Fucking media. "Off-duty cop collides with car"

[HenryDorsetCase]

the fucking car collided with her. fuck the press.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/63551700/Off-duty-cop-collides-with-car

No way are they going to publish my letter to the editor


What an appalling headline. The inference is that the "off duty cop" is somehow at fault because she collided with the car.

A better headline would be "Car driver fails to give way, causing off duty cop to be injured through no fault of her own"

Shame on you for your anti motorcycle bias, and lazy subediting.

[James Deuce]

Don't worry, someone from BRONZ will be along to call you a fuckwit for pointing out that distinction or am I the only proud receiver of BRONZ-bashing?

[James Deuce]

Also: You're a lawyer.

[Winston001]

I'm with you HDC. A tv news report last night on the Ferguson drama in the US referred to the police officer as the "killer". A gratuitously emotive label after he had been absolved by a Grand Jury.

[nerrrd]

"I made sure her airways were clear and she was breathing, not bleeding and mobilised her so we couldn't make the damage any worse," King said.

Good to see they 'mobilised' her, best way to get rid of those serious injuries is to walk them off.

Edit 7:30am: I see they've changed it to 'immobilised' now, I guess the system is working. Go Fairfax!

[Bikemad]

the fucking car collided with her. fuck the press.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/63551700/Off-duty-cop-collides-with-car

No way are they going to publish my letter to the editor

if the car was on the green as reported in the link then yes...........the bike collided with the car...........so henry....are you privey to some other info to the contrary?......or just chasing ambulances.........

[haydes55]

if the car was on the green as reported in the link then yes...........the bike collided with the car...........so henry....are you privey to some other info to the contrary?......or just chasing ambulances.........


I read the article as both vehicles are on Manchester st. The intersection has green lights for both lanes to go straight through and no light on for right turn, as in turn right when it is clear of oncoming traffic. The car driver failed to see the scooter.

The crash was said to be caused by the driver who didn't see the scooter. In fact the quote says she didn't see the scooter, just heard the impact.

[Berries]

I read the article as both vehicles are on Manchester st. The intersection has green lights for both lanes to go straight through and no light on for right turn, as in turn right when it is clear of oncoming traffic. The car driver failed to see the scooter.
Yes, and then the off duty police officer collided with the car that was crossing her path.

Hardly worth getting your knickers in a twist about. If a police officer had not been involved it wouldn't have even been in the paper.

[scumdog]

Yes, and then the off duty police officer collided with the car that was crossing her path.

Hardly worth getting your knickers in a twist about. If a police officer had not been involved it wouldn't have even been in the paper.

Exactly.

The news is not littered with 'off duty plumbers/council workers/ACC workers' etc being involved in minor crashes.

The media are bastards, frequently emotive inacurrate bastards....:(

[unstuck]

Im surprised that anyone still gets upset when the media are shown for what they are, a pack of lying scum suckers. Tis a funny old world.:weird:



Stupid humans.:laugh::laugh:

[willytheekid]

:shit: Oh fuck!...poor lass:(

Sad to the story slanted that way...much more concerned to see another rider fighting for her life, due to ANOTHER! driver saying the usual line "I didn't even see the bike":facepalm:

...its never nice to see this:no:


...thoughts to the rider and her family & friends :love:, hope shes going to be ok



Ride Safe Kbers....there panel damage, could be our life! :bye:

[Berries]

The news is not littered with 'off duty plumbers/council workers/ACC workers' etc being involved in minor crashes.

The media are bastards, frequently emotive inacurrate bastards....:(
If riders feel maligned they should consider the slant put on any incident involving a tourist.

[Paul in NZ]

Oh dear - even worse news..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/63578204/Motorcycle-toll-1-killed-9-injured-on-SI-roads

[bogan]

If riders feel maligned they should consider the slant put on any incident involving a tourist.

No need for racial slurs :innocent:

[scumdog]

If riders feel maligned they should consider the slant put on any incident involving a tourist.

True.

NEVER be a tourist motorcyclist.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Also: You're a lawyer.

Yes, but failing to see the relephance here.

[rastuscat]

http://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/63578204/Motorcycle-toll-1-killed-9-injured-on-SI-roads

One of my homies got knocked off yesterday. Classic SMIDSY.

