Fatal motorcyclist vs vehicle hit-and-run driver charged

[Mo NZ]

I see that there was a young man was finally charged after a hit and run in which a young motorcyclist was killed.
The driver did not stop and a 5 month police investigation and an appeal from his family for witnesses managed to identify the driver.
I know that whatever happens the bloke wont be back but the driver will be held accountable for his actions which is good.

[Akzle]

I know that whatever happens the bloke wont be back but the driver will be held accountable for his actions which is good.

bwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahhahahhha :killingme:killingme

in new zealand? :lol::lol::lol:

disqualified for 2 years, 3 months not-proper-butt-sex-prison or 6 home D and a 500$ fine.
taking bets....

[caseye]

bwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahhahahhha :killingme:killingme

in new zealand? :lol::lol::lol:

disqualified for 2 years, 3 months not-proper-butt-sex-prison or 6 home D and a 500$ fine.
taking bets....

He ( Akzle) is right here, not held to anything except a bs sentence, this prick should be hung drawn and quartered/.
Then his family should be publicly vilified for not dobbing him in all this time, they knew!

[Maha]

The courts really laid into him........:killingme

''Samuel James Young, 17, appeared in Manukau District Court last week charged with careless driving causing death, a charge which carries a maximum penalty of three months imprisonment or a $4500 fine''.

Story here --->>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11330750

[EJK]

The courts really laid into him........:killingme

''Samuel James Young, 17, appeared in Manukau District Court last week charged with careless driving causing death, a charge which carries a maximum penalty of three months imprisonment or a $4500 fine''.

Story here --->>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11330750

Lousy $4,500 for taking a man's life? That's pretty messed up if you ask me.

[haydes55]

Lousy $4,500 for taking a man's life? That's pretty messed up if you ask me.


Fuck yea, way cheaper than a hitman!

Or you get 3 months rent free with free food!

Win win if you hate the victim.

The punishment for anything causing death should be a lot more severe. Manslaughter is manslaughter, regardless of the weapon. In this case the weapon was an easily controlled car. It's very easy to NOT kill anyone.....

[Akzle]

Lousy $4,500 for taking a man's life? That's pretty messed up if you ask me.

thats MAXIMUM. They will take into account how sorry he is, how young he is etc.
Safer communities together guys.

[Mo NZ]

Its a long stretch to claim how sorry he is now.
He wasn't sorry enough to stop at the time, but left.. and did not come forward willingly.
If it was a genuine unavoidable thing with the bloke being knocked off and suddenly was on the road in front of him and unable to stop, well that would have to be looked at.
It speaks volumes that he took off and avoided detection.
He also had an opportunity to enter a plea.

He is sorry he has been identified.

[Maha]

Lousy $4,500 for taking a man's life? That's pretty messed up if you ask me.

He has only been charged at this stage, 'a charge which carries a maximum penalty of three months imprisonment or a $4500 fine'

He could come away with even less, stay tuned.

[Paul in NZ]

Lousy $4,500 for taking a man's life? That's pretty messed up if you ask me.

Yes he fucked up but I'll bet every person who gets behind a wheel or a set of handlebars makes a mistake nearly every time. Usually there are no consequences other than a 'phew'....

Yes - this time someone died...

What penalty would you suggest?

[Mike.Gayner]

Yes he fucked up but I'll bet every person who gets behind a wheel or a set of handlebars makes a mistake nearly every time. Usually there are no consequences other than a 'phew'....

Yes - this time someone died...

What penalty would you suggest?

He also fled the scene and was only found five months later after a tip-off. Scum bag.

[HenryDorsetCase]

The courts really laid into him........:killingme

''Samuel James Young, 17, appeared in Manukau District Court last week charged with careless driving causing death, a charge which carries a maximum penalty of three months imprisonment or a $4500 fine''.

Story here --->>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11330750

Good grief: that seems ... insufficient.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yes he fucked up but I'll bet every person who gets behind a wheel or a set of handlebars makes a mistake nearly every time. Usually there are no consequences other than a 'phew'....

Yes - this time someone died...

What penalty would you suggest?

cut off his hands and feet, and burn his families home down, take all their assets and sell them and give them to the victim.

Its sort of like sharia law but without the icky religious bits

[Erelyes]

What's the bet he gets a sentence discount for an 'early guilty plea'.

[Paul in NZ]

He also fled the scene and was only found five months later after a tip-off. Scum bag.

Yeah thats fair.... At 17 he probably freaked out but 5 months???

[EJK]

Yeah thats fair.... At 17 he probably freaked out but 5 months???

