Long riders?

[jimekus]

After buying a 20 year old road bike, only my forth since the 60s, I didn't think it was going to be off the road for many months over the last year, but now I think it is ready to go to the South Island. After doing 14000km around the North Island I'm thinking seriously of leaving from Auckland in time to reach Invercargill by the end of November. Who else has planned such a trip?

[awayatc]

Not sure what you are asking.......

info or company....?

plenty of info around on this forum about south island do's and don'ts if thats what you are after...

[ellipsis]

...there is a possibility that some intrepids will be riding down to the Burt Racing from up your way around about then...and then onto the CAMS classic weekend at Levels the week after...

[Akzle]

Who else has planned such a trip?

no-one.



ever.

[Jantar]

I regularly commute between Aleaxandra and Hamilton. I know that is 3 hours in total shorter than you are asking about. But that is only a single tank of fuel in difference.

If you want to reach Invercargill by the end of November I would advise you to leave Auckland no later than 8:00 am on the morning of 29th November, book the last ferry on that day and stay the night in Picton. You should reach invercargill by 8:00 pm on the 30th.

Or you can make a more leisurely trip of it and leave Auckland a day or two earlier.

[Gremlin]

Or you can make a more leisurely trip of it and leave Auckland a day or two earlier.
Or he could leave now, and never make it there... ;) Haven't been to Cape Reinga for a few weeks...

[Big Dog]

Or he could leave now, and never make it there... ;) Haven't been to Cape Reinga for a few weeks...

Send him the "lighthouse" route? Should have time.

Always wanted to do the lighthouse run. Never had the holy trinity of a bike the money and the time at the same time.
At least I have enough camping gear and a bike now should the money or the time happen along.


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[Big Dog]

In case that is a bit vague, the lighthouse run was something polytechnic riders used to bang on about doing over summer break. Those that didn't need jobs.
Between October exams and February term start you go and have a visit of every light house. Most went clockwise up to the cape via west coast to welling it via east coast etc.

Most took the challenge to mean no paid for accommodation.
Most would be real gutted when comparing notes and photos on return to find they missed one somewhere.

No internet. No GPS. Hell in 1994 none had cellphones. Just a calling card and a payphome directory.


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[Ender EnZed]

the lighthouse run ...


Between October exams and February term start you go and have a visit of every light house. Most went clockwise up to the cape via west coast to welling it via east coast etc.


Cape Reinga, East Cape, Egmont, Cape Palliser...

Does the South Island have them as well? They don't readily come to mind.

[Big Dog]

Dunno. To be fair some of them only have a plaque these days. Apparently during whaling times there was over 30.


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[Hobbyhorse]

Start the engine and head down the southern motorway ... that's a start. There will be lots of bikes heading for the Burt Munro.

[Jantar]

Does the South Island have them as well? They don't readily come to mind.

Heaps of them. Now that gives me an idea for an endurance ride. Photos of as many South Island light-houses as possible within 48 hours. To make it more difficult we could start and finish at Tarras (The furthest point from the sea in the South island).
Extra points for getting a photo of your bike at Puysegur Point. :lol:

[FJRider]

Or he could leave now, and never make it there... ;) Haven't been to Cape Reinga for a few weeks...

I've made a few planned rides ... and never followed the plan.

Amazing and enjoyable rides resulted ...

[FJRider]

Heaps of them. Now that gives me an idea for an endurance ride. Photos of as many South Island light-houses as possible within 48 hours. To make it more difficult we could start and finish at Tarras (The furthest point from the sea in the South island).

I thought that was Garston ... ?? a much better PUB in Garston ... ;)


Extra points for getting a photo of your bike at Puysegur Point. :lol:

A REAL Multi-purpose bike is required for THAT one ... :killingme

[ellipsis]

Cape Reinga, East Cape, Egmont, Cape Palliser...

Does the South Island have them as well? They don't readily come to mind.

...what, Capes or Lighthouses...or boats or roads or sea maybe...

