Wellington Buckets, round 3 [Archive]

Sketchy_Racer

12th September 2005, 17:14

what a beautiful days racing is all i can say!!!

my account of the days racing,

Practice:
i went out on ma new FXR150 with fishie out on his DRZ400 clearing the stones of the track, being the first time on my new bike i was just chilling it then Ivan cam out and we had a little bit of a battle, but he's only got a 50 so ma 150 ate it down the straights. the track was mint and dry as a bone (which comes once a year in the Hutt) so i could start seeing what the bike was going to do, the practice was really long and i spent ages out there just getting used to it

Race 1
i got a mint start and got out in front of everyone only to be over taken buy Fishie, Jay and Bayden on turn one!!! i kept trying to stay up with them but my riding skills and tires just wernt up to it!! og well i ended up being by myself for a while when a guy (dont know his name, rides a RG/MB 100 its black) came flying past me down the straight!!! his bike is so farking fast!!! i ended up 5th in the end so was quite pleased

Race 2
i didnt get my usual great start but got into about 8th i think, this racce i was determined to get at least fifth but it just didnt happen!!! i ended up losing the back end so bad that i wasm completly side ways, peg on the ground opposite lock and on the limiter!! but by the grace of god or something it stayed up :clap: i got past two people to end up 6th i think

we didnt have any more races cause we couldnt be bothered lol but it was great to see some new faces out there and having a blast. for next time i think i will get me some new stick slicks!!!!

Slingshot

12th September 2005, 17:56

I popped down to have a look....It was cool!!

We didn't stay for too long but long enough to see what it was about and to get me even more keen.

Now I gotta find me a bucket!

Sketchy_Racer

12th September 2005, 18:46

hey slingshot i think i saw you there were you on your CBR??? oh and i have a rolling RG50 chassis for sale $150 if that interests you it has all the stuff all ya need is an engine!!! and it has 17s front and rear the backs a little skinny tho! pm me if want it or anyone else slingshot gets the first choice tho

cheers Glenn

Skunk

12th September 2005, 18:50

Sorry I didn't meet you RG, met some of the others.

Now I gotta find me a bucket!The offer stands... or were you looking for a decent one? :rofl:

I enjoyed myself while the gearbox worked; last every race I think but my average lap speed was up 5kph at the end of the day while the max speed didn't change.

Now to learn how to ride. :wait:

Don't you guys have 'L' plates?

hey slingshot i think i saw you there were you on your CBR??? oh and i have a rolling RG50 chassis for sale $150 if that interests you it has all the stuff all ya need is an engine!!! and it has 17s front and rear the backs a little skinny tho! pm me if want it or anyone else slingshot gets the first choice tho

cheers GlennI'd be interested in a front disc setup and wheels - I have forks already.
Don't have a spare $150 at the moment either else I'd take the whole thing. :ride:

Sketchy_Racer

12th September 2005, 18:54

hey skunk i saw ya on ya AX 100 i was quite impressed as to how fast you were going on that, well lets just say mint condition ancient bike!! :) you may have seen me i was on the fxr doing the drifties at the end of the racing and im that guy thats all over the track cause i can never get deacent line!! hope you had fun and hope to see you at the next meeting

cheers Glenn

Sketchy_Racer

12th September 2005, 18:56

i have a wheel and disk and caliper if you want it skunk...

Skunk

12th September 2005, 19:03

i have a wheel and disk and caliper if you want it skunk...PM on it's way to ya... I saw two FXR's out there while Jay was out on the Bandit... Can't tell them apart now but from memory one was more complete/standard.

Slingshot

12th September 2005, 19:04

Cheers guys.

Sorry Skunk...I'm not so keen on the a100...those skinny wheels scare the crap out of me.

And Glenn, that was me on the CBR. I might have a rolling chassis lined up but if that falls through and you still have one available I might be keen (if anyone gets in before that's all good though).

What's the general feeling about building a bucket from a 250cc chassis and dropping an appropriate engine in? Are they too heavy or can you get away with it?

Sketchy_Racer

12th September 2005, 19:05

sweet yea the complete standard is mine and the other isnt a FXR its a CBR150RR imported from tailand!!!

Sketchy_Racer

12th September 2005, 19:09

hey slingshot, no worrys about the chassis, so did ya like the CBr??? when i rode it it wasnt as fast as i thought it would be!! yea me and nathan have good battles on it tho!!! and about the 250 chassis thats what heaps of ghuys do bayden has one fishie has one heaps have them and in general they handle pretty good

Ivan

12th September 2005, 19:37

Am heading out to the shed to work on the motor now I have a Key for it now YES and I have some video footage of your bike but all I can remeber is you almost taking my head of Glen I got video of me on the FXR150 I look like a fool lol So furking slow round the corners and crank it down the straights my usal style hanging my ass of the seat. Oh well better get to work so I can kick all of your asses :woohoo:

Ivan

12th September 2005, 19:39

Im classed as a bad bad an on this

Kickaha

12th September 2005, 20:52

by myself for a while when a guy (dont know his name, rides a RG/MB 100 its black) came flying past me down the straight!!! his bike is so farking fast!!!

as a guess I'd say Speedpro?

Sketchy_Racer

12th September 2005, 20:56

yea i thinks thats him his bike goes like a rocket man ....braaaap zzzzzoom

Ivan

12th September 2005, 21:02

Yeah that thing is pretty fast but so is youre bike once you modify it to go faster youll be kicking ass

Skunk

12th September 2005, 21:25

as a guess I'd say Speedpro?It was him, pulling power stands on the straight too... :Punk:

speedpro

12th September 2005, 21:42

Well what a great day. Somewhere new to race and new peeps to do it with. EVERYONE owes Bayden a big thank you for organising such a great day. The barby and drinks went down well. I don't know what's in those green drinks but yeehah! I felt way more into-it after just one. Still not too sure about those little stones but it they didn't seem to cause any problems, specially later when a "line" was starting to show on the surface. I had more problem running over the edge of the tyres. I watched a 50 race and waited the whole race for Jay to lose it but it never happened. Good tyres and he uses them.
Interesting the differances to Auckland, both in riders, bikes and attitude. All good, just different.
I had a great time, now all I need is a bunch of skate wheels and bits of chopping board before the next Kaitoke meeting.
I hope someone can come up with a street circuit as suggested by Bayden. Foxton was fun when we ran there, even in the rain with the river flooding right up to the side of the road. Just don't get one with that really coarse chip surface.

Slingshot

12th September 2005, 21:48

so did ya like the CBr??? when i rode it it wasnt as fast as i thought it would be!!

To be honest...I don't remember seeing the CBR. Post some pics.

Sparky Bills

12th September 2005, 21:57

I saw two FXR's out there while Jay was out on the Bandit... .

The Bandit??
I didnt think you were allowed that sort of bike out there?

I gotta get in to this! Sounds like a bit of fun.
Plus I gotta show Speedpro how to really ride (and a few new tricks) :Punk: .
Gotta sort out transport first. I dont think one would fit on the R1.

riffer

12th September 2005, 22:17

Hey Speedpro - you were on the black number 6 bike weren't you.

Crikey mate that bikes got some pep. First time I've ever seen a bucket wheelying down a straight...

Slingshot - you were there when we arrived but I was preoccupied showing Tim and his mate the bikes while Gini was trying not to look too bored while pushing Nick around in the stroller.

Anyway, you buggered off before I got to say hi - so "hi" now.

I'll catch up with you next time. Tim loves going to see the buckets. But I'm afraid the motards have ruined it for him. He's now demanding a PW50 with two sets of tyres .... <sighs> kids...</sighs>

Skunk

13th September 2005, 07:19

The Bandit??
I didnt think you were allowed that sort of bike out there?
I gotta get in to this! Sounds like a bit of fun.That was after the racing was over mate, settle down.... besides, I never said what engine it had did I? :rofl:

Sparky Bills

13th September 2005, 09:03

That was after the racing was over mate, settle down.... besides, I never said what engine it had did I? :rofl:

Settle down!! SETTLE DOWN!!!!!!
IM VERY CALM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I ALWAYS AM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

:rofl:

I dont think it really matter what engine he had in it, He would have kicked ass either way. :Punk:

Skunk

13th September 2005, 09:24

I dont think it really matter what engine he had in it, He would have kicked ass either way. :Punk:Oh Yeah! :Punk:

Sketchy_Racer

13th September 2005, 11:37

Ivan

13th September 2005, 13:24

He's a legend on wheels one of those one of sort of riders

Slingshot

13th September 2005, 17:31

Slingshot - you were there when we arrived but I was preoccupied showing Tim and his mate the bikes while Gini was trying not to look too bored while pushing Nick around in the stroller.

