New speed restriction trials

[awa355]

Here we go, Wont need wet weather performance tyres soon, The gubbermit has new ideas to keep us safe.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/10638068/Weather-activated-speed-signs-trial-signalled

[5150]

So what happens when you go past the sign and it read 100, then it changes to 8- or less and you get pulled over, how does anyone prove what the sign read?

Load of bollocks if you ask me

[awa355]

9000 vehicles a day on a major road doing 60kph on the Kaimais? ( half of them being truck and trailer combos). What a money earner, no mention of these speed traps in the pre election transport policies.

The trucks will still be doing 60k in the slow lane, so no one could legally pass them anyway.

[jellywrestler]

Here we go, Wont need wet weather performance tyres soon, The gubbermit has new ideas to keep us safe.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/10638068/Weather-activated-speed-signs-trial-signalled

so a man goes hunting for the weekend, the speed limit changes and he gets nabbed.....

[Scuba_Steve]

Another $$$aftey initiative from imbeciles that have no clue about road safety

[SPman]

We'll all be on electric pushbikes before long!


Oh wait - I am.........

[willytheekid]

All I read was "$$Cha-Ching$$!!"

Revenue before actual road safety as usual folks :yes:

...Oh well, guess it won't be long till they have pissed off EVERYONE in NZ with there High-Tech revenue collection, that regular use of Herf of guns an such on there expensive wee toys will start becoming the norm...imagine the cost to replace all that fried gear constantly...could be budget crippling...aye:shifty:

(hard to stop or detect the use of an EMP!...and there pritty damn easy to make!)


...Lets see them Fudge there books to cover those sort of losses! :killingme


Over the current NZ Police direction sorry(Always held them in the highest regard), But they just seem to be thinking & acting like Jakeboot-thugs & Revenue Collectors for those with big enough check books or positions of power...they certainly do not serve the people of NZ like they used to, they just grudgingly do a half arsed job till there's an opportunity to power trip or take from the average kiwi...time for a private police force perhaps, or time to remind them who's interests they are meant to serve...the people's!, not the Governments! and not the corporate's!!....for shame, they used to be respected by most average kiwis, now, just ask the average kiwi if they trust the police, its a resounding NO!

[GrayWolf]

All I read was "$$Cha-Ching$$!!"

Revenue before actual road safety as usual folks :yes:

...Oh well, guess it won't be long till they have pissed off EVERYONE in NZ with there High-Tech revenue collection, that regular use of Herf of guns an such on there expensive wee toys will start becoming the norm...imagine the cost to replace all that fried gear constantly...could be budget crippling...aye:shifty:

(hard to stop or detect the use of an EMP!...and there pritty damn easy to make!)


...Lets see them Fudge there books to cover those sort of losses! :killingme


Over the NZ Police sorry(Always held them in the highest regard), But they just seem to be acting like Jakeboot-thugs & Revenue Collectors for those with big enough check books or positions of power...they certainly do not serve the people of NZ like they used to, they just grudgingly do a half arsed job till there's an opportunity to power trip or take from the average kiwi...time for a private police force perhaps, or time to remind them who's interests they are meant to serve...the people's!, not the Governments! and not the corporate's!!....for shame, they used to be respected by most average kiwis, now, just ask the average kiwi if they trust the police, its a resounding NO!

Just remember ONE thing Willy

a private Popo would HAVE to 'revenue collect' ..... the $$ Ka-CHING $$ we are experiencing would be a pittance to that scenario?

However, as usual, the few always know what is best for the 'masses'.. thats why they are in 'power' and the masses arent... after all, you DID vote them in, employ them, etc, because you accepted they would 'look after' your interests... :rolleyes:

Must go, Porcine Airlines has just called my boarding pass. :cool:

[cynna]

keep your eyes on the damn road not looking for hidden cops, speed cameras and now these changing signs

[Old Steve]

Aren't you all wondering why these signs are being considered on this stretch of road. There must be enough idiots who charge up in the rain and come off to have identified this as a dangerous piece of road in adverse weather.

It's a case of the few who can't ride responsibly ruining a wonderful piece of road for the rest of us.

Mind you, I've crawled up the western side at about 30 to 40 km/hr, wet to the bone, rain so heavy that the drops were bouncing off the road surface as high as my headlight, water running 2 - 3 inches (50 to 75 mm for you modern Johnnies) across the road.

But when I finally fall off the perch, I want to be cremated, my ashes put in a box with a plugged hole in it, the box strapped on someone's pillion rack, the plug pulled out just on the Tauranga side of where SH28 turns off towards Putaruru at the bottom, and my ashes scattered up the eastern side of the Kaimais. Going up the eastern side of the Kaimais always meant, "You're nearly home, make the most of this lovely piece of road!"

