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James Deuce
23rd October 2014, 12:31
It's a pretty fucking horrible realisation to come to when you start looking for a bike after a break from riding, that the only thing that falls into your price bracket and peculiar comfort requirements is a fucking Bandit or an equally as hideous Teapot.

MAy as well do what all the other broken, middle-aged fuckwits do and take up "mountain" biking.

Devil
23rd October 2014, 12:33
Lord knows you could do with the exercise. But you'll probably hit some wildlife on that too.

James Deuce
23rd October 2014, 12:36
Do they make recumbent "mountain" bikes?

Mike.Gayner
23rd October 2014, 12:40
I don't understand the complaint - the Bandit and the teapot are both excellent bikes. Maybe not the most thrilling thing out there, but it beats walking (or driving a car).

James Deuce
23rd October 2014, 13:07
Sort of bike I wouldn't lament not putting the sidestand down on or bothering to change the oil. Or garking the swingarm with a slack chain. Or backing into in the garage.

haydes55
23rd October 2014, 13:15
Them 750 katanas look pretty ugly, but so cheap. And you don't have to look at yourself when you're riding. Plus you're too old to worry about trying to pick up chicks.

Maha
23rd October 2014, 13:19
I am in the same position, do I look for a decent touring bike for us both or buy a $5-6K bike to have a bit of fun on. Been off bikes now for a while and there's an 05 Speed Triple just down the road that floats my boat..

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-795883657.htm

Really would like a K1200GT though.

James Deuce
23rd October 2014, 13:21
Them 750 katanas look pretty ugly, but so cheap. And you don't have to look at yourself when you're riding. Plus you're too old to worry about trying to pick up chicks.
I have to look at myself in the mirror, knowing I have a teapot in garage. You do it.

James Deuce
23rd October 2014, 13:23
I am in the same position, do I look for a decent touring bike for us both or buy a $5-6K bike to have a bit of fun on. Been off bikes now for a while and there's an 05 Speed Triple just down the road that floats my boat..

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-795883657.htm

Really would like a K1200GT though.

Tried a really nice VTR1000 a mate is thinking of selling, thinking I'd be able to cope with an "old man's" sportsbike, but the pain, the pain.

That model of Speed Triple is my favourite but a bit much for a tiny budget and not many "Nuclear Red" ones come up.

Maha
23rd October 2014, 13:33
I should just buy it but I don't have anywhere to store it, plus not having the fricken time to get out and ride is a bitch, but things may work out in that department sooner rather than later. Keep looking Jim, summit ill turn up.

willytheekid
23rd October 2014, 13:50
Pfft, You can afford the best sport tourer ever made :2thumbsup

http://www.rka-luggage.com/pages/14gallry/05hon/page1/pics/vfr3bi.jpg

...they maybe 18yrs old, but they still do EVERYTHING so close to perfect, you will be asking yourself "why the fuck didn't I buy one 18yrs ago?"

(And for the record...they can certainly! still keep the modern bikes sweating on a twisty, bumpy NZ road)

Hands down, the BEST bike I have ever owned for daily use, abuse, fun and touring...and its does it all with a V4 growl to die for!:drool: (Once ya sort the muffler out lol)

-Look past the flash plastic modern bikes and start looking at the proven old school rides...they didn't get all those awards for nothing!, and there more bang for your buck! ;)


...find me better all rounder!...I double dare ya!!

James Deuce
23rd October 2014, 14:18
I have another friend demanding that I look at gear-driven cam VFR750/800s and largely ignore mileage and age in preference to condition. He has a list of simple and affordable mods to perform as well. A classic Honda, whilst gay, is infinitely prefereable to either a bloody Bandit or terrible Teapot.

bogan
23rd October 2014, 14:22
I have another friend demanding that I look at gear-driven cam VFR750/800s and largely ignore mileage and age in preference to condition. He has a list of simple and affordable mods to perform as well. A classic Honda, whilst gay, is infinitely prefereable to either a bloody Bandit or terrible Teapot.

Yeh I've heard the same recommendations about em. Don't seem to come up for sale too often either which is probably an encouraging sign of the suitability.

Murray
23rd October 2014, 14:24
That model of Speed Triple is my favourite but a bit much for a tiny budget and not many "Nuclear Red" ones come up.

Try one of these

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-793604114.htm

And go British racing green

James Deuce
23rd October 2014, 14:51
Try one of these

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-793604114.htm

And go British racing green


That's not yours by any chance? :)

Looks lovely. Probably roomy enough for a family of 5.

Murray
23rd October 2014, 15:24
That's not yours by any chance? :)

Looks lovely. Probably roomy enough for a family of 5.

No not mine - mines a 94 but hell they are comfortable to ride have great torque and can hoof it when you want to

BigAl
23rd October 2014, 15:25
MAy as well do what all the other broken, middle-aged fuckwits do and take up "mountain" biking.

Or they buy a Harley or adventure bike for their frequent trips down to the café.

Oscar
23rd October 2014, 15:36
Try one of these

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-793604114.htm

And go British racing green

Never seen the point of owning a Trumpy that looks like a Japper...