I can hear lawyers whinging "he's only a teenager, too young to go to jail yada yada punishment will be too sever and will ruin his life in the future."

[Paul in NZ]

I can hear lawyers whinging "he's only a teenager, too young to go to jail yada yada punishment will be too sever and will ruin his life in the future."

I'd try that if I was his lawyer... bloody terrible situation...

[HenryDorsetCase]

You all read the story didn't you? Before getting the pitchforks and flaming torches out?

my reading of the story is that a car pulled out in front of the motorcycle rider, he decked the bike and ended up in the oncoming lane, where he was struck and ultimately that was fatal.

I can easily see how a young, inexperienced (on the road) rider could do that and end up in the other lane.

The worst aspect of this is the hit and run, and not stopping (which is a crime itself) but it is very easy to see why this has been charged at the lower end of the spectrum. If ute-boy gets a half decent lawyer he might walk entirely on the careless causing (but definitely not on the failing to stop)

[Mo NZ]

Nah. He avoided for 5 months.

Earlier I said
"If it was a genuine unavoidable thing with the bloke being knocked off and suddenly was on the road in front of him and unable to stop, well that would have to be looked at."

It speaks volumes that he took off and avoided detection.

[scumdog]

Lousy $4,500 for taking a man's life? That's pretty messed up if you ask me.

A wise man once said to me "If you ever want to kill somebody in NZ do it on the road - the penalty is not so harsh"

[Katman]

Nah. He avoided for 5 months.

Earlier I said
"If it was a genuine unavoidable thing with the bloke being knocked off and suddenly was on the road in front of him and unable to stop, well that would have to be looked at."

It speaks volumes that he took off and avoided detection.

So who was it that tried to avoid detection?

The ute driver that hit and killed the motorcyclist or the driver that pulled out in front of him?

[Ender EnZed]

So who was it that tried to avoid detection?

The ute driver that hit and killed the motorcyclist or the driver that pulled out in front of him?

Only article I can find is the one linked here, which doesn't say.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11330750


If ute-boy gets a half decent lawyer he might walk entirely on the careless causing (but definitely not on the failing to stop)

Do you have some other information or is that just a guess that he was driving the ute?

It seems a bit dumb to do a runner from a fatal accident that you didn't cause. Maybe he was pissed/speeding/had an ounce in the glove box.

If Samuel James Young was driving the ute, do we know if the car that pulled out is in the picture?

[Akzle]

If Samuel James Young was driving the ute, do we know if the car that pulled out is in the picture?

no we don't know shit. but since when has that ever slowed down th KB lynch mob...?

[SVboy]

no we don't know shit. but since when has that ever stopped me from spouting drivel at every opportunity...?

Corrected for accuracy.

[Mo NZ]

So who was it that tried to avoid detection?

The ute driver that hit and killed the motorcyclist or the driver that pulled out in front of him?

He slid off the bike and, before he could get up, he was struck by a ute coming in the opposite direction.

It actually says it here. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11330750

[Ender EnZed]

He slid off the bike and, before he could get up, he was struck by a ute coming in the opposite direction.

It actually says it here. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11330750

Yeah, we know that. Was Samuel James Young (the 17 year old who left the scene, avoided detection for 5 months and is now being charged with careless causing death) driving the ute that hit him or the car that pulled out in front of him? The article doesn't say.

[cynna]

Its a long stretch to claim how sorry he is now.
He wasn't sorry enough to stop at the time, but left.. and did not come forward willingly.
If it was a genuine unavoidable thing with the bloke being knocked off and suddenly was on the road in front of him and unable to stop, well that would have to be looked at.
It speaks volumes that he took off and avoided detection.
He also had an opportunity to enter a plea.

He is sorry he has been identified.


yep like most criminals - they are only sorry that they got caught

[Mo NZ]

Yeah, we know that. Was Samuel James Young (the 17 year old who left the scene, avoided detection for 5 months and is now being charged with careless causing death) driving the ute that hit him or the car that pulled out in front of him? The article doesn't say.

See post #25.

[Mo NZ]

Yeah, we know that. Was Samuel James Young (the 17 year old who left the scene, avoided detection for 5 months and is now being charged with careless causing death) driving the ute that hit him or the car that pulled out in front of him? The article doesn't say.

Read all of it before you post.

[Ender EnZed]

See post #25.

That's what I replied to.


Read all of it before you post.

I have. It certainly suggests he was driving the ute but it doesn't specifically say it.

[Madness]

I have. It certainly suggests he was driving the ute but it doesn't specifically say it.

Funny, I took from that article that the lad charged was driving the car that struck the motorcyclist off his bike before he was run over by the ute. Bloody crap reporting once again which also comes as no surprise.

