Dutch biker gang to fight IS

[Stylo]

This'll be interesting ...



The Dutch public prosecutor said overnight (NZ time) that motorbike gang members who have reportedly joined Kurds battling the Islamic State group in Iraq are not necessarily committing any crime.

"Joining a foreign armed force was previously punishable, now it's no longer forbidden," public prosecutor spokesman Wim de Bruin said.

"You just can't join a fight against the Netherlands," he said after reports emerged that Dutch bikies from the No Surrender gang were fighting IS insurgents alongside Kurds in northern Iraq.

The head of No Surrender, Klaas Otto, told state broadcaster NOS that three members who travelled to near Mosul in northern Iraq were from Dutch cities Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Breda.

A photograph on a Dutch-Kurdish Twitter account shows a tattooed Dutchman called Ron in military garb, holding a Kalashnikov assault rifle while he sat with a Kurdish comrade.

Video footage apparently from a Kurdish broadcaster shows an armed European man with Kurdish fighters saying in Dutch: "The Kurds have been under pressure for a long time."

Many countries including the Netherlands have been clamping down on their nationals trying to join IS jihadists who have taken over swathes of Iraq and Syria.

Measures include confiscating would-be jihadists' passports before travelling and threatening prosecution should they return.

"The big difference with IS is that it's listed as a terrorist group," said De Bruin.

"That means that even preparing to join IS is punishable."



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Dutch citizens could not, however ,join the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), as it is blacklisted as a terrorist organisation by Ankara and much of the international community, De Bruin said.

Dutch citizens fighting on the Kurdish side would of course be liable to prosecution if they committed crimes such as torture or rape, De Bruin said.

"But this is also happening a long way away and so it'll be very difficult to prove," said De Bruin.

AFP

[R650R]

They have that awesome picture of a motorway filled with bikers... then you read the story and like a whole three guys have gone...

[jasonu]

Maybe some of the Kiwi Bickerer tough barstard regulars could get a posse together.

[paturoa]

Fucking media.

Shock horror bikie gang..... well ok just 3..... photo of 1

arseholes are part of the problem and nothing to do with solutions

[Oakie]

On Jihad-ly Davidsons?

[awa355]

Coming to a war near you.

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/awa355/Untitledpicture-35.png

[trapster66]

well said, well said...:ar15:

[oldrider]

War is fucking stupid and who decides who are terrorists? .... History shows us that it is usually the terrorist with the most clout! :ar15: Yeah right! :nya:

Zionist USA, Zionist Israel, Zionist Great Britain ... all the usual suspects like the totally disorganised Muslim Arabs? ... to name a few recent regulars! :shifty:

We were easily sucked into this armed conflict shit out of ignorance but this is the 21st century and we "all" know better now so fuck them and their phony wars! :facepalm:

Make :love: Not :ar15: Tell them to go fuck themselves! :buggerd: ...... :niceone:

There is just no need to be involved ... there are enough problems to fix right here at home damn it ... spend the time and money on that FFS! :corn::sunny:

[avgas]

Holy shit biker gangs still exist?

[oldrider]

This one just made the TV1 news tonight ... ISIS (same pics over and over ISIS) must be shaking in their boots about this! :laugh:

[scumdog]

Maybe some of the Kiwi Bickerer tough barstard regulars could get a posse together.

Well KB certainly has a really tough bunch of key-board warriors it seems - I bet they could strike terror into the heart of ISIS - well on PS 4 anyway.:laugh::laugh:

[scumdog]

Coming to a war near you.



Wheel guns are so yesterday man..:rolleyes:

[unstuck]

Tell them to go fuck themselves! :buggerd: ...... :niceone:

There is just no need to be involved ... there are enough problems to fix right here at home damn it ... spend the time and money on that FFS! :corn::sunny:

Agree totally:Punk::Punk:

Unfortunately though there is some good coin to be made from wars by certain sectors, and the almighty dollar is more powerful than common sense and reason.:niceone:

[Brett]

War is fucking stupid and who decides who are terrorists? .... History shows us that it is usually the terrorist with the most clout! :ar15: Yeah right! :nya:

Zionist USA, Zionist Israel, Zionist Great Britain ... all the usual suspects like the totally disorganised Muslim Arabs? ... to name a few recent regulars! :shifty:

We were easily sucked into this armed conflict shit out of ignorance but this is the 21st century and we "all" know better now so fuck them and their phony wars! :facepalm:

Make :love: Not :ar15: Tell them to go fuck themselves! :buggerd: ...... :niceone:

There is just no need to be involved ... there are enough problems to fix right here at home damn it ... spend the time and money on that FFS! :corn::sunny:

there is simply no other way to describe IS but as a violent, oppressive terrorist organisation. They are fucking putrid humans.

