Building a Bucket - Where to start?

[Slingshot]

Hi all, I've started looking for parts to build the future championship winning bucket racer.

Problem is I have no idea what to look for.

Can someone tell me if this (http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/auction_detail.asp?id=35242716) would be a good engine to look at?

I was initially thinking of a four-stroke, not sure why...I just was. After going to the buckets on Sunday it seems that most run two-strokers.
Anyone got any suggestions?

Cheers

[Skunk]

Hi all, I've started looking for parts to build the future championship winning bucket racer.
Stand in line...

Problem is I have no idea what to look for.
Niether did I which is why I have an AX100; it came along first.

Can someone tell me if this (http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/auction_detail.asp?id=35242716) would be a good engine to look at?
I was looking at that too. But I don't know, sorry.

I was initially thinking of a four-stroke, not sure why...I just was. After going to the buckets on Sunday it seems that most run two-strokers.Guess it's the better power to weight thing - simple too. (To start with)

Just get something and ride it - With that little power on hand the rider is a big thing. You'll soon find what's lacking and then you fix it. (I my case it's the gearbox that's lacking; followed by the clutch... :rofl: )

PM Kickaha, Speedpro, Dangerous et al... they'd have the best ideas etc

Do you know the rules and classes?

[texmo]

2strokes are a lot harder to tune, four strokes cost less and take less effort to mantain

[Slingshot]

Do you know the rules and classes?

Not really, from what I gather there are engine cc restrictions depending on the engine type.
You need leathers (which I need to get, on the look out for these on the cheap too).
You need a race licence (do you need to have a road licence to get a race one?

If you can point me in the direction of the rule book I'll have a read.

[gav]

2strokes are a lot harder to tune, four strokes cost less and take less effort to mantain
Somehow I can't see Kickaha agreeing with this, you seen how many motors hes blown up lately? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Re the motor advertised on trade me, think you can only run a 24mm card on an air cooled 125.
Best option slingshot, is to buy a complete racebike ready to roll, expect to pay somewhere between say $500- $1000.
Failing that a good road bike runner so you know it at least goes. Strip all the road gear off and add whatever requirements your local racing organistaion requires. Buy the stickiest tyres you can afford and go racing, have fun. Once you raced for abit you'll find things you want to upgrade, brakes, suspension, bodywork etc. Be warned its addictive and your bike is never "finished".

[Kickaha]

Somehow I can't see Kickaha agreeing with this, you seen how many motors hes blown up lately? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Do the words get fucked have any meaning to you? two motors in five years of racing isn't that bad, although two motors in three meetings isn't that good :no:


Re the motor advertised on trade me, think you can only run a 24mm card on an air cooled 125. that is correct


Best option slingshot, is to buy a complete racebike ready to roll, expect to pay somewhere between say $500- $1000.
Failing that a good road bike runner so you know it at least goes. Strip all the road gear off and add whatever requirements your local racing organistaion requires. Buy the stickiest tyres you can afford and go racing, have fun. Once you raced for abit you'll find things you want to upgrade, brakes, suspension, bodywork etc. Be warned its addictive and your bike is never "finished".

What he said :yes: it's always easier to start with a complete bike and modify to suit

[froggyfrenchman]

sorry mate, youll never be the champion, my bikes not for sale... :devil2:

Up here at the Hawkes Bay buckets, there are mostly 4stroke buckets.

The gl145 is the most popular engine to start out with round here. Best of luck building your bike

In saying that, there are a couple of guys on honda 125's that can really ride and have a well set up bike and are always close to the front of the pack.
We even have a 13yo boy on some hybird 100 that can ride amazingly well! he has experiance racing moto x and speedway solos.

Never mind though, ive still built the fastest bike on the track and am the Bucket Champion! :Punk:

As well as my power advantage, i thank my brakes equally as much.. having tripple disks and decent sized rims is great. (You ever tried buyin pirelli sport demons to fit cg110 or the likes :rofl: )

Make sure you talk to your local club and find out what their rules and regs are with building your beast.