[Scuba_Steve]

(hard to stop or detect the use of an EMP!...and there pritty damn easy to make!)


But not very contained; is the chance of collateral damage worth it? Guess that's upto the individual

[R650R]

But when I finally fall off the perch, I want to be cremated, my ashes put in a box with a plugged hole in it, the box strapped on someone's pillion rack, the plug pulled out just on the Tauranga side of where SH28 turns off towards Putaruru at the bottom, and my ashes scattered up the eastern side of the Kaimais. Going up the eastern side of the Kaimais always meant, "You're nearly home, make the most of this lovely piece of road!"

You might want to pick a different spot with the number of people that have met a grisly end at that intersection. Not the safest of places for your friends and family to stop with flowers at a later date etc...


This move is another classic kneejerk reaction by office dwellers spending public money to make it look like they are effecting a result for road safety.
There's already plenty of slow drivers on this route acting as defacto safety cars slowing the pace of traffic.
We already have laws around careless/reckless/dangerous driving etc so there is no need to add another law or limit to break to the others that are being ignored already. This will do nothing but frustrate the impatient amongst us into doing something stupid up the road. And their are plenty of black spots to the left and ahead to Te Poi and Matamata, let alone the decent into Tauriko.
Its a beautiful flowing road with well designed curves for the most part that seem to work for all vehicle types.
BTW if people think this is bad there have already been plans for some years to make SH2 from Paeroa to Tauranga an 80k zone with the awesome Karangahape gorge to be turned into a tourist/cyclist/pedestrian friendly zone.
Wouldn't be a great time to be a shareholder in Port of Taurange/mount or property owner in same region with many Auckland high flyers commuting from there.

Here's another example of same nonsense, this time with red paint on the road!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/10654246/Aucklands-red-road-stripes-confuse-drivers

[Dave-]

Here's another example of same nonsense, this time with red paint on the road!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/10654246/Aucklands-red-road-stripes-confuse-drivers

What is wrong with the Aucklanders they interviewed in that article?

Do they even drive?

[Gremlin]

What is wrong with the Aucklanders they interviewed in that article?

Do they even drive?
Oh don't worry about that. Red paint at intersections (red isn't a calming colour), and yeah, I'm always worried about cars backing out of driveways in intersections (can only think of one roundabout where there is a driveway on it - and not in that area). So anyway, all that paint, no explanation... fucked up from beginning to end.

No mention of actually fixing the problem of cars not stopping at a stop sign. Stick a cop car there, I know plenty where they won't be able to catch everyone...

[haydes55]

What is wrong with the Aucklanders they interviewed in that article?



Do they even drive?


What is wrong with the bureaucrat that decided a few stripes of red paint will prevent crashes? Reckon if we elect someone like Greg Murphy to work as transport minister things would change?

[R650R]

What is wrong with the bureaucrat that decided a few stripes of red paint will prevent crashes? Reckon if we elect someone like Greg Murphy to work as transport minister things would change?

Hell no. He might be fast on a track but none of that relates to real safety on public roads. Now the overly officious clerk of the course at any race circuit, now that's who you want in charge. Someone who understands consequences for failing to act.

[nerrrd]

Here's another example of same nonsense, this time with red paint on the road!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/10654246/Aucklands-red-road-stripes-confuse-drivers

Obviously a Split Enz fan - I see red, I see red, I see red. Wondered what the hell they were for, honestly what a waaaassste of everybody's time and effort (and money) that looks like. These guys are geniuses!

What with judder bars everywhere and no more discretionary right turns (so you sit for ages on a red arrow when there's nothing coming the other way) it's not surprising the traffic is slowing down so much and congestion is getting worse. I smell consultants...all care and no responsibility. How many traffic lights are there in New Lynn again? Morons.

[Akzle]

...Oh well, guess it won't be long till they have pissed off EVERYONE in NZ with there High-Tech revenue collection,

and then what? they'll park up in ponsonby and have a fucking venti white mocha frappe in protest? :p

NZ are sheep. remember, this is advertised as "for your own good" and 99% of un-zudders are stupid enough to believe it. not to mention the 80% of fuckwits who crash modern vehicles in good weather and still manage to fuck up someone's day.

[oneofsix]

and then what? they'll park up in ponsonby and have a fucking venti white mocha frappe in protest? :p

NZ are sheep. remember, this is advertised as "for your own good" and 99% of un-zudders are stupid enough to believe it. not to mention the 80% of fuckwits who crash modern vehicles in good weather and still manage to fuck up someone's day.

And your suggestion is? Do nothing as long as it doesn't affect you, right?

I have no problem with them being advisory but there is no way they should be regulatory. A road has a maximum speed, the speed limit, reduction come under driving to the conditions and should only be advisory as some fat controller sitting on his fat arse can't adjust the signs to the conditions as quickly as the person on the road, can't measure them the same neither.