Going off topic here but WTF does a motorway have to do with this? http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10549533/Inquest-clears-motorway-in-fatal-crash

[Ender EnZed]

Funny, I took from that article that the lad charged was driving the car that struck the motorcyclist off his bike before he was run over by the ute. Bloody crap reporting once again which also comes as no surprise.


I get the impression that a car pulled out, he binned it prior to hitting the car, slid into the oncoming lane, some time passed (maybe a fraction of a second, maybe more) then he got run over by the ute. And everyone fucked off but now they found the ute driver.

No idea what actually happened though.

[Madness]

I get the impression that a car pulled out, he binned it prior to hitting the car, slid into the oncoming lane, some time passed (maybe a fraction of a second, maybe more) then he got run over by the ute. And everyone fucked off but now they found the ute driver. No idea what actually happened though.

Yerp, I just read it again, again and can see your point. Epic journalistic fail.

[Mo NZ]

Yeah I do agree it could have been rittn betr.

It reads to me that:

A car pulled into his path. The lad slid off his bike onto the road and before he could get up, he was struck by a ute coming in the opposite direction.

[Mo NZ]

I get the impression that a car pulled out, he binned it prior to hitting the car, slid into the oncoming lane, some time passed (maybe a fraction of a second, maybe more) then he got run over by the ute. And everyone fucked off but now they found the ute driver.

No idea what actually happened though.

Well with everybody gapping it and in view of nobody offering any explanation you will have to draw your own conclusion.

[Katman]

Yeah I do agree it could have been rittn betr.

It reads to me that:

A car pulled into his path. The lad slid off his bike onto the road and before he could get up, he was struck by a ute coming in the opposite direction.

So which was the driver who avoided detection for 5 months?

The ute driver or the driver of the car that pulled out?

[Katman]

I have. It certainly suggests he was driving the ute but it doesn't specifically say it.

It doesn't actually make any suggestion as to which vehicle he was driving.

[Big Dog]

So which was the driver who avoided detection for 5 months?

The ute driver or the driver of the car that pulled out?

Maybe the rider would be better off if both cage drivers fathers had pulled out?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[GrayWolf]

Yes he fucked up but I'll bet every person who gets behind a wheel or a set of handlebars makes a mistake nearly every time. Usually there are no consequences other than a 'phew'....

Yes - this time someone died...

What penalty would you suggest?

Simple answer.......
He wasnt 'mature or responsible enough' to accept he fucked up and deal with it, the he isnt 'mature or responsible enough' to be in charge of a machine that can cause severe injury or death to others....

10yr ban, BIG fine, some kind of reparation to the family, service to the community (and I dont mean cutting flax etc) and instant IMPRISONMENT if ever caught driving during the 10yr period.
When his ban is up.... he will have to PROVE he is now mature enough to be given a learner licence again, not a full.

[zooter]

Shoddy journalism but more details : https://shivanirajan1027.wordpress.com/2014/10/24/

Trial put off until Jan, ute driver let off / excused, accused car driver since granted a full driver licence.

[PrincessBandit]

If the fatal injuries were caused by the second vehicle I cannot understand why that driver isn't guilty of manslaughter. "Not having enough time to react" is a lame excuse as you're supposed to drive/ride to the conditions (including what could potentially be around a corner etc.), not what you're expecting the road to be like.

[scumdog]

"Not having enough time to react" is a lame excuse as you're supposed to drive/ride to the conditions (including what could potentially be around a corner etc.), not what you're expecting the road to be like.

Didn't work with the rider(s) that ploughed into U-turning cops cars, did it?:(

[awayatc]

A wise man once said to me "If you ever want to kill somebody in NZ do it on the road - the penalty is not so harsh"

Not only in Enzed.....

An "associate" of mine....many moons ago squared off all his grief like that,
wait for target to leave the pub.....
run him over. (Alcohol on him, before and after event...wait for cops, go to court, accept slap on wrist with wet busticket..)
Third time judge gave him finally a wee bit more then fuck all....

[zooter]

If the fatal injuries were caused by the second vehicle I cannot understand why that driver isn't guilty of manslaughter. "Not having enough time to react" is a lame excuse as you're supposed to drive/ride to the conditions (including what could potentially be around a corner etc.), not what you're expecting the road to be like.
Tte road in question had a 60 limit, so some sort of through road where you expect your clear road in sight to stay clear for 60kmh worth of braking. My guess is he never saw the poor biker knocked off until he stood up.

[bsasuper]

Come on Karma! (cue 16t weight falling from sky)

[Laava]

Yay, result!!