Rape claims

[Shaun Harris]

So one minute this Kiwi women claims 3 men raped her in Australia, then she with draws the charge? Eh WTF

[R650R]

More like WTNF. IF one more feminist goes on TV and says again that we have a 'rape culture' in NZ I'm going to scream like a errr...

[Shaun Harris]

More like WTNF. IF one more feminist goes on TV and says again that we have a 'rape culture' in NZ I'm going to scream like a errr...



Myself also, Hey what does WTNF mean, Im not that savvy

[R650R]

N for NO lol

[Swoop]

I hope the bint is being charged for wasting police time and making a false complaint?

Poor buggers who are on the other end of this cow's allegations!

[Geeen]

IF the claims are false, by all means flame her. BUT if she has withdrawn the complaint so she doesn't have to relive thexwhole thing in a public courtroom and have her every action dragged through the circus that calls itself media.. I can understand not wanting to subject yourself to that.

[oneofsix]

IF the claims are false, by all means flame her. BUT if she has withdrawn the complaint so she doesn't have to relive thexwhole thing in a public courtroom and have her every action dragged through the circus that calls itself media.. I can understand not wanting to subject yourself to that.

thanks for causing me to re-read the article carefully. Sounds like she didn't want to, in fact didn't initially, make the complaint. With all the stuff about Tinder and what the police said about the retraction, or more correctly didn't say, there is a possibility the initial complaint wasn't totally false.

[mossy1200]

I think if I was a women with such a public interest case like this idd want to withdraw also.

[tigertim20]

IF the claims are false, by all means flame her. BUT if she has withdrawn the complaint so she doesn't have to relive thexwhole thing in a public courtroom and have her every action dragged through the circus that calls itself media.. I can understand not wanting to subject yourself to that.

problem is though, that claims like that dont get forgotten, and whether published publically or not, no doubt the accused blokes names are known in the communities in which they live.
Issue here is, whether its true or not, those blokes will be known as "probably a rapist" for the rest of their lives. The womans name will be forgotten next week.
So now the blokes have been accused, and people will know, but will never get the opportunity to face their accuser.
Bit shitty aint it.

If youre a victim, then DO complain, and DO follow through. this half and half shit leave the accused looking uilty in the eyes of the community, and with no way to address their accuser, pretty shitty if they arent actually guilty of the charge

[mstriumph]

you're right, of course ... people who are assaulted in ANY way should lay charges if at all possible

problem is, it can be the victim who's under attack at the trial ... like to think I'd be brave enough but hope I never have to find out ...

If you know who did it, probably more satifsying to go after them individually down a dark ally with a panga ....? :(

[BuzzardNZ]

So one minute this Kiwi women claims 3 men raped her in Australia, then she with draws the charge? Eh WTF

almost sounds like how you raped the motorcycle racing scene in NZ by cheating ( in a certain thread ) and then you claimed you didn't? Eh WTF. Seems like people can change their minds at the drop of a hat, Eh WTF? !!!!

[Berries]

Tinder is how people meet. It's like real life, but better.

Perhaps if you are from Hamilton.

[avgas]

So I wonder if they withdrew, or deposited?

[avgas]

almost sounds like how you raped the motorcycle racing scene in NZ by cheating ( in a certain thread ) and then you claimed you didn't? Eh WTF. Seems like people can change their minds at the drop of a hat, Eh WTF? !!!!
I heard he rides Showa's all night long. Little whore.

[sidecar bob]

almost sounds like how you raped the motorcycle racing scene in NZ by cheating ( in a certain thread ) and then you claimed you didn't? Eh WTF. Seems like people can change their minds at the drop of a hat, Eh WTF? !!!!

Yeah, because being a ball sucking attention whore didn't give the desired result on that occasion.

[Shaun Harris]

IF the claims are false, by all means flame her. BUT if she has withdrawn the complaint so she doesn't have to relive thexwhole thing in a public courtroom and have her every action dragged through the circus that calls itself media.. I can understand not wanting to subject yourself to that.


Your exact post came to mind after I was thinking about it a bit more

[Shaun Harris]

Yeah, because being a ball sucking attention whore didn't give the desired result on that occasion.