[R650R]

there is simply no other way to describe IS but as a violent, oppressive terrorist organisation. They are fucking putrid humans.

You forgot to add backed by Western Intelligence agency funding and driving brand new Hilux utes built to US milspec....

[oldrider]

You forgot to add backed by Western Intelligence agency funding and driving brand new Hilux utes built to US milspec....

Not to mention the same old pics repeated night after night after night on TVNZ etc. :corn:

[awayatc]

3 people who put their money where their mouths are.....

got to be worth more then 3000.000 keyboard warriors....?

[R650R]

3 people who put their money where their mouths are.....

got to be worth more then 3000.000 keyboard warriors....?

Perhaps, or maybe putting themselves where the money is... given what we know about how intel agencies and organised crime often work together. They might be there as project managers making sure all the hardware gets shipped to the right places then on sold afterwards into black markets.
Its a pity Sons of Anarchy is in final season. Sutter could have had the Sons set the Irish and the Mexicans against each other then switch to a brief Jaunt in Syria and source new gun channel for the MC.

http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2013/11/13/soa/soa-6.o.jpg/a_560x0.jpg

[Brett]

So boys, how's the business making tin foil hats going then?

Or are you too busy wearing your own merchandise?

[Virago]

This should solve all problems in the Middle East - no bikers or violence required.

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[R650R]

The bullshit on the news tonight by CBS on 3.... re the botched recue of the journo hostages.

At about 1am two Marine Corp Osprey aircraft land and the marines raid the compound however their position is given away by maybe a dog barking and the operation goes haywire says reporter.

I think more like the massive noise from the two prop driven aircraft landing at 1am would have given it away.... not like Hollywood where everyone has their own private helipad to wake the neighbours.....

[oldrider]

Mercans? ... kinda sad really ... they believe all that bullshit they write about themselves! (Rambo etc) ... mostly nice people - crap government! :weird:

[scumdog]

Bloody yanks!
Now those rag-head idiots will have to steal another coupleof hostages.


ISIS: - Imbiciles Slaughtering Innocent Souls

[lakedaemonian]

The bullshit on the news tonight by CBS on 3.... re the botched recue of the journo hostages.

At about 1am two Marine Corp Osprey aircraft land and the marines raid the compound however their position is given away by maybe a dog barking and the operation goes haywire says reporter.

I think more like the massive noise from the two prop driven aircraft landing at 1am would have given it away.... not like Hollywood where everyone has their own private helipad to wake the neighbours.....

The Osprey's would have dropped the recovery team offset from the target location and they would have humped it the rest of the way in. That distance could have been as much as 10-20 km depending on a whole bunch of factors.

In the planning process they would have identified a suitable location to avoid giving the bad guys indicators.

This has been done thousands of times in the last 14 years.

There's a been a bunch of successful hostage rescues.....and there's been a small number that went pear shaped.

[R650R]

The Osprey's would have dropped the recovery team offset from the target location and they would have humped it the rest of the way in. That distance could have been as much as 10-20 km depending on a whole bunch of factors.

In the planning process they would have identified a suitable location to avoid giving the bad guys indicators.

This has been done thousands of times in the last 14 years.

There's a been a bunch of successful hostage rescues.....and there's been a small number that went pear shaped.

The official story on CBS showed them landing right next to the compound.... and I believe the yanks would have been dumb enough to do that.
They would not have risked ordinary soldiers (marines are not seals or delta force) humping 20km across unknown territory in a land occupied by warlords and terrorists camps.
USAF aircraft fling in from anywhere would not go unnoticed....

http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Osprey3-490x320.jpg

[scumdog]

The official story on CBS showed them landing right next to the compound.... and I believe the yanks would have been dumb enough to do that.
They would not have risked ordinary soldiers (marines are not seals or delta force) humping 20km across unknown territory in a land occupied by warlords and terrorists camps.
USAF aircraft fling in from anywhere would not go unnoticed....


That being the case how do you explain the successful rescues - the ones where susprise was on the rescuers side?

Silent helicopters? Deaf and blind guards ??

