Buckets at the Nationals

[Rick 52]

Ride your bucket on the big track for $35 ??

As you will be aware AMCC are hosting the 3rd round of the New Zealand Superbike Championships over the weekend 6 – 8th March 2015.

The race schedule has a slot for a support class to run.

My question to the bucket-tiers is do you think your guys would be keen to run in this class? There would be a discounted entry and we are looking at supplying transponders rent free to club members to help with the costs.

The Development class is being run at the South Island rounds and am fairly sure it will run at the 4th round (Taupo) too. 14-15th March

Could you run the idea past you guys and feedback the general view please.

This is a fantastic opportunity to show off our class at a National level and ride on the big track for such a little amount !
Normal price would be over $250 with transponder
We have the most amazing discount ever ! It's nearly the same price as a spectator

Can we all get together and fill the grids at Hampton Downs and Taupo, Buckets are not too slow for big tracks, run standard road gearing, get your elbows in and enjoy the acres of room at every turn !

Please send a Yes or No email to Aucklandbuckets@gmail.com this weekend

[mr bucketracer]

sounds good, will pass the word

[Bert]

Great idea Rick.

Extra points round for the north Islands (half points???)..

Too cheap to pass up really.


Update....
Email coming Rick.
Where do you want the money...
5 GPR boys are keen, no doubt we can pull together a few more from around here.
Here's a challenge, let's make development/buckets the largest field if this gos ahead...

[Farmaken]

Hell yes, Well done Rick and AMCC - have to be there with bells on for that money !!

Like your thinking there Bert, lets make them both NI rounds, the tracks are booked we just need to sort our own scoring :banana:

[cotswold]

What a mean deal, I have always wanted a spin round Hampton. I take it I will need to upgrade my license and put all the lights and fins on. ( will there be a B grade race :lol: )

[Yow Ling]

You probably wont need to upgrade your license as it is only a support class not a national class.

I usually go to the Ruapuna round , everyone is on holiday its a great way to laze around before going back to work, usually there are 3 of us, I dont get it , nothing to do but too busy for a couple of days racing, costs next to nothing, probably more expensive to stay home.

Fortunatly you dont need to rely on people , they will run dev class for the 150's without you.

It is a good way to promote the class and its bloody good fun, if it wannt 2200km round trip I would go !!

[richban]

I got all inspired to get the bucket going after seeing this. It hasn't been started since the GP.

I'm sure it had more power seams very gutless and loud after the 300 2 smoke. Still bags of fun I am sure.

[Drew]

I think anyone riding at a nats event needs to be on a full comp licence. With three stamps from within the last twelve months for whatever class they are entered.

[richban]

I think anyone riding at a nats event needs to be on a full comp licence. With three stamps from within the last twelve months for whatever class they are entered.

Somtimes no. Dev class can be club licence . Something to do with not being a championship class.

[Drew]

Somtimes no. Dev class can be club licence . Something to do with not being a championship class.That seems a odds with the safety reasons that the rest of us were given for the requirements.

[Yow Ling]

That seems a odds with the safety reasons that the rest of us were given for the requirements.


What reasons were you given?

As far as I know you only need a Championship license for the following championship classes

Championship classes: GP 125 / 250 Mono 250 Production Superlite
Sidecars Supersport Superbike 650cc Pro Twin
As per Appendix H
As per Appendix I
As per Appendix B
240 - 1300cc 2 stroke & 240 - 1300cc 4 stroke As per Appendix G
As per Appendix C
As per Appendix F; 20 years & over 20 years – the 20yr old rider will remain in the 20yr age group until the end of the National Championship for that year.

The Development class is a club event run bu the hosting club

Championship Licence: $200 Senior & Junior; $150 Mini Motocross, ATV & Moto Trials, Over 65 years free

A Championship Licence is required for all members who are competing at a New Zealand, North Island or South Island Championship event and Street Road Race.

Club Licence: $100, Over 65 years free

A Club licence is for members who are competing at all other MNZ events (excluding the above-mentioned events) including support classes at Championship events.

[Drew]

What reasons were you given?

