Would you run?

[froggyfrenchman]

hey guys.
With the prices of speeding getting higher and the tollerences getting lower, i have been hearing more stories from bikers running from the law. Guys that wouldnt of dreamed of it 6mnths ago! Just wondering who here would do a runner if it was under perfect conditions. Must say, i have done it twice in the past, and was suprised at how easy it was...

No bullshit please... Be honest

[Skunk]

*Sits back and waits for the usual posts...*

[bugjuice]

wasn't this run a while ago?

[froggyfrenchman]

if it was, i never saw it..

[**R1**]

:devil2: ..................

[madboy]

:devil2: ..................I'm with you. Now shall we get out the nitty gritty of our stories?

I pulled a massive arse wheelie off a rise at 250km/h while I was being chased by the highway patrol. F***ing smoked the c***sucking pig. That'll teach him for trying to bust me for 190k past a school!!

By the way, my name is John Smith, I live at 123 Main Road, Wainui, my rego plate is 50SUK...

[Lou Girardin]

No, I hate running. I prefer a brisk walk.

[froggyfrenchman]

I pulled a massive arse wheelie off a rise at 250km/h while I was being chased by the highway patrol. F***ing smoked the c***sucking pig. That'll teach him for trying to bust me for 190k past a school!!

Hmmmmmm, sounds likely.. had always wondered where ghost rider lived...

[madboy]

Ghost rider wasn't riding a 600

[zjet]

If they didn't get my plate i,m taken side streets all the way home :)

I use to respect the boys in blue but since the quota system and the way they hand out fines these days its hard to keep doing so.

[Magua]

I'm far too law abiding. Not that I reach crazy speeds anyway.

[Marmoot]

With the prices of speeding getting higher

not as high as petrol price, apparently. My monthly petrol bill is higher than the biggest instant speeding fine now.... :violin:

[zadok]

Too law abiding to do a runner. :chase: :Police:

[SPORK]

I've evaded the One-Time on my bicycle when riding without a helmet. I went past them, then they saw me, and were all "OMGZZZ!!!!11one" so I went down a bank into a park. LUULH

[madboy]

I've evaded the One-Time on my bicycle when riding without a helmet. I went past them, then they saw me, and were all "OMGZZZ!!!!11one" so I went down a bank into a park. LUULHThat's where another esteemed member of our site first cut his teeth too... on the pushbike popping wheelies and running from the popo. Now he plays with the big boys in the helicoptor!! Commodores are just too easy. No names mentioned, ahem...

[Damon]

not really to law abiding, more scared of what can go wrong.

I'm not to keen to round a corner at 250ks to catch a school bus pulling out in front of me, i guess i'd rather take a hit in the pocket that risk my life, and what if it was the cop that hit a bus or a car? i'd hate to be sitting at home watching the news to see that my actions cost someone their life, especialy some one i pay to keep me safe.

By all means go out there and risk your own life, it's yours, go for it, but when someone else becomes involved and you dont do the right thing then you pushing into fuckwit territory and deserve what you get

[**R1**]

I'm with you. Now shall we get out the nitty gritty of our stories?

I pulled a massive arse wheelie off a rise at 250km/h while I was being chased by the highway patrol. F***ing smoked the c***sucking pig. That'll teach him for trying to bust me for 190k past a school!!

By the way, my name is John Smith, I live at 123 Main Road, Wainui, my rego plate is 50SUK...
Girl!! i was doing 255 on the back wheel, and 200 past a school, then i slowed down and let him catch up just so i could wheely off at the same time facing backwards giving flicking him the bird and making a wanking gesture with my right foot...

My name is Jonny Smith and i live at 124 main rd Wainui and my rego is 50DIK

[Ixion]

Apart from runners , there's also dodgers.

Bikes can go a lot of places cars can't , and if you can get out of sight before the plod can get turned around you don't need super high speed.

Surprising how many pedestrian walkways, alleys, parks, traffic queues and such there are if you keep an eye open.