"It is not yet known whether anyone will face any charges."

Yeah right.

[buggerit]

Oh dear - even worse news..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/63578204/Motorcycle-toll-1-killed-9-injured-on-SI-roads

What a good idea, lets call anyone injured in an accident where a motorcycle is involved"motorcycle related"
I can see the headlines of the next large nose to tail on the Southern Motorway with one motorcycle involved now,
"29 injured in motorcycle related crashes on Southern Motorway":angry:

[buggerit]

Hope she has a speedy recovery, best wishes

[James Deuce]

What a good idea, lets call anyone injured in an accident where a motorcycle is involved"motorcycle related"
I can see the headlines of the next large nose to tail on the Southern Motorway with one motorcycle involved now,
"29 injured in motorcycle related crashes on Southern Motorway":angry:

That's OK someone from BRONZ will be along to tell us that that is true.

You're not a lawyer are you?

[oldrider]

Tis the way of the world and it gives Katman grist for the mill when motorcyclists behave badly and contribute to our poor public image! :rolleyes:

[Banditbandit]

A bad day for riders in the south. Hope your hommie's going to be OK.

[buggerit]

You're not a lawyer are you?

:gob::bash::motu::D

[Ocean1]

That's OK someone from BRONZ will be along to tell us that that is true.

You're not a lawyer are you?

I thought it was already true. In fact I'm pretty sure that's exactly how ACC data is collated.

And what's BRONZ got to do with it? Have they come over all katman?



Disclaimer: Not a lawyer.

[Tazz]

Come on guys it's their job to sensationalize these things. Have a heart :bleh:

Hope the chick on the scoot heals up OK. The dramatised publicity might end up as a good thing as far as getting people to pay more attention on the road, positive outlook and all that.


If riders feel maligned they should consider the slant put on any incident involving a tourist.

I was waiting in the car near an urban boat ramp/roundabout coming out of Chch airport a few weeks ago and campervans coming fresh from being collected were by far the most 'entertaining' drivers :laugh: Plenty of horn and brake action there, almost some break action too, but yes you are right in some cases. Anything for some drama in a story.

[James Deuce]

I thought it was already true. In fact I'm pretty sure that's exactly how ACC data is collated.

And what's BRONZ got to do with it? Have they come over all katman?



Disclaimer: Not a lawyer.

Every time I mutter-grumble-buggerit about journalistic license in regard to reporting RTAs as "Motorcycle collides with (insert inanimate or piloted object here)" related despite that being simple conjecture and pointing out the it implies blame, a BRONZ executive member will tell to wind my head in.

I already knew you were an engineer.

[5ive]

That's a bit of a stretch isn't it?

Stuff.co.nz is more of a glorified blog site with outsourced 'news' articles than actual 'fucking media'. The spelling, punctuation, and grammar of the article is more atrocious than that 23 year old's driving.

Not to mention the click-bait.

[James Deuce]

I almost wonder if Stuff has strolled into the domain of self-satire.

[willytheekid]

Those sort of drivers need to have to pay the same level of registration as us as punishment. At the moment we are subsidising their mistakes. Its not all about rider training as some seem to think.

Completely agree :yes:

...and I would put money on this driver walking away scot free!..."its was just an accident":facepalm:

ITS SUCH BULLSHIT!:angry:

The fact is, the Driver didn't LOOK and ensure the way was clear before crossing the flow of traffic...but Oh well, just panel damage for HER to worry about, and insurance will sort it all out...lala...just continue to drive like a blind arse till next time!..aye<_<(Till they KILL another road user)

It MUST! therefore, be the bike riders fault for not taking EVERY fucking precaution (such as Getting off and pushing her scooter through the intersection!) all to allow for ANOTHER dipshit driver who can't master the art of fucking LOOKING!...and GIVING WAY!!

Im all for defensive riding and training as Katman etc preach(And for good cause!...it DOES save lives)...but to be charged EXTRA rego costs due to slanted stats from these sort of BS accidents?...and THEN, having to repeatedly watch the offending drivers just walk away with panel damage and no charges laid??:facepalm::no:(while the effected rider gets screwed by ACC, loss of income and months of painful recovery)

:angry:...are we just fucking expendable??, not worth the "hassel" of laying charges because its "our own fault for riding"???