Murray
23rd October 2014, 15:44
Never seen the point of owning a Trumpy that looks like a Japper...

Like a speed triple???

Pretty popular bikes

actually looks a bit like this bike

http://www.workshopmanuals.biz/bmwbikes.html

James Deuce
23rd October 2014, 15:50
Or they buy a Harley or adventure bike for their frequent trips down to the café.

Oh geez. I'm trying desperately to not be that sad.

Oscar
23rd October 2014, 16:10
Like a speed triple???

Pretty popular bikes

actually looks a bit like this bike

http://www.workshopmanuals.biz/bmwbikes.html

Nah, I was talking about the Trophy.
I'm a big fan of Speed Triples and Scramblers.

R650R
23rd October 2014, 16:54
It's a pretty fucking horrible realisation to come to when you start looking for a bike after a break from riding, that the only thing that falls into your price bracket and peculiar comfort requirements is a fucking Bandit or an equally as hideous Teapot.

MAy as well do what all the other broken, middle-aged fuckwits do and take up "mountain" biking.

A decent mountainbike is around the 5k mark, then there's the shoes, camelbacks and maintenance costs. Twelve months later their worth about 20% of what you paid as everyone is upgrading all the time.
Motorbikes are cheaper lol....

There is one question, do you wish to exceed 100km/h regularly.
If not then look at an adventure bike. My DR650 is well capable of embarrassing any sportsbike on a proper twisty road and that's on the standard tyres.
So one of the proper road orientated Hyper-Motards may be the go with the upright riding position and plenty od suspension travel.

merv
23rd October 2014, 17:03
Pfft, You can afford the best sport tourer ever made :2thumbsup



...they maybe 18yrs old, but they still do EVERYTHING so close to perfect, you will be asking yourself "why the fuck didn't I buy one 18yrs ago?"

(And for the record...they can certainly! still keep the modern bikes sweating on a twisty, bumpy NZ road)

Hands down, the BEST bike I have ever owned for daily use, abuse, fun and touring...and its does it all with a V4 growl to die for!:drool: (Once ya sort the muffler out lol)

-Look past the flash plastic modern bikes and start looking at the proven old school rides...they didn't get all those awards for nothing!, and there more bang for your buck! ;)


...find me better all rounder!...I double dare ya!!

Lol, I've had mine since new 20 years ago and no its not for sale - why would you sell one eh? I know it would fit Jim perfectly too, especially as I fitted helibars to mine as I'm even more vertically challenged than Jim and I couldn't pull the seat closer like you can in a car so I brought the bars back closer to me. It still runs like new too and I'm not into noise so standard muffler all the way for me.

Maha
23rd October 2014, 17:37
This here is quite tasty too -->>http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-796381084.htm

James Deuce
23rd October 2014, 18:05
This here is quite tasty too -->>http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-796381084.htm

Too much money for the kms. It will be an utter money pit as I work my way through dry bearings and linkages and replace the wiring loom and suspension. I'm picking $3-4k of remedial work. No one looks after Kawasakis.

James Deuce
23rd October 2014, 18:06
A decent mountainbike is around the 5k mark, then there's the shoes, camelbacks and maintenance costs. Twelve months later their worth about 20% of what you paid as everyone is upgrading all the time.
Motorbikes are cheaper lol....

There is one question, do you wish to exceed 100km/h regularly.
If not then look at an adventure bike. My DR650 is well capable of embarrassing any sportsbike on a proper twisty road and that's on the standard tyres.
So one of the proper road orientated Hyper-Motards may be the go with the upright riding position and plenty od suspension travel.

Many have tried to convert me to the house of "Adventure" and all have failed. I'm married. I already have something with a fat bottom end and spindly legs that costs way more than the satisfaction it provides.

R650R
23rd October 2014, 18:18
Many have tried to convert me to the house of "Adventure" and all have failed. I'm married. I already have something with a fat bottom end and spindly legs that costs way more than the satisfaction it provides.

You don't always have to ride the most tired horse in the stable, you can always get a rental ya know :)

http://www.gimme.co.nz/files/users/Gimme/9_jpg_4f348add8a.jpg

Katman
23rd October 2014, 18:49
MAy as well do what all the other broken, middle-aged fuckwits do and take up "mountain" biking.

Mountain bike > Teapot.

Swoop
23rd October 2014, 18:55
I have another friend demanding that I look at gear-driven cam VFR750/800s and largely ignore mileage and age in preference to condition. He has a list of simple and affordable mods to perform as well. A classic Honda, whilst gay, is infinitely prefereable to either a bloody Bandit or terrible Teapot.
Come over to the ghey side...:blip:
We're cheap, abuse-able, but good and reliable, "sweety".

willytheekid
23rd October 2014, 18:56
I have another friend demanding that I look at gear-driven cam VFR750/800s and largely ignore mileage and age in preference to condition. He has a list of simple and affordable mods to perform as well. A classic Honda, whilst gay, is infinitely prefereable to either a bloody Bandit or terrible Teapot.