Really, big surprise to me that one Tosser, it sure got your attn Dick licker. Get back to grinding discs and crying about getting ya arse kicked by better riders with legal bikes

[Swoop]

If you know who did it, probably more satifsying to go after them individually down a dark ally with a panga ....? :(
So how do you know, conclusively, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the "accused" actually IS guilty beyond doubt?
Otherwise there is just the usual, casual accusations and bullshit, and another innocent person (probably/possibly) is slandered by the accusations.

[Crasherfromwayback]

So how do you know, conclusively, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the "accused" actually IS guilty beyond doubt?
Otherwise there is just the usual, casual accusations and bullshit, and another innocent person (probably/possibly) is slandered by the accusations.

Best of my knowledge no-ones been named and or shamed? And Louise Nichols has it right. Rape cases shouldn't be heard by a 12 person jury. Fucking hard for any rape victim male or female to tell a full room full of total strangers exactly what went down blow by blow if you excuse the pun.

[sidecar bob]

Really, big surprise to me that one Tosser, it sure got your attn Dick licker. Get back to grinding discs and crying about getting ya arse kicked by better riders with legal bikes

Na, i got beaten by a gutless cheat that even admitted it & then had his chum that built the cheating parts back that theory up.
Bike racing is not actually my whole life, if that's all I cared about winning at to the point of being prepared to cheat & lie my arse off to get anywhere that would just be sad.

[R650R]

:jerry: Thread title needs to be changed, this new direction is much more entertaining .

[sidecar bob]

:jerry: Thread title needs to be changed, this new direction is much more entertaining .

Yes, I find the first post quite ironic given the posters history.

[Shaun Harris]

Yes, I find the first post quite ironic given the posters history.



wank wank wank Bob , ya good at it. Been checked over plenty over the years man, 1x World endurance podium No Drama's, 2x TT Wins, No Drama;s Move on dick head

[SVboy]

wank wank wank Bob , ya good at it. Been checked over plenty over the years man, 1x World endurance podium No Drama's, 2x TT Wins, No Drama;s Move on dick head

Didn't get caught eh!

[Laava]

She may be facing prosecution now.

[mstriumph]

So how do you know, conclusively, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the "accused" actually IS guilty beyond doubt?
Otherwise there is just the usual, casual accusations and bullshit, and another innocent person (probably/possibly) is slandered by the accusations.

ahhhh
was speaking generally

know for a fact, if it's me that's going to be torn to shreds, embarrassed, humiliated and shamed before a jury, it'll be for something I'VE done to someone ... not for something that person has done to me

or - mebbe not - either standing up before a jury and having my reputation shredded because some rapist's clever lawyer is trying to get him off by proving it's me that 'asked for it' ........ or standing up before a jury and having my reputation shredded because I decided to forego that circus and extract an 'eye for an eye ......'
BOTH those courses of action would, mebbe, take more guts than I've got.

How about you, friend? As I understand it, male on male rape has an added dimension of shameful? How would YOU react?

[yokel]

She may be facing prosecution now.

good job, hope that attention whore goes for a skate but probably wont.
I would like to know why the media feels the need to bring this shit to peoples attention before a conviction?
bloody sensationalising cunts!

[TheDemonLord]

Didn't get caught eh!

I would like to see more on this - My suggestion is Handbags at 20 paces.

[Swoop]

ahhhh
was speaking generally

You were referring to an accused person being dealt with down an alley, rather than going through the courts' process. That is vigilante justice rather than judicial system justice.
One of those requires evidence, the other rumour, guesswork, innuendo and a mob.

[mstriumph]

You were referring to an accused person being dealt with down an alley, rather than going through the courts' process. change the word from 'accused' to 'known perpetrator' (ie known to the victim) and I think that's a fair representation

That is vigilante justice rather than judicial system justice. am glad you can see that justice is not necessarily the preserve of the judicial system ... personally I'd go further and doubt that justice is necessarily/reliably the outcome of the judicial system, but I don't expect you to go that far :sunny:

One of those requires evidence, the other rumour, guesswork, innuendo and a mob. Friend, if a person has raped someone and has been recognised/identified doing that, i'd call that evidence rather than rumour, guesswork, etc etc? And, for the record, I was assuming the victim would be on their own down that alley explaining to the rapist their disappointment at his/her actions - any more than that is, as you say, a mob (or a jury :shifty:)

[Shaun Harris]

My wife kind of shocked me re this subject, she said, " If it ever happened to me" I would probally not press charges either, just to be able to try and move on from it asap. I can see the point in that, but would rather see the scum prosecuted at least and named and shamed for there actions

[Stirts]

I can see the point in that, but would rather see the scum prosecuted at least and named and shamed for there actions

Pfffft good luck with that...only around 13% of cases recorded by the Police result in conviction.