Less nasty if you do end up being caught too.

[Paul in NZ]

Yeah - out run em on da Guzzi.... Hmmmm.... As long as cops have ears that flat out aint gunna work is it!

[cowboyz]

I usually pull over as soon as the lights go up and conceed. The first time on my bike I was going rather quick and i pulled over and took off my helmet and rolled a ciggy and lit it and contemplated taking off again cause the cop took ages to catch up. I am just too law abiding. Every cop i been book by has taken it in good humour. Just part and parcel of being on the road really.

[Sniper]

Im on the fence. I would like to experience the rush of doing a runner, but I'm also not too comfortable witht the consequences

[kerryg]

Never because I'm so slow they'd easy catch me..........................

[SPORK]

That's where another esteemed member of our site first cut his teeth too... on the pushbike popping wheelies and running from the popo. Now he plays with the big boys in the helicoptor!! Commodores are just too easy. No names mentioned, ahem...
It's illegal to do cycle wheelies? I'm stuffed then...

Does he start with Wh/Ji?

[inlinefour]

I can neither confirm nor deny anything :devil2:

[fizzer]

i can out run the car but i can not out run the radio

[Motoracer]

That's where another esteemed member of our site first cut his teeth too... on the pushbike popping wheelies and running from the popo. Now he plays with the big boys in the helicoptor!! Commodores are just too easy. No names mentioned, ahem...

That loose c*nt got me into the craze as well. It's pretty good for some cheap thrills without the same concequences as doing it on a motorised set of 2 wheels.

Pretty funny how easy it is to piss off a cop, just by doing a wheelie infront of em with no lights or helmet at night (on the push bike ofcourse!).

[zeRax]

when i have a bike that i can start thinking of doing it on, im wearing all my gear and have reached my limits on that bike, i have a good idea on the area, and its gonna cost me my left nut if i stop, only then, situation like that and i will always run

[Monsterbishi]

I'd rather take a fine that risk a life, even if I got away they'd just up my rego to compensate the next year :doh:

[Beemer]

I clicked the 'my bike couldn't...' option but the reality is, I couldn't outrun a cop even if I wanted to! He'd have to be broken down on the side of the road for me to get away! :violin:

[eliot-ness]

Used to do it regularly in the days when cops drove Wolsely 444s or austin A40s. No flashing lightsor sirens, (A bell on the roof) no radio and had to follow !/3 of a mile with a passenger as witness. Those days the law was on our side. Now I couldn't outrun a cop on a skateboard.

[WINJA]

YOU GUYS MAKE ME SICK , THE ROAD IS NOT YOUR PERSONAL RACETRACK :rofl:

[Oakie]

I would avoid a cop if I thought I'd been spotted doing something naughty but as soon as the lights started flashing I'd be pulling over. Registration plate on the back is too much of a give-away.

[zeRax]

lol, thats rich coming from you winja!

[Jackrat]

I ride an XS650

[froggyfrenchman]

I would avoid a cop if I thought I'd been spotted doing something naughty but as soon as the lights started flashing I'd be pulling over. Registration plate on the back is too much of a give-away.

Thats me exactly, well except for once....

[Biff]

Girl!! i was doing 255 on the back wheel, and 200 past a school, then i slowed down and let him catch up just so i could wheely off at the same time facing backwards giving flicking him the bird and making a wanking gesture with my right foot...

You forgot to mention that I was riding pillion, nude, apart from an an Uzzi, shooting innocent bystanders while singing, "born to be wild".

[onearmedbandit]

You forgot to mention that I was riding pillion, nude, apart from an an Uzzi, shooting innocent bystanders while singing, "born to be wild".


I knew there was a good reason I didn`t come out on those `special` rides you and Aaron keep pestering me about!!!! :rofl:

[loosebruce]

It's illegal to do cycle wheelies? I'm stuffed then...

Does he start with Wh/Ji?

No he dosent start with that, he cant pull wheelies for shit on a pushbike!

Theres a whole heap of things to consider when doing the runner:

Time of day, and location you are at.
Speed you are going and how bad for your licence it will be.
Side roads available and knowledge of the area.
Place to hide, home, mates, etc
Can your bike do the job you need it too, ie twice i've been pulled when my bike isnt up to scratch, one no damping in my forks = shit handling bike, too dangerous to myself and others to run, and a half flat rear tyre the other time, again too dangerous.
You can be smart about it and do it realitivly safe, for what you're doing, but you have to consider everything in a split second and get the fuck out there, staying on the same road, m/way is a very dumb thing to do as well.

I aint no angel, but i dont make it a daily occurance, more weekly.

[unhingedlizard]

i have done it once. I am assamed to admit. In a nissan Siliva. Personnalized plate and all. Have never got a ticket before and just freaked. Dived off the main road before he got back round the corner and then went back roads on the way home. That was three or four years ago and havent heard anything since. dont think id do it again though.

[sunhuntin]

i wouldnt, and pup couldnt, lol. dont really do anything worth ticketing aside from riding after 10 once or twice a week after work [finish 9.30 and pup is not a night bike at all] generally stick to the speed limit cept when on the highways....then i stick to the posted limit or 100.

[Krusti]

It's the getting my bike seized and the possibility of jail when I screw up that worries me!

[**R1**]

You forgot to mention that I was riding pillion, nude, apart from an an Uzzi, shooting innocent bystanders while singing, "born to be wild".I was trying to protect your....(laughs out loud) good name, that and your singing sux

[scumdog]

not as high as petrol price, apparently. My monthly petrol bill is higher than the biggest instant speeding fine now.... :violin:

Likewise, filled my Mistral kit-car today, could have had a ticket for 64kph and it would have been cheaper!!

I also noticed my bikes tank is getting bigger - can put more $$$ worth of gas into it nowadays!!

[GN1NiteStnd]

My bike couldnt out run the fuzz.

-Too bad, it could be useful :devil2:

[Smorg]

Ive done it once and only because i knew how long it'd take the cop to turn around...............if he was right behind me i dont think i'd do it, i'd be to worried about whether he got my plate or not. But in saying that it does depend on the conditions

[White trash]

I did a mint runner a few months ago. Full fucken noise on a K3 Gixxer Thou' for about 3 minutes, (that's a big distance, work it out), quick turn at the next set of lights, flat out over a particular hill road, back onto another motorway at a more sensible speed, home in record time. Ring the folks I was riding with to make sure they got away to be told "That was a fucken ambulance you dick"

Dirty old Chevy ambo aint worth a tin of shit in the runner stakes.

[Motoracer]

I did a mint runner a few months ago. Full fucken noise on a K3 Gixxer Thou' for about 3 minutes, (that's a big distance, work it out), quick turn at the next set of lights, flat out over a particular hill road, back onto another motorway at a more sensible speed, home in record time. Ring the folks I was riding with to make sure they got away to be told "That was a fucken ambulance you dick"

Dirty old Chevy ambo aint worth a tin of shit in the runner stakes.

Ha ha ha, that's hillarious!! :rofl:

[DingDong]

perfect conditions...
i know the roads in the area
i know where to run to in the area
cop never saw the rego
cop clocked me at over 180

yes... he would not see me for long :devil2:

[madboy]

I'm with what loosebruce said earlier, time and place. Sometimes it's on, sometimes it's not. Luckily for me it's always been on so far :devil2:

Cops getting plates is a concern, not much point in running in those circumstances. But those numbers are real hard to read at 200k in the opp direction. And why do cops bother to even chase when you look at them at 190k, then put the hammer down as soon as their lights go on. Like hello, are they expecting me to stop and hand over my license? Duh!

I like people who say you can't outrun the radio, it proves that they know nothing about how the police work. There needs to be someone on the end of that radio who can take action that will result in you being busted. Putting out a call saying a biker is doing a runner down XXX road is one thing. Having a unit in the vicinity, and available, to block XXX road in the 37 seconds it's going to take you to get to the next town is quite another.