I Honestly cannot rate the VFR range any higher JD...used to have a VFR400NC24 then a NC30 and thought that they were amazing bikes as well, test rode a 2000 800 and the newer VFR800 (04)...again, just amazing bikes!:yes:...but ever since seeing them on release, Ive always wanted the NR styled VFR750:drool:, and I intend to keep my current ride permanently!...hence I have recently bought a spare motor and many many! more parts in preparation for a wee "project" to freshen the old girl up and give her an extra spring to her step:niceone: (two kids and a retarded dog to look after make it a distant project lol so just collecting lots of parts in the mean time lol)


Lol, I've had mine since new 20 years ago and no its not for sale - why would you sell one eh? I know it would fit Jim perfectly too, especially as I fitted helibars to mine as I'm even more vertically challenged than Jim and I couldn't pull the seat closer like you can in a car so I brought the bars back closer to me. It still runs like new too and I'm not into noise so standard muffler all the way for me.

Obviously a wise man with great taste Merv :msn-wink:

...with nearly 140,000k showing on my ones clock...mechanic still says its a waste of time doing the tappets...they still ain't gonna need adjusting!:laugh: (And she's still got great compression, no noise's or issues...just keeps on giving out the smiles mile after mile after mile....)


end of the day everyone has there own taste and preferences...but I highly advise people don't write the older bikes off to quickly.....the VFR's, RF's GSXRs and NINJA etc of yesterday...can still be an option to buy, and can still put a smile on your dial....truly hope you find what your looking for JD :D

...I have :Punk:

James Deuce
23rd October 2014, 18:59
Yeah, I've had an NC24 and RC30 in the past and a couple of years ago a friend lent me his RVF400 for a year. I'm well acquainted with Honda V4s.

James Deuce
23rd October 2014, 20:12
Mountain bike > Teapot.
Good call.

Ocean1
23rd October 2014, 20:54
Do you fit VFRs dude? Dunno about prices, and it might be a stretch but this one looks decent: http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-719119178.htm

Or if you're stretching... http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-794773977.htm

Madness
23rd October 2014, 20:59
No one looks after Kawasakis.

Oi!! I resemble that remark, bastidge.

Bren
23rd October 2014, 21:00
So ya comin back to the two wheeled world....???


Good on ya mate!

James Deuce
23rd October 2014, 21:04
Do you fit VFRs dude? Dunno about prices, and it might be a stretch but this one looks decent: http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-719119178.htm

Or if you're stretching... http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-794773977.htm

That's on the list. The Buell, not the VFR. That VFR is massively over-priced and I'm not convinced it has had decent care and attention. There's lots wrong with it and I'd waste money fixing stuff on an already over-rpiced bike. Also. I'd prefer the previous model. Those ones are heavy and more tour, less sports. Yes I do fit them. Bars are higher and pegs lower than a VTR, plus you're closer to the bars.

James Deuce
23rd October 2014, 21:06
So ya comin back to the two wheeled world....???


Good on ya mate!

I had an XJR1300 for a year up until about a year ago, but we didn't get on. Good bike. Comfy and all. But I had to spend a lot to fix things and it was getting wearing. Plus it had no ground clearance and then a couple of other minor things went wrong and I wanted to shoot myself so I thought it was time to part ways.

Ocean1
23rd October 2014, 21:19
That's on the list. The Buell, not the VFR.

If it helps I have late model XB12X luggage that could probably be made to fit, free to a good home. And spare zorsts. And stuff.

Gremlin
23rd October 2014, 21:33
Hornet CB900! Reliable as, take it from me.

I've probably screwed myself up more with mountain biking than motorcycling, however, mountain bikes can go where motorcycles can't. Good for fitness too (apparently).

James Deuce
24th October 2014, 05:33
Hornet CB900! Reliable as, take it from me.

I've probably screwed myself up more with mountain biking than motorcycling, however, mountain bikes can go where motorcycles can't. Good for fitness too (apparently).

I've been waiting for the Hornet crowd. We'll leave that at that.:devil2:

A mountain bike might get my ankle working better. I know the dangers of escalating gadget junkie behaviour and R650R has encapsulated what can go horribly wrong, perfectly.

Big Dog
24th October 2014, 06:34
What the fox that? Teapot?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

unstuck
24th October 2014, 07:31
:2thumbsuphttp://cdn0.lostateminor.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Mr-Tea-Teapot.jpg





Or it could be a Gsx.:scratch:

Katman
24th October 2014, 07:50
What the fox that? Teapot?


http://www.katanatom.co.uk/pagemaker.php?page=teapot

Scouse
24th October 2014, 07:59
I am in the same position, do I look for a decent touring bike for us both or buy a $5-6K bike to have a bit of fun on. Been off bikes now for a while and there's an 05 Speed Triple just down the road that floats my boat..

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-795883657.htm

Really would like a K1200GT though.Mark If you are going to get a S3 make sure it has the 1050 engine

Gremlin
24th October 2014, 11:52
A mountain bike might get my ankle working better. I know the dangers of escalating gadget junkie behaviour and R650R has encapsulated what can go horribly wrong, perfectly.
I picked up mountain biking last year, bought a bike, course, had to get gear, camelbak etc.