Yeah I saw you wandering around...I was gonna pop over and say hi...next time maybe.

F5 Dave

13th September 2005, 17:38

yea jays one fast guy alright...and i have never seen him fall off by his own mistake at the buckets only when he has been hit!!! he is so consistent with his cornering lines, i have two photos of the same corner with him in it...the only way you can tell the difference is because there is the back wheel of someone elses bike in it. he was in exactly the same palce on the same corner every time!!

hmm, I've seen him fall off,-Gmtrs a couple of meetings back, but no mistake he was hitting me at the time, I was infront.

Those stones are scary. As I said before in other post my RG died so I packed up after a cursory look. - Only later to find the carb had been spat out of the manifold. :rofl: Never happened before in 10 years of running that setup.

Bring back Kiatoke. & hopefully a Blenheim meeting labour weekend or thereabouts.

Sketchy_Racer

13th September 2005, 18:03

yea those stones can get ya eh.... i had one 'moment' with them on sunday argh!!!!
anyway where would you get a RS125 chassis from?? im looking for a good chassis to put my 100cc engine in to.....

Ivan

13th September 2005, 19:14

yea those stones can get ya eh.... i had one 'moment' with them on sunday argh!!!!
anyway where would you get a RS125 chassis from?? im looking for a good chassis to put my 100cc engine in to.....

Now your getting a little to tricky Glen, I might have to get me a RS125 chassis for my 100 motor and we can have the wannabe 125GP class for a bit of a laugh I mean my bikes not gonna be the same as you remebered it Glen its gonna have all the work done to it (If I get round to Tuning it). I think if we get enough RS/TZ housed bikes we could run a Wannabe 125GP class.

Sketchy_Racer

13th September 2005, 20:46

Yea!! a 125 gp wannabe lol that would be good fun....now only gots to gets me a Rs125 chassis!!

speedpro

13th September 2005, 21:40

Yea!! a 125 gp wannabe lol that would be good fun....now only gots to gets me a Rs125 chassis!!
I'd be into that. Got all the bits for the new motor and the chassis as well. Finding time to finish welding the engine mounts etc could be a bit of a problem at the moment though.

Sketchy_Racer

14th September 2005, 08:04

oh thats not fair you have a rs chassis!!! where would you find one and how much?? or is it one of those 'fluke' things that you only find once every so often?/..

F5 Dave

14th September 2005, 09:50

You usually find them slinking around the docks late at night & they can be enticed home with the smell of Castrol A747. :sherlock:

Hmm, a disguise may be in order, : :psst: : maybe a long blond wig, bicycle shorts & whistling sea shanties. That should sort you out young-fella-me-lad.
Don't forget to ask for the money first. :rofl:

Ivan

14th September 2005, 18:04

Sherlock Trutrum

Sketchy_Racer

15th September 2005, 20:54

ok...yea i guess in all that mumbo that i didnt understand, that your saying that they are hard to find then??? but any decent chassis will be good probably a 250cc sporsbike chassis will be the best.

as for my FXR i have removed all the fairings bucause i thought thay looked ugly and you dont need them for buckets as you dont go fast enough and i have put on a ram air pipe front of the bike into the air box, it made a huge difference, heaps more 'pull' once you get past 50kph!!!! YAY. i will try post some pics of my $500 beast some time soon.

Sketchy_Racer

15th September 2005, 21:11

heres some photos

Ivan

15th September 2005, 21:12

ok...yea i guess in all that mumbo that i didnt understand, that your saying that they are hard to find then??? but any decent chassis will be good probably a 250cc sporsbike chassis will be the best.