[scumdog]

I'm with what loosebruce said earlier, time and place. Sometimes it's on, sometimes it's not. Luckily for me it's always been on so far :devil2:

Cops getting plates is a concern, not much point in running in those circumstances. But those numbers are real hard to read at 200k in the opp direction. And why do cops bother to even chase when you look at them at 190k, then put the hammer down as soon as their lights go on. Like hello, are they expecting me to stop and hand over my license? Duh!

I like people who say you can't outrun the radio, it proves that they know nothing about how the police work. There needs to be someone on the end of that radio who can take action that will result in you being busted. Putting out a call saying a biker is doing a runner down XXX road is one thing. Having a unit in the vicinity, and available, to block XXX road in the 37 seconds it's going to take you to get to the next town is quite another.

See my posting on the 'Job to make life easier' thread, sometimes you win-sometimes you lose.
We never lose 'cos we've nothing to lose.

[DEATH_INC.]

I don't even hesitate nowadays,I usta stop when it wasn't a big offence,but b/s cop stories and a loss of licence soon stopped that.

[froggyfrenchman]

yeah, watch out they dont get ur plate! a cop mate told me its $10,000 for not stoping for red and blue!

[Lou Girardin]

So it seems that this draconian new Policing regime makes runners more likely.
Who woulda thunk that?
Not LTNZ and Police that's for sure.

[Aaron]

1. If I knew the area well (enough)
2. If there was no plate identification
3. If I was exceeding the posted limit by 50 (loose licence)

Obviously out in the country on the ol' 250 I wouldn't run, but in town/suburbs, totally different story.

Nearly thought I might have to on Friday, heading down Cranford street, (just past Sniper's place actually), approaching a set of red lights at about 80, maintained speed till I was about 40 metres out before braking... hullo, police wagon is there waiting on the other side of the intersection.

Figured if the lights came on I'd hit the gas, he'd be trying to do a u'y in the middle of the intersection, I'd cut left and towards Papanui road, get lost in the back streets and pop out closer to Memorial Ave.

He didn't bother though so all sweet :devil2:

[madboy]

yeah, watch out they dont get ur plate! a cop mate told me its $10,000 for not stoping for red and blue!and 35 demerits. I'll relay to you the story of the last time I got caught doing a runner. Apologies to those I've bored with this story before. It was many years ago driving a cage (turbo rice rocket vs commo wagon).

Late at night doing 110 in 50 zone, cop comes around the corner, radar detector goes nuts. Oh dear. Do I stop and hand over license, or do I put my power to weight (and directional) advantage to the test? Hmm... well I pondered that thought as I nailed it, ears glued to the scanner (yep, I was a boi-racer once). Needless to say that chase was over before it began due to the geographical location.

Unfortunately for me, there happened to be four cars in the area in addition to the sargeant (way) behind me. One of those situations where the radio did win, because all escape routes were blocked within one minute. Being a fairly shy person, I didn't want to drive up someones driveway and hope they didn't notice a noisy black turbo jobbie droning away, so I told the guy next to me that we had been at Dan's place for the last hour (it was just down the road). He was fine with that.

Turned around, drove straight back to where a waiting cop car was and got the face mask ready.

"Thought you could get away?!"
"From what?"
"From us."
"What you on about?"... and so it went on. As I pointed out to them that my black 323 sedan bore no relation to the dark-coloured Subaru Legacy wagon that they were looking for, and I offered suggestions for which part of my anatomy they should pucker up for when I called the radio transcript in evidence, not to mention the PCA complaint for false arrest yada yada yada. So two of them immediately started searching the car, and after a couple of minutes discovered that by tracing the wire coming out of the cigarette lighter they could find the big black scanner clipped to the sunvisor.

Anyway - another took the passenger for a walk down the road out of earshot and suggested to him that he might not want to get charged with accessory to dangerous driving. And what did he say? "But we didn't see you turn your lights on!" Last time he rode the mighty GTX.