[oldrider]

That being the case how do you explain the successful rescues - the ones where susprise was on the rescuers side?

Silent helicopters? Deaf and blind guards ??

Have they ever really had any successful rescues raids etc? ... they always seem to fuck them up!

Unless you want to count that pathetic Osama Bin Laden shooting as successful. Pffft a defenseless sick old man that they new where he was all the time! :rolleyes:

[awayatc]

Merican solution.......throw lots of money at it

And lots of hi tech....hi explosives....

never works......

you want something like that done ? Get the Israelis to do it

[scumdog]

Have they ever really had any successful rescues raids etc? ... they always seem to fuck them up!

Unless you want to count that pathetic Osama Bin Laden shooting as successful. Pffft a defenseless sick old man that they new where he was all the time! :rolleyes:

Yes John there has been.:msn-wink:

And the defenseless old man had it coming to him, woulda done it myself.

Trouble is, you kill one 'brain' and another pops up somewhere else - with the same insane ideas...<_<

[awa355]

The attempted rescue was run from the Pentagon. Should've left it to Bruce Willis and Hollywood. :(:(

Tragic all round.

[jasonu]

The official story on CBS showed them landing right next to the compound.... and I believe the yanks would have been dumb enough to do that.
They would not have risked ordinary soldiers (marines are not seals or delta force) humping 20km across unknown territory in a land occupied by warlords and terrorists camps.
USAF aircraft fling in from anywhere would not go unnoticed....

http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Osprey3-490x320.jpg

You sound like a genuine military operations and tactical expert. Maybe you should ring the pentagon and offer your advice. I'm sure they will appreciate the input.

[awayatc]

Yes John there has been.:msn-wink:

_<

Mericans rescued hostage from ragtops......?
a live one...?
You sure...?

[lakedaemonian]

The official story on CBS showed them landing right next to the compound.... and I believe the yanks would have been dumb enough to do that.
They would not have risked ordinary soldiers (marines are not seals or delta force) humping 20km across unknown territory in a land occupied by warlords and terrorists camps.
USAF aircraft fling in from anywhere would not go unnoticed....

http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Osprey3-490x320.jpg

Right from the press release:


Under the cover of darkness, Special Operations forces infiltrated from CV-22 Ospreys near the remote compound in the Shabwah governate, officials said. The terrain was difficult and illumination lacking. AQAP terrorists detected the special operators as they began their final approach on foot to the compound and they began firing wildly at the Americans.

Not Marines, JSOC(which means DEVGRU, CAG, and/or Rangers) or possibly a CIF(Commander's In Extremis Force) unit.

Considering DEVGRU is rumoured to have conducted the successful rescue in Yemen of 8 regional hostages(but not westerners they were also attempting to recover) the week prior, it could have been the same Navy shooters who conducted this operation.

The Osprey isn't the best platform(slow transition) to directly insert shooters onto a target, that's the job of MH-6 little birds.

Hence the common offset infil approaching via an unpopulated route, and legging it in.

It has been done literally thousands of times in the past decade+

[R650R]

http://shareverything.com/2014/12/18/american-used-cars-used-by-isis/

A Texas plumber says he has no idea how his old company truck ended up in a jihadi photo from the front lines of the war in Syria produced by the militant group ISIS

The New York Daily News reported that Mark Oberholtzer of Texas City traded the company car in at a dealership in 2013 and hadn’t thought of it since.

On Monday, however, the Ansar al-Deen Front, a Syrian militant group, posted a photo featuring the black Ford F-250 pickup with an anti-aircraft gun mounted on the truck bed and the logo of Oberholtzer’s Mark-1 Plumbing Company and contact information emblazoned on the doors.

[R650R]

Interesting thought from JSF on the plumbers truck...


Two FAR MORE probable explanations for the Plumber's truck

I initially posted about this Texas plumber's truck which ended up being used by ISIS as an anti aircraft artillery platform in Syria on the day the story broke, but pulled the report because of a claimed pedigree by Glenn Beck which explained how that truck got to Syria. But on close examination, Beck's story is a bullshit white wash with no root in facts whatsoever.