Then I bought another mountain bike this year, deal was too good to refuse... now I have 2.

I keep convincing myself this will be a cheap hobby ;)

James Deuce
24th October 2014, 12:03
I picked up mountain biking last year, bought a bike, course, had to get gear, camelbak etc.

Then I bought another mountain bike this year, deal was too good to refuse... now I have 2.

I keep convincing myself this will be a cheap hobby ;)

I've been watching Paul-in-NZ fight and lose the same battle since he swapped kayaking for mountain biking. It's mildly hilarious.

Big Dog
24th October 2014, 12:27
http://www.katanatom.co.uk/pagemaker.php?page=teapot

So like my old GSX1100f everyone on here kept calling a Katana.

Got into a few arguments at the barbeques when I decried such a suggestion due to the surplus of plastic.

Great all rounder but not a katana. Even if the factory paperwork said otherwise.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

haydes55
24th October 2014, 13:59
Surely someone has an aftermarket bolt on teapot>katana kit? Even to get it to look vaguely better?

James Deuce
24th October 2014, 14:03
Surely someone has an aftermarket bolt on teapot>katana kit? Even to get it to look vaguely better?

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTpGqYDdOQZ6VdHcH5EQb-qHSW6cUWHW5M93vymy53KVaMjd1UJeA+https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRdmAikVGHtbzqVaDxmzG8k4bgdG-o_QgkCMmle-m64uTfjySxS

rastuscat
24th October 2014, 14:44
Pfft, You can afford the best sport tourer ever made :2thumbsup

http://www.rka-luggage.com/pages/14gallry/05hon/page1/pics/vfr3bi.jpg

...they maybe 18yrs old, but they still do EVERYTHING so close to perfect, you will be asking yourself "why the fuck didn't I buy one 18yrs ago?"

(And for the record...they can certainly! still keep the modern bikes sweating on a twisty, bumpy NZ road)

Hands down, the BEST bike I have ever owned for daily use, abuse, fun and touring...and its does it all with a V4 growl to die for!:drool: (Once ya sort the muffler out lol)

-Look past the flash plastic modern bikes and start looking at the proven old school rides...they didn't get all those awards for nothing!, and there more bang for your buck! ;)


...find me better all rounder!...I double dare ya!!

One of my guys has a pre vtec Viffer. Cool ride. I'd have one if I wiz downscaling.

Good enough for you Wheelie, easily good snuff for me.


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rastuscat
24th October 2014, 14:46
I picked up mountain biking last year, bought a bike, course, had to get gear, camelbak etc.

Then I bought another mountain bike this year, deal was too good to refuse... now I have 2.

I keep convincing myself this will be a cheap hobby ;)

The correct number of cycles to own is N+1, where N is the number of bikes you currently own.

Thus, I have 6 bikes, and 7 is the correct number to have. Until I have 7.


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Gremlin
24th October 2014, 15:05
The correct number of cycles to own is N+1, where N is the number of bikes you currently own.

Thus, I have 6 bikes, and 7 is the correct number to have. Until I have 7.
Yeah, but it's a cheap hobby, remember? :laugh:

Big Dog
24th October 2014, 17:42
Yeah, but it's a cheap hobby, remember? :laugh:

It can be a cheap hobby... if you can just control you urge to buy everything that you see that has an inflated price tag just because it has a picture of a bicycle on it... much like motorcycling like that.

I know I have spent too much at times, not enough at others.

Easy enough to blow 10k in a year on gear for either sport without buying any more bikes.
IF you are really honest about how competitive you are and what you will get out of it you can limit yourself to less than 1k a year.
Shit, I reckon I have about 10k of gear I have not got value from and will never get value from, and I am one of the stingier riders.

98tls
24th October 2014, 18:37
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTpGqYDdOQZ6VdHcH5EQb-qHSW6cUWHW5M93vymy53KVaMjd1UJeA+https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRdmAikVGHtbzqVaDxmzG8k4bgdG-o_QgkCMmle-m64uTfjySxS


J buy an old TLS fit some gixxer forks attach some dirt bike bars to the top of em and go have fun.

rastuscat
24th October 2014, 19:31
I have 3 bikes that could have won the TdF when new. Just not with my lardy arse on them.

Its always been a foible of mine. If I have time at weekends I head out on my cycles, not my motorcycle.

ducatilover
25th October 2014, 19:33
If you buy a teapot, I will come to Greytown and shoot you. I'm a sick prick and even I would think twice about buying one.

I assume your budget is around 4k?
Bandits are good at what they do, but like an award winning ladyboy, they're just not really that appealing. (or maybe... I dunno, half a doz of beer and I'd slam one)

Can you handle sitting on an RF? They're nice machines.
GSX1400 :2thumbsup
I have to agree with Viffers, they're just excellent machines.
Or a lowsided blackbird.
There was the GSX1200, a slightly less gay Bandit.
CB1000sf, nice bike, about the size of Mexico though.

GN250s are pretty sweet, I'll sell you mine.