WELL FUCK THAT!...the bitch failed to LOOK!, failed to GIVEWAY!...and worst of all...Failed to render assistance to HER victim (She sat in the car and watched)

...again...I fucking BET YOU!...no charges will be laid:no:


Its just Bullshit!


Ride Safe KBers :love:

again...thoughts to the rider, family & friends (Rastuscat will no doubt pass on all our messages of support:niceone:)

[James Deuce]

Say hello and we're thinking of them.

[oldrider]

Same style of reporting here:http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/325152/motorcyclist-dies-tourist-van-collision

[Ocean1]

Every time I mutter-grumble-buggerit about journalistic license in regard to reporting RTAs as "Motorcycle collides with (insert inanimate or piloted object here)" related despite that being simple conjecture and pointing out the it implies blame...

You actually still read teh news?

After how many years of analysis of articles from the perspective of one with personal knowledge of the incident reported?

Why?


I almost wonder if Stuff has strolled into the domain of self-satire.

Ah yes, entertainment.

I worry that many can't tell the difference.

But no doubt many worry that I've got it wrong...

[James Deuce]

You actually still read teh news?



Not really. I go there for the vapid witterings encapsulated by the "Essential Mums" (because Dads are inessential) sub-site so I can marvel at how there is more expectaion of responsible behaviour in owning a goldfish than having a child.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Not really. I go there for the vapid witterings encapsulated by the "Essential Mums" (because Dads are inessential) sub-site so I can marvel at how there is more expectaion of responsible behaviour in owning a goldfish than having a child.

You should watch TRAILER PARK BOYS - in Season 8 Ricky gets a gold fish called "Orangie"

[James Deuce]

Trailer Park Boys is awesome. It's like some sort of Napoleon Dynamite/South Park mash-up and you're never quite sure if it's Ok to laugh or not.

[MIXONE]

All the part time riders going to the Burt must keep you busy Rasta.

[Banditbandit]

Every time I mutter-grumble-buggerit about journalistic license in regard to reporting RTAs as "Motorcycle collides with (insert inanimate or piloted object here)" related despite that being simple conjecture and pointing out the it implies blame, a BRONZ executive member will tell to wind my head in.

I already knew you were an engineer.

In the journalist world the phrase using "collides with" does not apportion blame ... that's why journalists use it - if they use 'hits', or other words which do apportion blame, they are open to libel charges if it is proven that it was someone else's fault ... In this case, if the story said "car hits scooter" then the journalists could be sued for libel - if no charges are laid then the journalists can be sued. If, in the future, it is proven that it was the scooter rider's fault then the journalists can be sued ...

if they use "collides with' they are not apportioning blame .. and can't be open to libel charges ... "collides" does not involve any action other than a collision occurred and does not imply causality, and therefore blame. "Hits" implies causality on the part of the subject ... and therefore blame.

"collides with" only appears to apportion blame because, grammatically speaking, the subject of the sentence is in the active position and the object is in a passive position of the sentence ... but in reality no causality is implied.

[James Deuce]

In the journalist world the phrase using "collides with" does not apportion blame ... that's why journalists use it - if they use 'hits', or other words which do apportion blame, they are open to libel charges if it is proven that it was someone else's fault ... In this case, if the story said "car hits scooter" then the journalists could be sued for libel - if no charges are laid then the journalists can be sued. If, in the future, it is proven that it was the scooter rider's fault then the journalists can be sued ...

if they use "collides with' they are not apportioning blame .. and can't be open to libel charges ... "collides" does not involve any action other than a collision occurred and does not imply causality, and therefore blame. "Hits" implies causality on the part of the subject ... and therefore blame.

"collides with" only appears to apportion blame because, grammatically speaking, the subject of the sentence is in the active position and the object is in a passive position of the sentence ... but in reality no causality is implied.

Utterly wrong when the common usage is to always state that the motorcycle collided with something else. 98% of two or more vehicle accidents involving a motorcycle state that the motorcycle collided with the van, car, bus, cyclist, pedestrian, etc. I sick of pointing that out. I also didn't need the lecture about libel. I was pointing out a completely different issue and I understand the mechanism behind the phrasing to avoid libel issues, however the mechanism has been perverted to consistently paint motorcyclists as implicitly at fault in all collisions they are involved in.

The correct usage in your example is a "Motorcyle and a Car collided". Not "a motorcycle collided with". It is not splitting hairs. It is a clear breach of journalistic principles. For instance my motorcycle did not collide with a sheep. I did. It was still reported as "Motorcycle collides with sheep". The sheep didn't touch the fucking bike. The bike fell over after the rider had been removed from the bike by a sheep that was at least a metre and half in the air.

[Swoop]

"Stuff" is a NEWS site?


I thought it was a 4th level gossip site.
It even makes The Harold look professional.

[Big Dog]

if the car was on the green as reported in the link then yes...........the bike collided with the car...........so henry....are you privey to some other info to the contrary?......or just chasing ambulances.........

It doesn't much matter I they had a green or not. They are still required to confirm the way is clear before proceeding if they were previously stopped for red.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

Assaulting an off duty police officer with a deadly weapon or just failing to give way?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[rastuscat]

The person who did it is just Mrs Average. Most crashes are not caused by gang members, boy racers or hoodie wearers. Most crashes are just caused by a fundamental human error by Mr or Mrs Average.

As in this case.

Trouble is, how do we get Mr and Mrs Average to realize that is us who are the problem?

If Mr and Mrs Average would just increase their awareness, so much fecking pain and suffering would be avoided.

Still, that's a big mountain to climb.

[jasonu]

http://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/63578204/Motorcycle-toll-1-killed-9-injured-on-SI-roads

One of my homies got knocked off yesterday. Classic SMIDSY.

"It is not yet known whether anyone will face any charges."

Yeah right.

Why wouldn't she face charges?

[rastuscat]

Worry not Citizen. The charges are being considered.

BTW stitches and bruising later, she's at home recovering. Thank God.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Utterly wrong when the common usage is to always state that the motorcycle collided with something else. 98% of two or more vehicle accidents involving a motorcycle state that the motorcycle collided with the van, car, bus, cyclist, pedestrian, etc. I sick of pointing that out. I also didn't need the lecture about libel. I was pointing out a completely different issue and I understand the mechanism behind the phrasing to avoid libel issues, however the mechanism has been perverted to consistently paint motorcyclists as implicitly at fault in all collisions they are involved in.

The correct usage in your example is a "Motorcyle and a Car collided". Not "a motorcycle collided with". It is not splitting hairs. It is a clear breach of journalistic principles. For instance my motorcycle did not collide with a sheep. I did. It was still reported as "Motorcycle collides with sheep". The sheep didn't touch the fucking bike. The bike fell over after the rider had been removed from the bike by a sheep that was at least a metre and half in the air.

still, bright side: lamb for din dins?

[jasonu]

I'm with you HDC. A tv news report last night on the Ferguson drama in the US referred to the police officer as the "killer". A gratuitously emotive label after he had been absolved by a Grand Jury.

Pretty much all the USA press are 'poking the racial bear' with this one. You won't see a headline like 'Police officer shoots large menacing black man, who just robbed and bashed a store owner, after he was instructed several times by the officer with a drawn gun to stand down which he failed to do'.

[Gremlin]

BTW stitches and bruising later, she's at home recovering. Thank God.
That's the most important thing... bikes/scooters can be replaced.

[Banditbandit]

Utterly wrong when the common usage is to always state that the motorcycle collided with something else. 98% of two or more vehicle accidents involving a motorcycle state that the motorcycle collided with the van, car, bus, cyclist, pedestrian, etc. I sick of pointing that out. I also didn't need the lecture about libel. I was pointing out a completely different issue and I understand the mechanism behind the phrasing to avoid libel issues, however the mechanism has been perverted to consistently paint motorcyclists as implicitly at fault in all collisions they are involved in.

The correct usage in your example is a "Motorcyle and a Car collided". Not "a motorcycle collided with". It is not splitting hairs. It is a clear breach of journalistic principles. For instance my motorcycle did not collide with a sheep. I did. It was still reported as "Motorcycle collides with sheep". The sheep didn't touch the fucking bike. The bike fell over after the rider had been removed from the bike by a sheep that was at least a metre and half in the air.

Yeah - I get what you are saying ... and yes it should be "motorcycle and car collide .." And yes, I get that it highights the motorcycle - in the active position ...

The sheep was a metre and a half in the air ?? That sounds like a good story ...

[willytheekid]

Worry not Citizen. The charges are being considered.

BTW stitches and bruising later, she's at home recovering. Thank God.

Great to hear mate :niceone:

..certainly hope that charges will be laid Rastuscat...failing to giveway causing injury is not a "minor incident" when a bike or scooter etc is involved...and failing to render assistance is also bloody low! (regardless of shock...you get the fuck out of your car and "try" to help...not sit there watch and make a phone call to say "sorry im gonna be late")

Please send her all our best wishes :love:

[TheDemonLord]

The person who did it is just Mrs Average. Most crashes are not caused by gang members, boy racers or hoodie wearers. Most crashes are just caused by a fundamental human error by Mr or Mrs Average.

As in this case.

Trouble is, how do we get Mr and Mrs Average to realize that is us who are the problem?

If Mr and Mrs Average would just increase their awareness, so much fecking pain and suffering would be avoided.

Still, that's a big mountain to climb.

I had an interesting discussion with someone - they were a new mother and admitted that they had driven numerous times when they were completely tired (due to baby related sleep deprivation) - yet when I pointed out that driving tired is just as bad as driving drunk - they justified their decision to drive by saying they had to drive somewhere, yet when asked if they would ever drive drunk with their child in the car - they were shocked.

The reason I mention this is it seems to show the indifference that someone people have about the potential consequences of driving, driving in states where they shouldn't drive and doing things while attempting to drive that they can't do.

I often wonder what the public reaction would be if (as a social experiment) one was to claim that a company had produced a system for motorcyclists that would detect when a car had made an illegal move that would cause an accident and deploy an explosive device to remove the hazard from the motorcyclists path, at the expense of the Driver who made the illegal move. I suspect the public outrage would be wide and highly vocal.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yeah - I get what you are saying ... and yes it should be "motorcycle and car collide .." And yes, I get that it highights the motorcycle - in the active position ...

The sheep was a metre and a half in the air ?? That sounds like a good story ...

they're scared of heights and tend to buck out of the gumboots. Hilarity ensues. You're OK as long as your velcro gloves keep gripping.

[Murray]

if the car was on the green as reported in the link then yes...........the bike collided with the car...........so henry....are you privey to some other info to the contrary?......or just chasing ambulances.........

I read it as confusing and the bike was going straight through and the car was doing a right hand turn across the lane the bike was in thereby colliding with the bike. Rastu seems to think the cars fault but???

[Edbear]

Exactly.

The news is not littered with 'off duty plumbers/council workers/ACC workers' etc being involved in minor crashes.

The media are bastards, frequently emotive inacurrate bastards....:(


Im surprised that anyone still gets upset when the media are shown for what they are, a pack of lying scum suckers. Tis a funny old world.:weird:



Stupid humans.:laugh::laugh:

Truth and facts along with impartiality were long ago sacrificed on the alter of ratings.

[mada]

Truth and facts along with impartiality were long ago sacrificed on the alter of ratings.

Yep, the worst headline that I have read was around the Ashburton shooting. That was disgraceful.

Our media are just interested in click bait rather than reporting actually news.

[R650R]

Where the hell in the original story is any blame apportioned???
You should be thankful they didn't publish your letter.

Newspaper headlines are always an abomination of the English language, their purpose is to grab attention not to accurately portray the whole story.
Eg if a headline says American forces attack Iraq it doesn't mean they just commited an international war crime (although some might say they did). In the space for those four words you cant convey all the previous political manoevering to get to that point.
Yes they do get it wrong in headlines sometimes but theres nothing to argue in the original one.
I would have thought with the peculiarities of legalese you'd at least have a full understanding of English grammar as a base.

[mashman]

Mum never told me that cluedo could be so much fun.

[Banditbandit]

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/069/6/7/cluedo_abbey_by_charleegirl-d4sd9s3.jpg

[rastuscat]

Completely agree :yes:

...and I would put money on this driver walking away scot free!..."its was just an accident":facepalm:

ITS SUCH BULLSHIT!:angry:

The fact is, the Driver didn't LOOK and ensure the way was clear before crossing the flow of traffic...but Oh well, just panel damage for HER to worry about, and insurance will sort it all out...lala...just continue to drive like a blind arse till next time!..aye<_<(Till they KILL another road user)

It MUST! therefore, be the bike riders fault for not taking EVERY fucking precaution (such as Getting off and pushing her scooter through the intersection!) all to allow for ANOTHER dipshit driver who can't master the art of fucking LOOKING!...and GIVING WAY!!

Im all for defensive riding and training as Katman etc preach(And for good cause!...it DOES save lives)...but to be charged EXTRA rego costs due to slanted stats from these sort of BS accidents?...and THEN, having to repeatedly watch the offending drivers just walk away with panel damage and no charges laid??:facepalm::no:(while the effected rider gets screwed by ACC, loss of income and months of painful recovery)

:angry:...are we just fucking expendable??, not worth the "hassel" of laying charges because its "our own fault for riding"???


WELL FUCK THAT!...the bitch failed to LOOK!, failed to GIVEWAY!...and worst of all...Failed to render assistance to HER victim (She sat in the car and watched)

...again...I fucking BET YOU!...no charges will be laid:no:


Its just Bullshit!


Ride Safe KBers :love:

again...thoughts to the rider, family & friends (Rastuscat will no doubt pass on all our messages of support:niceone:)

Right you are.

Your rants are sure getting colourful Wheelie :corn:

[scumdog]

Pretty much all the USA press are 'poking the racial bear' with this one. You won't see a headline like 'Police officer shoots large menacing black man, who just robbed and bashed a store owner, after he was instructed several times by the officer with a drawn gun to stand down which he failed to do'.


And why, oh why do 'they' keep posting the pic of the dead guy where he looks like Arnold out of the Diffr'nt Strokes series, all angelic-like and about ten+ years younger than he really was at the time of his demise?
:rolleyes:

[haydes55]

Trouble is, how do we get Mr and Mrs Average to realize that is us who are the problem?





.


Reduce the speed limit!

How about ticketing people for activities which cause crashes. Treat people who indicate wrong worse than a speeding vehicle. I drive for my job, at least 5 times a day I have to give way to casper or pull out in front of cars which decide to turn into my path.

[Laava]

And why, oh why do 'they' keep posting the pic of the dead guy where he looks like Arnold out of the Diffr'nt Strokes series, all angelic-like and about ten+ years younger than he really was at the time of his demise?
:rolleyes:
Whachoo talkin bout Pollis?

see what I did there?

[unstuck]

Whachoo talkin bout Pollis?

see what I did there?

:laugh::laugh::laugh::clap:

[R650R]

Reduce the speed limit!

How about ticketing people for activities which cause crashes. Treat people who indicate wrong worse than a speeding vehicle. I drive for my job, at least 5 times a day I have to give way to casper or pull out in front of cars which decide to turn into my path.

I only know of one crash where someone indicating wrong caused a crash. And even then the other driver should have realised he was going to fast (80K) to execute a left turn.
The fake left turner was tyre guy in small truck and a b-train pulled out in front of him. Ops manger and a dispatcher were with the driver in b-train and they couldn't believe he pulled out either.
Yet technically he was in the right and got off scot free...
We all complain about these poor indicators and tailgaters, yet we're still around to talk about it, what does that tell you???

[Ocean1]

That's the most important thing... bikes/scooters can be replaced.

Yeah, but if she was going to throw a scooter under a car she could have at least used the work one...

[unstuck]

yet we're still around to talk about it, what does that tell you???

That you are hard to shut up.:innocent:

[Big Dog]

We all complain about these poor indicators and tailgaters, yet we're still around to talk about it, what does that tell you???
That we are an observant lot who go to great lengths to ensure our safety... and have had decent LUCK.

It is foolhardy to accept lack of success as proof of concept.
Just because they have not killed you yet does not meant they won't given half a chance.


I can think of a few people who's lives would have been longer had someone indicated.
Or in my case better had someone indicated, or the person behind me not been tailgating. Brain damage, epilepsy, depression, dyslexia, rage all become everyday words very quickly when to minor fuckups conspire to change every thing you thought you knew in a heartbeat.

[anebv8]

And two people were flown to Christchurch Hospital after their motorcycle collided with a truck, near Southbridge, about 2.15pm.

The male motorbike rider suffered critical injuries while his female pillion passenger suffered minor injuries.

The truck driver was uninjured.

Sergeant Chris Jones said the motorbike carrying two people attempted to overtake the truck within roadworks on Main Rakaia Rd.....

1 less 2013 HD off the road. A mates parents were on the bike,mum ok,dad had broken leg in 2 places,broken ribs and shoulder,and massive grazing on face,(open face helmet). Truck driver went over to them,yelled at them for going too fast,then went and sat in his truck.

[Kickaha]

Trouble is, how do we get Mr and Mrs Average to realize that is us who are the problem?
Who you calling average donut muncher? I ride a motorcycle that makes me a supreme being and far superior to every other road user


1 less 2013 HD off the road. A mates parents were on the bike,mum ok,dad had broken leg in 2 places,broken ribs and shoulder,and massive grazing on face,(open face helmet). Truck driver went over to them,yelled at them for going too fast,then went and sat in his truck.
Tried to pass a truck through roadworks? he should have fucking kicked them as well

Also: You're a lawyer.

''The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers,''
''Henry VI,'' Part II, act IV, Scene II, Line 73.

[R650R]

That you are hard to shut up.:innocent:

;p :)

Well it's just that when you've been in a few majors and shot loads of real near misses (purely a function of big km's eventually your in the wrong place at wrong time) you get tired of people whining about little shit that doesn't really kill and maim on large scale.

[R650R]

1 less 2013 HD off the road. A mates parents were on the bike,mum ok,dad had broken leg in 2 places,broken ribs and shoulder,and massive grazing on face,(open face helmet). Truck driver went over to them,yelled at them for going too fast,then went and sat in his truck and called them an ambulance

Fixed that for you.

[FJRider]

I'm with you HDC. A tv news report last night on the Ferguson drama in the US referred to the police officer as the "killer". A gratuitously emotive label after he had been absolved by a Grand Jury.

But he DID shoot somebody ... DEAD. Killers do kill people. Absolved from blame will not change the fact he killed somebody.

[scumdog]

But he DID shoot somebody ... DEAD. Killers do kill people. Absolved from blame will not change the fact he killed somebody.

It was a suicide...:msn-wink:

[FJRider]

It was a suicide...:msn-wink:

I'm guessing ... Suicide by Cop ... worked for him.

[jasonu]

And why, oh why do 'they' keep posting the pic of the dead guy where he looks like Arnold out of the Diffr'nt Strokes series, all angelic-like and about ten+ years younger than he really was at the time of his demise?
:rolleyes:

That too is bullshit. Same thing when George Zimmerman shot Treyvon Martin. They had 4 year old pictures of him in school uniform instead of up to date pictures from his FB account in wannabe gang clobber.306037

[rastuscat]

I only know of one crash where someone indicating wrong caused a crash.

And that's the problem.

We attend crashes most weeks where someone has failed to cancel their left indicator. It causes people to pull out in front of them. And yet it's the people who pull out who are at fault legally.

It's an offence to not indicate when turning, but not to indicate when you aren't. Bizarre.

[scumdog]

And that's the problem.

We attend crashes most weeks where someone has failed to cancel their left indicator. It causes people to pull out in front of them. And yet it's the people who pull out who are at fault legally.

It's an offence to not indicate when turning, but not to indicate when you aren't. Bizarre.

Yep, we've all seem bikers merrily cruising along oblivious to the left hand blinkers on for mile after mile.

Thankfully my ancient Harley has a self cancelling inamacator system.:niceone:

But most of the time I cancel them manually as I just don't trust them!

[roogazza]

You should watch TRAILER PARK BOYS - in Season 8 Ricky gets a gold fish called "Orangie"

Most importantly what channel can I see, "trailer park boys" ???
Haven't seen it cruising the Electronic programme guide ?

[R650R]

And that's the problem.