Frogman
:ride:

[Slingshot]

What he said :yes: it's always easier to start with a complete bike and modify to suit

I really want to build one though, I know it would be easier to just buy a running bike but where's the fun in that?
Can anyone point me in the direction of the "rule book" or the website of the Wgtn club?

Also, if anyone knows of an engine going cheap, let me know.

Cheers John

[Wellyman]

Go to a motorcycle wrecker first and see what wrecks they have in stock that would make a good bucket. right now we have a Suzuki FX125, the perfect bucket see: http://www.atomicbikes.co.nz/wreckimage/fx125.jpg

2004 only travelled 4000km. Great bucket go kart motor 6 speed double overhead cam. Bent frame and front wheel.

[speights_bud]

sorry mate, youll never be the champion, my bikes not for sale... :devil2:

Up here at the Hawkes Bay buckets, there are mostly 4stroke buckets.

The gl145 is the most popular engine to start out with round here. Best of luck building your bike

In saying that, there are a couple of guys on honda 125's that can really ride and have a well set up bike and are always close to the front of the pack.
We even have a 13yo boy on some hybird 100 that can ride amazingly well! he has experiance racing moto x and speedway solos.

Never mind though, ive still built the fastest bike on the track and am the Bucket Champion! :Punk:

As well as my power advantage, i thank my brakes equally as much.. having tripple disks and decent sized rims is great. (You ever tried buyin pirelli sport demons to fit cg110 or the likes :rofl: )

Make sure you talk to your local club and find out what their rules and regs are with building your beast.

Frogman
:ride:

Did i hear you say your bike has burnt out the coil windings and wasn't able to finish the last race day? And if i remember rightly, brakes aren't that effective when you aint going forward...
Nice to see you got pride in your bike though froggy.
As for the 13yo, he's got some really nice lines, glad i didn't race against him, he probably woulda beaten me!. Wouldn't be suprised if he did because i ride a 'slow shitty A100'.

But back to begining buckets. My a100 has cost me about $100 all up. Mainly because i was given the bike stock standard. Did most of the work myself on it, running standard carbs etc, just built an expansion chamber and sanded the head down a bit for more compression, put a disc brake on it and thats about all, the rest was cosmetic. Although it was probably one of the cheaper bikes out on the track it was still keeping right up there around the front.

My advice, get anything you can within your price range, get out on the track and give it a go. Then go from there.

[froggyfrenchman]

Did i hear you say your bike has burnt out the coil windings and wasn't able to finish the last race day? And if i remember rightly, brakes aren't that effective when you aint going forward...
Nice to see you got pride in your bike though froggy.
As for the 13yo, he's got some really nice lines, glad i didn't race against him, he probably woulda beaten me!. Wouldn't be suprised if he did because i ride a 'slow shitty A100'.

But back to begining buckets. My a100 has cost me about $100 all up. Mainly because i was given the bike stock standard. Did most of the work myself on it, running standard carbs etc, just built an expansion chamber and sanded the head down a bit for more compression, put a disc brake on it and thats about all, the rest was cosmetic. Although it was probably one of the cheaper bikes out on the track it was still keeping right up there around the front.

My advice, get anything you can within your price range, get out on the track and give it a go. Then go from there.

Poor lil speights... Just wait till you get a real bike and can ride a bit better. As soon as you beat me in a race, il start listening to you. And dont try fooling the kind people here on KB into thinkin you have beet me yet. Just settle down, you will get there one day. No need to punch above your weight by talking the big talk to alistair and i online then gettn your ass kicked on the track
By the way, bikes running now. only missed one race, could have fixed in pits.

As for the reliabulty of your a100. Stock bikes dont blow up easily. Get adventurous and go looking for power in your motor. i bet theres a lot in there just waiting to be unlocked

[Slingshot]

The engine that was on Trade-me has just been offered to me. It doesn't sound like it will suit so I'm going to leave it.

If anyone is selling an engine let me know.

[Skunk]

You'll find the 'rules' in here (F4 and F5). http://www.mnz.co.nz/competitionrules.aspx

[SPORK]

Oh man, I'd LOVE to have a bucket like FFMs to piss around on!

How much did it cost all up?

[Skunk]

I really want to build one though, I know it would be easier to just buy a running bike but where's the fun in that?I know what you mean but even if you buy a standard bike and just ride that you will have plenty of building to do - trust me!
I was going to get the 'perfect' frame and engine and wheels etc and build one... but will it be right for me in the end?
Here I start with a running shitter and replace and build on the way... in the end it's my bucket.
Already got other forks to put on and front brakes are on the way (I hope).

[Skunk]

website of the Wgtn clubBayden's site (http://www.scs.net.nz/scspromos.htm) lists the local events.
He needs to update it though.

[speedpro]

It doesn't matter what you buy, you will end up changing stuff, even if it is the best bucket in the world, if Froggy was selling. Buy a going bucket, at least you'll be out there racing straight away. You'll need a 2-stroke to go REALLY fast and there aren't many choices when you take everything into consideration. If you only require to go fast then a 150 4-stroke would seem to be a good option.

[Slingshot]

It doesn't matter what you buy, you will end up changing stuff, even if it is the best bucket in the world, if Froggy was selling. Buy a going bucket, at least you'll be out there racing straight away. You'll need a 2-stroke to go REALLY fast and there aren't many choices when you take everything into consideration. If you only require to go fast then a 150 4-stroke would seem to be a good option.

Just been reading the rules...I see you can turbo a 4 stroker if it's under 100cc. :Punk:

I think I'll still look to build one.

[dangerous]

Just been reading the rules...I see you can turbo a 4 stroker if it's under 100cc. :Punk:

Sure can.... the lads are working on one right now, well between a dozon other projects http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=279163&postcount=27

[Slingshot]

Sure can.... the lads are working on one right now, well between a dozon other projects http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=279163&postcount=27

That is cool!!!

[Skunk]

Just been reading the rules...I see you can turbo a 4 stroker if it's under 100cc. :Punk:

I think I'll still look to build one.Shit you're keen ain't ya! :woohoo:

Go for it, I'll see ya on the track.

[Slingshot]

Shit you're keen ain't ya! :woohoo:

Go for it, I'll see ya on the track.

Not that keen, I'll start with an NA engine.

Anyone know if you can use NOS?:Punk:

[Sketchy_Racer]

if you can start with a lightweight 250 sports bike chassis your on the right road, it will be a good basis to start from and then a deacent powered engine.

[Ivan]

if you can start with a lightweight 250 sports bike chassis your on the right road, it will be a good basis to start from and then a deacent powered engine.


Yes you are right glen they have so much potential and so do the good ol RG50 chassis if you do some work to them dont know what your one was like but it looks like it could easialyy do the job a couple of fairings here and there a bit of duck tape and it would be awsome like myne except faster

[Sketchy_Racer]

na my little rg cahssis couldnt handle 22 hp it kept twisting and distorting when you got on the gas..

[Slingshot]

I think I might have a chassis lined up...just waiting on the dude to call me back.
Gotta find an engine though so keep your ears to the ground for me.

[Ivan]

na my little rg cahssis couldnt handle 22 hp it kept twisting and distorting when you got on the gas..


And to think I wanted to race it

[speedpro]

na my little rg cahssis couldnt handle 22 hp it kept twisting and distorting when you got on the gas..
Mines OK(?) with 22.5hp measured at the rear wheel. I have done a few mods to it though.

[Sketchy_Racer]

the only mod to mine is the rear swingarm which is fine, but every meeting i can see that the motor is moving, by huge amounts, not so bad now as i got a new mount welded in but still scary, not to mention the handling, where do i start?? but i still got 5th overall last year so not bad...

[Ivan]

Mines OK(?) with 22.5hp measured at the rear wheel. I have done a few mods to it though.

Mynes about 8BHP lol