James Deuce
25th October 2014, 19:40
The CB1000 is even more anodyne than a Hornet 900. GSX1200Y is a nice bike, much better than people think, with decent suspension and brakes. GSX1400s are not "nice".

ducatilover
25th October 2014, 19:45
Fuck you're fussy.

Buy a VFR. We won't judge you, but it will improve your reach arounds.

F5 Dave
25th October 2014, 19:58
Many have tried to convert me to the house of "Adventure" and all have failed. I'm married. I already have something with a fat bottom end and spindly legs that costs way more than the satisfaction it provides.
Ohh I'm going to have to smack you, You're married to a lovely woman. Give yourself a good talking to.

a mate has had a VTR from new and it's been a great bike despite being a dirty 'onda. Dirt money for everything you really need. This coming from a Yamaha man. Unless you could find a nice RZ of course. . .,

haydes55
25th October 2014, 21:05
I'd vote for the RF too, cheap, less ugly and decent engines..... The sidecar I swing for has an RF900 motor

James Deuce
25th October 2014, 22:13
Can't fit on a VTR or an RF. Too much weight on wrists and too much ankle flexion required.

neels
25th October 2014, 22:25
Buy a ducati st*
Excellent fun for a stupidly cheap price

neels
25th October 2014, 22:29
The correct number of cycles to own is N+1, where N is the number of bikes you currently own.
Don't forget the s-1 rule also, where s is the number of bikes where your partner has had enough and separation ensues. This is why i only have 4 bikes of the pedal variety

James Deuce
25th October 2014, 22:48
Buy a ducati st*
Excellent fun for a stupidly cheap price

Except at servicing time.

Berries
25th October 2014, 23:06
Can't fit on a VTR or an RF. Too much weight on wrists and too much ankle flexion required.
Get a car.


MAy as well do what all the other broken, middle-aged fuckwits do and take up "mountain" biking.
Yep.

avgas
26th October 2014, 05:29
Them 750 katanas look pretty ugly, but so cheap. And you don't have to look at yourself when you're riding. Plus you're too old to worry about trying to pick up chicks.
How they inherited the Katana badge is beyond me. I guess the name "Sumo" was taken.

avgas
26th October 2014, 05:32
Surely someone has an aftermarket bolt on teapot>katana kit? Even to get it to look vaguely better?
Toebug can do something with them :wings:

Big Dog
26th October 2014, 12:39
How they inherited the Katana badge is beyond me. I guess the name "Sumo" was taken.

$$$$$$$)
Marketing ROI.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Swoop
26th October 2014, 16:07
I've been watching Paul-in-NZ fight and lose the same battle since he swapped kayaking for mountain biking.
How the fuck does he return home with a fish, after mountain boiking?:scratch:

ducatilover
26th October 2014, 19:31
Except at servicing time.

You could always do it yourself. But why the fuck anyone would want to work on a bike instead of riding it I will never know.

So, you'll have to get a Viffer then JD. Fabulous daaahhhhling

Kickaha
28th October 2014, 07:51
It can be a cheap hobby... if you can just control you urge to buy everything that you see that has an inflated price tag just because it has a picture of a bicycle on it... much like motorcycling like that.
I've had the same MTB for over 10 years, newer full suspension would be nice but mine goes anywhere I want it to, don't have any flash kit and don't need to be like the lemmings that do

Ohh I'm going to have to smack you, You're married to a lovely woman.
She must be incredibly patient too

James Deuce
28th October 2014, 07:55
How the fuck does he return home with a fish, after mountain boiking?:scratch:

Kite flying monkeys with long lines. They may have been monkeys, or they may well have been grand children. I couldn't see them very well with them way up there.

James Deuce
28th October 2014, 07:57
Get a car.


Got one thanks.

James Deuce
28th October 2014, 07:58
She must be incredibly patient too

Wrong gender pronoun. That was a looooooooong weekend.

Banditbandit
28th October 2014, 09:55
It's a pretty fucking horrible realisation to come to when you start looking for a bike after a break from riding, that the only thing that falls into your price bracket and peculiar comfort requirements is a fucking Bandit or an equally as hideous Teapot.

MAy as well do what all the other broken, middle-aged fuckwits do and take up "mountain" biking.

I don't get it - I own two Bandits and I love them both ... The only issue I have is that the big one's sweet spot is at 180 klicks ... What is wrong with Bandits???

James Deuce
28th October 2014, 10:28
I don't like them. Never have. Entirely emotional response. I've owned bikes I haven't connected with in the past and it is always a mistake as despite no bike being worse than some bike, I get dispirited with something I don't like, and won't ride it, leading to no bike again due to buyers remorse followed by briefly having some money in the bank after selling it. Usually after spending a fortune trying to make it something I do like. Only once have I divested myself of a bike without doing a thing to it and that was a Teapot.

Paul in NZ
28th October 2014, 10:41
Since I'm reference material I thought I add my point...

Then I realised it was pointless....

I'm happy with modest achievements on last years gear....

Paul in NZ
28th October 2014, 12:39
I am in the same position, do I look for a decent touring bike for us both or buy a $5-6K bike to have a bit of fun on. Been off bikes now for a while and there's an 05 Speed Triple just down the road that floats my boat..

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-795883657.htm

Really would like a K1200GT though.


Pillion peg positions not too good for touring...

Its why we settled for the ST... You can get a decent ST1050 cheaper than that...

Paul in NZ
28th October 2014, 12:43
MAy as well do what all the other broken, middle-aged fuckwits do and take up "mountain" biking.

Thanks.... But you would enjoy it...

James Deuce
28th October 2014, 13:55
Thanks.... But you would enjoy it...

You're welcome. Ankle with no cartilage in it is silting up so I suspect that arthritis is going to prevent pumping force through that ankle through much of the stroke.

Banditbandit
28th October 2014, 14:02
I don't like them. Never have. Entirely emotional response.

OK .. I get that ... there are bikes I have no emotional connection to as well ..(just not Bandits) ...

James Deuce
28th October 2014, 14:12
OK .. I get that ... there are bikes I have no emotional connection to as well ..(just not Bandits) ...

Obviously. :)

This isn't meant to be a "bag people's bikes thread" and I hope you haven't taken it that way. This is a "point and laugh at the attention seeking fuckwit with the terribly bigoted attitudes" thread.

I'm really disappointed at myself for not being able to get over my Anti-Bandit/Teapot/Hornet attitudes, but something about all of them makes feel like I would have compromised any ideal of enjoying life if I bought one. Even though they all now occupy what would be the perfect price point and capability that make them bargains.

Some Mountain Biking bloke is quite right in that owning a bike is partly about projecting an image. I can't do that sat proudly astride a Teapot. Or a Bandit. Or a Hornet.

Banditbandit
28th October 2014, 15:39
Obviously. :)

This isn't meant to be a "bag people's bikes thread" and I hope you haven't taken it that way. This is a "point and laugh at the attention seeking fuckwit with the terribly bigoted attitudes" thread.

I'm really disappointed at myself for not being able to get over my Anti-Bandit/Teapot/Hornet attitudes, but something about all of them makes feel like I would have compromised any ideal of enjoying life if I bought one. Even though they all now occupy what would be the perfect price point and capability that make them bargains.

Some Mountain Biking bloke is quite right in that owning a bike is partly about projecting an image. I can't do that sat proudly astride a Teapot. Or a Bandit. Or a Hornet.

:rofl: I was trying to think of a bike I had no emotional connection to ... and the Hornet would be high on the list ...

I'm sorry, but I have to profess my ignorance .. what is a teapot? My only association is the older Suzuki Waterbus/Tea kettle ...

James Deuce
28th October 2014, 15:41
:rofl: I was trying to think of a bike I had no emotional response to ... and the Hornet would be high on the list ...

I'm sorry, but I have to profess my ignorance .. what is a teapot? My only association is the older Suzuki Waterbus/Tea kettle ...
Suzuki GSX600/750F "Katana".

http://www.suzukicycles.org/photos/GSX/GSX750F/2003_GSX750F_black_600.jpg

Banditbandit
28th October 2014, 15:43
OK. Yeah .. can't connect with those either - even though they are a fully faired Bandit ... they just don't look right ..

Big Dog
28th October 2014, 15:49
I kind of get what you mean. Current ride is a CB1300. Given my list of criteria it ticks all the boxes.
Can service it myself without spending all afternoon just on fairings.
Can cope with my weight.
Can cope with droning into town every day.
Can 2 up easily.
Not too hard on my wrists.
Not embarrassing.
Less than the cash I had available.
30,000 kms a year not crippling, financially or physically.
The list went on, largely because part of me did not want to sell the 'busa to buy something less. But the bus would have crippled me financially on that commute.

So what is wrong with it?
Nothing.
It does everything on my list well barring I updated the bars and a few other bits and pieces to make it more of a commuter.

So why don't I love it?
Why is it a practical choice to like it?
Is it perhaps too good?
Is it just so good at everything I use it for that it is like a good pair of slippers? Comfy as just not inspiring of passion.

I think so. The longer I commute on her the more I miss my DR350. The more I lust after adventure bikes.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

haydes55
28th October 2014, 15:51
How about a Z1000 then? Comfy, fast, cheap and looks horny

Gremlin
28th October 2014, 15:53
So what is wrong with it?
Nothing.
It does everything on my list well barring I updated the bars and a few other bits and pieces to make it more of a commuter.

So why don't I love it?
Why is it a practical choice to like it?
Is it perhaps too good?
Is it just so good at everything I use it for that it is like a good pair of slippers? Comfy as just not inspiring of passion.

I think so. The longer I commute on her the more I miss my DR350. The more I lust after adventure bikes.
Typical Honda, like the CB919. Nothing remarkable, just does everything OK. They've also engineered out the "personality/character" (aka, stuff that breaks). Leaves a soul-less ride, but you kinda end up liking it anyway, coz it's like a puppy. Happy doing whatever you want to do...

Big Dog
28th October 2014, 16:01
Typical Honda, like the CB919. Nothing remarkable, just does everything OK. They've also engineered out the "personality/character" (aka, stuff that breaks). Leaves a soul-less ride, but you kinda end up liking it anyway, coz it's like a puppy. Happy doing whatever you want to do...

That's about it.
Likeable enough, doesn't give you a hard on.
Doesn't get the pulse racing, but you'd be hard pushed to find a better distance commuter.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

F5 Dave
28th October 2014, 16:24
How about a Z1000 then? Comfy, fast, cheap and looks horny
Is he up for another one? Here we go.

How about a 90s VFR750 Find a good-un. Call it a resto & you're Hip. Old man's RC30 and a nice bike.

Maha
28th October 2014, 16:45
That's about it.
Likeable enough, doesn't give you a hard on.
Doesn't get the pulse racing, but you'd be hard pushed to find a better distance commuter.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Loved my 1300, double pack/tank bag and two up and the bike was comfortable as hell in top, no need to use the left foot at all when passing, just wind it on.

SPman
28th October 2014, 17:23
How about a nice Buell 1125CR.



:dodge:

SPman
28th October 2014, 17:32
You're welcome. Ankle with no cartilage in it is silting up so I suspect that arthritis is going to prevent pumping force through that ankle through much of the stroke.How about an electric mountain bike?
We've had a couple of electric bikes for a couple of years now - much easier to perambulate on........

Ocean1
28th October 2014, 18:21
How about a nice Buell 1125CR.



:dodge:

It would take just the tiniest excuse for me to buy my old one back given the chance.

ducatilover
28th October 2014, 19:18
Typical Honda, like the CB919. Nothing remarkable, just does everything OK. They've also engineered out the "personality/character" (aka, stuff that breaks). Leaves a soul-less ride, but you kinda end up liking it anyway, coz it's like a puppy. Happy doing whatever you want to do...

The Bandits are similar, except less refined. Honda fours tend to do the job so well they're dreary.
That's why V4 is good.
Ducatis are shit BTW.

buggerit
28th October 2014, 19:51
Seems suitable, handy to your location:bleh:

Big Dog
28th October 2014, 19:56
Loved my 1300, double pack/tank bag and two up and the bike was comfortable as hell in top, no need to use the left foot at all when passing, just wind it on.

I do wonder if the fact it gets 99% of its use to and from work? Maybe I should test that theory with a 6 month riding holiday? Dreaming.

I also wonder if it just suffers because the last full road bike was the bus? Not that still got the blood flowing 9 years in. :)


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

buggerit
28th October 2014, 20:03
I also wonder if it just suffers because the last full road bike was the bus? Not that still got the blood flowing 9 years in. :)


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

I see what u mean:yes:

Big Dog
28th October 2014, 20:11
I see what u mean:yes:

And that is the single seater. See the hump at the rear?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

nzspokes
28th October 2014, 22:14
You're welcome. Ankle with no cartilage in it is silting up so I suspect that arthritis is going to prevent pumping force through that ankle through much of the stroke.

I know what you mean with a Hornet. I tried to like it, I really did. But now with a VTR, happy days. Not the fastest or the flashest but does me just fine.

My partner just had her ankle fused for the same problem. Seems to have fixed the pain.

James Deuce
29th October 2014, 07:23
My partner just had her ankle fused for the same problem. Seems to have fixed the pain.

I'm a drummer, dude. If I want to keep playing drums the ankle stays how it is. I don't have the time to invest in learning new techniques to get back to where I am. I'm not complaining about it. It's how it is.

nzspokes
29th October 2014, 07:27
I'm a drummer, dude. If I want to keep playing drums the ankle stays how it is. I don't have the time to invest in learning new techniques to get back to where I am. I'm not complaining about it. It's how it is.

Cool, its all about what works for you. For my Girl the pain was to much just to walk. I just need to come up with a gear shift system so she can ride.

James Deuce
29th October 2014, 07:39
Some people have me down as an utter grumpy bastard, but when your tib and fib slip off the top of your foot from time to time and it has to bashed back into place and it feels like there's glass jammed in there, it's difficult to stay "positive".

Ulsterkiwi
29th October 2014, 07:49
Some people have me down as an utter grumpy bastard, but when your tib and fib slip off the top of your foot from time to time and it has to bashed back into place and it feels like there's glass jammed in there, it's difficult to stay "positive".

then you become a positively grumpy bastard? :rolleyes: chronic pain like that tends to be intrusive. If someone doesnt get it...mehhhhh

Have you considered a multibike garage? Buy a couple or four, explain to them all that whichever one does not perform or make its case to be kept gets the heave ho?

Money should not be an issue, put a kidney on TradeMe......doesn't have to be yours.

The other surefire financial plan is to raffle your house, $20 a ticket. Whoever wins just tell them the raffle was cancelled and refund their money with a dozen of their favourite brew to show no hard feelings....:cool:

Crasherfromwayback
29th October 2014, 09:01
I blew my right ankle into around 20 pieces a while back. Came as close as you'd want to, to having my foot amputated. Was arthritic as all hell. Put up with it for 8 years. Finally had a triple fusion done last year. Good as gold. Stops me doing very little.

James Deuce
29th October 2014, 09:07
I blew my right ankle into around 20 pieces a while back. Came as close as you'd want to, to having my foot amputated. Was arthritic as all hell. Put up with it for 8 years. Finally had a triple fusion done last year. Good as gold. Stops me doing very little.

There's half a dozen different styles of paying a bass drum via a pedal and my style is described as "heel down" which allows me a wide dynamic range. To change to a heel up style requires that good old "10,000hrs" of practice and I'll be dead of old age by the time I get there due to a bunch of "life". Fusion would mean giving up playing to all practical intents and purposes.

Crasherfromwayback
29th October 2014, 09:38
There's half a dozen different styles of paying a bass drum via a pedal and my style is described as "heel down" which allows me a wide dynamic range. To change to a heel up style requires that good old "10,000hrs" of practice and I'll be dead of old age by the time I get there due to a bunch of "life". Fusion would mean giving up playing to all practical intents and purposes.

Can't change to the other foot? Or do you use both?

James Deuce
29th October 2014, 09:43
Can't change to the other foot? Or do you use both?

I do use both and for a couple of different functions. I can play lefty but I still need to do stuff with the rooted right one, so it would require a technique rework that could probably benefit from some instructional overview. So then it becomes time and money.

Crasherfromwayback
29th October 2014, 10:08
I do use both and for a couple of different functions. I can play lefty but I still need to do stuff with the rooted right one, so it would require a technique rework that could probably benefit from some instructional overview. So then it becomes time and money.

A fusion or even a triple in my case hasn't removed all movement in my ankle mind you. I have a wee bit of vert movement. Guess it depends on the joints they want to fuse!

F5 Dave
29th October 2014, 11:11
Didn't the FJR13 have option of push button gear change? Can't you rig up one for your drums?

Big Dog
29th October 2014, 12:09
Cool, its all about what works for you. For my Girl the pain was to much just to walk. I just need to come up with a gear shift system so she can ride.

Air shifter with a bar mounted trigger?

I have seen drag bikes with so they must be easy enough, probably even a kit for it.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Big Dog
29th October 2014, 12:16
From memory quick shifter of a kit that go up a gear if you blip an down a gear if you snap off. They also do a handlebar remote.

I have seen a quickshifter brand connected to a self centring toggle. Flick up to go up or down to go down.
That was on a Honda trike. Rider was on two walking sticks. Paralysed from just below the hips down. Brace with springs allowed him to walk but not move his feet volunteerily. Someone here may know who.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Big Dave
29th October 2014, 12:21
You may now be cool enough to own a KLR 650.

*If* you can handle teh awesome.

Paul in NZ
29th October 2014, 12:22
Didn't the FJR13 have option of push button gear change? Can't you rig up one for your drums?

Just download some electronic auto beat thing for that foot...

Good to go...

MisterD
29th October 2014, 12:35
You may now be cool enough to own a KLR 650.

*If* you can handle teh awesome.

To be fair the god-awful clatter that engine makes should be right up a drummer's alley.

Big Dave
29th October 2014, 12:58
To be fair the teh awesome should be right up a drummer's alley.

Churrrr for ten.

F5 Dave
29th October 2014, 14:54
I wasn't even going to mention DefLeppard

Kickaha
29th October 2014, 16:40
I just need to come up with a gear shift system so she can ride.
Translogic push button shifter

Some people have me down as an utter grumpy bastard
Only some?

Air shifter with a bar mounted trigger?
Airshifters are shit, electric is far better

nzspokes
29th October 2014, 17:38
Translogic push button shifter


Worth more than the bike. Hyo 650.

Kickaha
29th October 2014, 17:43
Worth more than the bike. Hyo 650.

It can be swapped from bike to bike as/if you upgrade

nzspokes
29th October 2014, 17:46
It can be swapped from bike to bike as/if you upgrade

Going to come up with something simple to start with and when we know how that works out we will probably go down the track of a quick shift.

bogan
29th October 2014, 17:56
From memory quick shifter of a kit that go up a gear if you blip an down a gear if you snap off. They also do a handlebar remote.

I have seen a quickshifter brand connected to a self centring toggle. Flick up to go up or down to go down.
That was on a Honda trike. Rider was on two walking sticks. Paralysed from just below the hips down. Brace with springs allowed him to walk but not move his feet volunteerily. Someone here may know who.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Easy enough to jimmy something up to move the shifter once clutch is pulled in, bit of logic to determine up or down.
Piece of piss, knock it out in a weekend.

pete376403
29th October 2014, 18:38
Read of a paraplegic shifter 20 -30 years ago in Two Wheels on A CB750 sidecar outfit. The indicator switch was repurposed to select up or down shift. a microswitch in the clutch lever operated the shift solenoid. Easy as.

haydes55
29th October 2014, 22:35
A second lever below the clutch lever, the cable connects to the gear lever. When you pull the lever, it lifts the lever, going up a gear. You just have to power shift. To go down gears, just use the boot as normal, no need for ankle flex down shifting.