[Akzle]

And your suggestion is? Do nothing as long as it doesn't affect you, right?


what suggestion needed??
Let fuckwits kill themselves, hell, help them out.

[awayatc]

We accept the treatment we think we deserve......

various populations on this globe really know how to protest, and disrupt daily life....

not NZ....

we just bend over and accept...

whinge like fuck...

but accepting we do.....

[ryanstev]

I'm assuming those red stripes are only at stop signs, so are there to help the blind see that they need to stop, not give way.

I wonder what those are like to stop at for bikes though.

[swbarnett]

It's a case of the few who can't ride responsibly ruining a wonderful piece of road for the rest of us.
Yes, and no.

While it is true that if EVERY rider riding to the conditions (which includes their own ability) the idiot safety zealots would have no excuse for their stupidity it is also true that if the idiot safety zealot would just mind their own damn business we wouldn't have a problem.

OUR problem (the responsible riders that is) is directly attributable to the safety zealots' meadling and only indirectly to the bad riders.

[swbarnett]

Hell no. He might be fast on a track but none of that relates to real safety on public roads. Now the overly officious clerk of the course at any race circuit, now that's who you want in charge. Someone who understands consequences for failing to act.
Mr. Murphy is the biggest idiot safety zealot I've seen. He doesn't even understand basic physics.

[yevjenko]

France has two speed limits on highways. One for dry weather one for wet. They've had it for years

[yevjenko]

There's 22 signs in that short site so you can't really miss them if they do change

[swbarnett]

France has two speed limits on highways. One for dry weather one for wet. They've had it for years
That's a damn sight simpler than what's happening here. Pretty easy to look at the road and see that it's wet.


There's 22 signs in that short site so you can't really miss them if they do change
From what I read there'll only be three electronic signs in this trial.

[Moise]

Way past time for a road tunnel. Nothing they can do will ever make the road on the west side safe.

[Berries]

Yay, bring back Limited Speed Zones. They worked so well they are all over the place these days..........


I smell consultants...all care and no responsibility.
Ha ha, go and get fucked. We tell them what they want to hear and you pay us $200 an hour.

:doobey:

[yevjenko]

That's a damn sight simpler than what's happening here. Pretty easy to look at the road and see that it's wet.


From what I read there'll only be three electronic signs in this trial.

From the linked article:


The 22 electronic signs will be installed along the steepest stretch of the high-accident Kaimai road linking Waikato and the Bay of Plenty from March, with the trial set to run for two years.

[Muftin_]

I'm assuming those red stripes are only at stop signs, so are there to help the blind see that they need to stop, not give way.

I wonder what those are like to stop at for bikes though.


They have nothing to do with stop signs or anything like that, they are to indicate 'quiet zones'.



They are intended to signal to motorists that they are crossing a threshold into a residential quiet zone.

The thick red lines are painted on the road and signage at the entry points to the ''Residential Quiet Zone'' indicate a change in road environment.

[yevjenko]

They have nothing to do with stop signs or anything like that, they are to indicate 'quiet zones'.
Yep. We have them in Wellie, but only one at a time not three, and with signs so motorists know what the fuck they are.

I had to laugh at the dizzy bint that said red is not a calming colour in that article though

[Berries]

They have nothing to do with stop signs or anything like that, they are to indicate 'quiet zones'.
Interesting then that the photo shows them at a stop controlled intersection where the stripes will have a different skid resistance to the unpainted section. That should make for interesting braking on two wheels.

Lucky it never rains in Auckland........

[swbarnett]

From the linked article:
OK, I stand corrected.

[nerrrd]

Ha ha, go and get fucked. We tell them what they want to hear and you pay us $200 an hour.

:doobey:

I think we already have been, still are being, and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. Kudos to you.

[Ocean1]

Interesting then that the photo shows them at a stop controlled intersection where the stripes will have a different skid resistance to the unpainted section. That should make for interesting braking on two wheels.

Lucky it never rains in Auckland........

First thing I thought. Likely effectiveness in improving behaviour: Zero. Effectiveness in seriously fucking up available traction in an area your required to brake hard in the event of poor behaviour: Rather a lot.

Wonder what research the original proposal was based on...

[Moi]

Red lines... deal with these things everyday. The red lines and the big red patches with SLOW in white lettering are done with some form of "grippy" marking paint so have plenty of grip at present. Time will only tell how long the grip lasts - when it starts to fail then Auckland Transport will be getting phone calls and emails...

Apparently something similar has been used in the UK around event centres and sporting facilities - hence the use of them around the Eden Park area...

Still waiting for the signs that tell us what they all mean to go up...