As far as I know you only need a Championship license for the following championship classes

Championship classes: GP 125 / 250 Mono 250 Production Superlite
Sidecars Supersport Superbike 650cc Pro Twin
As per Appendix H
As per Appendix I
As per Appendix B
240 - 1300cc 2 stroke & 240 - 1300cc 4 stroke As per Appendix G
As per Appendix C
As per Appendix F; 20 years & over 20 years – the 20yr old rider will remain in the 20yr age group until the end of the National Championship for that year.

The Development class is a club event run bu the hosting club

Championship Licence: $200 Senior & Junior; $150 Mini Motocross, ATV & Moto Trials, Over 65 years free

A Championship Licence is required for all members who are competing at a New Zealand, North Island or South Island Championship event and Street Road Race.

Club Licence: $100, Over 65 years free

A Club licence is for members who are competing at all other MNZ events (excluding the above-mentioned events) including support classes at Championship events.So that a ntrants are at a certain experience level as to be safer in the high pressure arena.


"All members competing at a New Zealand championship EVENT".

Seems pretty clear. But of course it's then contradicted. Like most of the rule book.

[Yow Ling]

So that a ntrants are at a certain experience level as to be safer in the high pressure arena.


"All members competing at a New Zealand championship EVENT".

Seems pretty clear. But of course it's then contradicted. Like most of the rule book.

they were probably just talking about sidecar people, Development riders are usually much more current with their racing.

[Drew]

they were probably just talking about sidecar people, Development riders are usually much more current with their racing.

Looks like it's going ahead from what I saw on book face. Should be cool watching buckets explode on the way over the hill at Hampton.

[Kickaha]

Should be cool watching buckets explode on the way over the hill at Hampton.
Can't see why they would do that anymore than any other class

[Drew]

Can't see why they would do that anymore than any other class

Because they're as renowned for reliability as sidecars.

[Yow Ling]

Because they're as renowned for reliability as sidecars.

Just because you make 1 wrong assupmtion doesnt mean you should keep going making shit up.
On FB you stated you think support classes should be canned and give extra time to competition classes. Maybe your input would be more use over in the sidecart thread

[Drew]

Just because you make 1 wrong assupmtion doesnt mean you should keep going making shit up.
On FB you stated you think support classes should be canned and give extra time to competition classes. Maybe your input would be more use over in the sidecart thread
What wrong assumption, and what am I making up?

I think support t classes should be axed, yeah. Do you find that offensive for some reason? Buckets are incredibly well represented in numbers with what they do now. They get shit tonnes of track time. What is it bucket racers want from running at the bats?

[Yow Ling]

Actually it costs nothing time wise to put buckets out as there will be a development class anyway, the purpose of development class is to nurture young riders before introducing them to the competition classes, seems to work which is why so many titles come south each year. Why do you find buckets offensive, the majority of racers are more adversly affected by sidecars all 5 or 6 of them taking as much track time as 30 or more bikes in junior classes

[steamroller]

Actually it costs nothing time wise to put buckets out as there will be a development class anyway, the purpose of development class is to nurture young riders before introducing them to the competition classes, seems to work which is why so many titles come south each year. Why do you find buckets offensive, the majority of racers are more adversly affected by sidecars all 5 or 6 of them taking as much track time as 30 or more bikes in junior classes Sounds like the sidecars should be paying a lot more to race.

[Drew]

Actually it costs nothing time wise to put buckets out as there will be a development class anyway, the purpose of development class is to nurture young riders before introducing them to the competition classes, seems to work which is why so many titles come south each year. Why do you find buckets offensive, the majority of racers are more adversly affected by sidecars all 5 or 6 of them taking as much track time as 30 or more bikes in junior classes
Why have the buckets there then?

Or is it just to bump numbers? If so (and I don't know if it is) then it's a bit rough to make digs about sidecar numbers, no?

I've seen more meetings cancelled by solo riders dying, than sidecars causing it for any reason by the way.

Sounds like the sidecars should be paying a lot more to race.
Why? I've seen superbike numbers as low as nine at the nats.

[mr bucketracer]

Why have the buckets there then?

Or is it just to bump numbers? If so (and I don't know if it is) then it's a bit rough to make digs about sidecar numbers, no?

I've seen more meetings cancelled by solo riders dying, than sidecars causing it for any reason by the way.

Why? I've seen superbike numbers as low as nine at the nats.the bigger the reason to get younger riders into the sport

[Bert]

I've seen more meetings cancelled by solo riders dying, than sidecars causing it for any reason by the way.



Not sure why you brought up people dying Drew. What bloody wrong with you?

That's rather sick statement for anyone to make.

[steamroller]

I've seen more meetings cancelled by solo riders dying, than sidecars causing it for any reason by the way.


YOU ARE A PEACE OF SHIT

[Drew]

Not sure why you brought up people dying Drew. What bloody wrong with you?

That's rather sick statement for anyone to make.How is it sick? It's a statement of fact, I was making no comment about the riders.


I've seen more meetings cancelled by solo riders dying, than sidecars causing it for any reason by the way.


YOU ARE A PEACE OF SHITOh toughen the fuck up princess. People have died at race tracks, lots.

[Buddha#81]

It's not buckets at the nats but a development eligible bike entering that class. Buckets are regularly running at the pointy end of the development feild down here.

As for buckets lunching themselves, I can't remember when a meeting was held up by a bucket dropping oil. Other classes including tricycles is a different story! Move along Drew nothing to see here!

[speedpro]

. . I can't remember when a meeting was held up by a bucket dropping oil.

Rich dropped oil, piston bits, crankcase bits, rod bits and a few other bits as well. That caused a hold up.

Getting back on track, buckets in the development class at Hampton downs is an awesome opportunity.

[Drew]

It's not buckets at the nats but a development eligible bike entering that class. Buckets are regularly running at the pointy end of the development feild down here.

As for buckets lunching themselves, I can't remember when a meeting was held up by a bucket dropping oil. Other classes including tricycles is a different story! Move along Drew nothing to see here!
This might explain some of the animosity. I didn't intend to imply the meeting would be held up by buckets lunching themselves. I said I would expect a few to blow up coming over the hill.

[Dutchee]

This might explain some of the animosity. I didn't intend to imply the meeting would be held up by buckets lunching themselves. I said I would expect a few to blow up coming over the hill.

Drew, events have been cancelled or delayed by racers dying - sidecar and solo's. A lot of us have friends who were those racers, and whilst it may be a fact of racing, it is not something we want to dwell on, and definitely not compare to an oil spillage.

oil spills seem to be more common with sidecars.

I am sure superbike riders would rather that there was one class on the day, and I know some, if not all, believe the spectators only go to see them. personally, I go to see friends racing, and catch up with some people. I would rather watch a good race in whatever class, than a bunch of bikes riding around with no real race actually happening.

with more bikes/chairs on the grid, more actual races seem to happen, and if here's not a fight for the podium, there is often a good battle further back to keep me entertained.

and no, I am definitely not interested in riding HD on my bucket - I am struggling to find interest to even ride it at the moment, and know my past experiences at big tracks mean I won't bother riding them again, unless a training day on my road bike. But I'm not really a racer anyway.
michelle

[Drew]

Drew, events have been cancelled or delayed by racers dying - sidecar and solo's. A lot of us have friends who were those racers, and whilst it may be a fact of racing, it is not something we want to dwell on, and definitely not compare to an oil spillage.

oil spills seem to be more common with sidecars.

I am sure superbike riders would rather that there was one class on the day, and I know some, if not all, believe the spectators only go to see them. personally, I go to see friends racing, and catch up with some people. I would rather watch a good race in whatever class, than a bunch of bikes riding around with no real race actually happening.

with more bikes/chairs on the grid, more actual races seem to happen, and if here's not a fight for the podium, there is often a good battle further back to keep me entertained.

and no, I am definitely not interested in riding HD on my bucket - I am struggling to find interest to even ride it at the moment, and know my past experiences at big tracks mean I won't bother riding them again, unless a training day on my road bike. But I'm not really a racer anyway.
michelle
Goodness. An eloquent post, what is KB to think?

People can put their heads in the sand as much as they like about racers getting killed, I have lost friends too but deal with it differently.

[Dutchee]

Goodness. An eloquent post, what is KB to think?

People can put their heads in the sand as much as they like about racers getting killed, I have lost friends too but deal with it differently.
yes, we all deal with friends' and family's death differently, so why not respect others, and leave it alone? Don't be such a cock. The thread isn't about oil spills and deaths, it is whether there is any interest to run buckets at HD, and maybe Taupo.