[mashman]

Pfffft good luck with that...only around 13% of cases recorded by the Police result in conviction.

Need better interrogation methods.

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[Stirts]

Need better interrogation methods.

I concur, but obviously my way would surpass your technique :msn-wink:

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[Swoop]

change the word from 'accused' to 'known perpetrator'...
Your opening charge was of someone "accused", so let's not change tack now, eh?

This is the issue. Someone is innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. When a person is found to be innocent, or charges are not proceeded with (withdrawn), then the accused still has the stigma of that arrest being made and no way the media go out and print a story about "our previous story was wrong, this person is innocent".

So that just leaves the mob mentality approach. I bet they also don't go and apologise (& pay for hospital bills, etc) for when they get it wrong and attack an innocent person.

[mashman]

I concur, but obviously my way would surpass your technique :msn-wink:

Ahhh, ahhh, ahhhhhhhhhhh... I did it, I DID IT, it was all my fault no matter what anyone else says, just down zipsack me. Although at this present moment in time my testicles are comfortably nestled back from whence they came aaaaaaand it looks as though they took the bag with them. In which case, I concur, highly effective.

[mstriumph]

Your opening charge was of someone "accused", so let's not change tack now, eh?
yep - 'accused' is a legal term, 'known' a factual one - if needed the two can co-exist?


This is the issue. Someone is innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. total, utter BOLLOCKS - if I take your bike without your permission then, by any measure, i'm not 'innocent' of the theft whether or not I ever end up in court for it and go through due process


When a person is found to be innocent, or charges are not proceeded with (withdrawn), then the accused still has the stigma of that arrest being made and no way the media go out and print a story about "our previous story was wrong, this person is innocent". you are confusing actual innocence with the outcome of legal process so you and I are not on the same page - but I share your angst about the culpability of unrestrained sensationalised journalism


So that just leaves the mob mentality approach. I bet they also don't go and apologise (& pay for hospital bills, etc) for when they get it wrong and attack an innocent person.
No - I've already explained that I was speaking about a well-deserved moral re-adjustment delivered BY THE VICTIM in a situation where the perpetrator is known to them and recognised .... even if the victim were schizophrenic I doubt that the term 'mob' would be appropriate?

...really don't understand why you are still trying to frame your argument within parameters I've explained aren't relevant to the examples I was using?

[yokel]

My wife kind of shocked me re this subject, she said, " If it ever happened to me" I would probally not press charges either, just to be able to try and move on from it asap. I can see the point in that, but would rather see the scum prosecuted at least and named and shamed for there actions

you do realise some of the top female sexual fantasies is a rape or sex with a stranger, just saying haha

[rapid van cleef]

Theres a huge difference between a sexual fantasy that is consentual and someone that maybe drugged, or taken bu force and took somewhere and raped by 1 or more people left lying on the wayside. Get a grip.

[imdying]

Theres a huge difference between a sexual fantasy that is consentual and someone that maybe drugged, or taken bu force and took somewhere and raped by 1 or more people left lying on the wayside.Yeah, you'd think wouldn't ya. Not so.

[Ender EnZed]

This comes to mind. (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9880424/Four-found-guilty-of-murdering-Glen-Jones)

[scumdog]

[QUOTE=Ender EnZed;1130780981]This comes to mind. (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9880424/Four-found-guilty-of-murdering-Glen-Jones)[/QUOTE

Not only do they look as ugly as a baboons arse but they likely have the same intellect as one!:mad:

[oldrider]

My wife kind of shocked me re this subject, she said, " If it ever happened to me" I would probally not press charges either, just to be able to try and move on from it asap. I can see the point in that, but would rather see the scum prosecuted at least and named and shamed for there actions

Hmmmm, for me and mine? ......... A little bit of death would go a long long way! :yes: .. The older I get the less I can be punished :wait:

Just gotta stay strong enough to pull the trigger! :2guns:

[Swoop]

:facepalm:
(not because of the above post.)