Yeah go for NSR or FZR CBR etc anything aluminium why dont you score an MB100 chassis they are pretty good just fitted motor in myne but engine mounts on motor are hitting chassis!! AGGGHH it is annoying me just set carb up to race set up and Am going to uncles workshop to do the rest this weeknd whish I had my restricted I would take it to work and do it all there

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as for my FXR i have removed all the fairings bucause i thought thay looked ugly and you dont need them for buckets as you dont go fast enough and i have put on a ram air pipe front of the bike into the air box, it made a huge difference, heaps more 'pull' once you get past 50kph!!!! YAY. i will try post some pics of my $500 beast some time soon.[/QUOTE]

Your bike looked like a mad beast with the fairings you also do use them without even knowing it they work as areodynamics cutting the wond to push you through it

Sketchy_Racer

15th September 2005, 21:15

yea they work as cutting the wind but only really come into effect ofter about 100 kph tho and as jay said to me they weigh heaps and i can sell them for a little bit of money :)

Ivan

15th September 2005, 21:27

yea they work as cutting the wind but only really come into effect ofter about 100 kph tho and as jay said to me they weigh heaps and i can sell them for a little bit of money :)

your not talking much wieght only 5 kgs max buckets dont matter bout wieght i raced with everything in my first season until I highsided it and smashed it all off

Sketchy_Racer

15th September 2005, 21:30

na not really but the cracks on it were really pissing me off!!!! plus when i put the handle bars down it got in the way and i was going to have to do some extensive chopping...

Ivan

15th September 2005, 21:36

na not really but the cracks on it were really pissing me off!!!! plus when i put the handle bars down it got in the way and i was going to have to do some extensive chopping...

Oh I see nah your bikes some wicked shit i want one in a RG or RS Chassis I am going to see Nathan about his 125 4 smoke for opens so I can powerslide and tune the shit out of the AX100

Sketchy_Racer

15th September 2005, 21:39

bayden might have a RG250 chassis for sale complete with engine etc

Ivan

15th September 2005, 21:43

bayden might have a RG250 chassis for sale complete with engine etc

The silver bullet?

Sketchy_Racer

15th September 2005, 21:47

na not the one he races, thats a RG'V', this is just the RG chassis old pig of a thing

Ivan

15th September 2005, 21:51

na not the one he races, thats a RG'V', this is just the RG chassis old pig of a thing

I cant afford any more bikes need me a shed to hire or an apprenticeship was going to have a bike mechanic apprenticeship but that fall through so am chasing an engineering apprenticeship and guess what they have a tig welder to make alloy RS replica chassis

Ivan

15th September 2005, 21:55

Hey glen theres some pics of you at nzmcn.tripod.com under photos archive and theres one of me

F5 Dave

16th September 2005, 09:47

Haha, you guys are funny. :rofl:

Forced air induction won’t make any difference until high speeds, but you don’t have a sealed airbox anyway so there can be no pressurisation. Can there?. . . No.
The only benefit can be cooler air, but more likely just the induction noise closer to your ears.

Many tests done & aerodynamics don’t count for squat until ~ 80kph & on short tracks we spend little time past there.

Weight however is king. That’s why my bike is so light. I weigh 75kg & I can’t do too much about that, but my bike is super lightweight.

Let’s assume that your bike makes 10hp & weighs 100kg with you on it (for ease of math).
That means your power to weight ratio is 0.1hp/kg

if you & the bike weigh 150kg it is 0.066hp/kg.
to get equal the first bike you would have to tune the power to 15hp for the same acceleration (making some assumptions).

Get the scales & calculators out guys & pay more attn at school. :hitcher:

oh yeah & if you are bitching about getting your engine in a large MB chassis then maybe you should get an RS. They don't exactly fall in -trust me on this.

Ivan

16th September 2005, 19:20

oh yeah & if you are bitching about getting your engine in a large MB chassis then maybe you should get an RS. They don't exactly fall in -trust me on this.

Thats what we want if you read back abit but they are bloody hard to find im not stripping my RS125 down for buckets cause its to mint and the MB100 chassis if you read the post recognise this nayone actually won the NZ 125GP title with a CR125 engine in it plus im not bitching just feeling abit annoyed at the time

Sketchy_Racer

16th September 2005, 21:36

Hey Dave
fully with you about the weight thing thats why im trying to rid as much weight off my bike as possible, but the way the air box is designed on the fxr, there is no where for the air to get sucked except a 2 mm gap between the air filter and the tank, so i cut a hole in the air filter box and hot melt glued some 100mm pipe going into a scoop at the front of the bike and i do believe it made a difference. when i was doing time trials down my street in i got 1 second faster doing 100 metres(i did 6 runs then took average) just by putting the hole in the box but i havent gone out and tried it with the scoop though, will be interesting to see the difference.