Here is a far better explanation for how a nearly worthless worn out used truck was deemed worthy to ship overseas, and it has U.S. military intelligence written ALL OVER IT.
It is no small issue to ship a vehicle across the Atlantic, through the Mediterranean and drop it off at Syria. To justify such a trip, which would no doubt involve one or more shipping transfers, a high vehicle value has to exist to provide a reason for shipping it to begin with. A worn out plumber's truck simply would not cut it. There are many many higher value used vehicles available in Syria and the rest of the Arab world, which nullify any rational reason to ship something that is used for that great a distance. The only cars that can be by force of economics shipped that distance are classic cars, new cars, or very odd circumstance high value used cars. "Plumber's castaway" is not on that list.

However, there is ONE WAY that a HUGE number of very low value cars get shipped overseas economics be damned, and that is as privately owned vehicles that BELONG TO THE MILITARY. Once you are a U.S. government employee, especially Army Navy Air Force Marine Coast Guard, your car gets shipped absolutely FREE, sight unseen, even if it is worth less than scrap value.


CONSIDER THIS OPTION:
That truck never got shipped overseas. Not by the military, not by U-DO-IT-FREE truck transport, NO, it just sat in Texas. Got bought at an auto auction cheap, AND ALL THE BEHEADINGS, ALL THE ISIS PHOTO OPS WERE SHOT ON A MILITARY BASE IN TEXAS WITH ORDINARY USED AMERICAN VEHICLES. How about that? That make sense? Are there good enough "Arab back drops" available in Texas? I THINK SO! This truck most likely simply busted the fact that much of ISIS, if not all, is happening on American soil hollywood style and the American bombings in Syria are done against ONLY what America wants wiped out in Syria. Makes perfect sense when ISIS is an American military intelligence outfit running in Washington DC with major offices in Texas.

Interesting....

[Oakie]

CONSIDER THIS OPTION:
That truck never got shipped overseas. Not by the military, not by U-DO-IT-FREE truck transport, NO, it just sat in Texas. Got bought at an auto auction cheap, AND ALL THE BEHEADINGS, ALL THE ISIS PHOTO OPS WERE SHOT ON A MILITARY BASE IN TEXAS WITH ORDINARY USED AMERICAN VEHICLES. How about that? That make sense? Are there good enough "Arab back drops" available in Texas? I THINK SO! This truck most likely simply busted the fact that much of ISIS, if not all, is happening on American soil hollywood style and the American bombings in Syria are done against ONLY what America wants wiped out in Syria. Makes perfect sense when ISIS is an American military intelligence outfit running in Washington DC with major offices in Texas.

Interesting....

The German jounalist who has just returned from spending 6 days with ISIS in Mosul may disagree.

[scumdog]

CONSIDER THIS OPTION:
That truck never got shipped overseas. Not by the military, not by U-DO-IT-FREE truck transport, NO, it just sat in Texas. Got bought at an auto auction cheap, AND ALL THE BEHEADINGS, ALL THE ISIS PHOTO OPS WERE SHOT ON A MILITARY BASE IN TEXAS WITH ORDINARY USED AMERICAN VEHICLES. How about that? That make sense? Are there good enough "Arab back drops" available in Texas? I THINK SO! This truck most likely simply busted the fact that much of ISIS, if not all, is happening on American soil hollywood style and the American bombings in Syria are done against ONLY what America wants wiped out in Syria. Makes perfect sense when ISIS is an American military intelligence outfit running in Washington DC with major offices in Texas.

Interesting....

Interesting?...no, a crock of shit?...yes...:facepalm:

[oldrider]

The German jounalist who has just returned from spending 6 days with ISIS in Mosul may disagree.

Well Oakie -- don't hold back ... what did he say? :wait:

[R650R]

The German jounalist who has just returned from spending 6 days with ISIS in Mosul may disagree.

Was it this german journalist or a different one????


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elgvr5Vb2m4

[R650R]

Interesting?...no, a crock of shit?...yes...:facepalm:

A slight variation....

Buck Private Bob bought a truck at an auto auction CHEAP. Buck Private Bob got assigned to Syria. Got a security clearance for black ops. HAD THE ARMYAIRFORCENAVYMARINESCOASTGUARD (whatever) ship his truck overseas FREE. Buck Private Bob (now a Spec4) for whatever reason used his truck in an ISIS photo op. And even if it was not shipped over there as a privately owned vehicle and was bought by a black op contractor or whatever for use in Syria, THE ONLY THING THAT CAN ECONOMICALLY EXPLAIN HAVING AN OLD PLUMBER'S TRUCK END UP IN SYRIA IS FREE SHIPPING BY THE U.S. MILITARY, which happens all the time.