for all the curves.

How you deal with the curves and the application will vary with the material you’re working with, but Youtube has some good videos with a 3M professional explaining some tricks and techniques. Vinyl has come a long way and now has channels for air to escape, can stretch and shrink and be re-applied. Carbon fibre is one of the harder materials, being a stiffer material that won’t stretch like the simpler ones. You also need to be careful with it, like gloss and other special finishes not to overheat, otherwise you ruin the finish of the material.

My first foray was with clear protection film. This was easier, cut the shape, soapy water between panel and film and work it until you’ve pushed the water out and the film is adhering to the surface. Then give it 24 hours to set. The first thing I learnt with the carbon one was that the soapy water wasn’t completely necessary unless you needed to move it around, as it wasn’t particularly in the bonding mood with the panel.

Being the middle of winter, the metal panel was cold and the vinyl needed heat to start bonding. The initial attempt to work the material onto the panel with just the squeegee failed as the vinyl lifted immediately and wasn’t conforming to the panel either, which had a convex curve horizontally and vertically (so the 4 corners would need work as the vinyl would bunch). With the approach clearly not working I turned to the heat gun (way more useful than hair driers) and with it set to gentle heat I warmed the vinyl and panel.

This started to yield results, but as mentioned initially, don’t overheat the vinyl. You can overstretch the vinyl, distorting the finish or ripping/tearing the vinyl, or burn the finish. More work and the vinyl started to take the shape of the panel. This is where patience comes in and since I wasn’t in a hurry, the first panel took at least half a day.

When the vinyl cooled it was stiff, but if you had worked it enough and it had taken the new shape then it cooled in that new shape. If you hadn’t worked it enough, it would start to lift and retract to its former shape… and you started working it again. Getting to corners and edges, you need to overcut the vinyl by at least 10mm, if not 25mm, to give it good grip on the other side and to avoid lifting. Practise will tell you how to cut and fold over corners to get the best result, but remember that once you’ve cut something off, you can’t put it back :D

Generally, you want to use as few pieces as possible for a nice finish - my panels for example were definitely one piece – but if the vinyl can’t stretch as required then additional pieces may be needed.

The one issue with my panels was the imprinted GS logo. My boss suggested I start there, pushing the vinyl in and then working out, but I felt it would distort the vinyl too much elsewhere. I started in the centre and worked out to the edges, and tried pressing the vinyl into the GS, but when the vinyl cooled, it would shrink and lie flat across it instead. You can see the GS slightly in the photo, but I’m not too bothered. If I’d used a more flexible vinyl, then I think I wouldn’t have had any problems.

I left the panels in the warmth of the house for at least 24 hours to allow the vinyl to bond to the panel and as a first attempt with vinyl I’m pretty happy with the result.

mossy1200
6th September 2014, 23:05
Nice work.

You can come and do my bike bits.

Gremlin
6th September 2014, 23:11
Nice work.

You can come and do my bike bits.
Cheers, and at my current pace it would be in a couple of years. It gives you a whole new appreciation for wrapping when you have flat fabric but a curvy panel. Add all the nooks and crannies and suddenly a simple job is much more complex.

Still, I'm not looking at them and seeing every defect, so I must have done alright...

mossy1200
6th September 2014, 23:15
Cheers, and at my current pace it would be in a couple of years. It gives you a whole new appreciation for wrapping when you have flat fabric but a curvy panel. Add all the nooks and crannies and suddenly a simple job is much more complex.

Still, I'm not looking at them and seeing every defect, so I must have done alright...

I think the best method is hang the vinyl from a string line like a piece of clothing.
Turn 4 heaters on it the room.
Come back 30 mins later and throw the bike parts at the vinyl with a vigorous arm action.

DONE

Gremlin
6th September 2014, 23:19
Let me know how it works out for ya :laugh:

You'd need a lot of ambient heat to beat the concentrated heat, then hope it's not so soft it stretches under gravity... Provided you have the time, it's actually enjoyable, kinda like you fitting bike parts :banana:

Laava
6th September 2014, 23:25
Looks kinda the opposite to filleting and skinning a fish. Probably just as messy.

caspernz
7th September 2014, 07:47
Damn good effort I'd say! All I've ever worked with is the heavy clear 3M film and that's tricky enough...

