New computer solves no problems

[slofox]

Well, not quite - it doesn't run Vista for a start (W7 64bit now).

But the usual shit still happens - this or that software won't run, have had to change away from Chrome back to Firefox due to issues with video replay, the laser printer wouldn't work for a bit but miraculously cured itself of the problem when I was away for four days and switched the whole rig off at the wall...(how the fuck does THAT happen?). The other printer (inkjet) is too old for the makers to support on a new OS (although windows will happily use it to print but won't use the scan function despite spending a weekend looking for appropriate drivers). One month down the track and it is still a pain in the arse sorting shit out.

On the plus side, it gives great graphics playing Far Cry 3 and has oodles of RAM and HDD space.

Usual fucking windows shit I suppose. :ar15:

[Moi]

Don't start me... had Firefox update itself automatically [yeah, I know, should have turned off the auto update] to version 15. Adobe Flash had also updated earlier and ran ok until Firefox did its update. What a pain in the butt! Firefox crashed and ran slow with Flash. Finally had enough last night, so dumped version 15 for an earlier version and did the same with Adobe Flash and it seems to be ok now... fingers crossed...

Mozilla and Adobe products have been very reliable in the past - so why can't they get their act together over this problem?

[Akzle]

http://distrowatch.com/

i'm glad to hear you've ended your term in vista hell, slo.

get xp. get virtualbox. get linux. get a new color laser printer (inkjet is massive waste of everything unless you're running continuous ink and printing photos every day)

run devmgmt.msc and remove the entry for your scanner, run the xp diver install in compatibility mode... somewhere i heard tell of people forcing 7 to use other drivers one way and another.
ahh drivers. i remember the bad old days. fuck windows is stupid.

oh yeah, if something doesn't work, reboot. it's the windows way.

[Akzle]

here's some linux that comes with winblows tucked safely in a box where you can just close it when it fucks you off.

http://www.robolinux.org/

[Tazz]

http://adigaskell.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/computer-says-no.jpg

[Akzle]

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not to me they dont...

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fc1.staticflickr.com%2F3%2F2297%2F 2113102391_3042a3bd0a_z.jpg&f=1

[R650R]

It always seems you people who like the fancy browsers are the ones that have problems. I tried chrome and firefox and couldn't see the point, just a new interface to learn which means time wasted.

Internet explorer has always pretty much done the job...
Had Vista on laptop and no real issues.

Now running 8 core Win 7 professional 16GB ram and 64bit and internet explorer. I don't install a lot of junk though, pretty much just all my Adobe photo stuff and couple games, NFS Rivals hot pursuit and BF3.
Did initially have Epson driver issues as older printer/scanner but awhile back there was an update that fixed that, not easy to find, more epsons fault than windows. Then the print head died anyway!
I think a big problem these days is malware/spyware sucking system resources and people don't know.
Stay off dubious websites and don't click anything free games etc.....

My only complaint is the hard drive constantly spinning due to the Google, NSA and GSCB spying and the computer self starting from sleep when it shouldn't....

[Tazz]

It always seems you people who like the fancy browsers are the ones that have problems.

ha.

http://pressupinc.com/blog/2014/07/still-shouldnt-use-internet-explorer/

[bogan]

W7 is the solution to the problem that is vista, as for drivers, was it a clean instal or did your old stuff just get upgraded? Also scanners are dicks anyway, get a usb capable one and just scan as tiff/pdf to a usb drive.


It always seems you people who like the fancy browsers are the ones that have problems. I tried chrome and firefox and couldn't see the point, just a new interface to learn which means time wasted.

...

My only complaint is the hard drive constantly spinning due to the Google, NSA and GSCB spying and the computer self starting from sleep when it shouldn't....

Stop using crapware so that shit can de-spool :D


peaking of shitohuse updates though, while back some numpty coked up the FTDI drivers for arduino chips, bricked the device when it was plugged into compy, so you'd then plug in another one to try and fault test, and so on... :facepalm:

[Akzle]

My only complaint is the hard drive constantly spinning due to the Google, NSA and GSCB spying and the computer self starting from sleep when it shouldn't....

internet explorer is basically a virus. hell, windows is a virus. but internet explorer is an horrendous piece of shit.
opera had tabbed browsing from, liek, version 2.0 (think windows 95) microshit didn't incorporate it until like, fucken last year.
also, have they removed the 'internet settings' dialog out of MSPAINT yet?

fuck knows how in winblows (in linux it's a nifty file called hdparm, whence one sets APM and/or acoustic management (or any other fucking setting you want, actually) for the drive's board.) but look for something like that... i'm picking deep in the guts of the diskmanagement snap in for compmgmt.msc, or a registry tweak.
god what a heinous piece of shit the rigstry is.