[BMWST?]

hmmm an idea for a finite tag game emerges :niceone:

Maritime New Zealand has 23 lighthouses and 75 lightbeacons

Puysegur Point is located in the far southwest of the South Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Island) of New Zealand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puysegur_Point#cite_note-1) It lies within Fiordland National Park (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiordland_National_Park) on the southern head ofPreservation Inlet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preservation_Inlet). It lies 145 kilometres west-northwest of Invercargill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invercargill). It is the site of a lighthouse station now automated but for many years the home of 3 married permanent lighthouse keepers. The original wooden lighthouse was burnt down in 1943 by a man who had recently left a psychiatric hospital and made his way down to Coal Island across the fjord from the lighthouse. He decided the light was a deliberate plot to keep him awake at night by shining in his window so took matters into his own hands. He held all the keepers hostage with a rifle, smashed the radio telephone and set fire to the lighthouse. The concrete lighthouse which replaced it has now in turn been replaced by two automated beacons. A large earthquake[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puysegur_Point#cite_note-2) in this region on 15 July 2009 pushed Puysegur Point closer to Australia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia) by 30 cm.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puysegur_Point#cite_note-3) Humpback whales (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humpback_whale) pass the point during annual migrations.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puysegur_Point#cite_note-4)

[FJRider]

Heaps of them.

Heaps .. ??? There are only 23 Light-Houses in the whole of New Zealand. Plus a further 74 light beacons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lighthouses_in_New_Zealand

[Big Dog]

That´s heaps if you are trying to safari around all of them. Even just the 23 lighthouses dispersed the length and breadth would take more than a weekend. Take gps and internet out of the equation and add a desire to have a proper adventure of a lifetime and it may not be "the long way round" but it sounds like a heap of fun.
I have also met a few "lighthouse collectors" visiting New Zealand, most on two wheels. Most of them on push bikes.
Amazing really.


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[Jantar]

Heaps .. ??? There are only 23 Light-Houses in the whole of New Zealand. Plus a further 74 light beacons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lighthouses_in_New_Zealand

That quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lighthouses_in_New_Zealand misses out quite a few, like Tairoa Head for instance. :msn-wink:

Try http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/lighthouse/nzs.htm

[unstuck]

a much better PUB in Garston ... ;)





Im banned from that one and Kingston.:msn-wink:

[FJRider]

That quote ... misses out quite a few, like Tairoa Head for instance. :msn-wink:



True .... Nugget point also missing from my list ..

[awa355]

hmmm an idea for a finite tag game emerges :niceone:

[COLOR=#000000]Maritime New Zealand has 23 lighthouses and 75 lightbeacons

[/. The original wooden lighthouse was burnt down in 1943 by a man who had recently left a psychiatric hospital and made his way down to Coal Island across the fjord from the lighthouse. He decided the light was a deliberate plot to keep him awake at night by shining in his window so took matters into his own hands. He held all the keepers hostage with a rifle, smashed the radio telephone and set fire to the lighthouse. ]

So did the chap from the funny farm get a decent nights sleep afterwards? :msn-wink:

[wickle]

Cape Reinga, East Cape, Egmont, Cape Palliser...

Does the South Island have them as well? They don't readily come to mind.

Castlepoint good ride

[STJim]

Heaps of them. Now that gives me an idea for an endurance ride. Photos of as many South Island light-houses as possible within 48 hours. To make it more difficult we could start and finish at Tarras (The furthest point from the sea in the South island).
Extra points for getting a photo of your bike at Puysegur Point. :lol:

I'll look forward to reading your tour write up:laugh:

[unstuck]

So did the chap from the funny farm get a decent nights sleep afterwards? :msn-wink:

Lance Thomas was his name, and presumably he did get a good nights sleep afterwards because he was arrested in his bed back at his hut on coal island, the following afternoon.:laugh:

[jimekus]

I'm sorry not to have replied earlier. I haven't had a computer for the last few days.

I'm planning to take just over a week down the West Coast to Milford Sound to get to Invercargill by the 27th and up to two more getting back. I'll be tenting as much as possible but need to be prepared to hunker down in a backpackers for days at a time in case of bad weather. On the way back in Christchurch I could need a new front tire and an oil change.

I'm flexible of course if I could team up with others coming or going either way.

[BlackSheepLogic]

I'll be tenting as much as possible but need to be prepared to hunker down in a backpackers for days at a time in case of bad weather.

Unless theres really strong cross winds which might hold you up for a few hours, I can't see why you would need to hunker down.

[unstuck]

Unless theres really strong cross winds which might hold you up for a few hours, I can't see why you would need to hunker down.