The finished look of the panel on the bike certainly doesn't scream DIY effort :niceone:

bogan
7th September 2014, 09:29
Carbon Fibre Vinyl, you fucking pleb :bleh:

Apart from that and the GS thingo it does look really good, something to store away in the 'this is a thing' files for possible future use. Cheers for sharing.

hayd3n
7th September 2014, 10:41
we wrapped my bike in 6 hrs 300680
has been onfor over a year now
:) you can buy a 3m adhesive that helps the vinyl stick alot better :)

hayd3n
7th September 2014, 11:07
heres a helmet being done https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFEvctCEYq8

Gremlin
7th September 2014, 13:39
Carbon Fibre Vinyl, you fucking pleb :bleh:

Apart from that and the GS thingo it does look really good, something to store away in the 'this is a thing' files for possible future use. Cheers for sharing.
Haha, as said, since I didn't plan, I couldn't have time to organise a first choice. You should probably be glad I didn't choose a tiger print or something :laugh: It'll probably be re-done at some point, and I'll probably go for something boring like matte black.


heres a helmet being done https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFEvctCEYq8
Holy hell that vinyl is super conformable :shit: The carbon fibre had almost no stretch...

Matt Bleck
7th September 2014, 16:29
My first bit of advice is don't use soapy water with 3M controltac or the Avery or Mactac equivalent, they are meant to be applied dry, they have air release tracks in the sticky surface so any air trapped can escape. My other suggestion is to have an extra pair of hands to direct the heat gun while the applicator use both hands to stretch and conform the vinyl.

The carbon fibre and wood grain vinyls tend to be alot thicker than opaque and metallic colours which limits how much they can conform.

imdying
8th September 2014, 12:56
Tasteless.

insomnia01
8th September 2014, 13:06
have been thinking about doing something similar to scooter for awhile ( have a 1.2mtr wide x 3mtr long roll to play with ) this could save me having it repainted certainly cheaper

nzspokes
8th September 2014, 13:10
What is the bestest place to by this from?

insomnia01
8th September 2014, 13:19
What is the bestest place to by this from?

I got mine from a work mate who brought it off trademe for bugger all, I have seen it at Repco but the sheets are smaller & therefore cost more

Gremlin
8th September 2014, 14:08
have been thinking about doing something similar to scooter for awhile ( have a 1.2mtr wide x 3mtr long roll to play with ) this could save me having it repainted certainly cheaper
Paint would probably be more expensive (assuming pro job vs playing with vinyl yourself), more prep required, but it's going to likely be more durable and last longer. Vinyl should be removed around the 3-5 year mark (varies for product) otherwise you will have issues removing it, it could leave remnants etc.


What is the bestest place to by this from?
TradeMe has a heap of options, finishes etc, but they don't list brand, so it's probably cheap stuff. http://www.computaleta.co.nz/ supplies signwriters, has 3M products. Other option is the signwriters.

yevjenko
8th September 2014, 15:40
What is the bestest place to by this from?

Ebay for the win.

i'll be wrapping my bike with this or the metallic black version
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/60-x96-Avery-Supreme-SW900-GLOSS-DARK-BLUE-METALLIC-Vinyl-Car-Wrap-Film-Roll-/111167731329

be careful with the brushed aluminium look as apparently it's a bitch to clean
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/60-x24-3M-1080-BRUSHED-BLACK-METALLIC-Vinyl-Vehicle-Decal-Car-Wrap-Sticker-/111166792156?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19e20ea1dc

Big Dog
8th September 2014, 16:52
Tasteless.

What, did you want lime? Lemon? Sambucca?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

bogan
8th September 2014, 17:37
Haha, as said, since I didn't plan, I couldn't have time to organise a first choice. You should probably be glad I didn't choose a tiger print or something :laugh: It'll probably be re-done at some point, and I'll probably go for something boring like matte black.

Don't be hating on the leopard/tiger prints, at least that has a 'but I'm doing it ironically' factor...

hayd3n
8th September 2014, 17:52
got mine from www.metrorestyling.com/
$80 was enough to cover my bike :)

hayd3n
19th September 2014, 20:29
spent 1/2 hr removing all my vinal. lasted well :) was still looking good after a year but finally have enough $$ to paint my bike

yevjenko
19th September 2014, 23:12
Did it come off easily? Any photos of it wrapped?

hayd3n
20th September 2014, 00:08
Did it come off easily? Any photos of it wrapped?

came of with a resonable effort didnt get any stone chips or tears over the year and approx 15,000 kms of riding

yevjenko
20th September 2014, 07:46
Damn it looked nice

mossy1200
20th September 2014, 17:30
came of with a resonable effort didnt get any stone chips or tears over the year and approx 15,000 kms of riding

Im thinking about doing it on my project.