Ivan

17th September 2005, 14:45

Hey sounds good Glen Nathan thinks his CBR will kick your bikes ass now cause he has put a new Carb on it. I still think your bike will beat it will be good to watch you 2 racing hard out out there. And he is doing his MB100 motor right up I still have to get round to welding up my new brackets then test start it. Do you know if the motor has been run in or not

F5 Dave

18th September 2005, 11:59

Thats what we want if you read back abit but they are bloody hard to find im not stripping my RS125 down for buckets cause its to mint and the MB100 chassis if you read the post recognise this nayone actually won the NZ 125GP title with a CR125 engine in it plus im not bitching just feeling abit annoyed at the time

The RS chassis was designed with a CR125 engine to fit as that is what the early RS125 engine was. A modified CR125. Problem is due to their oddball narrow rear engine sprocket not much else fits without serious engineering.
I put an MB100 in an RS chassis about 6 years ago now. It wasn’t a success & needs to be redone + the engine got killed in the process thus quashing my motivation. One day when I have some time I’ll finish it, things keep getting in the way though.

Hey Dave
fully with you about the weight thing thats why im trying to rid as much weight off my bike as possible, but the way the air box is designed on the fxr, there is no where for the air to get sucked except a 2 mm gap between the air filter and the tank, so i cut a hole in the air filter box and hot melt glued some 100mm pipe going into a scoop at the front of the bike and i do believe it made a difference. when i was doing time trials down my street in i got 1 second faster doing 100 metres(i did 6 runs then took average) just by putting the hole in the box but i havent gone out and tried it with the scoop though, will be interesting to see the difference.

So what you are saying is that the airbox is restrictive. This isn’t surprising as it cuts down on noise. Further you’ve likely leaned the mixture & it was probably rich std bringing another increase. But you’re not ‘ramming’ air into it so don’t get excited about a scoop.

At least you are basing your decision on a fairly objective & measurable improvement.

Ivan

18th September 2005, 12:17

Sketchy_Racer

18th September 2005, 12:35

hey

thats a good photo of you there ivan,

yea F5 dave, i read it in the FXR forum and it says that it makes a big improvement and it did,

cheers

Glenn

Ivan

18th September 2005, 12:50

I like that photo

Sketchy_Racer

18th September 2005, 12:54

are those the photos off tripod?? cause i couldnt find them

Sketchy_Racer

18th September 2005, 13:08

here is a photo of what they told you to do on the FXR forum

Ivan

18th September 2005, 13:12

are those the photos off tripod?? cause i couldnt find them

Yeah they are from him but not on his site I know him well he is a family friend I can ask for picks of you from him when I see him or talk to him next

Sketchy_Racer

18th September 2005, 13:21

can you give me the link to the page with the pics on it??

Ivan

18th September 2005, 13:24

can you give me the link to the page with the pics on it??

sure http://nzmcn.tripod.com/id2.html

Sketchy_Racer

18th September 2005, 13:35

there is a couple of good photos there eh..

Ivan

18th September 2005, 13:45

sure are laters

F5 Dave

19th September 2005, 09:22

Hey Dave,

You know so much about tuning on the buckets did you learn all that through the two stroke performance tuning book. Do you have a fleet of RS125 chassis if you do are you willing to sell any as I would really be interested in one they are so natural. You feel like the bike is made for you. Does anyone know how many rounds are left and does anyone know if the points have been updated yet

Heres a picture from the last meeting but keep in mind that it is copyright to NZMCNEWS nzmcn.tripod.com

Pic 1: The starting grid of the open class from what I can see I see RG100!! and me dont know if theres anymore of you guys in there as I dont really know anyone off of here

Pic 2: Is me cranking it over

That book helped but just reading anything I could find & then trying stuff & spending a lot of time thinking about it & trying more stuff. A lot of stuff didn't work. I ran out of room so I had to throw about 4 RSs in the dump, didn't think anyone would want them as they were newer model ones.