Never ridden the west coast in a "shower" then? :innocent:

[BlackSheepLogic]

Never ridden the west coast in a "shower" then? :innocent:

Nope, not yet, but since returning to NZ if I only rode when the sun's out my bike would rot in the garage.

[unstuck]

Nope, not yet, but since returning to NZ if I only rode when the sun's out my bike would rot in the garage.

Im hearing ya, but the west coast is a little "different" when it rains.:lol::lol:

[Jantar]

I'm sorry not to have replied earlier. I haven't had a computer for the last few days.

I'm planning to take just over a week down the West Coast to Milford Sound to get to Invercargill by the 27th and up to two more getting back. I'll be tenting as much as possible but need to be prepared to hunker down in a backpackers for days at a time in case of bad weather. On the way back in Christchurch I could need a new front tire and an oil change.

I'm flexible of course if I could team up with others coming or going either way.

South Island roads are a lot more agressive on tyres than North Island roads. If you think you may need a new tyre in Christchurch on the way back, then plane on changing it in Wellington on the way down. This is particularly important if you are going down the west coast. It is 500 km between tyre suppliers, if they even have one in stock.

As an example, this time last year before leaving Hamilton to head home I looked at my tyres and decided that I would get home with ease. Checked again at Wellington and the rear was squaring off, but still looked fine. Checked again at Christchurch, and decided it would be close, but I should make it OK, and being a sunday I couldn't get a new one that day anyway. At Geraldine it was "Bloody Hell" there was sign of the rubber in the middle of the tread breaking away. By Omarama it was steel belting showing through around 2/3 of the circumference. I rode over the Lindis pass at 50 kmh or less, just waiting for it to give out. Well I made it to Alexandra, with air escaping through what was left of the casing, and about 10 psi pressure. That was through the center with plenty of places to stop if things went pear shaped. Down the west coast you don't have that luxury.

[jimekus]

South Island roads are a lot more agressive on tyres than North Island roads. If you think you may need a new tyre in Christchurch on the way back, then plane on changing it in Wellington on the way down. This is particularly important if you are going down the west coast. It is 500 km between tyre suppliers, if they even have one in stock.

As an example, this time last year before leaving Hamilton to head home I looked at my tyres and decided that I would get home with ease. Checked again at Wellington and the rear was squaring off, but still looked fine. Checked again at Christchurch, and decided it would be close, but I should make it OK, and being a sunday I couldn't get a new one that day anyway. At Geraldine it was "Bloody Hell" there was sign of the rubber in the middle of the tread breaking away. By Omarama it was steel belting showing through around 2/3 of the circumference. I rode over the Lindis pass at 50 kmh or less, just waiting for it to give out. Well I made it to Alexandra, with air escaping through what was left of the casing, and about 10 psi pressure. That was through the center with plenty of places to stop if things went pear shaped. Down the west coast you don't have that luxury.

That's quite a hairy tire story, so if I decide to get in a couple more two day rides before I go south then I'll change the oil and tires in Auckland before my SI trip. Otherwise what about me going down to Christchurch first? That way I could decide on either Wellington or Christchurch to get the work done. Or would I be too exhausted later on to enjoy the West Coast?

The rear tire has only about 10k on it but vandals had put screws in the tire, so do those repairs and the True Blue Puncture GOO now in mean it needs replacing? The front Michelin has about 2.5mm of tread in the center. It's done about 20k. The oil has only been in for 3K. On the subject of sealant, is this recommended? Should I put it into both new tires?

As far as weather goes, though I have the rain gear, I've always relied on the Metservice to predict the fine days and don't have any work commitments except for my computer programming hobby. I would judge bad weather by an internet connection and head out again when I see the days are clear. I've still got stuff to do on my Android, for example checking into my seedbox regularly, otherwise over 3 weeks I'll loose some episodes.

[mulletman]

I would replace both tyres first without any goop but do buy a string repair kit and an extra air cylinder and do the oil change when in ChCh on the way back.

Do go the west coast first then back up the east after invers, its gonna be awesome for ya :2thumbsup

[Jantar]

.......The rear tire has only about 10k on it but vandals had put screws in the tire, so do those repairs and the True Blue Puncture GOO now in mean it needs replacing? The front Michelin has about 2.5mm of tread in the center. It's done about 20k. .......

Replace both before you even start out.

West Coast weather is not as bad as some here make out. When it rains it rains hard, but as most fronts pass through fairly quickly, just wait a few hours and it'll be fine and sunny.

[jimekus]

I would replace both tyres first without any goop but do buy a string repair kit and an extra air cylinder and do the oil change when in ChCh on the way back.

Do go the west coast first then back up the east after invers, its gonna be awesome for ya :2thumbsup

I have two left over Slime strips and a bicycle pump. That allowed me to get in about 15psi after 3-400 strokes which got me to a gas station. Should I take the pump and an air cylinder for extra pressure or just take cylinders? What brand and size of cartridge is best?

A 15m thin 200kg cord is used doubled on windy days to tie the bike to a lamppost and a tree. A bad gust a month ago threw the bike off its center stand. I have no off-street parking and use a strong wind resistant 3x3m webbed matting tied down over a flimsy waterproof cover, but it was no match for the wind here in Meadowbank. I now only use the side stand on a block of wood with the front tire against the curb. I ask about the cord because I want to know if it will suffice as a tie-down for the ferry crossing.

Online I just bought a pretty decent second Android phone from Telecom for $69 including 30GB/500MB of prepay Wifi/3G to overlap with 500MB of my prepaid Vodafone 3G. My headset buttons control it in my backpack and want to whip out the other phone for easy photography, tethering and regular uploading. I have a Google account but never have done much in the way of photography. What mobile broadband service is best down there and should I plan to use camping grounds near Telecom Wifi Zones or just forget the Internet?

[Jantar]

.... I ask about the cord because I want to know if it will suffice as a tie-down for the ferry crossing.....
No, do not use cord as a tie down. Proper tie downs are inexpensive, and available at all motorbike shops I always take 3, although 2 would be sufficient. Take your own. There are some provided on the ferries that may do in a pinch, but they don't suit all bikes.

On the ferry, place your front wheel in the stand povided, and facing in towards the wall. Side stand down and in gear. Put the left hand tie down from your handlebars down to a ring in the floor at about a 30 degree angle and just take up the slack, do not pull tight just yet. Use a cloth or similar between the tie down and the fairing. Now put on the right hand tie down in a similar manner, but pull this one tight. The bike will stand up straighter, and pull itself down onto the front suspension. Now tighten each side in turn until the bike is hard down on the front suspension. It will not move from this position no matter how rough the crossing may be.

[BlackSheepLogic]

You should use the lower triple clamp as the primary tie down point. The bars/clip-ons should be a secondary tie down point to stabilize the bike and not used in the manner prescribed below.


On the ferry, place your front wheel in the stand povided, and facing in towards the wall. Side stand down and in gear. Put the left hand tie down from your handlebars down to a ring in the floor at about a 30 degree angle and just take up the slack, do not pull tight just yet. Use a cloth or similar between the tie down and the fairing. Now put on the right hand tie down in a similar manner, but pull this one tight. The bike will stand up straighter, and pull itself down onto the front suspension. Now tighten each side in turn until the bike is hard down on the front suspension. It will not move from this position no matter how rough the crossing may be.

[jimekus]

You should use the lower triple clamp as the primary tie down point. The bars/clip-ons should be a secondary tie down point to stabilize the bike and not used in the manner prescribed below.

Thanks for the tie down hints.

On the question of oil, as I'm now half way between changes and as I've other plastic repairs to do, meaning I maybe unlikely to ride much between now and then, is there anything wrong with keeping the existing oil to put back in when I get back or has it done its dash? The oil filter has done 3k and would then be ready for replacement after doing 5k for the South Island and a further 2k on the decanted oil. Incidentally, I'm running the oil slightly lower now, half way between the high and low marks, so it doesn't put excessive pressure on the engine that's done 76k. I read that stunt riders overfill their oil but what about an intensive road trip? Is there any way to judge the oil when I get back?

[Big Dog]

The cost of the oil vs the cost of the servicing. Or failure to service is the question.

I'd drop it out and either throw it out or put it through a coffee filter and put it in an oiler can for squeaky gates etc.
There is all kinds of contaminants the sump side of the oil filter. Many heavy enough to never leave the sump. Not true if you the. Mix it all up then put it back on an old filter.


I am a stingy bugger, but not double dip the tea bag stingy.

I also change the filter with every oil change rather than every second as is recommended for some bikes. Again a < $20 oil filter vs crud building up in difficult to clean or expensive to replace places.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

One less thing to worry about on trip also.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[jimekus]

The cost of the oil vs the cost of the servicing. Or failure to service is the question.

I'd drop it out and either throw it out or put it through a coffee filter and put it in an oiler can for squeaky gates etc.
There is all kinds of contaminants the sump side of the oil filter. Many heavy enough to never leave the sump. Not true if you the. Mix it all up then put it back on an old filter.


I am a stingy bugger, but not double dip the tea bag stingy.

I also change the filter with every oil change rather than every second as is recommended for some bikes. Again a < $20 oil filter vs crud building up in difficult to clean or expensive to replace places.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

It's more like not wanting to throw out a half eaten favorite home-cooked meal because a friend comes round and invites you out to dinner. Anyway I've heeded the advice given and decided not to go until my tires and oil are ready to be changed, but I'm not throwing away thousands of kilometers because I picked the wrong time to go. I first chose end of November early December to miss the school holidays and because my sleeping bag is for really cold weather. I prefer colder rides, less mosquitoes, etc. I don't have heated grips and should hypothermia strike I just dismount put on a few more layers or grab hold of the mufflers until my hands are warmed up.

In my planning I found the Burt Munro Challenge and was intrigued with the idea that there might be like minded bikers on the ferry crossing that I could team up with. Once I was alone on a lonely Northland road when a rat trap was sprung by my front wheel. It launched a couple 5" wooden spears through my back tire. It was 11km to the nearest village which wouldn't have been out of place in the movie Deliverance. I was robbed and spent the whole day getting out of the place.

Is not riding alone in the South Island is something to consider? What are the best South Island riding months?

[Big Dog]

Advice is like a box of chocolates.
Only people with chocolates can offer you one.
Not all chocolates are good.
You don't have to take all offers of chocolate, bit if you don't take any you don't have any you didn't have to start with.

And that is a bit like having a wank when a root was on offer.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Jantar]

Is not riding alone in the South Island is something to consider? What are the best South Island riding months?
Riding alone has never been an issue as far as I'm concerned, but I've only been doing that since 1971.

The best months for riding in the South Island dpend on just what you want to see. For spectular snow covered mountains then July August and September are the best months. For colourful blossum them September and October are hard to beat. November and December are always good for less traffic on the roads and spectacular rivers and waterfalls. January to March are generally hot and dry, perfect for camping out and going to the beach. April to June, great autumn colours and lovely balmy evenings, althoug June can be starting to get cold on inland routes.

What months to avoid? Only those months starting with a W. My bikes are registered all year round.

Regarding BlackSheepLogic's comment about using the lower triple clamp rather than handlebars for your tie downs. I have had bikes where that would work, but my last four bikes would all end up with damaged fairings if I tried that. Inter Islander recommends using the handlebars, and on the packaging for my last set of tie downs the diagram showed the handle bars being used as well. Try both methods on your bike before you leave home and see which suits your bike best.

[Coldrider]

after buying a 20 year old road bike, only my forth since the 60s, i didn't think it was going to be off the road for many months over the last year, but now i think it is ready to go to the south island. After doing 14000km around the north island i'm thinking seriously of leaving from auckland in time to reach invercargill by the end of november. Who else has planned such a trip?me me me.

[peg]

Do try to avoid tying down by the handlebars if at all possible... The bars on my last bike were bent just enough to be annoying. I know it had been over on the ferry a few times, and suspect it was either tightened down too much, or had a rough crossing.

Or if you tie it down by the handlebars, make sure it's in close to the risers?

[jimekus]

Hi all,

I'm leaving Auckland on Saturday morning. Front brakes pistons have been reconditioned with new pads, new front tire, oil changed and after an unexpected rectifier failure all is ready for an Italian tune up.

What I'm now thinking about is booking the Sunday 2:30am ferry crossing. Is there any reason not to?

Thanks

[caseye]

You go girl!
Op's. Ah shucks, you go and enjoy the ride.
Whatever ferry takes yer fancy, no one else to please is there?

[Madness]

Waiheke is nice this time of the year.

[jimekus]

Sunday should get me well down into the South Island to find a place to stay. It looks like the weather turns somewhat bad after Monday and I may have to hold up somewhere. Booking DONE and paid for!!!