We attend crashes most weeks where someone has failed to cancel their left indicator. It causes people to pull out in front of them. And yet it's the people who pull out who are at fault legally.

It's an offence to not indicate when turning, but not to indicate when you aren't. Bizarre.

Yes I expect you do get a bit in the big city, but a competent driver should realise where the stuck indicator driver is going.
The case I mentioned the driver got off scot free and he had an accident record you wouldn't believe... no shit the local cops had him on speed dial. His best one was doing 130km/h in a b-train full of booze on the motorway because a taxi was level pegging him in the fast lane and he wanted to exit!!!

You could charge the failing to cancel with careless driving as they are obviously not fully aware of their actions?

Still as a contributing factor I feel it is small compared to fatigue and failing to pay attention.

[Ocean1]

And that's the problem.

We attend crashes most weeks where someone has failed to cancel their left indicator. It causes people to pull out in front of them. And yet it's the people who pull out who are at fault legally.

It's an offence to not indicate when turning, but not to indicate when you aren't. Bizarre.

I didn't like the changes to how and when to indicating at roundabouts for exactly that reason. There's a couple of roundabouts on my daily commute that have not enough deviation to cancel my indicators, and most days I see indicators on long enough to make it appear the vehicle in question intends to turn at the following intersection.

It was a bloody silly idea.

[avgas]

Meh. It's a scooter.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Most importantly what channel can I see, "trailer park boys" ???
Haven't seen it cruising the Electronic programme guide ?

Season 8 is Netflix so if you have access to that you can watch it there.

Or ask your Uncle Torrance for a copy. Thats where I got mine.

[pritch]

the fucking car collided with her. fuck the press.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/63551700/Off-duty-cop-collides-with-car

No way are they going to publish my letter to the editor

If you are taking the paper to task should that "inference" not read implication? Not that it's important, it's just one of my pet language things. :innocent:

[pritch]

Trouble is, how do we get Mr and Mrs Average to realize that is us who are the problem?



Especially when TPTB are running a ridiculous ad campaign that tells them that other people make mistakes?

[*Boot's*]

I'm changing my post.... cops chased me again today.... there must be one amongst us. :(

[buggerit]

About time someone experimented on a cop... sick of them experimenting on us. I guess she won't be opening her legs for kermit anytime soon...

I see they have let you out again:weird:, but you really should stay on your meds:doctor:

[scumdog]

I see they have let you out again:weird:, but you really should stay on your meds:doctor:

Pffft! There ain't no meds strong enough!:rolleyes:

[Swoop]

TPTB are running a ridiculous ad campaign that tells them that other people make mistakes?
Yup.
That is why a "ZERO tolerance" campaign has been instituted by The Swoop.
Zero tolerance for red and blue flashing lights.
Plod always make mistakes, so Don't Stop.

Tag: 0 tolerance for red and blues!

[*Boot's*]

I see they have let you out again:weird:, but you really should stay on your meds:doctor:


When are you going to show me how talented you are with a ride or two?

[*Boot's*]

Yes I expect you do get a bit in the big city, but a competent driver should realise where the stuck indicator driver is going.
The case I mentioned the driver got off scot free and he had an accident record you wouldn't believe... no shit the local cops had him on speed dial. His best one was doing 130km/h in a b-train full of booze on the motorway because a taxi was level pegging him in the fast lane and he wanted to exit!!!

You could charge the failing to cancel with careless driving as they are obviously not fully aware of their actions?

Still as a contributing factor I feel it is small compared to fatigue and failing to pay attention.

get rid of all indicators.... eventually people will start to slow down and look before continue instead of indicating then blind siding everyone because apparently its the indicators god given right..... put sand in the paint so its not slippery and give everyone involved in a motorbike accident, compulsory motorbike licensing or face jail time. and six months log book of completion of learners riders licence.

[Laava]

get rid of all indicators....give everyone involved in a motorbike accident, compulsory motorbike licensing or face jail time..

I agree with you re the indicators but the rest? WTF? Think you should be drugs tested before posting on here or jail time!


http://youtu.be/lwHfibl1AoI

[*Boot's*]

Maybe no jail time... I do think compulsory bike licence and 6 month road time log book for riding if you collide with a motor cyclist and are proven to be in the wrong.