Re the FXR forums. Bear in mind just because you read something on the internet doesn't mean it is true. There are a lot of 5 min experts out here who think they know what they are talking about (me included), so always be aware the person who posted could be as clueless as anyone else but know how to write a good report & post it with pics. If they have had results maybe they don't know why.

Ivan

19th September 2005, 10:01

I ran out of room so I had to throw about 4 RSs in the dump, didn't think anyone would want them as they were newer model ones.

If you go to get rid of any more pm me and i will get one of off you

F5 Dave

19th September 2005, 11:05

oh come on, you didn't believe that did you?

bungbung

19th September 2005, 11:29

I read about this guy on the internet who had too many RS's to fit in his garage. He had to throw them away because they were the shitty new ones that no-one wants.

F5 Dave

19th September 2005, 11:34

Yeah, they were 6 deep at the dump as well, had to hide them under a pile of Marvic wheels as the dump didn't want to take any more.

Ivan

19th September 2005, 13:50

Yeah, they were 6 deep at the dump as well, had to hide them under a pile of Marvic wheels as the dump didn't want to take any more.

To be honest I did actually believe you to start with. So what is the MB100 housed RS125 want to get rid of that

F5 Dave

19th September 2005, 14:40

Tis this

& no.

Ivan

19th September 2005, 14:55

Tis this

& no.

Cool I thought MBS were aircooled that one has a water pump after Market? Nah you have some awsome race bikes what happened to your old bucket the RG50 housed 50 that looked allright seemed to go like stink I might be running my bike in a RS chassis now but not a Honda RS a a Aprillia RS50 this one here

Photo NZMCNEWS nzmcn.tripod.com

F5 Dave

19th September 2005, 15:05

MBs are aircooled, they also don't have full reed induction or a rear engine cut to fit a RS engine mount, or a waterpump. It's a lot of work to make them so. Even more to finish them to the point of racing. One day. . .

RG chassis sold & in auckland racing. Engine obviously in RS along with the wheels etc.

Sketchy_Racer

19th September 2005, 19:04

bastard!!!
there is a 95 RS125 complete on trade me at the moment for 2000 im looking at, not for buckets obvously but is that a reasonable price?? its all ready to race, just hasnt been run for a couple of years so will need new tires piston, rings and should be good to go

any thoughts??

Ivan

19th September 2005, 20:12

Sketchy_Racer

19th September 2005, 20:33

hey dave is that water pump running of the kickstart idle gear?? thats one cool looking 'contraption' you got there

F5 Dave

20th September 2005, 09:33

nah, that was going to be the wrong direction, it's straight off the clutch from memory I hunted for ages to find the right gear to drive it & a micro bearing offset bored. I've started the bike but not tried the waterpump yet but it should be geared the same as the donor bike the pump came from

Sketchy_Racer

20th September 2005, 18:16

so has it it had any porting??? cause it looks like one serious piece of machinery. why water cool it tho?? would the air cooling not do a good enough job?

F5 Dave

20th September 2005, 19:01

Can't move for extra ports. Watercooling is always more consistant tempurature wise, which means you can run closer to the edge with tolerances, compression, jetting & ignition. That's why everything modern is watercooled, mx bikes etc all went water in '81.

Sketchy_Racer

20th September 2005, 20:32

true that, and you can tell if its over heating as well, did you do this work of was some already done when you got it??

speedpro

20th September 2005, 21:23

Buckets I've watercooled have always been consistent with their performance - fast at the start of the race and fast at the end. Ask anyone who has done it though and they will all tell you the same thing - creating/building/fitting a waterpump is one hell of a job. I made my last one from scratch and it was a mission and was changed heaps before it worked real well. You can do a thermo-siphon job on an MB though as the barrel is nicely sloped forward. I did an AC50 like that years ago and it worked real well and was so simple.

F5 Dave

21st September 2005, 10:22

I did it myself bar the welding (& some milling to speed things up). Problem was the guy welding it made a hash job & stuffed it all. To make it - worse it was a brand new barrel, never had a piston in it that I scored for $70. That made me sick & hence the prolapsed state of the bike.

I decided to graft on an NSR waterpump running at the normal gearing & direction so it should be just peachy, maybe even too good, but you can lessen efficiency & drag by spacing the cover out with some gasket.