[bogan]

internet explorer is basically a virus. hell, windows is a virus. but internet explorer is an horrendous piece of shit.
opera had tabbed browsing from, liek, version 2.0 (think windows 95) microshit didn't incorporate it until like, fucken last year.
also, have they removed the 'internet settings' dialog out of MSPAINT yet?

fuck knows how in winblows (in linux it's a nifty file called hdparm, whence one sets APM and/or acoustic management (or any other fucking setting you want, actually) for the drive's board.) but look for something like that... i'm picking deep in the guts of the diskmanagement snap in for compmgmt.msc, or a registry tweak.
god what a heinous piece of shit the rigstry is.

Farkk, we get it already, you're a linux hipster. I think though, for mr slofox, the hipster thing is not an option.

[Akzle]

Farkk, we get it already, you're a linux hipster. I think though, for mr slofox, the hipster thing is not an option.

i prefer the term fanboy, and being what i've linuxed before linux was hip (remember when red hat was free?), i think i qualify.
and linux is an option for many many people. most people. even. they just don't bother to try.

[AllanB]

I laughed last week. Got Mrs B a laptop for work - came with a instruction 'page' - basically one sheet in multi languages stating, place battery in rear, turn on.

Modern world presumes you know what to do re set-up from there.

[Gremlin]

Looks like you're one of those people that break nice things just by looking at it. Unfortunately for you... the computer is beating you :laugh:

Use IE? Urgh, hell no. It may have other reasons, but mostly, those that get viruses are those using IE. It could be that the less savvy stay with whatever was installed... who knows. IE Tab 2 gives you IE rendering in Firefox for those instances that you really need it.

That said... Firefox isn't as good as it used to be... but I still definitely like it more than Chrome...

[R650R]

Looks like you're one of those people that break nice things just by looking at it. Unfortunately for you... the computer is beating you :laugh:

Use IE? Urgh, hell no. It may have other reasons, but mostly, those that get viruses are those using IE. It could be that the less savvy stay with whatever was installed... who knows. IE Tab 2 gives you IE rendering in Firefox for those instances that you really need it.

That said... Firefox isn't as good as it used to be... but I still definitely like it more than Chrome...

You seem quite techy, can you explain in computers for dummies level exactly what REAL advantages their are for using these other browsers.
As all I want to do is type in a web address to browser or click on bookmarked links and the frequent sites tabs.
99.99% of the time the computer goes to there no problems, now and then windows 'stops working' like any software etc...

To me these other browsers are like buying a blingy set of brake calipers, on paper their probably 'better' but in the real world the average joe is not going to use the potential. :)

[Drew]

Haven't read everyone else' replies because I wouldn't understand most of it anyway. Is your printer 32bit? I had to have a geek make our old printer work, by changing the settings to 32 from 64 at the PC.

[breakaway]

You seem quite techy, can you explain in computers for dummies level exactly what REAL advantages their are for using these other browsers.
As all I want to do is type in a web address to browser or click on bookmarked links and the frequent sites tabs.
99.99% of the time the computer goes to there no problems, now and then windows 'stops working' like any software etc...

To me these other browsers are like buying a blingy set of brake calipers, on paper their probably 'better' but in the real world the average joe is not going to use the potential. :)

The reason I switched to firefox after years of using IE is because of the extension engine. At the time, IE had no way third party plugins, but FF has always had this for as long as I can remember. Extensions like adblock (blocks ads), ghostery (blocks cookies / behaviour tracking), noscript (stops all scripts from executing which can be a security measure). There's an extension called DownThemAll which is a download manager for Firefox -- this is a benefit in itself so I don't have to run a third party download manager software. Then there's the productivity add-ons such as being able to undo close tabs easily, pinning tabs as an 'app' so they're always open and take up little memory, preserving my browsing sesesion so when I turn my computer off, when I come back the following day I can open up firefox and I have the same shit open as I did berfore.

Chrome also has similar extensions. It's the fastest browser out there. It has its own built-in PDF and Flash player (so you can install it and no fucking around outside the browser to get things to play nice).