[Drew]

yes, we all deal with friends' and family's death differently, so why not respect others, and leave it alone? Don't be such a cock. The thread isn't about oil spills and deaths, it is whether there is any interest to run buckets at HD, and maybe Taupo.

Look bitch, I didn't bring up oil spills or meetings getting held up. I simply offered that people killing themselves is in fact a bigger problem than chairs dropping oil.

I entered this thread with good intent thinking that everyone needed a full comp licence to race a nats event. One off the cuff remark about buckets blowing up seems to have led down this path. All good, I fucken love a shit fight and am happy to take this one on.

If having buckets at the track brings in more money, sweet as. Why should they get any discount if that's the case? How do ugly little home made bits of shit encourage more youngsters into development classes, when a precious few well prepared buckets can destroy them in speed and handling?

This is some bucket riding Rossi wannabe, inspiring others to be seen by the masses.

I submit no spectator passes should be given to bucket racers. Bad enough how many riders don't shower very often. Let's keep their stinking mates at home!

[Yow Ling]

I guess we should have stopped feeding the troll earlier

[ellipsis]

I guess we should have stopped feeding the troll earlier


...yes, the bucketeer's reaction times were sadly missing at that point...

[Drew]

I guess we should have stopped feeding the troll earlierIt really didn't begin as a troll. I hadn't read the rule fully regarding licences for Nats/street events obviously. A rookie mistake given the way the whole book is written and the confusion it promotes.

Once the door is open for talking shit, I just help myself.

Sorry about that.

[Kickaha]

oil spills seem to be more common with sidecars.
They're not, it's just people wank on about them more

[Drew]

They're not, it's just people wank on about them moreDon't bother mate. No one will listen.

In their defense though, when one of us drops a load of oil it's normally all of it and very quickly. I reckon that presents less of a hazard than a solo spreading it half way around the track before they realise there's an issue. But it's big and time consuming to clean up after a chair loses it's load.

Can think of a few exceptionally retarded bikes dropping oil through some people swinging spanners who really shouldn't, but in the limited times I've been to a bucket track I've only ever seen water from F5dave's MB spray out.

[ellipsis]

...extraneous oil is one of those by products of any I.C.E. under stress... we lose friends doing what we do...let's continue with...

Buckets at Nationals......................................... ........................

[mr bucketracer]

Don't bother mate. No one will listen.

In their defense though, when one of us drops a load of oil it's normally all of it and very quickly. I reckon that presents less of a hazard than a solo spreading it half way around the track before they realise there's an issue. But it's big and time consuming to clean up after a chair loses it's load.

Can think of a few exceptionally retarded bikes dropping oil through some people swinging spanners who really shouldn't, but in the limited times I've been to a bucket track I've only ever seen water from F5dave's MB spray out.and some guys rusty petrol tank at the buckets:brick:

[Drew]

and some guys rusty petrol tank at the buckets:brick:I did that. There was no obvious damage to the outside of the tank, and it hadn't been used for quite a while. How was I meant to know it was gonna leak?

[steamroller]

I did that. There was no obvious damage to the outside of the tank, and it hadn't been used for quite a while. How was I meant to know it was gonna leak?

Open your eyes and shut your mouth that may help.:zzzz:

[Drew]

Open your eyes and shut your mouth that may help.:zzzz:Oh right. I'm sure you've never missed something because it hadn't occurred to you that there might be a problem.

Yet another bucket racer who believes he's perfect. How terribly droll.

[mr bucketracer]

Open your eyes and shut your mouth that may help.:zzzz:i think the pressure of bucket racing it to much for him so think he needs a full licence for buckets:killingme

[steamroller]

i think the pressure of bucket racing it to much for him so think he needs a full licence for buckets:killingme

He might need that third wheel back on his bike to feel safe again that will take some pressure off:nya:

[Drew]

i think the pressure of bucket racing it to much for him so think he needs a full licence for buckets:killingme
You win the prize for laughing hardest at your joke. Probably because it makes no sense and no one else gets it.

I never had a problem with the pressure of buckets. It's getting the silly little things to stay upright I struggle with.

[steamroller]

You win the prize for laughing hardest at your joke. Probably because it makes no sense and no one else gets it.