So I pled guilty to failing to stop for red and blues in court a few days later. The judge (or was it JP, don't recall) looked at my record and told me she could not apply leniency because this was my 2nd offence for this, and it occured only two weeks after I got my licence back from a 3mth demerit point stint!

What would the outcome be for 110k in a 50 had I stopped? Instant loss of licence 28 days, plus court summons, another 3-9months disq and a big arse fine? Not to mention a firm rogering from the insurance company.

What did I get for doing a runner and getting caught? I farked off outta there so quick they couldn't actually see me driving dangerously, so... Conviction for failing to stop, 35 demerits and $350 plus court costs.

I don't drive fast cars anymore, but you can tell which way I'm leaning EVERY time the po po look at me funny.

[Avignon]

I did a few runners when I was young and stupid. However today I just dont thinks its worth the risk, to your life, your licence and your liberty.

I got away 3 times and on the forth they put a roadblock in. 3 MOT cars (old days) across the road, including the footpaths. This was up a gulley with no side roads. I stopped and was amazed they didn't arrest me, but I was summoned to appear in court. They asked why I didnt stop. I said I didnt know they were behind me as my pipe was too loud. He promptly wrote me a ticket for a loud pipe as well then let me go. Anyhow, when I appeared in court I pleaded temporary insanity, the judge though it was a great laugh, said 'at least your honest' and fined me $300 no loss of licence. The 80's weren't all bad. Oneday I'll tell you how my friend got his licence . . .

[Skyryder]

Not too sure if this is classed as a runner but at Xmas time I was headed towards Taumranui in the National Park. Got stuck behind a stream of cars tha could not get past a semi trailor. Well to cut a long story short I weaved my way through the cars and only had the semi to pass. Now for those that know this road its a little on the twisty side. Not sharp but good easy curves. So I rolled back the throttle and was at that point of no return but who should come around the bend ahead of me but a HP car. (At this stage I just saw a car in the distance.) I'm clipping along somewhere in the area of 160 to 180 k's. Don't like being on the wrong side of the road for anyone and as little time as pos. By the time I got passed the semi and began slowing down the cop flashed. It had been over thirty years since I had been on this road and that was in a Sunbeam Talbot. I figured that I was bout 10k's outside Taumranui so I had choices. I could pull over and risk being hit by the stream of traffic that was behind me. I could do a runner with the excuse that if caught I could claim that I thought the cop was flashing the semi. By the time the cop u turned and got past the traffic flow even with his lights and siren on I could be pretty close to Taurmanui. If I gunned it for about three minutes I would be closer.

The chances of another cop in the vicinity was remote but it was a chance that I took.

So for about three minutes I gunned the bike then slowed down to 100 k's. Got into Taurmanui never saw the cop. No idea if he was after me or not. Stayed in T for three days..............walked most places or borrowed my mates car.

So if you are going to do a runner make sure you have a bloody good excuse if you get caught. And remember that's not for the cop but for the judge.


Skyryder

[Mumbles]

You got to weigh up the speed your doing and the consequences of that speed. If your going fast enough to lose your licence then what’s the failing to stop going to add to the equation? You can always say you where going too fast to see anything?
Me, I’m just plan chicken… and honest…. But when those blue and reds go on and its been one of those days you never know...

[Skyryder]

I did a few runners when I was young and stupid. However today I just dont thinks its worth the risk, to your life, your licence and your liberty.

I got away 3 times and on the forth they put a roadblock in. 3 MOT cars (old days) across the road, including the footpaths. This was up a gulley with no side roads. I stopped and was amazed they didn't arrest me, but I was summoned to appear in court. They asked why I didnt stop. I said I didnt know they were behind me as my pipe was too loud. He promptly wrote me a ticket for a loud pipe as well then let me go. Anyhow, when I appeared in court I pleaded temporary insanity, the judge though it was a great laugh, said 'at least your honest' and fined me $300 no loss of licence. The 80's weren't all bad. Oneday I'll tell you how my friend got his licence . . .