[bogan]

The reason I switched to firefox after years of using IE is because of the extension engine. At the time, IE had no way third party plugins, but FF has always had this for as long as I can remember. Extensions like adblock (blocks ads), ghostery (blocks cookies / behaviour tracking), noscript (stops all scripts from executing which can be a security measure). There's an extension called DownThemAll which is a download manager for Firefox -- this is a benefit in itself so I don't have to run a third party download manager software. Then there's the productivity add-ons such as being able to undo close tabs easily, pinning tabs as an 'app' so they're always open and take up little memory, preserving my browsing sesesion so when I turn my computer off, when I come back the following day I can open up firefox and I have the same shit open as I did berfore.

Chrome also has similar extensions. It's the fastest browser out there. It has its own built-in PDF and Flash player (so you can install it and no fucking around outside the browser to get things to play nice).

I went with Opera cos it does half that stuff out of the box, no need for add-ons etc.

[Gremlin]

As all I want to do is type in a web address to browser or click on bookmarked links and the frequent sites tabs.
99.99% of the time the computer goes to there no problems, now and then windows 'stops working' like any software etc...
On the basic level, yes, IE is going to go to web pages, you can have favourites etc. However, as per the link, it doesn't always play nicely with web pages.

Further, I switched to Firefox when IE didn't have tabs, it caught up a few years later. Firefox can be customised in layout so on my machines I have the toolbar along the top (I still like it there) with the bookmarks to the right of it (and you can have folders of bookmarks within the bookmarks toolbar, then tabs on the 2nd row, then address bar, then web page. I find the layout of IE crappy.

When I setup new computers for clients I put Firefox on and adblock plus, gives them some nice browsing without ads. Yep, Chrome could do that to, but I've never found it intuitive.

I also find IE more vulnerable to crappy addons. That said, Firefox can definitely be broken with crappy addons...

Ultimately, there are a heap of options out there, and for basic needs, yes, IE would work, but I encourage people away from it and onto Firefox, Chrome if they prefer.


Haven't read everyone else' replies because I wouldn't understand most of it anyway. Is your printer 32bit? I had to have a geek make our old printer work, by changing the settings to 32 from 64 at the PC.
Depending on age of printer, the printers themselves will work with most things. Just need the drivers to be 64bit or 32bit. Years ago you struggled to get 64bit drivers, but it's pretty mainstream to have 64bit compatibility.

[Akzle]

You seem quite techy, can you explain in computers for dummies level exactly what REAL advantages their are for using these other browsers.
jew free internetting. well, not quite. but you're 100x less likely to get hacked using something else, it will whore less system resources and it's not sucking the microsoft tit.



Chrome also has similar extensions. It's the fastest browser out there.
no it isn't and i don't know why you'd say that.


I went with Opera cos it does half that stuff out of the box, no need for add-ons etc.

told you so/you're welcome.
also, download the aquarium widget.

[Drew]

Depending on age of printer, the printers themselves will work with most things. Just need the drivers to be 64bit or 32bit. Years ago you struggled to get 64bit drivers, but it's pretty mainstream to have 64bit compatibility.Mibby my old laser printer is just really old, but Stevie had a right old job trying to get my nearly as old computer to send it info at 32bit rates.

[R650R]

Thanks for replies, are these plugins free or do you have to pay...?

Wont a lot of sites not work properly if you disable cookies anyway?

And do the4 ad blockers stop those shitty NZ herald ones that blank out the whole page when you first visit or just your garden variety malware pop ups?

[Akzle]

Thanks for replies, are these plugins free or do you have to pay...?

Wont a lot of sites not work properly if you disable cookies anyway?

And do the4 ad blockers stop those shitty NZ herald ones that blank out the whole page when you first visit or just your garden variety malware pop ups?

1) anything you have to pay for isn't worth it. microsoft, ie.

2) yes and no. cookies provide some functionality. ("remember my log in" ie).
it's tracking cookies and third party (usually google) that give, errr.... "customer-centric product-advisement delivery"...

3) no. they now design it in to sites.
personally i just block *.google.* and that takes care of most of the bullshit, embedded or no.



i feel fucken indian today.

[Gremlin]

Thanks for replies, are these plugins free or do you have to pay...?
Some add-ons might cost, others will often ask for a donation (but not mandatory). Remember that some might have given up their job to develop full time, so need income somehow...

[BMWST?]

i started using chrome because IE wouldnt play with google maps properly.Have stuck with chrome ever since

[Moi]

After much muttering and many coffees got Firefox v31 and Flash v14 to co-habitat and behave... Might look for a slightly newer version of Firefox, might not... laptop has to last for another 4 weeks and then retirement... :woohoo: