Pillion grab strap?

[awa355]

Has anyone seen this setup in NZ?. Not sure I would want a pillion using one. `If she needs to reach around and grab something to grip, I'm sure I could find something better:clap::clap:

http://www.motorcycle.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Motorcycle-Tank-Passenger-Handle.jpg

Here's the article. http://www.motorcycle.com/features/passenger-responsibility.html

[Gremlin]

One of the race teams (Trashie would have more details I think) used to have a 2 up bike for taking out sponsors, and it had a handle by the gas cap.

Other option is straps you put around you with a handle on either side. Quasimoto used to sell them...

[Big Dog]

If they can reach around me they won't be pillioning with me. Just because that would put is over max recommended laden weight.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[buggerit]

Looks like it would tear your family jewels off in an accident:eek5:

[Maha]

Other option is straps you put around you with a handle on either side. Quasimoto used to sell them...

:laugh: I have seen those who use them, still wearing them while off their bike walking around.

[Akzle]

Has anyone seen this setup in NZ?. Not sure I would want a pillion using one. `If she needs to reach around and grab something to grip, I'm sure I could find something better:clap::clap:

[IMG]
Here's the article. http://www.motorcycle.com/features/passenger-responsibility.html

it's on a fucken honda, that should be a man behind the other man.

also, sitting way too far back.

[GrayWolf]

One of the race teams (Trashie would have more details I think) used to have a 2 up bike for taking out sponsors, and it had a handle by the gas cap.

Other option is straps you put around you with a handle on either side. Quasimoto used to sell them...

They're made by Oxford.. we called them 'love handles' years ago.....
I still have 2 sets, and they are actually quite effective especially on sprotties with the 'suicide perch' at the back.

[R650R]

Screw having pillion on sportsbikes, its only there for emergencies. Nothing wrong with hands on hips.
Either way they will still headbutt the back of your new helmet no matter how smoothly you brake....

[haydes55]

Juniper and Brian have this set up on Brian's bike (can't remember Brian's moniker for here). Works well for them.

[iYRe]

Other option is straps you put around you with a handle on either side. Quasimoto used to sell them...

I have a set (called love handles) from Cycletreads or some shop..

Use them for the kids, because its easier for them to hold on.. My daughter decided when she was about 6 she didnt need them any more. My Son who is 3, will start using them soon.

[angle]

Juniper and Brian have this set up on Brian's bike (can't remember Brian's moniker for here). Works well for them.

GravelRashKid. Yes it works very well for them, he consistently scrapes pegs in the corners when riding with a pillion.

[T.W.R]

:rolleyes:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=305323&d=1415918072

[Maha]

Juniper and Brian have this set up on Brian's bike (can't remember Brian's moniker for here). Works well for them.

Anne puts her hands inside my jacket pockets (when in pillion mode) no real need for add-on contraptions unless you have a child (or someone) on the back that has little idea of how to pillion.

[breakaway]

Screw having pillion on sportsbikes, its only there for emergencies. Nothing wrong with hands on hips.
Either way they will still headbutt the back of your new helmet no matter how smoothly you brake....

I dunno about you but I love having a nice moist vag by my ass while I'm riding hard.

[Juniper]

We use it rather well. It's great for when you don't want to put unnecessary weight or pressure on the rider while in the corners, for more sedate riding or on the straights and commuting they can just use the bitch bar.

It allows the pillion to let rider move more freely in the seat. My only gripe with it is that the grips are horizontal and the natural resting direction of the pillions hands is usually vertical.

[GravelRashKid]

Yes the bitch bar or hands on hips is fine for most of the time (I prefer hands on hips, as you have a better feel for the unexpected).
On occasion we (very much a rider/pillion unit) will ride fairly hard. This riding style (both sliding and both dropping the knee) makes very good use of the handle (as pictured in the 1st post (less the riding position, lol)).
My bike is a sports tourer. A true sports bike isn't designed for a pillion at all.
We considered the straps, but figure this would only create more of a disconnect and delay between rider/bike/pillion.

[nzspokes]

GravelRashKid. Yes it works very well for them, he consistently scrapes pegs in the corners when riding with a pillion.

I would be getting the suspension looked at then.

[GravelRashKid]

I would be getting the suspension looked at then.

Lol, yeah that's the reason.

[nzspokes]

Lol, yeah that's the reason.

Yes it will be. My old Hornet would drag bits until the suspension was sorted. My current bike has had the suspension sorted and is great 2 up, I just add a few turns of preload.

[Gremlin]

Lol, yeah that's the reason.
I think you're sarcastic? I'll run with that... spokes has a very good point :laugh:

Even with my Ohlins in the BMW, I could predict when 2up, I would touch stands down mid corner, to the point I had to alter my approach to the corner to stop it happening. Last service, I spoke to Rob about it and he put a stiffer spring in the rear... just need an opportunity to test it properly, but I very rarely scrape it now. I was worried with OEM suspension I would lose most of the stands through grinding them away...

[nzspokes]

I think you're sarcastic? I'll run with that... spokes has a very good point :laugh:

Even with my Ohlins in the BMW, I could predict when 2up, I would touch stands down mid corner, to the point I had to alter my approach to the corner to stop it happening. Last service, I spoke to Rob about it and he put a stiffer spring in the rear... just need an opportunity to test it properly, but I very rarely scrape it now. I was worried with OEM suspension I would lose most of the stands through grinding them away...

I rode with a guy on an old bike, he thought he was a hero as he had ground his pegs down. But watching him mid turn you could see the bike wallow due to a light spring and un-serviced shocks.

[haydes55]

I rode with a guy on an old bike, he thought he was a hero as he had ground his pegs down. But watching him mid turn you could see the bike wallow due to a light spring and un-serviced shocks.


Chicken strips and ground pegs would be a telltale sign. My suspension was the opposite, rebound was too stiff, but preload was about right. Still caused the pegs to scrape when I hit a bump mid corner and the rear pogo stick (shock) rebounded too quick, caused the back to slide out and the peg to hit down. I had scrape marks in my chicken strips that day (and brown marks elsewhere).

[scumdog]

also, sitting way too far back.

Meh, that's the normal set-up with sprotsbike pillions....;)

[Maha]

Chicken strips and ground pegs would be a telltale sign. My suspension was the opposite, rebound was too stiff, but preload was about right. Still caused the pegs to scrape when I hit a bump mid corner and the rear pogo stick (shock) rebounded too quick, caused the back to slide out and the peg to hit down. I had scrape marks in my chicken strips that day (and brown marks elsewhere).

Given that this is a thread about a pillion accessory, no amount of rear shock adjustment (when adding an extra 60-70kgs to the rear) will make a bike handle better, if said rear shock is passed it's used by date. The wallowing effect due to flogged out suspension (as spokes pointed out) will give the impression that you are over more than you think, by momentarily touching the road rather than a sustained scrape.

[Juniper]

I would be getting the suspension looked at then.

I have a feeling Mark Waters redid the suspension on Tigger to cater for the extra weight. Some thingies were put in the front and some adjusting and stuff was done to the rear while I had to sit on it to get it right.

The pillion could probably do with loosing some of those extra kg's which could fix the problem.

[nzspokes]

A fix done in a carpark is not a fix. It may be an improvement but it still sounds dangerous. It should not be grounding pegs 2up. It may seem cool but I wouldn't ride it like that. Even worse it this is happening on the road.

[pritch]

momentarily touching the road rather than a sustained scrape.

There's no scrape like a sustained scrape. One day I stood at the top of the hill on the Akaroa road admiring the view, as you do, and a big block Harley came back up the hill. He gave new meaning to the phrase "sustained scrape".

[GravelRashKid]

A fix done in a carpark is not a fix. It may be an improvement but it still sounds dangerous. It should not be grounding pegs 2up. It may seem cool but I wouldn't ride it like that. Even worse it this is happening on the road.

I think you can stop there my friend. No-one but you has said or implied any of the following:
a) That the suspension work was done in a carpark,
b) That I think our riding style is "cool",
c) That the lean angle of my bike while 2-up is attributed to wallowing.
There are very few stretches of road in which we have the confidence, to take our riding to 90% like this. 2-up on a track would be ideal.

The point of our contribution to this thread, was that we believe the tank mounted pillion handle is a brilliant system.

[Banditbandit]

http://www.motivationalz.com/pictures/meanwhile_in_mexico.jpg

[Maha]

A fix done in a carpark is not a fix. It may be an improvement but it still sounds dangerous. It should not be grounding pegs 2up. It may seem cool but I wouldn't ride it like that. Even worse it this is happening on the road.

Mark is no slouch when it comes to all things motorcycling and would often tweak/correct things on bikes when asked on our Cape rides, he's good like that. In saying that, even he can only do so much to 'old' gear to alleviate any concern by the rider. He is staying here for a few days soon. Adding some thingies aka oil & spacers and making an adjustment for rider/pillion sag to the rear bit is possibly all it got.

There's no scrape like a sustained scrape. One day I stood at the top of the hill on the Akaroa road admiring the view, as you do, and a big block Harley came back up the hill. He gave new meaning to the phrase "sustained scrape".

Low centre of gravity etc....probably the best bikes ever to make touchdown, pipes first?

[Gremlin]

Low centre of gravity etc....probably the best bikes ever to make touchdown, pipes first?
First thing I scraped on my boss's blackbird was the aftermarket headers when 2-up :pinch: They sat just a little proud of the fairing on the bottom right. Had to wind up the rear preload 6 notches through the course of a day (we did a base setup before I borrowed it)... and it had an Ohlins rear shock...

[Maha]

First thing I scraped on my boss's blackbird was the aftermarket headers when 2-up :pinch: They sat just a little proud of the fairing on the bottom right. Had to wind up the rear preload 6 notches through the course of a day (we did a base setup before I borrowed it)... and it had an Ohlins rear shock...

No need for any of that grown up shit on a Bergman.

[nzspokes]

I have no question of Mark's ability to work on a bike. He knows his stuff.

[Mom]

especially on sprotties with the 'suicide perch' at the back.

I think you will find that is called a bitch pad, or as I referred to it as a fanny brick. Horrible things!

[buggerit]

Mark is no slouch when it comes to all things motorcycling and would often tweak/correct things on bikes when asked on our Cape rides, he's good like that. In saying that, even he can only do so much to 'old' gear to alleviate any concern by the rider. He is staying here for a few days soon. Adding some thingies aka oil & spacers and making an adjustment for rider/pillion sag to the rear bit is possibly all it got.


Low centre of gravity etc....probably the best bikes ever to make touchdown, pipes first?

Suggesting fixes for a pillions rear end sag :confused::shutup:is not worth the trouble in my humble opinion-just sayin:sweatdrop

[Maha]

Suggesting fixes for a pillions rear end sag :confused::shutup:is not worth the trouble in my humble opinion-just sayin:sweatdrop

Measured in axe handles or hands high? I can never quite remember.

[buggerit]

Measured in axe handles or hands high? I can never quite remember.

axe handle accross, hands tween:nono::lol:

[GrayWolf]

I rode with a guy on an old bike, he thought he was a hero as he had ground his pegs down. But watching him mid turn you could see the bike wallow due to a light spring and un-serviced shocks.

Nah mate an 'old' bike?? Wallowing and poorly sprung suspension and fork flexion is the NORM..... lmao.. go ride an XSessive 1100 :facepalm::yes:

[nzspokes]

Nah mate an 'old' bike?? Wallowing and poorly sprung suspension and fork flexion is the NORM..... lmao.. go ride an XSessive 1100 :facepalm::yes:

Well to be fair my bike cant be called young. But servicing the suspension and correct springs means it handles very well. And nothing drags on the road with a pillion on. :niceone:

As you have the life of your pillion in your hands, making sure the bike is set up for the task is a no brainer.

Which is good considering im "well feed" as RT would put it.:wait:

The tank handles seem like a good idea. I wouldn't use one but I can see its value.

[Juniper]

I think you will find that is called a bitch pad, or as I referred to it as a fanny brick. Horrible things!

YEP!! I call it a token pillion seat for tiny Asian models!!

[buggerit]

Anne puts her hands inside my jacket pockets (when in pillion mode) no real need for add-on contraptions unless you have a child (or someone) on the back that has little idea of how to pillion.

This doesnt affect your concentration?:drool:

[GrayWolf]

Well to be fair my bike cant be called young. But servicing the suspension and correct springs means it handles very well. And nothing drags on the road with a pillion on. :niceone:

As you have the life of your pillion in your hands, making sure the bike is set up for the task is a no brainer.

Which is good considering im "well feed" as RT would put it.:wait:

The tank handles seem like a good idea. I wouldn't use one but I can see its value.

The Hawk is a 'new' bike really.... things like the XS1.1 I mentioned are before the Jap's started to consider making frames and suspension that were designed to handle the power/weight/speed the engine was capable of.....

:devil2::devil2::devil2::devil2::devil2::devil2::d evil2: Until you've ridden one of those (70/80's) old bikes (in as near standard trim as possible) down a tight twisty lane at speed... you aint felt frame/fork flex :cool:

[Maha]

This doesnt affect your concentration?:drool:

On a few occasions.....yes :msn-wink:
I nearly climbed all over a VRT1000 once (oldguy's) and used emergency braking to full effect with Anne on the back. Her hand were on the tank asap and I managed to stop the bike with the front tyre almost between the his rear tyre and RHS pipe, I was on my Sprint at the time. No pillion accessories needed. John later apologised for cutting in front on me and stopping.

[*Boot's*]

A pillion is there for the rider to have something to grab, not the other way round!!!?