Some where on this forum is my story that I have never sat one.

Skyryder

[Indoo]

I don't drive fast cars anymore, but you can tell which way I'm leaning EVERY time the po po look at me funny.

I'd much rather you were leaning towards that fence post coming up at ya. I just hope you kill yourself not others, I doubt society would miss you much though.

[Brains]

I'm with you. Now shall we get out the nitty gritty of our stories?

I pulled a massive arse wheelie off a rise at 250km/h while I was being chased by the highway patrol. F***ing smoked the c***sucking pig. That'll teach him for trying to bust me for 190k past a school!!

By the way, my name is John Smith, I live at 123 Main Road, Wainui, my rego plate is 50SUK...

Easy there in the language and insinuations boyo, I'm a card carrying member of the c*** sucking/linking club :bleh: :bleh: , so don't you go associated my fellow brothers wtih those dip shit coppers. Ya hear :finger:

[mikey]

yeah, watch out they dont get ur plate! a cop mate told me its $10,000 for not stoping for red and blue!

fuck off, your a gullible frog.
a cop mate told me i could ride as fast as i want where ever i want, reckon you should try it!

you might get fined 10,000 but that would be at the upper limit (if it hasnt gone over) or you might get 20hours community service

[mikey]

i did this runner once, someone said theres one beer left in the fridge, turns out the cock was lying an there was two an i got the "while your up, grab us a beer...."

[Biff]

fuck off, your a gullible frog.
a cop mate told me i could ride as fast as i want where ever i want, reckon you should try it!


Nah Mikey you're wrong mate - If you do a runner and manage to get away, you've won. You're then suppossed to go to the local police station, tell them your name and address and the story behind your runner and you win some great prizes, including free accomodation, food, and prossibly even being used as someones bitch in the shower for a few months.

Honest...

[Sniper]

Nah Mikey you're wrong mate - If you do a runner and manage to get away, you've won. You're then suppossed to go to the local police station, tell them your name and address and the story behind your runner and you win some great prizes, including free accomodation, food, and prossibly even being used as someones bitch in the shower for a few months.

Honest...

I see you have read the brochure too?

[Toast]

Nah Mikey you're wrong mate - If you do a runner and manage to get away, you've won. You're then suppossed to go to the local police station, tell them your name and address and the story behind your runner and you win some great prizes, including free accomodation, food, and prossibly even being used as someones bitch in the shower for a few months.

Honest...

Apparently the resort is great too...mate of mine in secondary school reckoned that his Uncle robbed a gas station just so that he could go there...'cos the pies were way better than his wife's cooking. Supposedly they've even got XBOX these days too.

[Toast]

As for running...too law abiding? The law and morality aren't always aligned, and it's the latter judges my actions (sometimes fear of the former though). Sometimes stop, sometimes not.

[Quasievil]

I have and do if the conditions are right, ie Im caught speeding and the cop flashes his lights his brakes go on as he disappears around a slight bend, in front of me is a exit road I know and can take with ease to loose him without doing high speed, do I take it, FUCK YEAH, I had this scenario occur two months ago and didnt risk anything, I just made a left hand turn and disappeared.

If Im caught in a area where the is no opportunities like that I would prolly be pulled up waiting before the cop even turned around, I did this while getting my last ticket coming back from Welly 4 months ago. Didnt win any favours mind

[clint640]

I have and do if the conditions are right, ie Im caught speeding and the cop flashes his lights his brakes go on as he disappears around a slight bend, in front of me is a exit road I know and can take with ease to loose him without doing high speed, do I take it, FUCK YEAH, I had this scenario occur two months ago and didnt risk anything, I just made a left hand turn and disappeared.


Yeah, sometimes it's just too easy, If there is a cushion of traffic between you & mr plod, & the next sideroad is only a couple of km or less away it's a bit of a no brainer. Or so my outlaw biker friends say anyway... :whistle:
The old VFR was pretty nondescript tho, the KTM being a bit slower, big, loud(ish), bright orange & the only one of it's kind regularly ridden in these parts makes me a bit wary of such manuevers now.