I never had a problem with the pressure of buckets. It's getting the silly little things to stay upright I struggle with.

And make a lap of the track:scooter:

[Drew]

He might need that third wheel back on his bike to feel safe again that will take some pressure off:nya:I don't have a bucket, so I suggest you get on a real bike and lemme know when ya wanna take me on at Manfeild. I'm happy to lose to a better rider, but keyboard heroes hiding behind a keyboard/pseudonym don't tend to bother me too much.

[Drew]

And make a lap of the track:scooter:Both times I've brought a bike of my own making, it has done multiple sessions before it fucked out. But they did ultimately fuck out.

Ya talk a big game man. Care to elaborate on your obviously impressive resumè of racing?

[mr bucketracer]

He might need that third wheel back on his bike to feel safe again that will take some pressure off:nya:lol i like the odd trainer wheel racing but need to do both to keep above my 2year odd daughter:brick:

[mr bucketracer]

I don't have a bucket, so I suggest you get on a real bike and lemme know when ya wanna take me on at Manfeild. I'm happy to lose to a better rider, but keyboard heroes hiding behind a keyboard/pseudonym don't tend to bother me too much.omg you open you self up there

[Kickaha]

It's getting the silly little things to stay upright I struggle with.
Not to much different than you racing a sidecar then

[Drew]

Word is you were pretty handy on a real bike Scott, about a hundred years ago of course. Ever had a ride on a proper sidecar?

[Drew]

Not to much different than you racing a sidecar then
Why is it always the wrong people who come up with theses wee gems?

How did you get on against us on track last time out bro? Oh yeah, got it handed to ya.

[Drew]

omg you open you self up there
Dude's welcome to come wipe the floor with me, I am and always have been man enough to know when i'm beaten. But the ballbag's smarmy attitude is starting to give me the shits, so calling him out is the best option available to me.

Or he could grow a pair and let me in on the joke by letting everyone know who he is.

[Kickaha]

How did you get on against us on track last time out bro? Oh yeah, got it handed to ya.
Really? must have a been a different meeting than the one I recently competed at where I finished every race and then finished the feature in front of you

[steamroller]

I don't have a bucket, so I suggest you get on a real bike and lemme know when ya wanna take me on at Manfeild. I'm happy to lose to a better rider, but keyboard heroes hiding behind a keyboard/pseudonym don't tend to bother me too much.

Ok back track this sunday see you there dont whimp out:violin:

[Drew]

Ok back track this sunday see you there dont whimp out:violin:Good call. Make it Friday on the Main track instead. I'm busy on Sunday.

[Bert]

Ok back track this sunday see you there dont whimp out:violin:


Good call. Make it Friday on the Main track instead. I'm busy on Sunday.


Ok so we have gone from talking about buckets at Nationals to bollocks about sidecars vs. oil / cancelling support classes, to name calling: to now one on one match ups. Good work...:brick:

This thread is F#cked.

[mr bucketracer]

Good call. Make it Friday on the Main track instead. I'm busy on Sunday.you could make it after church:facepalm:

[steamroller]

Good call. Make it Friday on the Main track instead. I'm busy on Sunday.

I have a job see you this weekend

[mr bucketracer]

my head hurts someone take over

[Drew]

I have a job see you this weekendWhat are you riding? So I know which is the best bike to bring along.

[steamroller]

What are you riding? So I know which is the best bike to bring along.

MY mobility scooter

[koba]

What are you riding? So I know which is the best bike to bring along.

I can loan you my bike if I get it going, don't think it will be enough though.

[jellywrestler]

Ever had a ride on a proper sidecar? have you?

[Drew]

I can loan you my bike if I get it going, don't think it will be enough though.

I'm not riding a bucket. The challenge I laid down is for proper bikes.

[Drew]

have you?

I'll have no bad talking our chair. It has a few handling quirks, but we're working through them and can compensate by sliding all over the shop and employing the enormous grunt.

[koba]

I'll have no bad talking our chair.

I thought you said you hate hypocrisy?

[Drew]

I thought you said you hate hypocrisy?

To quote a good mate of mine. "I might be one, but I fucken hate hypocrites".

[lodgernz]

I'm so glad Frits and Wobbly don't read this thread. That would be the end of their participation on the ESE thread