Do you think you could have done the tank in one piece?

hayd3n
20th September 2014, 17:32
It would have been possible but alot harder

mossy1200
20th September 2014, 18:01
It would have been possible but alot harder

I guess café racers need a stripe anyway.
Any damage from petrol around the cap?

sil3nt
21st September 2014, 16:26
I just got this from supercheap:
http://www.autotecnica.com.au/matte-black-vinyl-car-wrap

$30 for 213cm X 20cm

$60 for 152cm X 152cm

Got the cheap one to practice with for now. Will try and wrap the mirrors on my bike.

hayd3n
21st September 2014, 18:25
I just got this from supercheap:
http://www.autotecnica.com.au/matte-black-vinyl-car-wrap

$30 for 213cm X 20cm

$60 for 152cm X 152cm

Got the cheap one to practice with for now. Will try and wrap the mirrors on my bike.

cost me $80 to wrap my whole bike :P

sil3nt
21st September 2014, 18:37
cost me $80 to wrap my whole bike :PI am far too impatient to wait for overseas delivery. Got this stuff to try it out and if it looks ok I will buy it from overseas. Got almost 3 full sets of fairings that can be wrapped :eek5:

imdying
22nd September 2014, 12:00
What, did you want lime? Lemon? Sambucca?Any of those is better than fake carbon, doubly given the wide range of cool looking vinyl you can get.

Gremlin
22nd September 2014, 15:40
Got the cheap one to practice with for now. Will try and wrap the mirrors on my bike.
Depending on the mirrors, it's probably one of the more tricky areas to start with, most have quite rounded shapes... but see how you go, after all, you can always pull it off :)

sil3nt
22nd September 2014, 18:31
I spent an hour on this last night. The mirrors have seen the road in the past (deep scratches on them) and the paint is flaky so no the best surface to be sticking to.

I also didn't have a sharp knife so when I tried to cut around the glass it ended up dragging and ripping rather than cutting nicely. The photo of the glass side actually makes it look 100 times worse than it really is. It was the last part I did so rushed through it.

Getting around the stalk was easier than expected.

This cheap vinyl is a pain to get air bubbles out of. Have to keep lifting and re applying. It would have been a lot easier if I did it in the garage with it attached to the bike. It is a job for three or four hands not two!

I am happy with how this turned out. Might give the stalk a go tonight and then the other mirror. I am sure working with 3M vinyl on flatter fairings would be a lot easier.

tigertim20
22nd September 2014, 19:44
It takes a fair bit of patience!!!.
Objects that arent fairly broad and flat are much easier to do, it you have one person to hole and rotate / move the item itself, and the other person to apply the vinyl. When we did Hayd3n's tank, thats how we approached it, and it still took the two of us a good while to get it done, and we did it in two pieces. would have been way longer using one piece

3umph
22nd September 2014, 21:09
we wrapped my bike in 6 hrs 300680
has been onfor over a year now
:) you can buy a 3m adhesive that helps the vinyl stick alot better :)

cool stichers on your bike :niceone:

3umph
22nd September 2014, 21:42
Advice from someone in the signage industry...

make sure you know what vinyl you are actually buying... cheap vinyls are just that, you get what you pay for... good vinyls for conforming and doing quality jobs cost more but make life easier...

There are vinyl suppliers around the country that will sell to people and also most signwriters will get some in for you as well...

You need a High performance cast vinyl as they mold to shape and remember the shape when heated then cooled.
Also do not expect the vinyl to stretch to far without problems and parts lifting. They age good but not designe to stretch more the 15-20% from memory.
I tried as an experiment to wrap my daytona side panel in one piece with matt black but the deep air vent was just to deep and the vinyl pulled off in the inside corners due to the tension that it was under (deepest part was about 75mm), other then that it was on in one piece.

There are adhesion promoters and advise to use if tension will be an issue and also good on edges to reduce lifting.

If you can get air release then thats heaps easier.

Also take your time, use a heatgun when needed to mold the vinyl. Its amazing how flexable the good vinyl gets with heat...

Don't do it on a cold day in a cold room or you are asking for problems!!

Having 2 people also helps, one can heat while other molds and hold tension.

Use a soft squeegee or wrap soft side of velcro over squeegee edge to give a softer edge or use a felt squeegee.

Start on the easier parts before attempting the harder parts. Its also easier t do still mounted on the bike then flopping about on a bench...