Cheers
Clint

[Lou Girardin]

Just don't take the first left.

[Ixion]

Just don't take the first left.

Why not (purely out of intellectual curiosity)

[Biff]

I have and do if the conditions are right, ie Im caught speeding and the cop flashes his lights his brakes go on as he disappears around a slight bend, in front of me is a exit road I know and can take with ease to loose him without doing high speed, do I take it, FUCK YEAH, I had this scenario occur two months ago and didnt risk anything, I just made a left hand turn and disappeared.

If Im caught in a area where the is no opportunities like that I would prolly be pulled up waiting before the cop even turned around, I did this while getting my last ticket coming back from Welly 4 months ago. Didnt win any favours mind

Only once have I ever done a runner in NZ - and it was pretty much identical to your recent experience Quasi.

Not something I can see myself ever doing as a rule though. Well, at least until I get permanent residency here.

[**R1**]

Why not (purely out of intellectual curiosity)Coppers are trained to turn left as its an easy fast turn for the dude running to take,(think about riding on the road is left or right easier)? only applies if you are out of sight tho.

[Lou Girardin]

Why not (purely out of intellectual curiosity)

Because everyone takes the first left. Cops always check the left turns when the bike gets out of sight.

[Salival]

I'd probably go for a 'dash and hide' scenario if I could. If the cops are going the other way, you could reasonably say you didn't notice the flashing lights, drop into a side street and into a driveway behind a fence or something. If they find you, you 'must've got the wrong address' and 'didn't think you were flashing at me'.

Might work - might not. But hey...whatever. They couldn't prove beyond reasonable doubt that you saw them, or that you were running, could they?

[madboy]

...They couldn't prove beyond reasonable doubt that you saw them, or that you were running, could they?You've never been to court have you?! What the cops says goes. If the cop says you pulled a stand up wheelie while flashing him the bird at 160k then that's what the court believes you did. Truth is always the real victim in court. Reasonable doubt only applies if there is either a) conclusive video evidence proving otherwise, or b) your lawyer plays golf with the judge.

[mikey]

oh mr madboy, wheres the faith i nthe JUSTice on ice system?
i wonder if it works like WINZ do, how they get bonuses for the more samoans/maoris they get through, an get pay rises for the volume going through the system, so they get coppers to create obviously ficticous stories of me an madboy playing boy racer!

you all know it, boy racers are fucking cool! any of you punks wana driftn match goign down the nui hill on your bikes, my skyline would kick your arses, literally, i want to be a road maker an get stoned all day an create some wickedly cambered roads like they do an get paid!!!!!!!!

[froggyfrenchman]

oh mr madboy, wheres the faith i nthe JUSTice on ice system?
i wonder if it works like WINZ do, how they get bonuses for the more samoans/maoris they get through, an get pay rises for the volume going through the system, so they get coppers to create obviously ficticous stories of me an madboy playing boy racer!

you all know it, boy racers are fucking cool! any of you punks wana driftn match goign down the nui hill on your bikes, my skyline would kick your arses, literally, i want to be a road maker an get stoned all day an create some wickedly cambered roads like they do an get paid!!!!!!!!
Lets not go there eh?

[scumdog]

oh mr madboy, wheres the faith i nthe JUSTice on ice system?
i wonder if it works like WINZ do, how they get bonuses for the more samoans/maoris they get through, an get pay rises for the volume going through the system, so they get coppers to create obviously ficticous stories of me an madboy playing boy racer!

you all know it, boy racers are fucking cool! any of you punks wana driftn match goign down the nui hill on your bikes, my skyline would kick your arses, literally, i want to be a road maker an get stoned all day an create some wickedly cambered roads like they do an get paid!!!!!!!!

Shit mate, you must have TWO cocks - ya can't get that silly playing with just ONE!!!!:bleh: :wait: !!